Hi Kincardine list. I believe I have made this request before but am reminded because of the current thread regarding meaning of names. I am trying to find out whether any records of estate management, especially those regarding tenants, might be archived anywhere. Specficially - James Low is listed on his children's birth records as `Tenant at Crawton'. Crawton is a tiny hamlet between Dunottar and Caterline (about three miles south of Stonehaven) and the two most likely candidates for owners of this land would be 1) The Earls Marischal, owners of Dunottar Castle, although they lost it following the 1705 rebellion only to get it back later and 2) Barclay of Urie. James Low died aged 49 in 1781, leaving a widow and eight children ranging from 14 years old to a babe in arms. I am trying to determine whether the widow and children would have been allowed to remain on the farm and work it or whether in fact they would have had to leave. Later records show that the oldest son's family were all born in Fettercairn, the town about ten miles away, where James Low's widow, Catherine Croll, was from. Does anyone know if these records exist? and if so, where might they be? Jennifer Guthrie Ryan

Hello Listers, I thought I'd post the names of the families I'm tracing in Kincardine. The Christie line were whitefishers from Skateraw. Peter Christie married Margaret Brodie and had a son James, born in 1790 (d. 1870), and a daughter Jane b.1799 d. 1861. James Christie married Margaret Masson (b. 1797 d. 1854), and they had (amongst others) a son John Christie (b. 1832 d. 1909) who married Isabella Masson (b. 1835 d. 1908). Isabella Masson's parents were William Masson (b. 1799) and Isabella Craig (b. 1800). John and Isabella Christie had a son James (amongst others) b. 1860 who married Elizabeth Wood (b. 1862). Elizabeth's parents were James Wood (b. 1829) and Margaret Robertson (b. 1826). Many of the Christie and Masson's were buried in the Cowie Graveyard, however the younger generation starting with James (b 1860) moved to Stonehaven. If any of you are tracing these lines I would love to hear from you. Judy Geddes Alberta, Canada

Hi listers, Some of the placenames in Kincardine puzzle me. Does anyone know the meaning of the following please? is there a site or a list where I can find out? Mains - as in Mains of Thornton Strath - Little Strath and Meikle Strath muir - Luthermuir, Blackiemuir and also Muir of Blackiemuir Mill - lots of mills on the map but what kinds of mills were they? Thanks, Heather Armstrong

Hi Wally and other listers, Wally wrote: "Can anyone please help me by telling me about Kincardine, is it a town or a province? What about Marykirk and Garvock? Is anyone researching this family that can help.Are there relations of this line still living in these towns today that I may contact." Kincardine was a shire (province in NZ I guess) but now it is part of Aberdeenshire. Marykirk and Garvock are/were towns or villages and also parishes. An interesting site I have found is the Post Office site: http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/ Type in Marykirk (or wherever) and up comes a site centred around this village. Ok there isn't much there yet but I did find a link to Multimap.com which centres on the Marykirk area. I changed the scale to 1:25000 and then by using the arrow keys to scroll around and printing each section of map I was able to cut and paste (the old fashioned way with scissors and the sticky stuff) a modern map of just the areas I was interested in of a scale I could read easily. It was good enough to trace most of the route of the 1861 census enumerator near Laurencekirk. There is also a noticeboard on ukvillages. I was tempted to post a message to see if any descendants of my family were still there but I didn't try it. Not sure if it was appropriate. Has anyone tried leaving a message? Laurencekirk site has a link with photos of the church and other scenes of that area. I have also purchased (in NZ) a map, Victorian Ordnance Survey Maps of Scotland sheet 57 (first edition revised to 1869) which has Marykirk on it. However the writing is very small and not easy for me to read. I am interested in Fettercairn, Benholm, Laurencekirk and am not sure which sheet would have these or whether there is a larger scale map available. Hope this is of some help. Heather Armstrong New Zealand

For all newbies ......and anyone on this list who hasn't already visited, may I strongly recommend a visit to http://www3.sympatico.ca/jburness/burness.html John Burness has done a one name study on BURNESS originating in Kincardineshire.(from whom Robbie Burns is descended). He has a database of over 15000 names and I doubt there is a Kincardineshire name missing!! Pam Manning

Re-entering some of my names from the Hurlford area before 1860 . The ARNOTT family worked on the railroad and subsequently moved to Glasgow area. Thanks Pam for the Burness reference. Its great..Chris Hawkins, Venice, CA, USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Jan...I have some Watson ties out of Broughty Ferry, Dundee who married into the Venables family of Whitchurch, Salop area. Also may have some Wood family from Whitchurch. The Lea family from Whitchurch also in tied in there. Also Millar/Miller from Scotland....may be the Fife or Forfar Counties for Millar. Have you tried the Scot Orig web site (it is a pay per page one, but you can get quite a bit of guessing in before you purchase a download!). Best Luck, Linda in America (Washington State) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 8:00 AM Subject: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V01 #66

