Michael In order to get mail from the mailing list you need to Subscribe by sending a mailnote to the address below with the single word SUBSCRIBE in the message title. [email protected] This is the digest form. If you want to get the mailnotes in individually then replace the -D- with -L-. This works in the same way for all the Rootsgen mailing lists. I've searched for Bartlett entries with a Kirkcudbright reference on the 1881 census but can't find any.. Here are the John Watson entries (cant find any Henrys) - Dwelling: 24 Church Street Census Place: Troqueer, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 882 EnumDist 6 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WATSON M 35 M Sanquhar, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Militia Staff Sergeant Alice Mary WATSON M 31 F England Rel: Wife Margaret G. WATSON 10 F England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Harriet A. WATSON 8 F England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alice Mary WATSON 6 F (B S), Gibraltar Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane B. WATSON 4 F (B S), Gibraltar Rel: Daur William J. T. WATSON 2 M (B S), Gibraltar Rel: Son Hugh G. WATSON 3 m M Troqueer, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: Schoolmasters House Census Place: Twynholm, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 883 EnumDist 3 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WATSON U 61 M Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Teacher Of Public School Isabella Little ESKDALE U 29 F Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Housekeeper Dom Dwelling: Springholm Village Census Place: Urr, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 884 EnumDist 5 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WATSON M 56 M Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Margaret WATSON M 50 F Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Wife John WATSON U 23 M Tongueland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: House Carpenter Robert WATSON 14 M Tongueland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: St Johns St Public Lodging House Census Place: Kirkmabreck, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 873 EnumDist 6 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WASON M 55 M Eastwood, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gen Lab Gr Quarry Marion WASON M 58 F Sanquhar, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Lodging House Keeper James FERGUSON W 64 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Labourer Or Tramp John C. NEARY U 54 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Disabled Seaman Or Tramp Thos. MURPHY U 24 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Licenced Hawker Dwelling: 147 King Street Census Place: Kelton, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 869 EnumDist 4 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WATSON M 53 M Tinwald, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Annie WATSON M 49 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Grocer Wife Elizabeth WATSON U 23 F C Douglas, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Dressmaker Robert WATSON U 21 M C Douglas, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Joiner Dwelling: Springholm Village Census Place: Urr, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 884 EnumDist 5 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John WATSON M 56 M Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Margaret WATSON M 50 F Kirkpatrick Durham, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Wife John WATSON U 23 M Tongueland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: House Carpenter Robert WATSON 14 M Tongueland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Dwelling: Old Country Ho Census Place: Girthon, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224056 GRO Ref Volume 866 EnumDist 2 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph WATSON M 54 M England Rel: Head Occ: Wood Hoop Maker Elizabeth WATSON M 38 F Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Wife John WATSON U 21 M England Rel: Son Occ: Wood Hooper Elizabeth TYSON U 18 F Anworth, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daur Agnes WATSON 12 F Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Thomas WATSON 11 M Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Joseph WATSON 9 M Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James WATSON 6 M Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Robert C. WATSON 4 M England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth LEES U 35 F Borgue, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Domestic Serv General Agnes LEES 3 F England Rel: Nurse Child William LEES 9 m M Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Nurse Child Dwelling: Netherhall Cottage Census Place: Urr, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224059 GRO Ref Volume 884 EnumDist 3 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert WATSON M 44 M Castle Douglas, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Serv Margaret WATSON M 37 F Twynholm, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Cotmans Wife John WATSON 13 M Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth T. WATSON 10 F Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Robert WATSON 8 M Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar George WATSON 4 M Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Margaret M. WATSON 1 F Urr, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Dwelling: 36 King Street Census Place: Kelton, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 869 EnumDist 1 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ellen WATSON W 40 F Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Washerwoman John WATSON 12 M Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Maggie WATSON 9 M Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daught Occ: Scholar Mary WATSON 5 F Kelton, Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Daught Occ: Scholar Dwelling: UP Manse High St Census Place: Kirkcudbright, Kircudbright, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224057 GRO Ref Volume 871 EnumDist 2 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Wm. (Revd.) WATSON M 39 M Symington, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Minister Of UP Church Kirkt Jane WATSON M 38 F Douglas, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Jane J. WATSON 9 F Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar William WATSON 9 M Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alex G. WATSON 7 M Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John M. WATSON 6 M Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Margret C. WATSON 4 F Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Mary E. WATSON 1 F Kirkcudbright, Scotland Rel: Dau Elizabeth PENNY U 18 F Abernethy, Perth, Scotland Rel: Ser Occ: Dom Ser ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Watson To: JOY SALT Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Watson Hello Joy! I have noticed that you have sent many interesting and helpful findings through [email protected] I have sent several e-mails to that address, but must be sending to the wrong place because I have not received any responses! Perhaps you could help me? James, or John, or Jack WATSON, a great-uncle or ggf of mine, living sometime between 1820 and 1930. The only info I have on this individual is gathered from stories heard by me in childhood, and concern the fact that he drowned one Sunday while fishing in the River Dee, KKB when he was about 30 yrs old . A ditty of that time refers to this incident, loosely paraphrased as follows: "Had he ere been in God's house, where he should have been, He'd a ne'er been drowned in the river of Dee" (or something like that!) His Brother, Nephew or Son, (my GF), was Henry Watson, married to Alice BARTLETT, moved to Bradford and Bingley/Cottingley, Yorkshire. That is the sum total of my knowledge of my father's side of the family. I don't know if my gmother, Alice Bartlett was from Kirkcudbright, but I would be interested if any info can be found on her. Hope you had a splendid holiday in Greece. Any Information would be gratefully received. Thanks, Michael, from Dallas

One more 1891 Census Borgue KDS Earlston House William GORDON head mar 60 Baronet Tongland KDS Mary Grace GORDON wife mar 47 Edinburgh Katherine M B MENGISS visitor unm 18 visitor Antigua W.Indies Anne JOHNSTON servant unm 43 Cook Dunscere DUM Dina MURRAY servant unm 30 Lady's maid Ireland Mary GLENCROSS servant unm 27 Laundry maid Dalry KDS Susan LAWSON servant unm 20 Kitchen maid Glenluce WIG Mary CLARK servant unm 18 House maid Stoneykirk WIG Frederick HOPKINS servant unm 39 Butler Dartford KENT John SMALL servant 19 unm Footman Edinbugh Anne Greenly

Hallo All I am still trying my luck to find my Samuel Scott's birth and family details in the area of Colvend/Dalbeattie. How do I go about finding MI information for Scott and swan in Colvend and Dalbeattie in the Monumental Inscriptions books for Kirkcudbrightshire? Any assistance would be appreciated. Kind Regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp, South Africa Tel +27-11-769-2400 Cel +27-83-324-2238 Web Site : www.krugersdorp.org E-mail :[email protected]

While browsing the Balmaghie film last week I noted down the following entries as they refer to some names which may have a connection to my Alexander Miller and family. Hope they may be of use to someone. (No further progress this week - the centre was unexpectedly closed yesterday after I had taken an hour off work as someone had lost the keys and can't make tomorrows session. Just hoping to find something next monday.) Regards Joy Mc CLEMENT Henderson. Born 7/12/1804. Baptised 9/12/1804. Daughter. Mc CLEMENT Janet. Born 14/10/1807 Baptised 18/10/1807 Daughter Parents - William Mc Clement, labourer residing the Cot House of Bridge Stone and Janet Mc CONCHIE. Mc CLEMENT William. Born 10/8/1814. Baptised 15/9/1814. Son. Parents - William Mc Clement, worker Gatehouse and Margaret WILSON (Marriage recorded 3/8/1809 at Bridgestone) Mc LANSBURGH John. Born 7/12/1905. Baptised 12/12/1805. Son. Parents - John Mc Lansburgh and Helen PALMER Mc LANSBURGH John. Born 30/4/1810. Baptised 4/5/1810. Son. Parents - Robert Mc Lansburgh and Jean DURHAM Mc LANSBURGH Ann. Born 30/7/1811. Baptised 6/8/1811. Daughter . Mc LANSBURGH John. Born 18/7/1813. Baptised 23/4/1813. Son Mc LANSBURGH Jean . Born 17/6//1815. Baptised 23/6/1815. Daughter Mc LANSBURGH Robert. Born 22/4/1817. Baptised 29/4/1817. Son Parents - William Mc Lansburgh and Jean GRIEVE Mc LANSBURGH Margaret. Born 27/3/1814. Baptised 7/4/1814. Daughter . Parents - Samuel Mc Lansburgh at Laurieston (Son of Robert tenent in Blaits Mill) and Margaret Mc CLELLAN (daughter of David tenant in Drambrech) (Marriage recorded but sorry forgot to note the date ) Mc CLELLAN Robert. Born 12/10/1833. Son . Parents - john McClellan and Mary BODDAN Mc LANSBURGH Elizabeth. Born 18/5/1817. Baptised 29/5/1817. Daughter . Mc LANSBURGH Margaret. Born 2/3/1820. Baptised 7/4/1820. Daughter Parents - Robert Mc Lansburgh Tenant in Blaits Mill and Jean DURHAM (Marriage recorded 1/8/1809 at Laurieston) Mc LANSBURGH Alexander. Born 28/2/1836. Baptised 24/3/1836. Son . Parents - James Mc Lansburgh (Weaver at Laurieston) and Agnes DURHAM Mc LANSBURGH John. Born 12/4/1836. Baptised 18/5/1836 . Son . Mc LANSBURGH Jean. Born 5/8/1834. Daughter. Parents - John Mc Lansburgh (Policeman in Liverpool) and Elizabeth SHARP Mc VIE Mary Born 24/4/1836. Baptised 19/5/1836 .Daughter . Mc VIE Robert Born 19/5/1831 Son Mc VIE Margaret Born 11/10/1833 .Daughter Parents - David Mc Vie (Laurieston) and Mary MILLER WILLIE Alexander. Born 30/8/1816. Baptised 2/9/1816. Son Parents - Robert Willie worker Bridge of Dee and Margaret BRYCE (Marriage recorded 1/8/1809 at Laurieston) Mc MILLAN Margaret. Born 29/4/1742. Daughter Mc MILLAN James. Born (in Barlogne (?)) 8/3/1749. Son Parents - Rob. Mc Millan and Mary Mc GHIE MUNCHIE Jean. Born 23/2/1749 (Auchenhan). Daughter Parents - John Munchie and Jean Mc MILLAN MILLER William married Grace BODDAN (Summerhill) 31/10/1834 McCLELLAN John married Mary BODDAN (Summerhill) 20/10/1832 MILLER James Richardson (Blaits Mill) married Mary PRENTICE (Craigh) 14/6/1833 Mc LANSBURGH JOhn married Elizabeth SHARP (Mid Town Dainlenspie (?)) 17/4/1834

