Thought I'd send this to the KKB list as well, as the book mentioned further below on the Black Douglases may interest people here too, considering Threave is in the area. Paul For those interested in pursuing this further, Scottish publisher Tuckwell Press (http://www.tuckwelpress.co.uk) has a book called "Scotland and the Low Countries, 1124- 1994", edited by Grant G. Simpson, ISBN 1 898410 75 5, 240 pages, illustrated, hardback £25. I haven't bought it yet, but I intend to, as the Flemish connection seems to have some bearing on my ancestors, as I believe is the case for many Scottish families (Fleming is a case in point). Apart from the Flemish first name Vedast turning up in the 15th century in my Grierson line, one of my sidelines (Philip Morison, minister in Dunscore and Balmaghie in the late 18th century)leads to Irons in the St Andrews area who apparently traced themselves back to Le Fer, i.e. iron. Speaking of Tuckwell Press ("... seriously Scottish"), they have a book called "The Black Douglases: War and Lordship in Late Medieval Scotland, 1300-1455" by Michael Brown. This one is also available in a more affordable paperback version for £16.99 (ISBN 1-86232-025-X, 256 pages). This is about the Earls of Douglas, who ruled Galloway from Threave Castle near what is now Castle Douglas, and should be of particular interest to anyone wanting to know more about the historical background of Dumfries & Galloway. It is relatively recent, 1998. I had a chance to look through it in the Ewart Library last year, and having now tracked down the publisher have put it on my Christmas list. It is also available on amazon.co.uk, as is the hardback for £30. Hope this is useful to someone. Best regards Paul (in Germany, where the sun is finally shining again after a month of cold!) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >From cell phone batteries to the E-Bike, Lee Iacocca (Ford Mustang, Caravan) has started a new solar energy revolution. Check it out at Big Planet and get your batteries or E-Bike online: http://tcc.mybigplanetusa.com. Or if you're getting solar energy directly by exposing yourself to the sun, get your skin protection online at: http://tcc.mynuskinusa.com and your antioxidants at http://tcc.mypharmanexusa.com! ***Look better Feel better Live better *** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: "kenneth.tomory" <[email protected]> An: <[email protected]> Gesendet: 28 September 2001 01:42 Betreff: Re: [D-G LIST] the name "Hans" Regarding the trading connection between Scotland and Holland, this lasted in substantial terms over at least 5 centuries. The position of Scotland was as main opponent to English power and was also mirrored by similar defensive alliances with France. Scots students frequently studied in Continental universities and trade was developed on the back of these friendly links. The European Community is not so very new as a concept. Best regards, ken tomory ==== DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Mailing List ==== @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ To reach every member of the list : Send Email to ....... [email protected]

Hi Sybil He was still alive in 1881. Cheers Tudie Dwelling: St John St Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 6 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David CAMERON W 80 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retired Blacksmith Elisabeth CAMERON U 50 F Creetown, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Formerly Domestic Servant Agnes CAMERON U 47 F Creetown, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Peter B. CAMERON U 26 M Creetown, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Garden Labourer Mary Agnes CAMERON 8 F Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Grand Daur Occ: Scholar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: David Cameron of Creetown - Census > Hello listers, > > The 1851 Census shows David Cameron aged 50 years living at 6 Silver Street, Creetown (District 10; household No.96) with his wife Mary (Brown) aged 45, and several of their children. > > David Cameron was born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in about 1801. I would like to find out the names of his parents. Perhaps they are on his death registration - not that I know when he died! > > Would some kind person look at the 1861 Census to see if he was still alive then? > > His wife Mary died in Creetown on 24 May 1871. > > I'd also like to know when they were married. The first child of whom I'm aware, is John Cameron born about 1826, probably in Kirkmabreck. > > Best wishes > > Sybil Cameron > in Sydney >

Hello listers, The 1851 Census shows David Cameron aged 50 years living at 6 Silver Street, Creetown (District 10; household No.96) with his wife Mary (Brown) aged 45, and several of their children. David Cameron was born in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in about 1801. I would like to find out the names of his parents. Perhaps they are on his death registration - not that I know when he died! Would some kind person look at the 1861 Census to see if he was still alive then? His wife Mary died in Creetown on 24 May 1871. I'd also like to know when they were married. The first child of whom I'm aware, is John Cameron born about 1826, probably in Kirkmabreck. Best wishes Sybil Cameron in Sydney

Hello Vivienne, I'm searching for HALLIDAYs in the Galloway area. I cannot be precise at the moment, but I am trying to trace a Robert HALLIDAY who was born about 1812 and subsequently moved to England. His wife was called Isabella and I am hopefully about to find out her maiden name. When I have this then I will try to locate them in early 19thC Scotland. There might be a link with Lillias, but I don't really know at the moment. Best regards, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "V. Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:11 AM Subject: AITKEN AND HALLIDAY > Hello group, > > I'm new to the Kirkcudbrightshire group. The names that I am researching in > this area are AITKEN and HALLIDAY. Jeannie Aitken of Whitestanes, born > 1765 was my ggggrandmother and she was married to John Grierson. I also > have ggrandmother, Lillias HALLIDAY of Troqueer who was born in 1842. She > was married to Joseph Grierson. Is there anyone researching these same names? > > Cheers! > > Vivienne > Port Alberni B.C. >

Hello group, I'm new to the Kirkcudbrightshire group. The names that I am researching in this area are AITKEN and HALLIDAY. Jeannie Aitken of Whitestanes, born 1765 was my ggggrandmother and she was married to John Grierson. I also have ggrandmother, Lillias HALLIDAY of Troqueer who was born in 1842. She was married to Joseph Grierson. Is there anyone researching these same names? Cheers! Vivienne Port Alberni B.C.

Joy! You are correct: AEX was a typing error on my part. It should be ALEX. This Lair Tongland No 5 KKD Mis Vol 5 M Inscription reads :- by Cath Anderson 30:11:1835 imo fa John Anderson d Ringford 1:11:1828 75yrs , mo Mary McNish 28:10:1832 81yrs. bro Robert d Ringford 15:2:1845 66yrs (da Marion d Tongland village 7:7:1877 65yrs), sis Mary d Laurieston 8:7: 1856 69yrs (h Alex Millar) Regards,James -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 22 September 2001 19:01 Subject: SCT-KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE-D Digest V01 #90

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_034F_01C143C4.0D766B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All I'm researching my MCMONNIES line and its links to these surnames in = Wigtownshire and Kircudbrightshire in the late 18th and 19th centuries: =20 ALEXANDER COTTRAN or COTHAN GOURLAY HALLIDAY HOUSTON JARDINE = KINNEAR MACKENZIE PAGAN ROBISON SPEDDING YOUNG =20 =20 Details are listed below (sorry about the great length). =20 Thanks Miranda Gott Sydney Australia [email protected] =20 =20 Generation No. 1 =20 1. Robert1 MCMONNIES married Mary HALLIDAY, only child known is: =20 2. David2 MCMONNIES, born Abt. 1785, and died 30 Oct 1877 in = 'Shaddock' Farm, Whithorn, WIG, SCT. He married Jane HOUSTON 1809 in = Tongland, daughter of James HOUSTON and Elizabeth COTTRAN or COTHAN. = She was born Abt. 1788, and died 25 Jan 1869 in 'Shaddock' Farm, = Whithorn, WIG, SCT. =20 Children of David MCMONNIES and Jane HOUSTON are: i. Mary3 MCMONNIES, b. 12 Jul 1811, Bellaird = (Ballard?), WIG, SCT; m. John GOURLAY?. ii. James MCMONNIES, b. 28 Jan 1814, Baland, ?, SCT. iii. Robert MCMONNIES, b. Abt. 1816; d. 8 Apr 1821. iv. William MCMONNIES, b. 1818. 3. v. David MCMONNIES, b. 27 Aug 1820, Drummoral, Parish = of Whithorn, WIG, SCT; d. 23 Nov 1880, Sorbie Farm, Parish of Sorbie, = WIG, SCT. 4. vi. Robert MCMONNIES, b. 1824; d. 3 May 1863, 'Muncraig' = Farm, Borgue, KKB, SCT. 5. vii. Elizabeth MCMONNIES, b. 28 Oct 1824; d. 19 Jan = 1854. viii. John MCMONNIES, b. 12 Jun 1827. 6. ix. Jane MCMONNIES, b. 1830; d. 1906. x. John MCMONNIES, b. 1821. =20 Generation No. 3 =20 3. David3 MCMONNIES was born 27 Aug 1820 in Drummoral, Parish of = Whithorn, WIG, SCT, and died 23 Nov 1880 in Sorbie Farm, Parish of = Sorbie, WIG, SCT. He married Catherine Lawrie KINNEAR 23 Oct 1855 in = Drummoral, Parish of Whithorn, WIG, SCT, daughter of William KINNEAR and = Margaret ALEXANDER. She was born 19 Sep 1835 in Isle of Whithorn, WIG, = SCT, and died 6 Oct 1895. =20 Children of David MCMONNIES and Catherine KINNEAR are: i. William4 MCMONNIES, b. Abt. 1857; d. 1868. ii. David MCMONNIES, b. 18 Nov 1856, Whithorn, WIG, = SCT; d. 1895. iii. Margaret Jane MCMONNIES, b. 16 May 1860, Whithorn, = WIG, SCT . =20 4. Robert3 MCMONNIES (David2, Robert1) was born 1824, and died 3 May = 1863 in 'Muncraig' Farm, Borgue, KKB, SCT. He married Susan ROBISON in = St Bride's Church, Liverpool, ENG, probably daughter of Robert ROBISON = and Ann JARDINE. She was born Abt. 1825. =20 Children of Robert MCMONNIES and Susan ROBISON are: i. Ann4 MCMONNIES, b. Abt. 1849, Gloucestershire, ENG. 7. ii. Robert ROBISON MCMONNIES, b. 8 Jul 1852; d. 1929, = Prahan, VIC, AUS. 8. iii. Mary MCMONNIES, b. 17 Mar 1855, Girthon, KKB, SCT; = d. 3 Nov 1890, Grange of Cree, Penninghame, WIG, SCT. 9. iv. David MCMONNIES, b. 2 Mar 1857, Borgue, KKB, SCT =

Hi Victoria Thank you for your kind offer. My interests are in the KEVAN family whom I know lived in Borgue for a time and then in Gatehouse of Fleet in Birtwhistle Street. Anne Greenly

Dear Listers No not quite gone on holiday yet - nearly packed - but as my husband was unexpectedly out tonight I treated myself to a session on Scots Origins as I have just received a death certificate I wanted to follow up. I have a puzzle which I thought I would leave the list to consider while I sun myself on the beach in Greece. Certficate is for Mary Miller whose graveyard inscription (Tongland 1856) refers to husband Aex (assume Alexander). Alexander is not mentioned on the certificate but Stepson Robert Miller is. This totally confused me - I hadn't got a Robert ! Assuming that Mary is Alexanders second wife and that the wife I already know about (my GGG Grandmother Agnes) didnt have a Robert where does Robert come from ? So I checked for a Robert Miller son of Alexander born Balmaghie and found one - and also found yet another wife, Grissel !! I have searched and searched and can find no Miller deaths to account for first wife, second wife or even Alexander himself. In fact no Miller deaths in Balmaghie for years and years except Mary. I can find no record of any other births except for the five I already had (2nd wife Agnes) and now Robert (first wife Grissel) and no other Miller marriages except 3 all to Alexander and all nicely spaced to include the 6 children - so - I conclude Alexander had 3 wifes 0 Grissel, then Agnes, then Mary. Details are below. What do you think - is this one, two or three Alexanders ? Why can't I find any death records ? Interesting to note that two of the second set of childen (wife two) seem to be named after wife one (Grissel McLansburgh). Did she die in childbirth - the dates seem to indicate that. I wonder if the third marriage is what prompted my GG Grandfather George and brother Laurie to move away down to Rochdale around 1850 ? One thing I have just done is request Roberts birth record and Grissel and Alexanders marriage record to confirm that this is Alexander a tailor in Laurieston. Any thoughts would be most welcome. Regards Joy Descendants of Alexander MILLER 1 [1] Alexander MILLER b: 1800 in Living in Laurieston, Balmaghie in 1825 working as a tailor. . +Grissel Mc Lansburgh m: 10/01/1817 in Balmaghie Kirkcudbright ..... 2 Robert Miller b: 16/02/1818 in Balmaghie *2nd Wife of [1] Alexander MILLER: . +Agnes BARKLEY b: 1800 in Unknown m: 02/12/1819 in Tongland near Kirkcudbright, Scotland ..... 2 Alexander Miller b: 06/04/1821 in Balmaghie, Kirkudbright, Scotland ..... 2 John Lansburgh Miller b: 10/02/1823 in Balmaghie, Kirkudbright, Scotland ..... 2 Grissel C Miller b: 11/03/1825 in Balmaghie, Kirkudbright, Scotland ......... +James McCaw b: 1817 in Kello, Kirkcudbright, Scotland m: 11/03/1859 in Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland ..... 2 [2] George MILLER b: 24/11/1827 in Balmaghie, Kirkudbright, Scotland d: 15/10/1902 in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire (GG Grandfather) ......... +Jannet Bell ADAMSON b: 1836 in Rochdale Lancs m: 01/06/1854 in Providence Chapel High Street Rochdale Lancs *2nd Wife of [2] George MILLER ......... +Charlotte Anne Fell m: 12/1886 in Rochdale Lancs ..... 2 Laurie McClymont Miller b: 18/12/1829 in Balmaghie, Kirkudbright, Scotland *3rd Wife of [1] Alexander MILLER: . +Mary Anderson b: Abt. 1787 d: 08/07/1856 in Laurieston, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright m: 28/11/1839 in Balmaghie, Kirkcudbright, Scotland

Dear All I have just come to the end - I think - of all the Pigot lookup requests - except Jardine which I have left until last as I know there are lots ! Unless of course there are some in the Digest mails from yesterday and today which I havent opened yet. As I am off on my hols for a week I will now put these to one side until I get back - so if I havent replied yet - panic not - I will. Note I am cunningly changing the email titles to the surnames so that if I come across another entry for a name I've already done, if you are lucky i will remember it and send it on. i will stay subscribed as I don't want to miss anything. Who knows someone may choose this week to circulate the details of all my Millar family ! Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: JOY SALT To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Pigot Lookups Dear All I am busily working my way through the lookup requests - so if I havent replied yet don't worry I will get to it. It gets easier as the names become more familiar ! Regards Joy

Eleanor found just one William Manson, Publican - New Galloway Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Donaldson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: Pigot`s Directory please > Hello Joy please could you look up the name MANSON . > Thank you from Eleanor in Sydney. >

John I have found two you might fancy : Thomas Sproat, Grocer, Spirit Dealer & Hardware, High St - Kirkcudbright Thomas Sproat, Farmer, Grennan - New Galloway Regards Joy riginal Message ----- From: JOHN SPROAT <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:50 AM Subject: Fw: Pigot Directory > -----Original Message----- > From: JOHN SPROAT <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:07 PM > Subject: Pigot Directory > > > >Hi Joy > > > >Do you have any Sproats listed in your directory. I am looking for a Thomas > >Sproat who left for the USA in 1853. > > > >Thanks > >John Sproat > >Pennsylvania USA > > > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > >

Sheena I can't find a full match but these may help. I don't expect to find farmers - this is a list of people ' in trade' only. David Clarke, Deputy Master, Freemasons Lodge - Kirkcudbright David Clarke, Senior warden, Freemasons Lodge - Kirkcudbright John Clarke, Grocer & Spirit dealer, Castle St - Kirkcudbright Alex. Clarke, Gent, Laurieston Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheena Jones <[email protected]> To: JOY SALT <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:44 PM Subject: Re: Pigots Directory > Hi Joy > If you have time, could you see if there is a David Clark, spirit dealer, > either around Balmaghie or Dalry? (In the 1881 census his son Robert gave > his place of birth as Dalry, Kirkcudbrightshire, so he must have spent some > time there.) Also the grandfather David Clark of Slogarie, parish of > Balmaghie - was he a farmer? > > Thanks > Sheena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOY SALT" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: RE-Posting Interests > > > > Dear Listers > > > > I must humbly apologise. This document looked well near perfect on the > > outgoing mail. > > I can't say the same now it has reassembled itself after its journey > through > > the ether. > > I must go back to the drawing board and improve the format somewhat before > I > > try again - and next time I'll send it just to myself first to check it > > comes back the way I sent it ! > > > > Good news - I have just received my copy of Pigots southern Scotland 1825 > > directory on CD and have found GGG Grandfather Alex Miller alive, well and > > working as a tailor (as expected) in Lawrieston (note the W in place of > the > > U). > > > > Regards > > Joy > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: JOY SALT <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:32 PM > > Subject: RE-Posting Interests > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >

Hi Sybil: I have no knowledge of your Ramsey or C.L. Brown, however I do have a Peter Donabie BROWN born 1880 and a Agnes Brown born 1877 both in Glasgow. However oral history is that the Brown, Donabies and Houstons (all family names) came from Kirkcudbrightshire or Ayr. My Browns go back to William Brown born about 1805 who married Mary Houston? 1824 and had a son Hugh Brown born about 1829 who married Agnes Maitland from Irvine Ayrshire. They had a son Robert Livingstone Brown born 12 Dec. 1860 who married Annie Donabie and had three children, Agnes (Annie) 1877, Robert Livingstone born 1878 and Peter Donabie Brown born 1880. It is thought that Annie Donabie had a middle name of Agnes and that she was the daughter of Peter Henry Donabie and Annie Houston. Peter and Annie were married in Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbrightshire. Peter Henry was the son of Peter Donabie. I realize that this is stretching it a bit but the similar names and the Kirkcudbrightshire connection makes me wonder if there is a connection. How is spring in Australia? Stuart Livingstone Brown, Cornwallis - Nova Scotia - Canada Searching for Donabies, Browns, Houstons, and Maitlands in Scotland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: September 15, 2001 2:21 AM Subject: Ramsey and CL Brown > Hello Listers, > > Greetings! I wonder if you can help me with my investigation. > > I am looking for Crawford Logan Brown. > > His parents were Peter Brown and Elizabeth Ramsey (or Ramsay). > > Their children were: > > 1. Mary Brown, born about 1805-1806, Creetown or Kirkmabreck, who married David Cameron; > > 2. Crawford Logan Brown, born in or near Creetown in 1805-1807; > > 3. Agnes Brown, b. 1808- 1809, Creetown? , married James Sutherland Robertson in London in c. 1837, had son John Elliot Robertson in 1838 at Creetown; and > > 4. Barbara Brown, b. about1811 > > I'd be very grateful for your information. > > Best wishes > > Sybil Cameron > New South Wales > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

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-----Original Message----- From: JOHN SPROAT <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:07 PM Subject: Pigot Directory >Hi Joy > >Do you have any Sproats listed in your directory. I am looking for a Thomas >Sproat who left for the USA in 1853. > >Thanks >John Sproat >Pennsylvania USA > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Hi I am trying to trace Isabella Armstrong Coltart, born in 1827 in Kirkcudbright, to William Coltart and Helen nee Armstrong. At the time of the 1881 census she was living in Stok-upon-Trent and married to William Beech, a miner. Any help would be much appreciated. Liz

Hi Listers Need some help please!!!! John McKill b.approx. 1800 marriage to Janet Clark(Clerk) 1829/1830 3 siblings, Janet McKill b. 17/3/1831,Mary McTurk McKill b.26/2/1833, Robert McKill b.20/1/1835. about Balmaclennan/Kells ares of Kirkcudbrightshire. any help/ info would be appreciated. Jim Graham ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Dear All I am busily working my way through the lookup requests - so if I havent replied yet don't worry I will get to it. It gets easier as the names become more familiar ! Regards Joy

Trudie No Pringles but 3 Murdochs (I've searched both Dumfries and Kircudbright) : James Murdoch, Boot & Shoe Maker, Front St - Gatehouse of Fleet Misses Murdoch, Milliners, Castle St - Kirkcudbright William Murdoch, Publican - New Galloway Regards joy ----- Original Message ----- From: trudie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Pigots list > Hello Joy > Would you be able to look for PRINGLE and MURDOCH for me? If you've been > swamped I'll understand. Thanks > > Trudie > Canada > >