There are a lot of people in St Abbs berwickshire with the surname Crowe .St Abbs is a fishing Com and years ago some of the men fished at Gourdon and Johnshaven. Regards Bernadine ----- Original Message ----- From: "rooks.haven" <rooks.haven@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 5:22 AM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Fw: Crow, Valentine. > Subject: Crow, Valentine. > > > > Posting my interest in both the Crow and Valentine surnames. > > Around Laurencekirk and Marykirk areas. > > I would like to hear from anyone who is also interested in those names. > > > > Colin Crowe. > > New Zealand. > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

There are lots of Valentines in Kincardine. Do you have any specific people you are interested in? Doreen Cuthbert

Hi Ken, I would be interested to know if you have an Agnes Robb born about 1767 in Banchory-Devenick, I believe. She married William Hadden 1787 also at Banchory-Devenick. They apparently moved to Fetteresso soon after the marriage. I have a slight problem with some of the information on this family and would love to hear from anyone who knows them. Thanks, Helen Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Coull To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] James Robb Kathy, Yes James Milne ROBB was born 28 June 1864 Arbuthnott parish to David ROBB & Ann ROSS (m. 26 June 1848 Garvock parish). I wonder if someone in the USA perhaps misheard "William" for "Milne"? Here he is in the 1881 Census in Laurencekirk: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 79 Johnston St Census Place: Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203470 GRO Ref Volume 263 EnumDist 4 Page 6 William DAVIDSON M 56 M Rothes, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Horse Breaker Jane DAVIDSON M 59 F Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife >>James ROBB U 16 M Arbuthnott, Kincardine, Scotland<< Rel: Serv Occ: Groom Joseph SINCLAIR U 22 M Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Drapers Assistant Charles MARTIN U 21 M Logie Pert, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Drapers Assistant I have additional ancestry for both David ROBB and Ann ROSS if you contact me off line. Ken > > From: > "Helen Miller" <hesmlr@earthlink.net> > > > > Kathy, > > On IGI there was a James MILNE Robb born 28 June 1864 - not 1865 in > Arbuthnott, Kcd. Could this be your James? If so, his parents were > David Robb and Ann Ross. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Supplee" > <tarotkathy@cybortronics.com> > >> I am looking for information on James William Robb born June 28,1865 in >> kincardenshie Scotland He was a silver and a gold miner in Colorado. I >> believe he came to America in 1891, age 26. In the US census it >> states that >> he came to the US in 1885. >> >> Kathy Supplee > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Ken W -----Original Message----- From: Ken Coull [mailto:kcoull@shaw.ca] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:05 PM To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] James Robb Kathy, Yes James Milne ROBB was born 28 June 1864 Arbuthnott parish to David ROBB & Ann ROSS (m. 26 June 1848 Garvock parish). I wonder if someone in the USA perhaps misheard "William" for "Milne"? Here he is in the 1881 Census in Laurencekirk: 1881 Census: Dwelling: 79 Johnston St Census Place: Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203470 GRO Ref Volume 263 EnumDist 4 Page 6 William DAVIDSON M 56 M Rothes, Elgin, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Horse Breaker Jane DAVIDSON M 59 F Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife >>James ROBB U 16 M Arbuthnott, Kincardine, Scotland<< Rel: Serv Occ: Groom Joseph SINCLAIR U 22 M Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Drapers Assistant Charles MARTIN U 21 M Logie Pert, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Drapers Assistant I have additional ancestry for both David ROBB and Ann ROSS if you contact me off line. Ken > > From: > "Helen Miller" <hesmlr@earthlink.net> > > > > Kathy, > > On IGI there was a James MILNE Robb born 28 June 1864 - not 1865 in > Arbuthnott, Kcd. Could this be your James? If so, his parents were > David Robb and Ann Ross. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Supplee" > <tarotkathy@cybortronics.com> > >> I am looking for information on James William Robb born June 28,1865 in >> kincardenshie Scotland He was a silver and a gold miner in Colorado. I >> believe he came to America in 1891, age 26. In the US census it >> states that >> he came to the US in 1885. >> >> Kathy Supplee > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Margaret, Was happy to try to help although Malcom came through with much more. I too was interested in his answer to you. I'd like to mention to you that this is the same area many of my Hadden's lived. Do you have any Hadden's in your tree? If so, we need to talk some more!! Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: margaret porter To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:43 PM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re.re. Cotbank,Glenbervie Helen, Thank you very much for the info on the map of Glenbervie. It is exactly the one that Malcolm from the Kincardineshire list sent me. I really do appreciate the help you have given me, and I have since receiving this info. ordered a map to be sent to me. Thank you, Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Helen, Thank you very much for the info on the map of Glenbervie. It is exactly the one that Malcolm from the Kincardineshire list sent me. I really do appreciate the help you have given me, and I have since receiving this info. ordered a map to be sent to me. Thank you, Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net

