I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the more formal type performed by a minister. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 86 > > Today's Topics: > #1 1841 Census - Garvock ["Janet Connochie" <[email protected]] > #2 RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY [Ron Dempsey <[email protected]>] > #3 Marriage date clarification ["Lyndall" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SCT-KINCARDINE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: 1841 Census - Garvock > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 +1200 > From: "Janet Connochie" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi everyone, > > Well I've done it. Its only a small thing, but I have transcribed and > indexed that parish of Garvock in the 1841 census. ( I do mean > small, only 4 districts and a total population of 445 people). > > I have posted the index on my webpage > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~connochie/kcd/1841garv > ocksum.html > > (two line url). > > I have not yet put the transciption online, but this is available, by > request, as an excel97 (.xls) file 126kb in size. So just let me > know if you'd like a copy. > > -Best wishes > Janet Connochie > Christchurch, NZ > > (next I will be having a look at some other parishes on the film, > probaly Fordoun and Laurencekirk first) > > Here is a list of the surnames that appear (with number of > occurances). > > Airth 1 Alexander 4 Anderson 4 > Andrew 2 > Baird 1 Balfour 1 Barclay 1 > Beattie 1 Beddie 1 Bisset 4 > Black 2 Blackie 1 Blacklaws 2 > Bremner 2 Broom 1 Bruce 3 > Burness 9 > Cadenhead 1 Caird 1 Calder 1 > Card 1 Chalmers 1 Charles 1 > Chivey? 2 Christie 10 Christison 1 > Clark 8 Colboume? 1 Collie 2 > Cooper 2 Cowie? 3 Cramond 1 > Creall? 1 Croall 1 Crocket? 1 > Croll 1 Cruickshan 3 > Dallas 5 Donaldson 1 Duncan 13 > Durvie 1 Durwald 1 Duthie 1 > Edward 1 Elder 1 Emslie 1 > Falconer 6 Farquharson 1 Ferrier 1 > Fettes? 1 Fiddies? 1 Findlay 2 > Forbes 1 Forsyth 1 Fullerton 8 > Gall 3 Garden 2 Garvie 1 > Gibson 2 Glen 1 Gordon 5 > Gregory 1 Greig 1 Grower 7 > Harper 1 Henderson 1 Hogg 6 > Howie 6 Hutcheon 2 > Ireland 1 > Jaffray 1 Jeffry 1 Jervis 2 > Johnstone 1 Jolly 2 > Keith 3 Kinmont 1 Knox 1 > Laurence 1 Lindsay 6 Lochhead 1 > Logie 1 Loiv 1 Low 3 > Lyall 4 > Mach? 1 Main 1 Malcolm 1 > Marton 1 Masson 4 McGriggor 4 > McHardy 1 McKenzie 1 McLoid 1 > McRobie 1 Mearns 1 Milne 16 > Mitchell 2 Moir 3 Morgan 1 > Muckart 5 Mullison? 1 Munro 1 > Murray 19 > Napier 6 Nichol 14 Niddrie 5 > Orchardsto 1 > Paterson 6 Petrie 1 Pourtie? 1 > Pyper 1 > Rae 6 Robert 1 Robertson 8 > Rodger 2 Ross 4 Rue 1 > Scott 16 Sherik? 3 Simpson 1 > Smart 6 Smith 10 Soulter? 1 > Steel 5 Steele 10 Stephen 8 > Stewart 10 Strachan 2 Stuart 1 > Tavendale? 2 Taylor 9 Thomson 7 > Todd 1 Towns 4 > Valentine 2 > Walker 2 Wallace 4 Waltier 1 > Watt 2 White 1 Whyte 1 > Wilkie 1 Will 2 Williams? 1 > Willox 2 Wilson 4 Wishart 1 > Ynill 1 Young 3 > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:43:53 +0100 > From: Ron Dempsey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Jamie: > > I found this on the IGI: > Mary MACDONALD > Sex: F > > Marriage(s): > Spouse: Andrew LEES > Marriage: 1 Dec 1871 > Forfar, Angus, Scotland > > If you get a full copy of their marriage, it will give their names with > mothers' surnames. Since it was before 1876 the LDS should be able to get in > on microfilm for you to look at it. Any other questions send me an e. They > were born before 1855 which was the year of mandatory civil reg. > Ron > > >===== Original Message From "Jamie Lees D'Angelo" > <[email protected]> ===== > >Not sure if I am asking too much, if so let me know!! > > > >Is there a census or marriage record that someone could check? > >I am looking for the parents of Andrew LEES born in Montrose. Age 32 in the > >1881 census, married to Mary MacDonald also 32 in 1881 born in Dundee. > >Living in Forfar in 1881 on 79 Glamis with Elizabeth Jane age 7 > >Mary age 4 > >Andrew age 3 > >John M. age 1 > > > >Can anyone help? > > > >Best Regards, > >Jamie LEES > >Canada > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Get your free @ecosse.net account > http://www.ecosse.net > Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Marriage date clarification > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:51:51 +1000 > From: "Lyndall" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I