Hi Ruth Does the name Janet DONALD mean anything to you. She was born Dec 1790, at Nigg, Kincardine, married James STEWART April 4 1812, died 1865. She was the daughter of William DONALD and Isabel BOOTH. Also, can you tell me Ken Coull's website address. Regards Jo Myers in New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Edwards <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 10 June, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: Re Donald for Jacqueline > Hi Jacqueline, > sorry, don't know of any family back that far only from 1809 onwards, in Fordoun, but, we did have Catherine running through the family, another thing, is the Adam/Adams, my Grandmother was Isabella Donald Strachan, married a Thomas Aitchison, 1900 in Laurencekirk, came to Australia in 1927 with husband and children, now in 1945 she had a post card of " The Clatterin Brig " and it was sent to her from a Janet Adam, nee Falconer, never found out what the connection was. > Have you been in contact with Ken Coull, he has a web page with Donald's from that area. > Ruth Edwards > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Hi folks Sorry, I am still having computer problems :( consequently I have lost those requests I received over the past 24 hours. Can anyone who contacted me please resend your request, hopefully problems are now solved. List of what I can access: Pre-1855 Monumental Inscriptions for the Mearns (old name for Kincardineshire) Parish of Strachan MI booklet Census: Banchory Ternan (1841) Durris (1851) Fettercairn (1841) Fetteresso (1841) Fordoun (1841) Strachan (1841 1851 1861) For anyone researching in BIRSE (census for 1841 1851 1861 1871 1881 1891) plus monumental inscriptions and Lists of Inhabitants which predate the 1841 census. I am always interested to hear from anyone who has connections to Birse or to the Forest of Birse in particular. Best wishes Sharon researching GLASS EMSLIE COUTTS McKONDACH and GORDON in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire special interests in parish of BIRSE, and the area of the FOREST OF BIRSE

Hi, I am new to this list. I am researching Mary Wood, born 1837 in Fetteresso, daughter of George Wood and Cecilia Watson. Mary married William Scorgie, son of John Scorgie and Jane Adams, Dec. 1856 in Fetteresso. I am also interested in James Middleton, born about 1834 in Fetteresso. He married Mary Ann Young, born about 1843 in Benholm, June 6, 1852. I would be glad to hear from anyone who is also interested in any of these names. Thanks. Jan, Canada

Hi everyone, I am new to the list and am looking for information about Alexander SHAW who married Jean/Jane GLENNIE at Fetterresso approx. 1824. Their children John and Mary came to Australia about 1855 and settled. Are these names common to the area of Kincardineshire? Thanks Cath in Australia.

I have a JOSEPH BOOTH married to an ELSPET CHRISTIE, date unknown They had at least three children, THOMAS c 21/3/1782 in Durris, Robert c 12/4/1784 in Durris, HELLEN c 12/4/1784. Thomas may have moved to Banff before 1798, but not sure if all the family moved. I believe I may have a marriage for Robert and Hellen in Aberdeenshire but nothing proven as yet. Thomas was in Aberdeen around the 1820's or thereabouts before moving to Old Deer. I have information on his family. I would appreciate exchange of information on this family. May

Hi List & Wally, I also have NIDDRIEs from the Garvock area, and one who came to New Zealand too. 1-William Niddrie b: 1769, d: 8 Dec 1847, (Garvock, Kincardine, Scotland) sp: Mary Stott b: 1785, d: 8 Oct 1845, (Garvock, Kincardine, Scotland) 2-Alexander Niddrie b: 1819, Garvock, Kincardine, Scotland, d: 10 Sep 1884, (Garvock, Kincardine, Scotland) sp: Helen McPherson b: 1817, Aberlour, Banff, Scotland, d: 17 Oct 1894, Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland 3-Alexander Niddrie b: Abt 1842, d: 1880 sp: Annie Crow b: Abt 1832, Fordoun, Kincardine, Scotland |--4-Ann Niddrie b: 25 Jul 1865, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland |--4-Helen McPherson Niddrie b: 6 Dec 1867, Stirling, Stirling, Scotland, | d: 27 Jun 1952, Christchurch, New Zealand | sp: John Barr b: 1 Jan 1867, d: 7 Dec 1930, Christchurch, New Zealand |--4-James Valentine Niddrie b: 25 Jan 1870, Stirling, Stirling, Scotland > Can anyone please > help me by telling me about Kincardine, is it a town or a province? > What about Marykirkand Garvock? Is anyone researching this family that > can help.Are there relations of this line still living in these towns > today that I may contact. from an old gazetter of Scotland (a facsimilie of which is in the Canterbury Public Library, in Christchurch, NZ) which from memory was dated about 1850 (and for which I *must* go and get the proper reference! :) "Garvock, a parish, in the county of KINCARDINE, 2 miles (E. S. E.) from Laurencekirk; containing 446 inhabitants .... The PARISH is rather more than seven miles in length, and nearly four miles in extreme breadth, comprising an area of 8500 acres,. .... There is no village, or even hamlet of any importance in the parish.... Garvock church is a permanent structure erected in 1778, and contains 300 sittings " My parents visited Garvock a couple of years ago, and I have a photo of the church, and the gravestone for William Niddrie, his wife Mary Stott their son Alexander, and his wife Helen McPherson. If you would like me to email you a copy, just ask. bye for now Janet Connochie Christchurch, NZ

Hi Jacqueline, sorry, don't know of any family back that far only from 1809 onwards, in Fordoun, but, we did have Catherine running through the family, another thing, is the Adam/Adams, my Grandmother was Isabella Donald Strachan, married a Thomas Aitchison, 1900 in Laurencekirk, came to Australia in 1927 with husband and children, now in 1945 she had a post card of " The Clatterin Brig " and it was sent to her from a Janet Adam, nee Falconer, never found out what the connection was. Have you been in contact with Ken Coull, he has a web page with Donald's from that area. Ruth Edwards

Hi List, First time on this list so here goes. Researching the NIDDRIE family going back from William Lowe Niddrie and his wife Eliza nee Laurence who arrived New Zealand on Board the "Eveline" from Capetown,South Africia 22 Jan 1865. They were married in INVERBERVIE, SCOTLAND, 10 Jan 1857. William was born 25 May 1830 Marykirk,Kincardine,Scotland, his father seems to have been Robert Niddrie born 1 May 1808 Garvock,Kincardine,Scotland. Can anyone please help me by telling me about Kincardine, is it a town or a province? What about Marykirkand Garvock? Is anyone researching this family that can help.Are there relations of this line still living in these towns today that I may contact. Thanks in advance, Wally in far away New Zealand

Ruth, Do you have a Catherine Donald born 1793 in Banchory Devenick and later the family moved to Maryculter. She married John Adams in Maryculter in 1815 and later William Chivas in Maryculter. Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: Ruth Edwards <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 6:40 AM Subject: Re Kincardine List. > Hello Rhonda, > I can assure you that there are more than just 2 on the list, however if you are talking about Charles ancestors, then I am sorry. > I also have several ancestors from Kincardineshire. Donald, Strachan, Boyeck, Beattie, Tavendale. > Cheers, > Ruth Edwards. > > ______________________________

Hi Ruth, Sorry, didn't mean to be rude, just haven't seen any mail from the Kincardine list. My interest is in GARDEN and FINCHER, though I think the latter is from England. Also my family were in Nigg, Kincardine, which several listeners have told me is almost considered to be part of Aberdeen. Regards, Rhonda Thompson, Sydney, Australia Ruth Edwards wrote: > Hello Rhonda, > I can assure you that there are more than just 2 on the list, however if you are talking about Charles ancestors, then I am sorry. > I also have several ancestors from Kincardineshire. Donald, Strachan, Boyeck, Beattie, Tavendale. > Cheers, > Ruth Edwards. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hello Rhonda, I can assure you that there are more than just 2 on the list, however if you are talking about Charles ancestors, then I am sorry. I also have several ancestors from Kincardineshire. Donald, Strachan, Boyeck, Beattie, Tavendale. Cheers, Ruth Edwards.

Hi Jacqueline, Unfortunately can't help with your inquiry, but thought I'd just drop you a line because we might be the only 2 people on the Kincardine mailing list. I also have ancestors from Kincardine. I posted my message in both Kincardine and Aberdeen. Have you done this? You will find people on the Aberdeen list who are really helpful and my be able to help with your query. Regards, Rhonda Thompson, Sydney, Australia Jacqueline R Gibson wrote: > Is anyone researching the name CHARLES in the Dunnottar/Fetteresso area? I > have a Helen Charles born abt 1810/1811 in Stonehaven who married James > Forrest in 1832. Her parents were George Charles and Mary Herd. > > Jacqueline > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hi Just thought I would add my interests in case there are any newbies (please see below signature) I am also willing to do lookups - please I ask that you be specific, it is very time consuming to collate all the one given surname. I have access to some of the 1841/51 census for parishes in Kincardineshire (I am having computer problems at the moment so can't be more specific - census lookups may take a week or so). I have the Strachan MI booklet and also the pre-1855 for the Mearns. Best wishes Sharon researching GLASS EMSLIE COUTTS McKONDACH GORDON in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire special interests in BIRSE (and FOREST OF BIRSE)