Malcolm, Thank you so very much for the info.regarding Cotbank, and also the map website. It is exactly what I was looking for . I have just ordered the map that you told me about. This map also shows the names of some of the other places I was looking for in Glenbervie. Thank you so much, Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net

Cotbank lies about 3km NW of the village of Drumlithie and is marked on the current Landranger OS map No45 at grid ref NO763828 You can view this online by using http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ Scroll to the bottom of this page to proceed and enter the grid ref NO763828 in the search box on the window that appears. Hope this helps. Malcolm

Margaret, I don't pretend to know much about Scot locations but I do have a map of Stonehaven and Banchory a friend brought me from Scotland last year and did find 'Cotbank of Barras' east and slightly south of Glenbervie on # 113. I 'think' it is the name of a farm and is surrounded by Little Barras, Mitton of Barras, Chapel of Barras, Little Barras, Leys Hill, etc. - almost due west of Catterline. This is an Ordnance Survey map 45 by Landranger Map. Can I try to scan you part of it? Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret porter" <mporter@tcsn.net> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie > Hi Bob,(Shand), > Thank you so very much for the info on 'where is Cotbank/Coatbank, in > Kincardinshire. Also for the web sit for the map. I have the marriage > certificate for John Ker/Kerr and Barbara Edward, in Glenbervie, and he is > stated as being from Cotbank. The marriage took place in 1794. in > Glenbervie. Is it possible that Cotbank was the name of a farm there????. > You mention that Cotbank was in Banchory Devenick, but were the boundaries > changed since 1794??? John Ker also had some brothers and one of them was > William Ker, who lived at Laddlestone, and they (John and William) were > also the witnesses for the baptism of some of the children born to both of > them. . All the baptisms took place in Glenbervie. When I looked at the > map, I couldn't see any name of Laddlestone or Cowden, which was also > another name that was mentioned in some of the papers that I have. > I do appreciate your help, and will go on from here and order another map > of the district, and it might help me more. Thanking you, Margaret Porter > mporter@tcsn.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bob shand" <bobshand@beeb.net> > To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:40 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie > > >> Hi Margaret, >> >> Probably a different place altogether, but there is a Cotbank in >> Kincardineshire, in Banchory Devenick / Blairs. It is near the gate to >> what is now Ardoe House Hotel. >> http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=390000&Y=802000&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=1&scale=25000 >> >> My g-g-g grandmother Christian DUNCAN (nee CRAIG) lived there at the time >> of the 1881 census and died there in 1888. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Bob Shand >> Gartocharn, Loch Lomond >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "margaret porter" <mporter@tcsn.net> >> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:21 PM >> Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie >> >> >>> My gt. gt. grandfather was born in Cotbank/Coatbank, in >>> Glenbervie,Kincardineshire, in 1760, his name was John Ker.I have >>> ordered old maps of the area,but still can't find where Cotbank/Coatbank >>> is. Has anyone heard of this place, and if so, where on the map is it. >>> Thanking you,Margaret Porter >>> mporter@tcsn.net >>> >>> >> >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Bob,(Shand), Thank you so very much for the info on 'where is Cotbank/Coatbank, in Kincardinshire. Also for the web sit for the map. I have the marriage certificate for John Ker/Kerr and Barbara Edward, in Glenbervie, and he is stated as being from Cotbank. The marriage took place in 1794. in Glenbervie. Is it possible that Cotbank was the name of a farm there????. You mention that Cotbank was in Banchory Devenick, but were the boundaries changed since 1794??? John Ker also had some brothers and one of them was William Ker, who lived at Laddlestone, and they (John and William) were also the witnesses for the baptism of some of the children born to both of them. . All the baptisms took place in Glenbervie. When I looked at the map, I couldn't see any name of Laddlestone or Cowden, which was also another name that was mentioned in some of the papers that I have. I do appreciate your help, and will go on from here and order another map of the district, and it might help me more. Thanking you, Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob shand" <bobshand@beeb.net> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:40 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie > Hi Margaret, > > Probably a different place altogether, but there is a Cotbank in > Kincardineshire, in Banchory Devenick / Blairs. It is near the gate to > what is now Ardoe House Hotel. > http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=390000&Y=802000&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=1&scale=25000 > > My g-g-g grandmother Christian DUNCAN (nee CRAIG) lived there at the time > of the 1881 census and died there in 1888. > > Best wishes, > > Bob Shand > Gartocharn, Loch Lomond > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret porter" <mporter@tcsn.net> > To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:21 PM > Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie > > >> My gt. gt. grandfather was born in Cotbank/Coatbank, in >> Glenbervie,Kincardineshire, in 1760, his name was John Ker.I have ordered >> old maps of the area,but still can't find where Cotbank/Coatbank is. Has >> anyone heard of this place, and if so, where on the map is it. Thanking >> you,Margaret Porter >> mporter@tcsn.net >> >> > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hello Listers: Has anyone any connection with the family of Roderick MacKenzie of Glaschoil, do not know his date of birth but died ca 1809, possibly in or near Garve? Shirley McCormick

