Jennifer, Sounds like a fascinating line of research! Re Garvock, there are quite a few! One in Inverclyde, one in Aberdeenshire near Laurencekirk, one in Perth and one in Fife. Have a look at http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/Scotland/maps.html when you want to search for placename. regards, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Ryan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re: Covenantors, Dissenters, Scotch-Irish, and the new world > Wallace: I stand with you and will take the invective shoulder to shoulder > regarding the use of Scotch-Irish in the context I am asking the question > anyway. I shall be happy to elaborate on some tentative assumptions regarding > Stuartstown and the settlers - give me a few days to sort out my research from > my recent trip to Charleston and Beaufort, South Carolina, and correlate that > with previous research regarding Erskine and the House of Dun. Would love to > pinpoint the origin as the possibility raises a whole new theory in my mind > regarding my own `story' of the Low's. One question that needs a response - > where is Garvock? a parish in Kincardine, a river, a harbour or none of the > above and relevant geographically to Edinburgh and Glasgow. The account I read > in Charleston did not say that the `settlers' selected by the Lords Proprieters > were Covenanters, but that Covenanters were transported from the toll booths of > Edinburgh and Glasgow on the ship `Carolina Merchant'. The settlers were > funded by the Lords Proprieters, who were loyal to the Stuart cause. For all > you purists out there I am NOT making any claims, merely trying to ascertain > the facts, just the facts!!! to anyone who reads, studies, researches and > tries to reach the most accurate theory of history, there are many `facts' > that do not add up to one cohesive whole. That is the fun of the chase. For > example I once mentioned William Wallace and received a book length diatribe > about one man's freedom fighter being another's terrorist! even in the11th > century that argument was still going strong. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan > > > > > > Wallace Fullerton wrote: > > > Jennifer, > > > > For the record, it doesn't matter what you and I and anyone else thinks > > regarding the word "Scotch" - no one anywhere in the world uses the term > > "Scots-Irish" to describe those Scots who settled in Ireland (as the other > > message said, mostly Ulster). The fact is that the term "Scotch-Irish" is > > traditional and entirely correct in that particular context unless someone > > feels so strongly about it that they want to make a real fuss. On the > > other hand, I always use "Scots" when talking about those from > > Scotland. [to others: please direct all invective directly to me if you > > think my position is inane, offensive, or otherwise unwise! <grin>] > > > > Regarding those who came to StuartsTown . . . I know nothing about this > > particular group but you have raised my interest with the reference to the > > Erskines and Dun (in which my own family lived at about that same > > time.) Noting that Edinburgh and Glasgow are not close by those counties, > > I wonder if you might elaborate a little regarding your presumption that > > this particular group came from Angus and Kincardine -- the connection > > seems a stretch without more information. > > > > Since you mention that the group was loyal to the Stuarts, it might also be > > worth your while to look into whether they were only Covenantors - I seem > > to recall that there was an early Jacobian incident about that time as well > > although I don't recall any details. > > > > Finally, just in case you run into anything regarding it, I'll mention a > > coincident event -- another group of Scots from the Montrose area attempted > > settlement of northern New Jersey at about the same time - this group > > included several Quakers, among them at least three Fullertons of Kinnaber > > , an estate just east of Dun on the River North Esk. Some of these > > eventually returned to Scotland. > > > > I'd be pleased to hear of any progress you make on your project! > > > > Thanks! > > ______________________________