Wallace: I stand with you and will take the invective shoulder to shoulder regarding the use of Scotch-Irish in the context I am asking the question anyway. I shall be happy to elaborate on some tentative assumptions regarding Stuartstown and the settlers - give me a few days to sort out my research from my recent trip to Charleston and Beaufort, South Carolina, and correlate that with previous research regarding Erskine and the House of Dun. Would love to pinpoint the origin as the possibility raises a whole new theory in my mind regarding my own `story' of the Low's. One question that needs a response - where is Garvock? a parish in Kincardine, a river, a harbour or none of the above and relevant geographically to Edinburgh and Glasgow. The account I read in Charleston did not say that the `settlers' selected by the Lords Proprieters were Covenanters, but that Covenanters were transported from the toll booths of Edinburgh and Glasgow on the ship `Carolina Merchant'. The settlers were funded by the Lords Proprieters, who were loyal to the Stuart cause. For all you purists out there I am NOT making any claims, merely trying to ascertain the facts, just the facts!!! to anyone who reads, studies, researches and tries to reach the most accurate theory of history, there are many `facts' that do not add up to one cohesive whole. That is the fun of the chase. For example I once mentioned William Wallace and received a book length diatribe about one man's freedom fighter being another's terrorist! even in the11th century that argument was still going strong. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan Wallace Fullerton wrote: > Jennifer, > > For the record, it doesn't matter what you and I and anyone else thinks > regarding the word "Scotch" - no one anywhere in the world uses the term > "Scots-Irish" to describe those Scots who settled in Ireland (as the other > message said, mostly Ulster). The fact is that the term "Scotch-Irish" is > traditional and entirely correct in that particular context unless someone > feels so strongly about it that they want to make a real fuss. On the > other hand, I always use "Scots" when talking about those from > Scotland. [to others: please direct all invective directly to me if you > think my position is inane, offensive, or otherwise unwise! <grin>] > > Regarding those who came to StuartsTown . . . I know nothing about this > particular group but you have raised my interest with the reference to the > Erskines and Dun (in which my own family lived at about that same > time.) Noting that Edinburgh and Glasgow are not close by those counties, > I wonder if you might elaborate a little regarding your presumption that > this particular group came from Angus and Kincardine -- the connection > seems a stretch without more information. > > Since you mention that the group was loyal to the Stuarts, it might also be > worth your while to look into whether they were only Covenantors - I seem > to recall that there was an early Jacobian incident about that time as well > although I don't recall any details. > > Finally, just in case you run into anything regarding it, I'll mention a > coincident event -- another group of Scots from the Montrose area attempted > settlement of northern New Jersey at about the same time - this group > included several Quakers, among them at least three Fullertons of Kinnaber > , an estate just east of Dun on the River North Esk. Some of these > eventually returned to Scotland. > > I'd be pleased to hear of any progress you make on your project! > > Thanks!