Dear all, I have an ancestor James DOW shoemaker (b.18/9/1808 Skene - d.25 June 1889) who had parents Lewis DOW and Elizabeth DEANS While looking on the Scotlandspeople website I downloaded a possible ancestor, Lewis DOW, labourer, who 4th feb 1856 died who is buried (accoring to his death certificate) in Banchory Ternan in Kincardine, originally from 'Glenbucket )Glenbuchat? Aberdeenshire. This was the only death on the cvil register but my interest was not too piqued until I found the following on the FreeCEN: Piece: SCT1841/252 Place: Banchory-Ternan-Kincardineshire Enumeration District: 9 Civil Parish: Banchory Ternan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 9 Page: 7 Address: Crownest Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks DOW Lewis M 58 Ag.Lab Outside Census County (1841) DOW Elisabeth F 64 Outside Census County (1841) Thus - is there a MI for Banchory Ternan churchyard (couldn't find one on ANESFHS website) and/or can someone check 1851 Kincardine census which may have more info? cheers Cas Liber

Hi Jim, Thanks! As for the 1851 census for Benholm/Johnshaven I've accessed the fiche once at the family history centre in Dundee and also at Stonehaven library. Perhaps you will have the opportunity to visit Stonehaven when you are up that way? Regards, Grant Cargill -----Original Message----- From: diana murray [mailto:littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk] Sent: 23 July 2005 18:51 To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Any assistance welcome Hi Grant, I can't offer any inspired ideas for pinning down James Duncan but I will keep my ears to the ground when I visit Kincardine in late September. By the way how do you get your hands on the 1851 census for Johnshaven? Jim Murray ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi Grant, I can't offer any inspired ideas for pinning down James Duncan but I will keep my ears to the ground when I visit Kincardine in late September. By the way how do you get your hands on the 1851 census for Johnshaven? Jim Murray

Hi Margaret, Probably a different place altogether, but there is a Cotbank in Kincardineshire, in Banchory Devenick / Blairs. It is near the gate to what is now Ardoe House Hotel. http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=390000&Y=802000&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=pc&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&zm=1&scale=25000 My g-g-g grandmother Christian DUNCAN (nee CRAIG) lived there at the time of the 1881 census and died there in 1888. Best wishes, Bob Shand Gartocharn, Loch Lomond ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret porter" <mporter@tcsn.net> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Where is Cotbank, in Glenbervie > My gt. gt. grandfather was born in Cotbank/Coatbank, in > Glenbervie,Kincardineshire, in 1760, his name was John Ker.I have ordered > old maps of the area,but still can't find where Cotbank/Coatbank is. Has > anyone heard of this place, and if so, where on the map is it. Thanking > you,Margaret Porter > mporter@tcsn.net > >

Margaret, At one time I thought I had a relative by the name of Mary Ken of that area - didn't work out. But in the searches I did, I found her registered as KER, KEN and KEAN. OPRs I've seen with that name, it's almost impossible to tell if the spelling should be Ker or Ken so I'd like to suggest you search for the different spellings. Good Luck and hope you find what you're looking for. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret porter" <mporter@tcsn.net> To: <SCT-KINCARDINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re. Ker/Kerr and Edward > Hi All, I am researching my family of Ker/Kerr from Glenbervie,Kincardine, > and hope that someone may have some connections. > John Ker/Kerr married Barbara Edward in Glenbervie in 1794. He died before > 1851, possibly in Aberdeenshire. Barbara died in 1851 in New Deer.(I > think). They had a son Robert,John and also a daughter Christiana, but > quite a few more. John died in 1855 in Old Maud ,New Deer, Christiana also > died there. Robert possibly died in England,unknown, but possibly in > Herefordshire or Lancashire around 1852. > I 'm hoping that someone out there has some connections to this family, > and would like to hear from them Thanking you, Margaret Porter > mporter@tcsn.net > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi All, I am researching my family of Ker/Kerr from Glenbervie,Kincardine, and hope that someone may have some connections. John Ker/Kerr married Barbara Edward in Glenbervie in 1794. He died before 1851, possibly in Aberdeenshire. Barbara died in 1851 in New Deer.(I think). They had a son Robert,John and also a daughter Christiana, but quite a few more. John died in 1855 in Old Maud ,New Deer, Christiana also died there. Robert possibly died in England,unknown, but possibly in Herefordshire or Lancashire around 1852. I 'm hoping that someone out there has some connections to this family, and would like to hear from them Thanking you, Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net

Hi Everyone, This is related to some of my Johnshaven/Benholm ancestors (no pun intended). My great-great-great grandfather James Duncan who has proven the most mysterious of all my ancestors was supposedly born circa 1806 in Johnshaven (according to the 1851 census) but there is no sign of him in the IGI. I have also never found any record of a marriage or a death for him. The name is quite common in the Kincardine area, which can pose a problem. He lived with Elizabeth Torrie/Mather in Johnshaven at least between 1840-1844, and they had two children. Elizabeth was either married/widowed when living with James as she had several children to James Mathers (another person who has been impossilbe to trace). To my knowledge most children born outwith marriage at that time appear to have been registered anyway. Yet like their father the two sons are nowhere to be seen. I know that Elizabeth was Church of Scotland and wondered if anyone thought that James could well have been catholic. This would have probably stopped a potential marriage (assuming neither was married) and I would think stop the births being registered with the Church of Scotland. I went to the National Archives in Edinburgh yesterday to check the catholic records for Blairs but they were few and far between. I would love any fresh thoughts or perspective from any kind person out there!

The 1841 census has a James Duncan 25, Elizabeth Duncan 35, and William Duncan 3 in Johnshaven. There is an older 35 year old James Duncan, same area. Possibly looking for William Duncan's birth might give some clues. Gordon McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Cargill <Gcargill@btinternet.com> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:04 am Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Any assistance welcome > Hi Everyone, > > This is related to some of my Johnshaven/Benholm ancestors (no pun > intended). > > My great-great-great grandfather James Duncan who has proven the most > mysterious of all my ancestors was supposedly born circa 1806 in > Johnshaven(according to the 1851 census) but there is no sign of > him in the IGI. I > have also never found any record of a marriage or a death for him. > The name > is quite common in the Kincardine area, which can pose a problem. > > He lived with Elizabeth Torrie/Mather in Johnshaven at least between > 1840-1844, and they had two children. Elizabeth was either > married/widowedwhen living with James as she had several children > to James Mathers (another > person who has been impossilbe to trace). To my knowledge most > childrenborn outwith marriage at that time appear to have been > registered anyway. > Yet like their father the two sons are nowhere to be seen. I know > thatElizabeth was Church of Scotland and wondered if anyone > thought that James > could well have been catholic. This would have probably stopped a > potentialmarriage (assuming neither was married) and I would think > stop the births > being registered with the Church of Scotland. > > I went to the National Archives in Edinburgh yesterday to check > the catholic > records for Blairs but they were few and far between. > > I would love any fresh thoughts or perspective from any kind > person out > there! > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family > and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

My gt. gt. grandfather was born in Cotbank/Coatbank, in Glenbervie,Kincardineshire, in 1760, his name was John Ker.I have ordered old maps of the area,but still can't find where Cotbank/Coatbank is. Has anyone heard of this place, and if so, where on the map is it. Thanking you,Margaret Porter mporter@tcsn.net