Hi Everybody Thought that this information is better shared that just sitting in my files. 1891 Census Borgue Kirkcudbrightshire Gledpark Cothouse Alexander McGarva Head mar 38 Ag Lab Minnigaff Kirkcudbrightshire (KDS) Jemima McGarva Wife mar 34 Wife Dalry KDS Elizabeth McGarva dau 12 Scholar Dalry KDS John McGarva son 10 Scholar Crossmichael KDS Mary McGarva dau 8 scholar Borgue KDS Sarah McGarva dau 6 scholar Borgue KDS Agnes McGarva dau 5 scholar Borgue KDS Hugh McGarva son 2 Borgue KDS William McGarva son 8 months Borgue KDS Gledpark Cothouse William McWhirter Head Widr 75 Ag Lab Stoneykirk WIG Agnes McWhirter Gddau 18 Housekeeper Glenluce WIG William McWhirter Gdson 11 Scholar Glasgow Janet McWhiter Gddau 9 scholar Glasgow Sarah McWhirter Gddau 8 scholarl Glasgow Earlston Cottage Samuel Kevan Head mar 56 Ag Lab Kirkinner WIG Margaret Kevan Wife mar 48 Wife Ireland Mary Kevan dau unm 17 Dau Penninghame WIG John Kevan son 14 scholar Penninghame WIG Anne Kevan dau 11 scholar WIG Samuel Kevan son 9 scholar Borgue KDS James Kevan son 6 scholar Borgue KDS Earlston Cottage John Kinna Head mar 40 Forester Girthon KDS Margret Kinna Wife mar 39 Wife Girthon KDS Maggie Kinna dau 14 Scholar Borgue KDS John Kinna son 12 scholar Borgue KDS James Kinna son 8 scholar Borgue KDS Earlston Cottage Henry Keenan Head Unm 34 Gamekeeper Girthon KDS Mary Ann Keenan Sister unm 30 Housekeeper Borgue KDS Earlston Stables Hugh Sproat Head mar 48 Coachman Stoneykirk WIG Agnes Sproat Wife mar 47 Durisdeer DUM Sarah ? Smith dau unm 27 Cook Mochrum WIG James Smith Sproat son unm ? age Butler Glasserton WIG Robert Sproat son unm 19 Tailor Glasserton WIG Agnes Sproat dau 11 scholar Borgue KDS Earlston Stables Margaret Kerr Head Widow 44 Dairymaid Stoneykirk WIG Jane Kerr dau unm 16 Dressmaker Stoneykirk WIG Bessie Kerr dau unm 14 Dau Glamorganshire Wales John Kerr son 12 scholar Glamorganshire Wales Robert Kerr son 12 scholar Glamorganshire Maggie Kerr dau 10 scholar Glamorganshire My interest is in the Kevan family, so if anyone out there is interested have more information to share. Anne Greenly

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Craig Gregory" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 23 September 2001 00:10 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE > UNSUBSCRIBE > >

Hi List, at long last I have Mary Hunter's death certificate and she died on the 11 October 1884 at st Johns St. Creetown, aged 86, she was a Pauper when she died and her occuption was a Dressmaker Her parents were John Hunter, Sailor Deceased and Agnes Hunter, m.s. Heron Deceased Informant was her Nephew John Spence Carty Farm, Newtown Stewart. When I was first looking for her she was found on the 1841 census with Agnes and then could not be found in 1851, could sks have a look if possible on the 1851 census to see if she is living at St Johns Street Creetown? I just thought seeing as over the past weeks I have been emailing the list about Mary, you might like to know the final results cheers Maggie in Australia [email protected]

Hi Listers, I am trying to locate Isabella SHANNON born about 1849. Parents were Robert SHANNON (occupation: Baker) and Isabella SHANNON (m.s. PEACOCK). Isablla may have had a sister, Elizabeth (born about 1847). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks & Regards, David Wells Sydney, Australia ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

I think it might be a Scottish habit to give apparent male names to females. In my family I have a girl called Clelland DUNLOP. One of my ancestors was a lady called Bruce ELLIS. As her last name was also spelt ALICE, she ended up on the IGI as Alice BRUCE and it took me years to find her. So never take anything for granted!! Jeanette (NZ) >

Jeanette de Montalk wrote: > I think it might be a Scottish habit to give apparent male names to females. And vice versa, even in USA. Remember the pop song, "A boy named Sue"? Cheers......... ALISTAIR

Alistair Thanks. Just keep your fingers crossed for me that my Miller entries are on the film - otherwise I'm stuck. Regards Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair Cameron <[email protected]> To: JOY SALT <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: LDS fiche and Family History Library Catalogue JOY SALT wrote: > Not sure which film I've got but it certainly has mostly handwritten > notices. I think it must therefore be #1067973 . > That comes up in the Catalogue thus: Film or fiche number 1067973 Film/fiche search results : 5 matching titles Items 9-11, Parish registers, 1715-1856 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Colvend and Southwick Items 5-6, Parish registers, 1736-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Buittle Items 3-4, Parish registers, 1741-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Borgue Items 7-8, Parish registers, 1758-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Carsphairn Items 1-2, Parish registers, 1768-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Balmaghie © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. > I will check the number on monday and let you know. I think that won't be necessary, the scene looks much clearer. You called this a FICHE but it seems that it is really a FILM. The difficulty you remarked on in reading same, is due to the content and sequence of the original Registers I suppose, and not due to the LDS <filming> of same. LDS having many millions of films, and a backlog of records not yet handled by them, are not likely to invest time on interleaving helpful notations to assist the user. We hafta both navigate and drive ourselves!! As the Catalogue shows, that film has 11 items but only two are for Balmaghie. It's often a good move, to print the catalogue page before reading the film. The catalogue is in three formats: fiche, DOS-CD and WINDOWS-CD. The FH Centre I use has all three versions on open access to the public. Cheers......... ALISTAIR

Dennis I've had a couple of requests for lookups on this film and have printed them off and will do my best. My only problem is that the LDS centre is only open twice a week and only during 'middle of the day hours' - when I am supposed to be at work. Not open long enough for me to warrant taking a day off either. I've got the film for a couple of weeks and plan to sneak out of work next week same as this week so as soon as I've finished my Balmaghie browsing I will be happy to look for these others. I'll get back to you if I find anything. Can you in return do me a little favour. My brother in law is getting interested in tracing his history and it has a recent South African involvement. His mother was born there in 1905. Can you point me to some web sites where I could find some info re the Rumney details below ?. Regards Joy 1 [1] Lucy Lawley b: 22/04/1868 in Leeds, York, England. Children all born in Johannesburg but she went to England for a holiday - minus husband but with the four children late 1905 or 1906 and stayed there. Husband not heard of since !. +William Rumney m: 15/07/1894 in St Georges Church Kendal ..... 2 Reginald Rumney b: Abt. 1895 in Johannesburg ..... 2 Frank Rumney b: Bet. 1896 - 1902 in Johannesburg ..... 2 Mary Rumney b: Bet. 1896 - 1902 in Johannesburg ..... 2 Lucy Marjorie Rumney b: 07/04/1905 - address on birth certificate is 5 Jus Street Jeppestown Johannesburg Transvaal d: 27/01/1965 in Handforth . ......... +John Francis Deasey b: 26/09/1901 d: 27/10/1962 *2nd Husband of [1] Lucy Lawley: . +William Troy m: 13/09/1918 in Crewe Cheshire England ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Pretorius <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:13 AM Subject: Re: LDS PARISH RECORD FICHE > Hallo All > > > > I notice that Joy has access to the film for Colvend and would like to ask > for help in this connection. I also (hopefully) have a connection to Colvend > but luck has not been on my side. > > Please Joy, If you find any Scott information - especially a Samuel Scott, > born about 1840 - or an Issabelle Scott who married a SWAN - I would > appreciate information about that. > > Kind Regards > > Dennis Pretorius > Krugersdorp, South Africa > Tel +27-11-769-2400 > Cel +27-83-324-2238 > Web Site : www.krugersdorp.org > E-mail :[email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: allanganderson <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:33 AM > Subject: Re: LDS PARISH RECORD FICHE > > > > Hi Joy > > > > I'm scrounging! I noticed your film includes Colvend. If you should get > the > > chance, please would you mind looking for a marriage 1820-1822-ish between > > Robert Anderson and Isabella Dobie. I'm doubtful you'll find it as it > wasn't > > > > ______________________________

Dear All I Haven't forgotten ! All your outstanding lookup requests are filed and waiting for me. On Tuesday next my husband is off out. This means I have a whole free uninterrupted evening on my PC when I don't need to feel guilty that my long suffering retired husband, alone all day while I am at my day job (bringing in the income) is also left alone all evening while I play with my ancestors. So on Tuesday I will clean my glasses, load in the CD and do the lookups I have promised. Regards Joy

Joy Salt wrote:- >>>>>>>Came across an odd entry on the Balmaghie parish register film. Agnes Stewart Mc Lellan lawful daughter of Samuel Mc Lellan (Teacher at Society Hal School) and Stewart Marshall his wife ! born 15/5/1848. Baptised 14/7/1848. Just thought I'd post this in case poor soul has been incorrectly searching for years for a 'man' called Stewart Marshall. Regards Joy<<<<<<<<<< Stewart is the daughter of David MARSHALL & Helen McMILLIAN Sister of Helen Marshall who married Neilson (McGOWAN) IRELAND in Balmaghie 1858. Is there any one out there researching any of these names, I have some research done on these families. Regards Margaret

Hallo All I notice that Joy has access to the film for Colvend and would like to ask for help in this connection. I also (hopefully) have a connection to Colvend but luck has not been on my side. Please Joy, If you find any Scott information - especially a Samuel Scott, born about 1840 - or an Issabelle Scott who married a SWAN - I would appreciate information about that. Kind Regards Dennis Pretorius Krugersdorp, South Africa Tel +27-11-769-2400 Cel +27-83-324-2238 Web Site : www.krugersdorp.org E-mail :[email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: allanganderson <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:33 AM Subject: Re: LDS PARISH RECORD FICHE > Hi Joy > > I'm scrounging! I noticed your film includes Colvend. If you should get the > chance, please would you mind looking for a marriage 1820-1822-ish between > Robert Anderson and Isabella Dobie. I'm doubtful you'll find it as it wasn't >

JOY SALT wrote: > Not sure which film I've got but it certainly has mostly handwritten > notices. I think it must therefore be #1067973 . > That comes up in the Catalogue thus: Film or fiche number 1067973 Film/fiche search results : 5 matching titles Items 9-11, Parish registers, 1715-1856 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Colvend and Southwick Items 5-6, Parish registers, 1736-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Buittle Items 3-4, Parish registers, 1741-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Borgue Items 7-8, Parish registers, 1758-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Carsphairn Items 1-2, Parish registers, 1768-1854 Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Balmaghie © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. > I will check the number on monday and let you know. I think that won't be necessary, the scene looks much clearer. You called this a FICHE but it seems that it is really a FILM. The difficulty you remarked on in reading same, is due to the content and sequence of the original Registers I suppose, and not due to the LDS <filming> of same. LDS having many millions of films, and a backlog of records not yet handled by them, are not likely to invest time on interleaving helpful notations to assist the user. We hafta both navigate and drive ourselves!! As the Catalogue shows, that film has 11 items but only two are for Balmaghie. It's often a good move, to print the catalogue page before reading the film. The catalogue is in three formats: fiche, DOS-CD and WINDOWS-CD. The FH Centre I use has all three versions on open access to the public. Cheers......... ALISTAIR

Hi Joy I'm scrounging! I noticed your film includes Colvend. If you should get the chance, please would you mind looking for a marriage 1820-1822-ish between Robert Anderson and Isabella Dobie. I'm doubtful you'll find it as it wasn't in the index, nor on IGI or Origins. But, who knows? As I say, only if you have the time. Thanks Allan Anderson (near Liverpool) Researching ANDERSON/DOBIE/MARTIN/BEGG/GIBSON (Kirkcudbright, Dumfries) KAYLL/KAYLE (IOM,Liverpool,etc) http://members.netscapeonline.co.uk/allanganderson/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOY SALT" <[email protected]> Today I did a lot better and have identified that it is split into several parishes : Balmaghie (the one I want) Borgue Buitle Carshairn (can't read my own scribble) Colvern.

Came across an odd entry on the Balmaghie parish register film. Agnes Stewart Mc Lellan lawful daughter of Samuel Mc Lellan (Teacher at Society Hal School) and Stewart Marshall his wife ! born 15/5/1848. Baptised 14/7/1848. Just thought I'd post this in case poor soul has been incorrectly searching for years for a 'man' called Stewart Marshall. Regards Joy

Alistair Thanks, Not sure which film I've got but it certainly has mostly handwritten notices. I think it must therefore be #1067973 . I will check the number on monday and let you know. Today I did a lot better and have identified that it is split into several parishes : Balmaghie (the one I want) Borgue Buitle Carshairn (can't read my own scribble) Colvern. Now I know which bit I want I can go through it at my leisure. ( or next time I sneak out of work for a long lunch - on Monday) I think I may order Tongland and Kirkcudbright in next if I don't have any success with this one. I have spotted 3 birth entries with a Mary Miller (married to David Mc Kie (I think)) who must be about same age as Alexander or a bit younger - so suspect she may be Alexanders sister. There are very few Miller entries on this Balmaghie film and most I already have. I unfortunately don't have any names for Alexanders parents - that is where I am stuck. I could suspect a fathers name of Robert -as that is the name of his first son - but that could just be a false clue put in there to trip me up. I spent several weeks assuming fathers name was Alexander until I discovered older brother Robert. Regards Joy - Original Message ----- From: Alistair Cameron <[email protected]> To: JOY SALT <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: LDS PARISH RECORD FICHE JOY SALT wrote: > Thanks for the response. I do hope I didnt sound like a moan yesterday. Moaning is healthy. It stimulates the survival glands! > A quick check on LDS reveals that the fiche which awaits me tomorrow at the > LDS centre is : > (Books OPR 857a ; vols. 1-2) > Contents: Baptisms, 1768-1855 -- Marriages, 1805-1854. > Subjects Scotland, Kirkcudbright, Balmaghie - Church records > > Oh dear, we still don't have the actual fiche #. I *fear* you may have ordered > #6901416, which includes: Title Computer printout of Balmaghie, Krkcdb., Scot Note Location Film Births and christenings, A thru Z 1768-1853 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901416 Marriages, A thru Z, 1805-1854 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901417 © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. =================================== If you used #6901416 then be warned, that is a secondary source. Subject to errors and omissions. The primary source in handwriting, for 1768-1853 is #1067973 and hoorah! it probably has entries in it that have NOT been extracted to IGI or Printout. And note also, a lot of Borders events that are readable of film were NOT indexed into the OPR Index nor the Church Records CD. > I am in particular trying to find Alexanders birth which I assume to be late > 1700s - a search on GROS which is where I found all the rest reveals Zilch. If you know his parents' names, then finding his birth may be no great advantage. On the other hand, if those parent names are unproved then hope! that Alexander and his wife died in SCT after 1855 in which case the deaths entries should show the parentage incl. mothers' maiden surnames. And if the actual fiche # differs from 6901416, then do inform me 'cos I get my kicks as an amateur detective ;~) Cheers......... ALISTAIR

JOY SALT wrote: > Thanks for the response. I do hope I didnt sound like a moan yesterday. Moaning is healthy. It stimulates the survival glands! > A quick check on LDS reveals that the fiche which awaits me tomorrow at the > LDS centre is : > (Books OPR 857a ; vols. 1-2) > Contents: Baptisms, 1768-1855 -- Marriages, 1805-1854. > Subjects Scotland, Kirkcudbright, Balmaghie - Church records > > Oh dear, we still don't have the actual fiche #. I *fear* you may have ordered > #6901416, which includes: Title Computer printout of Balmaghie, Krkcdb., Scot Note Location Film Births and christenings, A thru Z 1768-1853 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901416 Marriages, A thru Z, 1805-1854 FHL BRITISH Fiche 6901417 © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. =================================== If you used #6901416 then be warned, that is a secondary source. Subject to errors and omissions. The primary source in handwriting, for 1768-1853 is #1067973 and hoorah! it probably has entries in it that have NOT been extracted to IGI or Printout. And note also, a lot of Borders events that are readable of film were NOT indexed into the OPR Index nor the Church Records CD. > I am in particular trying to find Alexanders birth which I assume to be late > 1700s - a search on GROS which is where I found all the rest reveals Zilch. If you know his parents' names, then finding his birth may be no great advantage. On the other hand, if those parent names are unproved then hope! that Alexander and his wife died in SCT after 1855 in which case the deaths entries should show the parentage incl. mothers' maiden surnames. And if the actual fiche # differs from 6901416, then do inform me 'cos I get my kicks as an amateur detective ;~) Cheers......... ALISTAIR