Hello List Looking for anyone who has links to the following family James SCOTT who married Helen BRAND in St Cyrus 1807 Children: Jean c.1809 (never married) George c.1810 (my family line). Mary c.1812 David c.1814 John Cooke c.1815 James c. 1817 All were born in St Cyrus, but who the last 4 married etc is unknown. Can anyone help? Regards Cris

If the photos have the same photo logo, perhaps a collector could help you determine a date...if you have dates, perhaps the background in the photo can give facts regarding location..it sounds like a major problem to try and solve..hope someone else has a better way! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spruyt's" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Two Family Photos > Hi, > > Would there be anyone on this list who would be prepared to look at two > photos of a family group. They are expected to be of the same family but > some years apart. There is some feeling that there could be a mistake and > that the two families are not connected in any way. I personally feel that I > need to get a couple of unbiased opinions before I say that my fellow > descendant has got the wrong photo. I actually see room for their being a > number of similarities in the photos if I look really hard. > > Can anyone give their opinion? I will email the photo off list to anyone > wanting to have a go! > > Jenny > > ______________________________

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Hi, Would there be anyone on this list who would be prepared to look at two photos of a family group. They are expected to be of the same family but some years apart. There is some feeling that there could be a mistake and that the two families are not connected in any way. I personally feel that I need to get a couple of unbiased opinions before I say that my fellow descendant has got the wrong photo. I actually see room for their being a number of similarities in the photos if I look really hard. Can anyone give their opinion? I will email the photo off list to anyone wanting to have a go! Jenny

Hello Peter, Thanks for your reply, but it doesn't really answer the question put by Dennis and by me. The two OPR entries which I posted when I first asked the question, are still on the end of this message. When you read them you will see that in both parishes, there were proclamations _and_ marriages! The best explanation I have been given so far is that the events were often officially recorded some time after the event had occurred, and that a mistake was probably made when the details were finally entered into the register. Lyndall ----- Original Message ----- From: "howiegenealogy" <[email protected]> The two records are indication of the banns being called at the couples churches, not of the actual wedding ceremony. I once thought the same as you until I came across two entries and no wedding. Best regards, Peter Peter E Dawkins (Sec) Howie Genealogy Society ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the more formal type performed by a minister. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Marriage date clarification Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:51:51 +1000 From: "Lyndall" <[email protected]> Parish Church of Fordoun 1776 December 7th Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, they were married the 28th of December thereafter. Parish Church of Bervie 1777 Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon Saturday January the fourth day.

Date forwarded: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:35:40 -0600 Date sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:37:50 -0600 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V01 #86 To: [email protected] Forwarded by: [email protected] > I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally > thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in > that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein > the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most > brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding > hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the > more formal type performed by a minister. > > Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? > > Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) ** There are no double weddings in the OPRs. The Church of Scotland would not allow such a thing. What you are seeing is two records of the same marriage, with many of the records actually recording the calling of the banns inm two different parishes rather than the wedding ceremony, which is why you can get varying dates. Where both parties are resident in the one parish, you only get one record. If the OPR record has entries in one parish for both the banns and the mnarriage, the latter is what is indexed by the IGI. Professional Historical/Genealogical Researcher specialising in pre-1700 records. Trading as KinHelp. <http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm>

The two records are indication of the banns being called at the couples churches, not of the actual wedding ceremony. I once thought the same as you until I came across two entries and no wedding. Best regards, Peter Peter E Dawkins (Sec) Howie Genealogy Society ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Re: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V01 #86 > I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally > thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in > that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein > the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most > brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding > hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the > more formal type performed by a minister. > > Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? > > Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) > > [email protected] wrote: > > > Subject: > > > > SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 86 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 1841 Census - Garvock ["Janet Connochie" <[email protected]] > > #2 RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY [Ron Dempsey <[email protected]>] > > #3 Marriage date clarification ["Lyndall" <[email protected]>] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from SCT-KINCARDINE-D, send a message to > > > > [email protected] > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: 1841 Census - Garvock > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 +1200 > > From: "Janet Connochie" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Well I've done it. Its only a small thing, but I have transcribed and > > indexed that parish of Garvock in the 1841 census. ( I do mean > > small, only 4 districts and a total population of 445 people). > > > > I have posted the index on my webpage > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~connochie/kcd/1841garv > > ocksum.html > > > > (two line url). > > > > I have not yet put the transciption online, but this is available, by > > request, as an excel97 (.xls) file 126kb in size. So just let me > > know if you'd like a copy. > > > > -Best wishes > > Janet Connochie > > Christchurch, NZ > > > > (next I will be having a look at some other parishes on the film, > > probaly Fordoun and Laurencekirk first) > > > > Here is a list of the surnames that appear (with number of > > occurances). > > > > Airth 1 Alexander 4 Anderson 4 > > Andrew 2 > > Baird 1 Balfour 1 Barclay 1 > > Beattie 1 Beddie 1 Bisset 4 > > Black 2 Blackie 1 Blacklaws 2 > > Bremner 2 Broom 1 Bruce 3 > > Burness 9 > > Cadenhead 1 Caird 1 Calder 1 > > Card 1 Chalmers 1 Charles 1 > > Chivey? 2 Christie 10 Christison 1 > > Clark 8 Colboume? 1 Collie 2 > > Cooper 2 Cowie? 3 Cramond 1 > > Creall? 1 Croall 1 Crocket? 1 > > Croll 1 Cruickshan 3 > > Dallas 5 Donaldson 1 Duncan 13 > > Durvie 1 Durwald 1 Duthie 1 > > Edward 1 Elder 1 Emslie 1 > > Falconer 6 Farquharson 1 Ferrier 1 > > Fettes? 1 Fiddies? 1 Findlay 2 > > Forbes 1 Forsyth 1 Fullerton 8 > > Gall 3 Garden 2 Garvie 1 > > Gibson 2 Glen 1 Gordon 5 > > Gregory 1 Greig 1 Grower 7 > > Harper 1 Henderson 1 Hogg 6 > > Howie 6 Hutcheon 2 > > Ireland 1 > > Jaffray 1 Jeffry 1 Jervis 2 > > Johnstone 1 Jolly 2 > > Keith 3 Kinmont 1 Knox 1 > > Laurence 1 Lindsay 6 Lochhead 1 > > Logie 1 Loiv 1 Low 3 > > Lyall 4 > > Mach? 1 Main 1 Malcolm 1 > > Marton 1 Masson 4 McGriggor 4 > > McHardy 1 McKenzie 1 McLoid 1 > > McRobie 1 Mearns 1 Milne 16 > > Mitchell 2 Moir 3 Morgan 1 > > Muckart 5 Mullison? 1 Munro 1 > > Murray 19 > > Napier 6 Nichol 14 Niddrie 5 > > Orchardsto 1 > > Paterson 6 Petrie 1 Pourtie? 1 > > Pyper 1 > > Rae 6 Robert 1 Robertson 8 > > Rodger 2 Ross 4 Rue 1 > > Scott 16 Sherik? 3 Simpson 1 > > Smart 6 Smith 10 Soulter? 1 > > Steel 5 Steele 10 Stephen 8 > > Stewart 10 Strachan 2 Stuart 1 > > Tavendale? 2 Taylor 9 Thomson 7 > > Todd 1 Towns 4 > > Valentine 2 > > Walker 2 Wallace 4 Waltier 1 > > Watt 2 White 1 Whyte 1 > > Wilkie 1 Will 2 Williams? 1 > > Willox 2 Wilson 4 Wishart 1 > > Ynill 1 Young 3 > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY > > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:43:53 +0100 > > From: Ron Dempsey <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > Hi Jamie: > > > > I found this on the IGI: > > Mary MACDONALD > > Sex: F > > > > Marriage(s): > > Spouse: Andrew LEES > > Marriage: 1 Dec 1871 > > Forfar, Angus, Scotland > > > > If you get a full copy of their marriage, it will give their names with > > mothers' surnames. Since it was before 1876 the LDS should be able to get in > > on microfilm for you to look at it. Any other questions send me an e. They > > were born before 1855 which was the year of mandatory civil reg. > > Ron > > > > >===== Original Message From "Jamie Lees D'Angelo" > > <[email protected]> ===== > > >Not sure if I am asking too much, if so let me know!! > > > > > >Is there a census or marriage record that someone could check? > > >I am looking for the parents of Andrew LEES born in Montrose. Age 32 in the > > >1881 census, married to Mary MacDonald also 32 in 1881 born in Dundee. > > >Living in Forfar in 1881 on 79 Glamis with Elizabeth Jane age 7 > > >Mary age 4 > > >Andrew age 3 > > >John M. age 1 > > > > > >Can anyone help? > > > > > >Best Regards, > > >Jamie LEES > > >Canada > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Get your free @ecosse.net account > > http://www.ecosse.net > > Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > ______________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Marriage date clarification > > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:51:51 +1000 > > From: "Lyndall" <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > > > I hope that someone might help me to understand the following two OPRs for > > the same couple. I do understand that that banns were called before actual > > weddings took place, but these entries specifically state a date of > > marriage...and the dates differ! Were they married on 28 December 1776? > > Or were they married on 4 January 1777? Any advice will be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Parish Church of Fordoun > > 1776 December 7th > > Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were > > contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, > > they were married the 28th of December thereafter. > > > > Parish Church of Bervie > > 1777 > > Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this > > Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon > > Saturday January the fourth day. > > > > Thanks, > > Lyndall > > Canberra, Australia > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

I have been intrigued by this double wedding business for some time, I originally thought that the first marriage was in the parish of the bride and the second in that of the husband and usually assuming that the latter was the parish wherein the couple were taking up residence. I also presumed that the marriages were most brobably of the type wherein the couple stood up before the congregation, holding hands, and declared the betrothal but then some of these appear to have been the more formal type performed by a minister. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation? Dennis (slowly cooking in the BC Rockies (37C again today) [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 86 > > Today's Topics: > #1 1841 Census - Garvock ["Janet Connochie" <[email protected]] > #2 RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY [Ron Dempsey <[email protected]>] > #3 Marriage date clarification ["Lyndall" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from SCT-KINCARDINE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: 1841 Census - Garvock > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:48:34 +1200 > From: "Janet Connochie" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi everyone, > > Well I've done it. Its only a small thing, but I have transcribed and > indexed that parish of Garvock in the 1841 census. ( I do mean > small, only 4 districts and a total population of 445 people). > > I have posted the index on my webpage > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~connochie/kcd/1841garv > ocksum.html > > (two line url). > > I have not yet put the transciption online, but this is available, by > request, as an excel97 (.xls) file 126kb in size. So just let me > know if you'd like a copy. > > -Best wishes > Janet Connochie > Christchurch, NZ > > (next I will be having a look at some other parishes on the film, > probaly Fordoun and Laurencekirk first) > > Here is a list of the surnames that appear (with number of > occurances). > > Airth 1 Alexander 4 Anderson 4 > Andrew 2 > Baird 1 Balfour 1 Barclay 1 > Beattie 1 Beddie 1 Bisset 4 > Black 2 Blackie 1 Blacklaws 2 > Bremner 2 Broom 1 Bruce 3 > Burness 9 > Cadenhead 1 Caird 1 Calder 1 > Card 1 Chalmers 1 Charles 1 > Chivey? 2 Christie 10 Christison 1 > Clark 8 Colboume? 1 Collie 2 > Cooper 2 Cowie? 3 Cramond 1 > Creall? 1 Croall 1 Crocket? 1 > Croll 1 Cruickshan 3 > Dallas 5 Donaldson 1 Duncan 13 > Durvie 1 Durwald 1 Duthie 1 > Edward 1 Elder 1 Emslie 1 > Falconer 6 Farquharson 1 Ferrier 1 > Fettes? 1 Fiddies? 1 Findlay 2 > Forbes 1 Forsyth 1 Fullerton 8 > Gall 3 Garden 2 Garvie 1 > Gibson 2 Glen 1 Gordon 5 > Gregory 1 Greig 1 Grower 7 > Harper 1 Henderson 1 Hogg 6 > Howie 6 Hutcheon 2 > Ireland 1 > Jaffray 1 Jeffry 1 Jervis 2 > Johnstone 1 Jolly 2 > Keith 3 Kinmont 1 Knox 1 > Laurence 1 Lindsay 6 Lochhead 1 > Logie 1 Loiv 1 Low 3 > Lyall 4 > Mach? 1 Main 1 Malcolm 1 > Marton 1 Masson 4 McGriggor 4 > McHardy 1 McKenzie 1 McLoid 1 > McRobie 1 Mearns 1 Milne 16 > Mitchell 2 Moir 3 Morgan 1 > Muckart 5 Mullison? 1 Munro 1 > Murray 19 > Napier 6 Nichol 14 Niddrie 5 > Orchardsto 1 > Paterson 6 Petrie 1 Pourtie? 1 > Pyper 1 > Rae 6 Robert 1 Robertson 8 > Rodger 2 Ross 4 Rue 1 > Scott 16 Sherik? 3 Simpson 1 > Smart 6 Smith 10 Soulter? 1 > Steel 5 Steele 10 Stephen 8 > Stewart 10 Strachan 2 Stuart 1 > Tavendale? 2 Taylor 9 Thomson 7 > Todd 1 Towns 4 > Valentine 2 > Walker 2 Wallace 4 Waltier 1 > Watt 2 White 1 Whyte 1 > Wilkie 1 Will 2 Williams? 1 > Willox 2 Wilson 4 Wishart 1 > Ynill 1 Young 3 > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: NEW TO LIST INQUIRY > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:43:53 +0100 > From: Ron Dempsey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Jamie: > > I found this on the IGI: > Mary MACDONALD > Sex: F > > Marriage(s): > Spouse: Andrew LEES > Marriage: 1 Dec 1871 > Forfar, Angus, Scotland > > If you get a full copy of their marriage, it will give their names with > mothers' surnames. Since it was before 1876 the LDS should be able to get in > on microfilm for you to look at it. Any other questions send me an e. They > were born before 1855 which was the year of mandatory civil reg. > Ron > > >===== Original Message From "Jamie Lees D'Angelo" > <[email protected]> ===== > >Not sure if I am asking too much, if so let me know!! > > > >Is there a census or marriage record that someone could check? > >I am looking for the parents of Andrew LEES born in Montrose. Age 32 in the > >1881 census, married to Mary MacDonald also 32 in 1881 born in Dundee. > >Living in Forfar in 1881 on 79 Glamis with Elizabeth Jane age 7 > >Mary age 4 > >Andrew age 3 > >John M. age 1 > > > >Can anyone help? > > > >Best Regards, > >Jamie LEES > >Canada > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Get your free @ecosse.net account > http://www.ecosse.net > Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Marriage date clarification > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 00:51:51 +1000 > From: "Lyndall" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I hope that someone might help me to understand the following two OPRs for > the same couple. I do understand that that banns were called before actual > weddings took place, but these entries specifically state a date of > marriage...and the dates differ! Were they married on 28 December 1776? > Or were they married on 4 January 1777? Any advice will be greatly > appreciated. > > Parish Church of Fordoun > 1776 December 7th > Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were > contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, > they were married the 28th of December thereafter. > > Parish Church of Bervie > 1777 > Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this > Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon > Saturday January the fourth day. > > Thanks, > Lyndall > Canberra, Australia

I haven't posted this for some time, maybe some-one new belongs to this family. Descendants of Roger Chapman (coachman) and his wife Jean Lyon or their children Mary baptised 1 Apr 1777, Monikie, Angus John baptised 11 October 1778, Monikie, Angus - married Jane Edward. Robert baptised 3 September 1780 Fetteresso Charles baptised 20 October 1782, Fetteresso - married Mary Wood Elizabeth baptised 28 November 1784, Fetteresso Jean baptised 26 June 1790, Fetteresso - married William Keith I would love to hear from any-one with information on this family. Lyn Dalley Rotorua, New Zealand.

I hope that someone might help me to understand the following two OPRs for the same couple. I do understand that that banns were called before actual weddings took place, but these entries specifically state a date of marriage...and the dates differ! Were they married on 28 December 1776? Or were they married on 4 January 1777? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Parish Church of Fordoun 1776 December 7th Charles WILSON in this parish & Christian EDDIE in parish of Bervie were contracted in order to marriage, & after being proclaimed in the Church, they were married the 28th of December thereafter. Parish Church of Bervie 1777 Charles WILSON workman in the Parish of Fordoun and Christian EDDIE in this Parish formerly contracted and lawfully proclaimed were married upon Saturday January the fourth day. Thanks, Lyndall Canberra, Australia

Hi everyone, Well I've done it. Its only a small thing, but I have transcribed and indexed that parish of Garvock in the 1841 census. ( I do mean small, only 4 districts and a total population of 445 people). I have posted the index on my webpage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~connochie/kcd/1841garv ocksum.html (two line url). I have not yet put the transciption online, but this is available, by request, as an excel97 (.xls) file 126kb in size. So just let me know if you'd like a copy. -Best wishes Janet Connochie Christchurch, NZ (next I will be having a look at some other parishes on the film, probaly Fordoun and Laurencekirk first) Here is a list of the surnames that appear (with number of occurances). Airth 1 Alexander 4 Anderson 4 Andrew 2 Baird 1 Balfour 1 Barclay 1 Beattie 1 Beddie 1 Bisset 4 Black 2 Blackie 1 Blacklaws 2 Bremner 2 Broom 1 Bruce 3 Burness 9 Cadenhead 1 Caird 1 Calder 1 Card 1 Chalmers 1 Charles 1 Chivey? 2 Christie 10 Christison 1 Clark 8 Colboume? 1 Collie 2 Cooper 2 Cowie? 3 Cramond 1 Creall? 1 Croall 1 Crocket? 1 Croll 1 Cruickshan 3 Dallas 5 Donaldson 1 Duncan 13 Durvie 1 Durwald 1 Duthie 1 Edward 1 Elder 1 Emslie 1 Falconer 6 Farquharson 1 Ferrier 1 Fettes? 1 Fiddies? 1 Findlay 2 Forbes 1 Forsyth 1 Fullerton 8 Gall 3 Garden 2 Garvie 1 Gibson 2 Glen 1 Gordon 5 Gregory 1 Greig 1 Grower 7 Harper 1 Henderson 1 Hogg 6 Howie 6 Hutcheon 2 Ireland 1 Jaffray 1 Jeffry 1 Jervis 2 Johnstone 1 Jolly 2 Keith 3 Kinmont 1 Knox 1 Laurence 1 Lindsay 6 Lochhead 1 Logie 1 Loiv 1 Low 3 Lyall 4 Mach? 1 Main 1 Malcolm 1 Marton 1 Masson 4 McGriggor 4 McHardy 1 McKenzie 1 McLoid 1 McRobie 1 Mearns 1 Milne 16 Mitchell 2 Moir 3 Morgan 1 Muckart 5 Mullison? 1 Munro 1 Murray 19 Napier 6 Nichol 14 Niddrie 5 Orchardsto 1 Paterson 6 Petrie 1 Pourtie? 1 Pyper 1 Rae 6 Robert 1 Robertson 8 Rodger 2 Ross 4 Rue 1 Scott 16 Sherik? 3 Simpson 1 Smart 6 Smith 10 Soulter? 1 Steel 5 Steele 10 Stephen 8 Stewart 10 Strachan 2 Stuart 1 Tavendale? 2 Taylor 9 Thomson 7 Todd 1 Towns 4 Valentine 2 Walker 2 Wallace 4 Waltier 1 Watt 2 White 1 Whyte 1 Wilkie 1 Will 2 Williams? 1 Willox 2 Wilson 4 Wishart 1 Ynill 1 Young 3

Hi Jamie: I found this on the IGI: Mary MACDONALD Sex: F Marriage(s): Spouse: Andrew LEES Marriage: 1 Dec 1871 Forfar, Angus, Scotland If you get a full copy of their marriage, it will give their names with mothers' surnames. Since it was before 1876 the LDS should be able to get in on microfilm for you to look at it. Any other questions send me an e. They were born before 1855 which was the year of mandatory civil reg. Ron >===== Original Message From "Jamie Lees D'Angelo" <[email protected]> ===== >Not sure if I am asking too much, if so let me know!! > >Is there a census or marriage record that someone could check? >I am looking for the parents of Andrew LEES born in Montrose. Age 32 in the >1881 census, married to Mary MacDonald also 32 in 1881 born in Dundee. >Living in Forfar in 1881 on 79 Glamis with Elizabeth Jane age 7 >Mary age 4 >Andrew age 3 >John M. age 1 > >Can anyone help? > >Best Regards, >Jamie LEES >Canada * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Can anyone help with the following. Catharine LOW married James MURRAY in St Cyrus on Nov 10th 1844 and had the following children born there. Annabella 1845 Catharine 1847 James Alexander 1847 Can anyone tell me who the parents of Catharine LOW were? I do not know when she died. Many thanks Cris

Hi everyone, Watched with interest as Lyndall's postings on OPR's came through in the early hours of the morning (Sydney time) and reminded me that I have a complete page (photocopy) of baptims from the Newhill Free Church from January, 1847 through September, 1847. There are 28 children baptised. My interest was in Grace Poole FINCHER and she is on this list, but does not appear on the I.G.I., so if anyone has a baptism they cannot find circa 1847, e-mail and I will check my list. It gives Fathers full name, Mothers full name, Father's occupation, Date of Birth, place of Birth (Parish and town or street), date of Baptism and the Ministers name. I cannot find the Baptism of Robert Forbes FINCHER (circa 1841) and I fear he may have been a Free Church Baptism as well. If anyone is knowledgeable on the topic would love a summary of the Free Church, especially when it split from the Presbyterian (Established) Church of Scotland and where records can be found. Also the type of people (i.e. upper or working classes) most likely to join the Free Church. Would they be considered Non-Conformists in Scotland? Apologies if the questions sound stupid. But I know very little on this topic. My ancestors switched back and forth between the Free Church and the Presbyterian Church in the 1840's. Regards, Rhonda Thompson, Sydney, Australia

Kineff & Caterline [LDS film, reel # 0993319] 1753 April 29. James FORBES & Jannet DONALD in Brewlaw had a child baptized. May 4. George BEATTIE in this parish & Mary USHER in the parish of Dunnottar gave in their names in order to marriage. May 10. Willm. ALEXANDER & Isabel SMITH gave in their names in order to marriage. June 1. James LOGAN & Janet RHENNY in Grange had a child baptized Christian. June 1. James CHRISTIE in this parish & Mary SHEPHERD in the parish of Dunnottar gave in their names June 3. George MOIR & Jane OFFICIER had a child in fornication baptized Elizabeth. June 9. Willm. SHERRIOTT & Mary ROBERTSON both in this parish gave in their names in order to marriage July 1. David EDDIE & Christian MANSIE Mains of Barras had a child baptized Christian July 11. David COULEY & Margt. NAPIER had a child baptized Anne.

Hi Lyndall, Some years ago I ordered the film for Nigg, Kincardine which after 10 months had not arrived. So they photocopied the relevant marriage for me and I never did get to see the original film, which may have contained other marriages, births and deaths of interest. At the moment I am working my way through the 1851 census of Old Machar, Aberdeenshire. I, for one, am looking forward to each posting you send. Haven't found a name I want yet, but many are familiar from later periods in the same area. It's 1.45 a.m. in Sydney, you must love typing! Thanks again, Regards, Rhonda Thompson, Sydney, Australia

Fordoun [LDS film # 0993316] 1752 June 7th James JACK in this Parish and Mary CALAN(?) in the Parish of Fettercairn gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage. ?; D: William LOW in Crookieden had a son baptized ? Alexander Witnesses of the baptism were George Nicol(?) Abbaytoun and George Milne in Crookieden. June 15th George BROWN in Mill of Coldstream had a daughter begot in uncleanness with Katharine LOW in Bailycrook baptized called Anne. David Falconer in Little Carnbeg ???? sponsor. June 19th James WILSON Gallowhilstoun had a son bapt: called Charles June 26th William TURNIF(?) & Elspet HAMPTON both in this Parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage. Dame Goreig in Denmill & John Duncan in Clochnahill their cautioners. June 27th John MILNE and Katharine KINLOCH both in this Parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage David Crab in Cairntoun and Alexander Falconer in Bervie their cautioners June 27th Mr FORBES Minister in this Parish had a daughter baptized Jannet Witnesses of the baptizm were James Falconer Kirk officer and James Mill servant to Mr Forbes. July 7th John ROB in Muckle Cornbeg had a son baptized called James Witnesses of the baptism were John Falconer in Sleply(?) Stones & Robert Blacklaw in Carnbeg July 12th George CROLL in Kincardine had a son baptized called George July 13th James TULA(?) in Muchlochter had a daughter baptized called Jean witnesses of the baptism were John Beattie in D??mallie & James Low in Auchtlochter July 19th William PATERSON & Jean CADDENHEAD(?) both in this Parish gave up their names to be proclaimed in order to marriage. William Smith in Galloquhine & James Carder...

Marykirk [LDS film, reel # 0993322] March 6th The 9th Day was baptized Kath: WILSON lawful daughter to William WILSON & Margaret HAMPTONE in Ballmalidie Witnesses John & Robert Piries March 16th The ? Day was baptized Alexr. HUTCHINE lawful son to John HUTCHINE & Margaret LOUERNED(?) in Hauchkeed Witnesses Robt. Crab & David Robe March 23rd The ? day was baptized Janet DRIMIE lawful daughter to James DRIMIE & Eliz: WILLOCLE in Nontoune witnesses Robt. Barclay & Alexr. Cairncorss March 23rd The said day was baptized Anna GRAY lawful daughter to Gilbert GRAY & Joan MATHERS in Waterside of Drumnagair Witnesses Jon. Jollir & John Willcock March 27th The ? day was baptized James GORDON lawful son to Alexr. GORDON & Elizabeth CRAIG in Mains of Thorntoun Witnesses John Paterson & James Black March 30th The ? day was baptized David BEATTIE lawful son to James BEATTIE & Jannot MILN in Ladsdaily Witnesses David Murray & David Gall March 30th The said day was baptized Eliz: HAMPTON lawful daughter to Jon. HAMPTON & Eliz: LAWSON at Marybirle Witnesses John Low and John Gle?? April 6th The which day was baptized Isabell PEDDIE lawful daughter to Alexr. PEDDIE & Eliz: THOMSON in Churl?? Witnesses Tho: Carnie & James Findlon

Marykirk [LDS film, reel #0993322] 1737 April 2nd The ? day were contracted in order to marriage Andrew COWLEY in the parish of Fettercairn & Elizabeth BRAN in this Parish. Cau'r for the pledges David Valentine at the Mill of Boggendollone for the Bridegroom & John Fullerton in Alchouse for the Bride. Married April 19th. April 9th The 9th day were contracted in order to marriage James WILSON in this Parish & Anna WALKER in the Parish of Fettercairn. Married April 28th The 9th Day were contracted in order to marriage James COOPER in the Parish of Ecclesgreige(?) and Margaret FALCONER in this Parish Cau'r for the pledges John Williamson in the Mains of Cainterland(?) and David Middleton in Spear Mill. Married May 31st. April 16th The 9th day were contracted in order to marriage William CHRISTIE in this Parish & Elizabeth WEBSTER in the Parish of ?rickathow. Married June 7th. June 11th The 9th day were contracted in order to marriage James DUNCAN in the Parish of Garvock & Elizabeth ANGUS in this Parish. Cau'r for the pledges William Rob in Craig of Garvock & William Angus in Water side of Newtoun. Married July 14th

This page is about the worst I've seen - cramped writing , plus poor quality copy. Those factors, combined with my lack of familiarity with place names in Kincardine mean that I'll probably make more transcription errors than normal! Lyndall Canberra, Oz. ------------------------------------- Fettercairn [ LDS film, reel #0993313] 1736 December 11th Master Alexander SCOT husband to Elizabeth ANDERSON at Milln of Balmain had a daughter baptized Elizabeth Dec 12th John THOMSON husband to Janet THOMSON in Wandershill had a son baptized David Dec 19th Robert JOHNSON husband to Elspet BLAIKIE in Fettercairn had a son baptized William 1737 January 9th William SMITH husband to Isobel ROSS in Thornyhill had a daughter baptized Marjorie Jan 18th Murdo McKENZIE husband to Helen BROWN in Fettercairn had a daughter baptized Anna. Jan 30th Margaret BLACKIE had her natural daughter baptized Elizabeth she being sponsor for it herself. Feb 6th Robert FRAZER husband to Isobel ANDERSON in Disclune had a son baptized James. Feb 10th Alexander SMITH husband to Elspet WATT in Fettercairn had a son baptized John. Feb 15th Alexander GOW husband to Mary MAY at Nethermilln had a daughter baptized Mary Feb 20th Robert MENMUIRE husband to Janet ABERHEAD at Mo?end of Arnhall had a daughter baptized Jean. Feb 20th James FOTHERINGAME husband to Elspet NACALL at Green Burn had a daughter baptized Elizabeth. Mar 4th John PORTER in the parish of Edsel & Isobel GRIG in this parish listed up names in order to marriage Mar 6th Alexander NETHRIE husband to Jean ?ET in Mains of Tasque(?) had a son baptized Alexander March 6th David TYLEOR husband to Mary BAXTER in Bray of Tasque(?) had a son baptized John March 6th William THOMPSON husband to Christian BLACKIE in Salyr(?) had a daughter baptized Janet Mar 12th John ALASON (?) husband to Isobel MILL at Upper Milln had a son baptized John Mar 24th James AWAS(?) husband to Christian TAVENDALE in Eslie had a daughter baptized Mary Mar 27th David RITCHIE husband to Jean LAW in Eslie had a son baptized David Mar 27th Alexr CHRISTIE husband to Isobel MOODIE at Upper Thenston had a daughter baptized Janet April 8th John CARNEGIE husband to Anna WYLLIE in Bray of Tasque had a son baptized William April 9th James WILSON in Mary parish and Anna WALKER in this parish lifted their names in order to marriage