Hello again, Grant, how are you? Are you aware of the 1841 census which shows Elizabeth Mather in Johnshaven with a son Edward Duncan aged 1? I have recently discovered (through a helpful approach suggested by Gordon McLeod) the five children born to Elizabeth Torrie and James Mather according to the IGI. Interesting to see that after the first child was born in St Cyrus in 1824, the family had moved to Johnshaven by 1827. Also interesting to realise that James Mather was aged 50 to 63 when the children were born. And he was not on the 1841 census, presumably deceased. We are planning to visit Johnshaven in September. Will we see you there? Cheers Jim Murray

Hi Jim, Yes, that Edward is my great-great grandfather Edwin. For some reason the 1841 census doesn't have James Duncan in the same household but he was with Elizabeth, Edward/Edwin and a group of her children from her marriage to James Mather (although not Helen). But I've seen the census document and know that they were all in the same household. Yes, James Mather and Elizabeth Torrie married in St Cyrus before making the short journey to Johnshaven to live/work there. As for James Mather being deceased by 1841, I have no way of knowing. He wasn't listed as deceased on his son John's marriage cert. in the 1860's but none of the certificates are totally reliable. I have no plans at the moment to head north to Johnshaven (I'm in Arbroath) but have a great trip! Regards, Grant Cargill -----Original Message----- From: diana murray [mailto:littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk] Sent: 02 July 2005 07:35 To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Benholm Ancestors Hello again, Grant, how are you? Are you aware of the 1841 census which shows Elizabeth Mather in Johnshaven with a son Edward Duncan aged 1? I have recently discovered (through a helpful approach suggested by Gordon McLeod) the five children born to Elizabeth Torrie and James Mather according to the IGI. Interesting to see that after the first child was born in St Cyrus in 1824, the family had moved to Johnshaven by 1827. Also interesting to realise that James Mather was aged 50 to 63 when the children were born. And he was not on the 1841 census, presumably deceased. We are planning to visit Johnshaven in September. Will we see you there? Cheers Jim Murray ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx