Hi Jill Thanks very much for the info. Apart from her birth, have you come across this Agnes in any censusus? I don't know where to look for her. My Agnes's son, Robert Gordon Clark, married Margaret Vallance on 9 March 1960 in Paisley, Renfrewshire. Her grandchildren, all born in Paisley, were Jessie, 10 Feb 1861 Jessie Brisbane, 21 Oct 1862 Agnes Gordon, 5 Feb 1865 Robert, 7 Apr 1867 Agnes Gordon, 2 Jan 1870 Margaret, 29 Mar 1873 Jean Wyllie, May 1877 Sarah, 1880 Grace, 1883 There is no David, the paternal grandfather's name. The maternal grandparents were Hugh Vallance and Janet Fulton Brisbane. All 4 grandparents' names are on Robert and Margaret's marriage certificate. I don't know if it's significant, but in the next generation (my mother, aunt and uncles) they did not follow the naming pattern for boys either. The eldest son was called Gordon. Do you have any connection with the Gordon of Balmaghie in the Robert Burns poem? See http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/GordonofBalmaghieThomasd1806.399.htm l Regards Sheena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Dakin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: Agnes Gordon of Balmaghie > Hello Sheena: > > I have checked out my GORDON database (descendants of Thomas GORDON > 1670-1730 and Jane HOUSTON) and the only possible Agnes GORDON I can find is > one born in 1799 at Borgue. She was a daughter of Thomas GORDON (b.c. 1752 > died 7 April 1809) and Agnes PORTER (b.c. 1760 died 20 April 1842). > > Although there are Gordons at Balmaghie, I can't find a monumental > inscription recorded for an Agnes GORDON in the pre 1855 records there. > > Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing of this Agnes' history, but if you > should learn that she is the Agnes you are seeking, I'd be glad to hear from > you as I can fill you in on siblings and earlier generations. > > Cheers, > Jill > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Sheena, There is an Agnes Gordon remembered in Mis KKD Vol 4 for Kirkpatrick Durham Kirkyard on Headstone for Lair 147.ie widow of John McMorne who died Springholm 13 Sept 1837, she died Springholm aged 67yrs on 27:3:1838 Hope it helps there are numerous GORDON in these MIs. The most opulent Gordons in that area one time owned Walton Park; Previously McCartney of McCartney :at one time owned by my ancestors 1680s. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 09 February 2002 13:02 Subject: SCT-KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE-D Digest V02 #23

I'd greatly appreciate it someone with the MI booklet for Kirkcudbright town (St Cuthbert's) could look up any McMURRAY and ERSKINE families buried there. I'm looking for John McMURRAY (b abt 1759) and his wife Elizabeth ERSKINE (b abt 1763) and their children: Mary, Elizabeth, Catherine, William, Marion and Jennet. Mary married into my RAE branch in abt 1805 in Kirkcudbright. Thanks in advance. Yours aye, John Jardine Cincinnati, Ohio USA D&G FHS Member #1918 JARDINE/JARDEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Annan, Applegarth, Wamphray, Torthorwald, Collin, Racks, Cummertrees, Powfoot, Mouswald, Kirkmichael, Templand; GREEN in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; RAE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown, Kirkcudbright; MOFFAT in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; McMILLAN in Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Irongray; BRODIE in Dumfries, Maxwelltown; HOPE in Annan

I only have one fact about Agnes Gordon. Her natural son, Robert Clark, was born 8 Nov 1829 in Balmaghie. The father was David Clark. Robert was later known as Robert Gordon Clark, and the Gordon name passed down for the next 2 generations. Does anyone have information about Gordons which might help me to trace Agnes's family? Regards Sheena

I am trying to obtain information about John Shannon and his wife Martha McLure, both born in Ireland (Londonderry?) who came to Scotland in the early 1800s with their family. Unable to find any information with the exception for their son Hugh Shannon and his wife Margaret Hamilton married in Glasgow on 12 October 1838 who are my ancestors. Hugh and his wife settled in Hawick, Roxburghshire.

Hi lst, would sks be able to have a look at 1851 cenus I have this information JOHN HUNTER in ED12 page 9 can any one Help? cheers Maggie [email protected]

Hello list, Just looked at a marriage registration I have and wondering if anyone has heard of these people, assuming they were from Dumfries or surrounding areas with the JOHNSTONE name? Andrew McCREADIE b.1864 Scotland, father listed as JOHN & ISABELLA McCREADIE m. 1892 Victoria,B.C. Canada Jane JOHNSTONE b.1867 Scotland, daughter of JOHN & MARY JOHNSTONE Kind regards, Gloria

Hi List, would sks have a look for in any census JOHN HUNTER born Kirkmarbreck 1793 wife Mary child Elizabeth Hunter born 1844 Kirkcudbright much appreciated maggie [email protected]

Could I request that some kind person would look up the old Parish records for any fuller details of the undernoted. [1] Parish of KELLS - NEW GALLOWAY Christening of William Lindsay - 23rd March 1822 - Father : Daniel Lindsay Is there a mothers name or an address? [2] DALRY - KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE Birth or christening of Sarah Welsh around 1827/8

going on holiday. will resub when we get back ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: SCT-KIRKCUDBRIGHTSHIRE-D Digest V02 #19

I would be interested to hear from anyone descended from the Briggs/Bridge etc family of New Abbey (mainly Drum) and later Newbattle, Midlothian. Robert Carson, Glasgow, Scotland

HI there and thanks for opening this- I am trying to determine if William Wilson who married Elizabeth TURNER 8 Jul 1849 in Girthon, Kirkcudbright, Scotland are my ancestors who left Scotland in 1851 for the USA. If I can check for this couple in the area I could prehaps determine if they are the couple I am looking for- any help would be so appreciated! -Christiana

I am looking for John Wylie & Jemima Gibson, who married in 1804 in Wigtownshire, and were born, (I suspect) about 1780. I can't find trace of them in Wigtownshire, and hope to find evidence of them in Kirkcudbrightshire. Any help anyone please?? David

I was asked to post this on other lists by <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> to gauge the level of interest. Dear All: There is an emerging interest in looking at the possibility of developing a database of the DNA markers for the Scottish Clans and Septs. The Scottish clans are very unique in that the Clans have been identified and family relationships tracked for hundreds of years. Some Clan family have documented histories stretching back to before 1000 AD ( and some back to 500AD) . So this leads to some interesting possibilities of identifying current clan and sept family members and determining if the Scottish ancestry line can be identified. Some have cautioned: be careful because you may find out that you are not who you think you are :-). Non-paternity events were as frequent then as they are now. There is also an interesting mailing list here on Rootsweb : [email protected] It turns out that a couple of factors make this a very interesting study for the Clans to be involved in. A: The mtDNA passes down from mother to daughter only. So the matriarch of the family becomes clearly identified and traceable. Scottish history is one of the few in the world where female lineage was often documented. Note that non paternity events don't occur in this DNA since obviously the mother knows her daughter is her offspring. B: The Y DNA passes from father to son. There we can again provide a clear line of potential coordination between the written documentation and the DNA markers. There are some other fine points of the DNA identification and you can find out a lot more in the archives of the mailing list. Anybody that is really interested in participating should please reply to me at the email address below or reply to this message post. We need about 6-10 people for each group to make it meaninful. I will made arrangements to have this study posted as well. Please send or list only your surname , contact info and potential Clan association. I don't want to clog up the archives with a lot of "me too" emails and board posts. :-) Any comments or questions are appropriate to post. Someone will then contact you for further details and how to proceed. Please note there will probably be cost of some amount for the DNA test. I don't know what that amount is for the test but it is probably about $250. My initial survey indicates that we will want the 23 marker DNA test to get some definitive answers. I expect to get more details next week. Please feel free to pass this message along to other mailing lists and boards that may have a high per centage of Scottish Clan or Sept descendants. Should be an interesting database over the months and years :-) Was that my Chief ??? Best Regards John A Hansen [email protected] Clan Board and List Admin

I have reasonably good evidence that the following is my family. Now I am wondering how to get back further. I need to find where William and Margaret were born and the name of their parents. Son John was using the name McLeod and was in Wigtownshire at the time of the 1841 census. Any help would be appreciated. thanks, Darryl William Clurg and Margaret Mitchel married 6 June 1795 at Twynholm, Kirkcudbright, SCT Nicholas McClurg (F) christened 28 Apr. 1799 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William MClurg and Margaret Mitchell. Jennet McClurg (F) born 10 Jan. 1802 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William McClurg or Cloud and Margaret Mitchell. Alexander McClurg (M) christened 5 Aug. 1804 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William McClurg or Cloud and Margaret Mitchell. Jane McClurg (F) born 18 Aug. 1806 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William McClurg and Margaret Mitchell. John McClurg (M) born 5Apr. 1809 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William McClurg and Margaret Mitchel. William McClurg (M) born 4 Oct. 1811 at Borgue, Kircudbright, SCT; parents: William McClurg and Margaret Mitchel

Lorraine > Looking for any details, directory listings, advertisements, photographs, postcards, newspaper articles etc. that would connect to my GGGrandfather William Stewart born 1838 in Borgue. The Kirkcudbright Advertiser of 10 Feb. 1882 mentions 'Mr. Stewart's photographic saloon, Kirkcudbright'. In the 1881 Census, he is residing in Kirks Close, Kirkcudbright and occupation is listed as 'photographer'. I suggest you contact Peter at http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/index.htm. Although his interest is in Edinburgh I am sure he can point you in the right direction. Cheers! Marcel Photohistorian & collector geocities.com/brisphoto/ -- Marcel Safier PO Box 539 Annerley 4103 Queensland Australia [email protected]

Looking for any details, directory listings, advertisements, photographs, postcards, newspaper articles etc. that would connect to my GGGrandfather William Stewart born 1838 in Borgue. The Kirkcudbright Advertiser of 10 Feb. 1882 mentions 'Mr. Stewart's photographic saloon, Kirkcudbright'. In the 1881 Census, he is residing in Kirks Close, Kirkcudbright and occupation is listed as 'photographer'. Thanks for any assistance! Lorraine Powell River, BC Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/02

Dear All You may have spotted that I have been a little quiet in the past month. Thats because in the run up to and run down from the Christmas break I got all my mail and my family research notes into such a mess that I have been spending most of my time just trying to keep my head above water. I have now had to admit defeat. My own family lines have advanced so well in the past months, thanks mainly to these lists. For Christmas I produced a family book for my uncle - the book which would have been for my parents if they had not both died in the past year. He was absolutely delighted and it made the effort involved well worth while. Now I have decided to leave my family as it is for a month or so and see what I can do with my husbands Staffordshire lines which I havent really done anything with so far. (I dont even have birth dates for 3 of his grandparents). As well as that I need to go through all the entries in my family lines (4000+) and review all the rubbish which accumulates in there as a result of my untidy habit of scraping in notes from everywhere in case they may come in useful some day - which of course some often do. +I have lots of microfiche which havent even made it under the reader yet through lack of time. The one thing which is constantly at the back of my mind, every time I switch on the PC, is that I promised to do more MI lookups for Kirkcudbright. Can I please apologise for those I havent done and now put them to one side. I absolutely hate saying I will do something and then not doing it and I am really sorry. If anyone has any specifics they want looking up or if I owe anyone any other information then please email me off list and I will see what I can do. I think I took on too many lookups last time and Time and my Eyes and Neck couldnt keep up with the typing up. I will be back with my own family some time in March as I have a week off then which we will be spending baby- sitting my husbands grandchildren in Huddersfield. This of course is close to Rochdale so I am planning daily visits down there to the Local studies centre, cemetery etc - and maybe I can knock down some more brick walls. As soon as I am back I will resubscribe and pick up on the latest adventures of my Lancashire and Scottish families. Regards and good hunting in the meantime to everyone Joy

Hi List, would sks have a look for JOHN HUNTER BORN 1793 KIRKMARBRECK I had found a marriage for my John Hunter to a Elizabeth Gibson and today received a copy of death record for John Hunter married to Elizabeth, WRONG JOHN HUNTER so>>>>>>>I am starting again much appreciated Maggie [email protected]m.au

Hi List could sks have a look for JOHN HUNTER BORN KIRKMARBRECK 1793 WIFE MARY born 1811 RERRICK KIRKCUDRIGHT DAU.ELIZABETH HUNTER BORN 1844 KIRKCUDBRIGHT ANy help would be appreciated cheers maggie [email protected]