hope that someone might help me to understand the following two OPRs for > the same couple. I do understand that that banns were called before actual > weddings took place, but these entries specifically state a date of > marriage...and the dates differ! Were they married on 28 December 1776? > Or were they married on 4 January 1777? Any advice will be greatly > appreciated. > > Parish Church of Fordoun > 1776 December 7th > Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were > contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, > they were married the 28th of December thereafter. > > Parish Church of Bervie > 1777 > Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this > Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon > Saturday January the fourth day. > > Thanks, > Lyndall > Canberra, Australia
The two records are indication of the banns being called at the couples churches, not of the actual wedding ceremony. I once thought the same as you until I came across two entries and no wedding. Best regards, Peter Peter E Dawkins (Sec) Howie Genealogy Society ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Re: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V01 #86 > I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally > thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in > that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein > the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most > brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding > hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the > more formal type performed by a minister. > > Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? > > Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Subject: > > > > SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 86 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 1841 Census - Garvock ["Janet Connochie" <[email protected]] > > #2 RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY [Ron Dempsey <[email protected]>] > > #3 Marriage date clarification ["Lyndall" <[email protected]>] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from SCT-KINCARDINE-D, send a message to > > > > [email protected] > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: 1841 Census - Garvock > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 +1200 > > From: "Janet Connochie" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Well I've done it. Its only a small thing, but I have transcribed and > > indexed that parish of Garvock in the 1841 census. ( I do mean > > small, only 4 districts and a total population of 445 people). > > > > I have posted the index on my webpage > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~connochie/kcd/1841garv > > ocksum.html > > > > (two line url). > > > > I have not yet put the transciption online, but this is available, by > > request, as an excel97 (.xls) file 126kb in size. So just let me > > know if you'd like a copy. > > > > -Best wishes > > Janet Connochie > > Christchurch, NZ > > > > (next I will be having a look at some other parishes on the film, > > probaly Fordoun and Laurencekirk first) > > > > Here is a list of the surnames that appear (with number of > > occurances). > > > > Airth 1 Alexander 4 Anderson 4 > > Andrew 2 > > Baird 1 Balfour 1 Barclay 1 > > Beattie 1 Beddie 1 Bisset 4 > > Black 2 Blackie 1 Blacklaws 2 > > Bremner 2 Broom 1 Bruce 3 > > Burness 9 > > Cadenhead 1 Caird 1 Calder 1 > > Card 1 Chalmers 1 Charles 1 > > Chivey? 2 Christie 10 Christison 1 > > Clark 8 Colboume? 1 Collie 2 > > Cooper 2 Cowie? 3 Cramond 1 > > Creall? 1 Croall 1 Crocket? 1 > > Croll 1 Cruickshan 3 > > Dallas 5 Donaldson 1 Duncan 13 > > Durvie 1 Durwald 1 Duthie 1 > > Edward 1 Elder 1 Emslie 1 > > Falconer 6 Farquharson 1 Ferrier 1 > > Fettes? 1 Fiddies? 1 Findlay 2 > > Forbes 1 Forsyth 1 Fullerton 8 > > Gall 3 Garden 2 Garvie 1 > > Gibson 2 Glen 1 Gordon 5 > > Gregory 1 Greig 1 Grower 7 > > Harper 1 Henderson 1 Hogg 6 > > Howie 6 Hutcheon 2 > > Ireland 1 > > Jaffray 1 Jeffry 1 Jervis 2 > > Johnstone 1 Jolly 2 > > Keith 3 Kinmont 1 Knox 1 > > Laurence 1 Lindsay 6 Lochhead 1 > > Logie 1 Loiv 1 Low 3 > > Lyall 4 > > Mach? 1 Main 1 Malcolm 1 > > Marton 1 Masson 4 McGriggor 4 > > McHardy 1 McKenzie 1 McLoid 1 > > McRobie 1 Mearns 1 Milne 16 > > Mitchell 2 Moir 3 Morgan 1 > > Muckart 5 Mullison? 1 Munro 1 > > Murray 19 > > Napier 6 Nichol 14 Niddrie 5 > > Orchardsto 1 > > Paterson 6 Petrie 1 Pourtie? 1 > > Pyper 1 > > Rae 6 Robert 1 Robertson 8 > > Rodger 2 Ross 4 Rue 1 > > Scott 16 Sherik? 3 Simpson 1 > > Smart 6 Smith 10 Soulter? 1 > > Steel 5 Steele 10 Stephen 8 > > Stewart 10 Strachan 2 Stuart 1 > > Tavendale? 2 Taylor 9 Thomson 7 > > Todd 1 Towns 4 > > Valentine 2 > > Walker 2 Wallace 4 Waltier 1 > > Watt 2 White 1 Whyte 1 > > Wilkie 1 Will 2 Williams? 1 > > Willox 2 Wilson 4 Wishart 1 > > Ynill 1 Young 3 > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:43:53 +0100 > > From: Ron Dempsey <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi Jamie: > > > > I found this on the IGI: > > Mary MACDONALD > > Sex: F > > > > Marriage(s): > > Spouse: Andrew LEES > > Marriage: 1 Dec 1871 > > Forfar, Angus, Scotland > > > > If you get a full copy of their marriage, it will give their names with > > mothers' surnames. Since it was before 1876 the LDS should be able to get in > > on microfilm for you to look at it. Any other questions send me an e. They > > were born before 1855 which was the year of mandatory civil reg. > > Ron > > > > >===== Original Message From "Jamie Lees D'Angelo" > > <[email protected]> ===== > > >Not sure if I am asking too much, if so let me know!! > > > > > >Is there a census or marriage record that someone could check? > > >I am looking for the parents of Andrew LEES born in Montrose. Age 32 in the > > >1881 census, married to Mary MacDonald also 32 in 1881 born in Dundee. > > >Living in Forfar in 1881 on 79 Glamis with Elizabeth Jane age 7 > > >Mary age 4 > > >Andrew age 3 > > >John M. age 1 > > > > > >Can anyone help? > > > > > >Best Regards, > > >Jamie LEES > > >Canada > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Get your free @ecosse.net account > > http://www.ecosse.net > > Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Marriage date clarification > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:51:51 +1000 > > From: "Lyndall" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > I hope that someone might help me to understand the following two OPRs for > > the same couple. I do understand that that banns were called before actual > > weddings took place, but these entries specifically state a date of > > marriage...and the dates differ! Were they married on 28 December 1776? > > Or were they married on 4 January 1777? Any advice will be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Parish Church of Fordoun > > 1776 December 7th > > Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were > > contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, > > they were married the 28th of December thereafter. > > > > Parish Church of Bervie > > 1777 > > Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this > > Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon > > Saturday January the fourth day. > > > > Thanks, > > Lyndall > > Canberra, Australia > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >
Date forwarded: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:35:40 -0600 Date sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:37:50 -0600 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V01 #86 To: [email protected] Forwarded by: [email protected] > I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally > thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in > that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein > the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most > brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding > hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the > more formal type performed by a minister. > > Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? > > Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) ** There are no double weddings in the OPRs. The Church of Scotland would not allow such a thing. What you are seeing is two records of the same marriage, with many of the records actually recording the calling of the banns inm two different parishes rather than the wedding ceremony, which is why you can get varying dates. Where both parties are resident in the one parish, you only get one record. If the OPR record has entries in one parish for both the banns and the mnarriage, the latter is what is indexed by the IGI. Professional Historical/Genealogical Researcher specialising in pre-1700 records. Trading as KinHelp. <http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm>