Hi: If I may jump in. Robert Burns was born in Ayrshire not Kincardineshire. However, his father William was from Glenbervie and moved south and married there. The Burness family as it was spelled in Kincardinshire have been documented ther as far back as 1690. Also possibly, The Perthshire ancestor may have been born there at a placed that started with Dun.... and sounded like Dunottar to the cencsus taker. It would bee worth checking out. Cheers >Hi Alex, > >I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a >birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker >didn't know which was the actual birthplace. > >I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). >I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, >but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is >still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. >There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish >born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and >Perthshire. > >Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in >Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just >outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the >genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web >site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the >site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. > >If I can be of any more help, please let me know. >Dianne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:01 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > >Hi, > >I need some help. > >I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, >which say that a relative was born at >Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. > >I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a >Town/Village called Dunnottar. > >The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and >Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. > >Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have >been changed since 1800..?? > >Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. > >I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, >Kincardineshire, is that true..?? > >Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to >near Stonehaven at one time..?? > >I'm really confused about this one. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jill Simon <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Mary Masson > >Hi :) >I found some information on the GRO Scots Origin site. In the 1891 census 2x >great-granny Mary Ann Burness has an adopted daughter Mary Masson age 9. >In the 1901 census Mary Masson adopted daughter age 18. >This was a surprise to me! I would love to find out more info about Mary >Masson. >Thanks >Jill :) >Nanaimo, BC > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Dianne Hendrix" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > >Thanks, I will post it to the list. >Dianne > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > > Burness Genealogy - Descendants of Walter Burness This is the Burness >web page Robert was born a Burness and changed it to Burns. I am also a >Burness way back. Mary > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Angie Pearson" <[email protected]> (by way of TCF <[email protected]>) >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help > >Can anyone tell me where Durrin Kincardinshire is.Does it still exist? >Ange > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: [email protected] >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] William Brown - Kincardine > >Hi, > >Can anyone help. > >My Brown family trail is now at >Kincardineshire, Scotland. > >I'm searching for Birth details of my Gr.Gr.Grandfather William Brown. > >I have quite a lot of details on him. > >He married Margaret Arbuckle, at Gorbals, >Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1819, so I guess he would have been born c. 1790-1800. >William and Margaret had a large family. > >He married Grace McMurray, at Rutherglen, >Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1851. > >I have him and his family on the 1851 Census, living at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. > >According to the details given on the Census, he was 46, and his birth place was Perthshire, Dunnottar. > >This is obviously a mistake, and should have been Kincardineshire, Dunnottar. > >I've found his Death details, and these seem >to confuse things even more. > >He died in 1880, aged 69, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The informant was his >Son, John Brown. Obviously the sums don't add up. > >The Parent details given add more confusion, >Father, James Brown, Engine Keeper, >Mother, not given. > >I wonder if William's son has made it up, or maybe he just didn't know. > >The Scottish naming pattern is evident all through my family, from myself back to William, where I think I've hit a brick wall. > >I had been expecting his father to be William also. > >Anyone come across this William Brown..?? > >Are there any sites that I can visit where I can get more details about the 'Brown' families in Kincardineshire..?? > > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Aye your right Ron, Burns's forefathers had some association with the Mearns but I'm sorry to say there is never been a serious suggestion he was born any where near Kincardineshire. There was in the 1950's - and may still be -a Burns Fatherland Club in Stonehaven. Perhaps I remember because I'm the proud owner of a book which was given to me, at the age of 12 years as a prize from the club for an essay on Burns. Never hit that dizzy heights of literary acclaim again though!! However I'm no authority on Burns , I'm not too bad at mediaeval history. One thing I have learned - check my sources before I write and if I can't prove it, leave it alone, there is enough misinformation with out my adding to it. I'm sorry to say Kincardineshire as such no longer officially exists having been swallowed by its northern neighbour in a governmental reshuffle. rgds John, an auld Stoney Loon. -------Original Message------- From: Ron Dempsey Date: 12 March 2002 12:17:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] RE: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V02 #34 Hi: If I may jump in. Robert Burns was born in Ayrshire not Kincardineshire. However, his father William was from Glenbervie and moved south and married there. The Burness family as it was spelled in Kincardinshire have been documented ther as far back as 1690. Also possibly, The Perthshire ancestor may have been born there at a placed that started with Dun.... and sounded like Dunottar to the cencsus taker. It would bee worth checking out. Cheers >Hi Alex, > >I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a >birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker >didn't know which was the actual birthplace. > >I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). >I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, >but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is >still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. >There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish >born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and >Perthshire. > >Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in >Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just >outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the >genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web >site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the >site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. > >If I can be of any more help, please let me know. >Dianne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:01 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > >Hi, > >I need some help. > >I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, >which say that a relative was born at >Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. > >I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a >Town/Village called Dunnottar. > >The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and >Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. > >Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have >been changed since 1800..?? > >Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. > >I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, >Kincardineshire, is that true..?? > >Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to >near Stonehaven at one time..?? > >I'm really confused about this one. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jill Simon <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Mary Masson > >Hi :) >I found some information on the GRO Scots Origin site. In the 1891 census 2x >great-granny Mary Ann Burness has an adopted daughter Mary Masson age 9. >In the 1901 census Mary Masson adopted daughter age 18. >This was a surprise to me! I would love to find out more info about Mary >Masson. >Thanks >Jill :) >Nanaimo, BC > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Dianne Hendrix" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > >Thanks, I will post it to the list. >Dianne > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > > Burness Genealogy - Descendants of Walter Burness This is the Burness >web page Robert was born a Burness and changed it to Burns. I am also a >Burness way back. Mary > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Angie Pearson" <[email protected]> (by way of TCF <[email protected]>) >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help > >Can anyone tell me where Durrin Kincardinshire is.Does it still exist? >Ange > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: [email protected] >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] William Brown - Kincardine > >Hi, > >Can anyone help. > >My Brown family trail is now at >Kincardineshire, Scotland. > >I'm searching for Birth details of my Gr.Gr.Grandfather William Brown. > >I have quite a lot of details on him. > >He married Margaret Arbuckle, at Gorbals, >Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1819, so I guess he would have been born c. 1790-1800. >William and Margaret had a large family. > >He married Grace McMurray, at Rutherglen, >Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1851. > >I have him and his family on the 1851 Census, living at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. > >According to the details given on the Census, he was 46, and his birth place was Perthshire, Dunnottar. > >This is obviously a mistake, and should have been Kincardineshire, Dunnottar. > >I've found his Death details, and these seem >to confuse things even more. > >He died in 1880, aged 69, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The informant was his >Son, John Brown. Obviously the sums don't add up. > >The Parent details given add more confusion, >Father, James Brown, Engine Keeper, >Mother, not given. > >I wonder if William's son has made it up, or maybe he just didn't know. > >The Scottish naming pattern is evident all through my family, from myself back to William, where I think I've hit a brick wall. > >I had been expecting his father to be William also. > >Anyone come across this William Brown..?? > >Are there any sites that I can visit where I can get more details about the 'Brown' families in Kincardineshire..?? > > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .