Hi All, Could anyone please tell me where I could see a map of Brockloch, Kirkcudbright. My BARR and CLAVE/CLEAVE lines are from there. Thanks a lot. Shelley

Hi Just joined your list I am looking at the above names. James RUDDICK born 1840 Cumberland married Margaret McNAUGHT born 1842 Kirkcudbright. George RUDDICK born 1849 Cumberland married Annie McNAUGHT born 1849 Kirkcudbright Elizabeth McNAUGHT born 1835 in 1881 living 46 Brewery St Dumfries Mary McNAUGHT born Kirkcudbright 1836 - 1892 William McNAUGHT born Scotland 1844 - 1908 Carol Bringing YOUR ancestors to YOU, free of charge. Come and join us. Lancashire Central FreeCEN Co Ordinator http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.262 / Virus Database: 132 - Release Date: 12/06/01

Hi Everyone, This is my first letter to the list as I just joined 2 minutes ago. I'm newly researching the CLAVE line in Minnigaff, Kirkcudbright and also in Elrig Village, Mochrum. My BARR line I think, is from Brockloch, Kirkcudbright. I'd love to hear from anyone doing these names no matter where they are. I can then send more information if anyone is interested. Also, would anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 census for Kirkcudbright? I'd love to find out if any BARR or CLAVE were listed. Thanks a lot, Shelley

Found this on the GIRTHON OPRs 1832: Jan 14th Samuel IRVING son of late James IRVING Esq. Surgeon. Gatehouse formerly of Jamaica 15yrs. "Poisoned"

I was wondering if anyone has access to the 1851/1861/1871 census for Dalbeattie Kirkcudbrightshire? I have Robert NEWALL son of Charles Newall and Jane Thomson who married Isabella Wilson in 1864. They have children Margaret, Janet and Jane b. in 1865, 1869 and October 1871, and then emigrate to the US. I am trying to find out more about the NEWALL family, so would appreciate it if anyone has access to the 1851/61 or 71 census to find out , in the 51 and 61 census who else was in the Newall famly, and in the 1871 census where Isabella and Robert were living. Can anyone help? Barbara

I came across a few more photos that my sister took in Dalbeattie last summer of some tombstones and I thought I would share them with the list to see if anyone can make a connection to their family line. Nos 21-29 21. In loving memory or William John Kirk Died 26th April 2000 Aged 92 years Beloved Husband of the late Isobel 22. In loving memory of Helen Reid Beloved wife of William R. Clark Who died 14th April 1981 Aged 88 years Also the above William R. Clark Who died 3rd September 1986 Aged 85 years 23. In loving memory of James W. Kerr Died 23rd September 1983 Aged 48 years Dearly loved husband of Doreen Rodgers Also their dear friend Norman Milligan Died 27th September 1983 Aged 56 years On same photo In loving memory of Helen Hyslop Who died 27th february 1987 Dearly loved wife of Andrew Carruthers Who died May 1983 Aged 78 years. In loving memory of Peter Clark Smith Who died 12th April 1987 Aged 82 years Dearly loved husband of Winnifred Hodd? Who died 10th April 1994 24. In loving memory of Winnifred Mary Clark Dearly beloved wife of Albert Taylor McCulloch Died 13th September 1983 Aged 72 years Also the above Albert Taylor McCulloch Died 9th July 1995 Aged 87 years. 25. In loving memory of John J. Clark Died 30th Oct 1976 Aged 54 years Beloved husband of Mary Johnston Died result of an Accident 22nd May 1987 Aged 64 years. 26. In loving memory of Jane Carruthers Who died 21st July 1977 Aged 77 years Beloved wife of Thomas Carruthers Who died 14th September 1977 Aged 77 years. 27. In loving memory of James Clark, M.B. CH., Much loved husband of Ruth H. Orpin Who died at Lochiel Bank 13th May 1962, Aged 59 years Also the above Ruth Helen Orpin Dearly loved mother of James and Doris Died 28th May 1373 ( I think this should say 1983 but on photo of tombstone it says 1373) Aged 82 years. 28. In loving memory of Isabella Smith nee Solley Who died 14th January 1997 Aged 76 years Dearly loved wife of Cyril L. Smith. Same photo In loving memory of Donald McArthur Kerr A dear dad and papa Who died 3rd Nov. 1996 Aged 66 years Dearly loved husband of Margaret Baty. 29. In memory of Elizabeth bell, Who died at Buittle Bridge-End, 6th Jan. 1863. Aged 83 years. Also William Brown who died at NO. 50 Maxwell Street, Dalbeattie. 16th Jan. 1884. Aged 70 years. Mary Bell, his wife who died at Dalbeattie 27th Dec. 1898. Aged 86 years.

These could be of interest to a list member, listed is his occupation. GIRTHON OPR: Page 10. Film 1067974. (ordered from LDS) "Register of the Marriages which have taken place in the Parish since Mr Jeffrey's settlement" James RAE, Mariner Kirkcudbright and Janet HERON in Woodfoot were married 17th November 1818. Robert MYERS, Weaver and Janet SCOTT both in Gatehouse 24th November 1818. Charles DOWLING, Weaver and Janet SELKIRK both in Gatehouse 4th December 1818. James HENDERSON, Shoemaker Dumfries and Margaret PORTER Cally 18th December 1818. William SKENE, Labourer and Mary TAGGART in Gatehouse 18 December 1818. (researching this family) Alexander McEWEN, Ship Carpenter in Kirkcudbright and Margaret THOMSON in Gatehouse 22 January 1819. Margaret

I have details of these Deaths if anyone needs them: ROBB Thomas son of Andrew ROBB & Agnes SHANNAN Castle Douglas. CROSBIE Elizabeth dau of William THOMSON & Marion GILLESPIE Rhonehouse. BROWN William son of William BROWN & Marion GILLSON Anwoth. McDONALD Janet dau of Robert McDONALD & Marion MILLIGAN Anwoth. Margaret

Jim wrote:- Robert McKill,b. 1840, Dalry, Kirk. Trying to find info on, full date of birth & who his parents were, any info appreciated. Jim I didn't find a Robert, I did find these. OPR DALRY 865/3: Film 1067974. William McKILL & Agnes HUTCHISON his spouse had twins born 9th July 1832 named Alexander & Mary. William McKILL & Agnes HUTCHISON his spouse had a son born 8th July 1834 called William. OPR DALRY 865/3 William McCARTHY & Elizabeth McKILL had a illegitimate daughter born on 22nd Jan 1844 and Baptised 7th April 1844 named Janet Paterson. Witnesses, Peter Muir & James Paterson. OPR DALRY 865/3 Robert MURDOCH & Margaret McKILL at St James Clauchan Dalry a lawful daughter born 12 May 1837 and Baptized 10 July 1837. MURDOCH Robert & Margaret McKILL at St James Clauchan Dalry a lawful daughter born 22nd may 1841 Baptised 27th April 1841 named Mary Witnesses C. Black & Mary McDonald.

Hi, Those of you who have ancestors associated with the world of entertainment may be interested in my extraction project. The Scotland Region - Lowlands extracts of the 'Entertainers on the 1881 Census' are now on my Web site. The URL for anyone interested is - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie Regards, Dave Jassie - List Administrator for - THEATRE-UK-L NIR-ARMAGH-L JASSIE-L [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jassie/ - THEATRE-UK Web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm/ - ARMAGH Web site Greetings from Lincoln, England

Hi Listers Can anyone help me please: have traced an ancester back to: Robert McKill,b. 1840, Dalry, Kirk. Trying to find info on, full date of birth & who his parents were, any info appreciated T.I.A. jim graham ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

: > I haven't posted my interests for a while , so thought I would try to > stir up some more interest!!!! > > My Wilsons are: > > Duke Wilson occ. carrier m. Agnes Aiken bpt. 29.02.1756 Barscraigh > circa 1776 in Colvend KKD > 1: Robert Wilson b. circa 1777 d. 09.03.1856 m circa 1812 Magaret > Tait b. circa 1777 d. 06.06.1858 > 1:Robert Wilson b. circa 1813 Southwick d. 16.06.1887 > Dalbeattie m. 25.02.1842 Janet Crosbie b. 1817, d. 26.01.1868 > 2: Alexander Wilson b. 26.04.1815. Bogfoot > 3: Elizabeth Wilson b. circa 1814 age, 28 unmarried in > 1841 census Boghead, and age 37, unmarried at Whidswalls in 1851 > > Children of Robert Wilson and Janet Crosbie > 1: Isabella Wilson b. circa 1844 m. Robert Newall 1864, > emigrated to US circa 1871 > 2: James Wilson b. circa 1846 m. 1863 Mary Edgar > 3: Robert Wilson b. circa 1853 m. Margaret Gracie > 4: David Crosbie Wilson b. 20.0.1855 d. 27.10.1932 m. > 31.12.1889 Clara Branson > 5: William Wilson b. 24.04.1857 m. 07.12.1894 Jane Nicolson > Barclay > > Any information on any of the above would be most > welcome..........There must be more information out there on Alexander > Wilson and Elizabeth somewhere! Plus....for all those who know me, and > those who don't........I would almost kill for a crumb of information > on "Duke", whether that is his real name or a nickname I don't know, > but I feel he and Agnes Aitken are likely to have had other children > as well as my Robert, so if anyone has any Wilsons b. to an Agnes > Aitken and a Wilson.....please let me know! > > Thanks > > Barbara

My Great Grandfather, Lewis Martin was born in Pleasants, Kirkmichael in 1810 - married in Durham - Helen Gibson Begg - born Dumfries 1813. Lewis's parents were William Martin and Mary Herneman Lewis was a blacksmith at Preston Mill. He and his family migrated to Australia in 1867, leaving behind in Kirkbean their two eldest daughters .- Mary Ann Martin who married John Briggs, son of Archibald Briggs and Elizabeth Campbell at Kirkbean. There were five children from this marriage .Elizabeth 1859 William 1860 Margaret 1863 Mary 1867. Eliza Martin married David Anderson.,son of Robert Anderson and Isabella Dobie. They had six children Lewsi 1866 Janet1868 Eliza 1870 Sarah 1871 Helen 1872 Annie 1873. I would be interested in finding out about Scottish descendants of these as I am compiling a family history. Vera (Martin) Horan. Melbourne, Australia.

Margaret Nixon wrote: > Having searched the Latter Day Saints (LDS) Scottish Births & Marriage > records on Computer Index & IGI for my SKENE family from Kirkcudbright. > I know there are gaps in the Parish records, I knew of 2 children born > in the same parish around the same year, only 1 appeared in the LDS > records and the same thing years later. The OPR Index has many gaps, especially for the southern parts of Scotland it seems. > I decided to order in the 'Old > Parish Records'(OPR) on Film from my local LDS history centre. > What I found were the births listed on the OPR, and not on computer > Index & IGI. The conclusion I came too, after doing some extra double > checking was, a Natural or illegitimate childs Birth & Baptism was > registered/recorded in the Parish, but!!! not recorded by LDS. Nice theory. BUT! the IGI has thousands of illicit. births shown. The usual clue, is that MOTHER name alone is given, no father. Example in Kirkcudbright IGI: SLOAN Isabella born 1 January 1863, Father/Mother named as JANET SLOAN. Cheers......... ALISTAIR (Alec) CAMERON

Hello Having searched the Latter Day Saints (LDS) Scottish Births & Marriage records on Computer Index & IGI for my SKENE family from Kirkcudbright. I know there are gaps in the Parish records, I knew of 2 children born in the same parish around the same year, only 1 appeared in the LDS records and the same thing years later. I decided to order in the 'Old Parish Records'(OPR) on Film from my local LDS history centre. What I found were the births listed on the OPR, and not on computer Index & IGI. The conclusion I came too, after doing some extra double checking was, a Natural or illegitimate childs Birth & Baptism was registered/recorded in the Parish, but!!! not recorded by LDS. I found the 2 missing links, 1.'Natural Child of'..... 1.'illegitimate child of'....... Has any one else experienced this??? Marg Australia.

Hello Marg, I have noticed that some entries in the Parish books have been missed by the persons who did the extractions but not because they were "natural born" or "legally born" in marriage. I have done a lot of research of Scottish records as my Dempster family came to America in 1841. The Dempster's were in Kirkcudbrightshire very early and went to Straiton in Ayrshire after that and finally to Dalrymple in Ayrshire. I have Templeton's, Muir's and others. I have found records that were not in the index but were in the Parish books of both natural & legally born children. Marjorie in USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Nixon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: June 06, 2001 6:22 PM Subject: On the OPR not recorded by LDS > Hello > Having searched the Latter Day Saints (LDS) Scottish Births & Marriage > records on Computer Index & IGI for my SKENE family from Kirkcudbright. > I know there are gaps in the Parish records, I knew of 2 children born > in the same parish around the same year, only 1 appeared in the LDS > records and the same thing years later. I decided to order in the 'Old > Parish Records'(OPR) on Film from my local LDS history centre. > What I found were the births listed on the OPR, and not on computer > Index & IGI. The conclusion I came too, after doing some extra double > checking was, a Natural or illegitimate childs Birth & Baptism was > registered/recorded in the Parish, but!!! not recorded by LDS. > I found the 2 missing links, 1.'Natural Child of'..... 1.'illegitimate > child of'....... > Has any one else experienced this??? > > Marg > > Australia. > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hi, would any one know where some would be buried if they died in Creetown, Kirkmabreck. My GGG Grandfather ROBERT SPENCE died at Duke Street Creetown on the 12 February 1863. Any help gratefully received From a fairly new researcher Maggie in Australia

Does anyone have a Samuel MCGOWAN, born 1846-1847 in Kelton??? Thanks, Mamie Rudd

Looking for the birthplace and parents of Thomas PAYNE who was born July 11, 1827 in Kirkcudbrightshire. He was a printer by trade, married Sarah Ovens from the Isle of Man, worked in Liverpool, and eventually immigrated to Canada and USA in about 1858. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you, Ken

Hi Jim There are 2 (at least) Dalrrs, one in Ayrshire and one in Kirkudbrightshire. It is also known as St John's Town of Dalry, which explains why your search may not have found it. You can see a map at (remember to put the URL all on 1 line if copying it) http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=262140&Y=581288&A=Y&Z=3 Regards Sheena ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Graham <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Robert McKill > Hi Listers > can anyone help me????? > looking for details of Robert McKill,b 1840, Dalry, > Kirkcudbrightshire. Have come to a dead end on > finding roberts complete birthdate and of his parents, > |I live in Engand and dont have access to GRO, the > only Dalry I can find is shown on maps as N> Ayrshire > Any info would be appreciated > T.I.A. > JIM GRAHAM > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com