Well, like any good Scot I have the badger's butt in my teeth and cannot let go! off down the rabbit hole we go. This is basically for Wallace Fullerton but many of you seem interested in this line of research, so here goes. 1: Jan. 28th 1929 The Scottish Historical review Vol XXV, Glasgow published an article by George Pratt Inish called `The Arrival of the Cardross Settlers'. (I have a copy of it). It describes the arrival in South Carolina `in the year of grace 1684' of the ship Carolina Merchant, captained by Capt James Gibson, and his brother Walter Gibson, owner of the vessel. The article describes the voyage `the group of Covenanters who under the leadership of Lord Cardross and William Dunlop, crossed the Atlantic to establish their settlement of Stuart's Town' ****the reference given in 1928 states: The section of this study that records the experiences of these settlers are to be found in the English colonial documents in the Public Record Office. Question: Those English colonial documents referring to Scots emigrating to America, are they in England now or in Scotland? and does the Scottish Records Office/National Archives of Scotland have them do you think? ****another primary source reference is to `Erskine of Carnock's Diary (Sco. Historical Society' - Question where is the Scottish Historical Scoiety if it still exists.? and who was Erskine of Carnock? In the opening sentence regarding early Scottish colonisation, the author refers to `the vessels that under the direction of Robert Barclay of Urie cleared from Montrose and Aberdeen for East New Jersey'. ****until this event was mentioned first by Grant Buttars and then by Wallace Fullerton, I had not been aware of it as I was primarily researching emigration to the southern territories of the Carolinas and Georgia. However, I am extremely interested in the region that the Barclay's of Urie owned land. . Question: does anyone know the exact DATE this expedition set forth from Scotland? and if there are any primary source materials to research? Two histories on South Carolina written in the early 1900's have brief accounts of the Cardross Setlers. The first was not footnoted: `Its leaders, landed in 1683, and formed a settlement called Stuarts Town, probably in honour of Lady Cardross, who was a daughter of Sir James Stuart' this account states that Lord Cardross, `overcome by the heat of summer and prosrate with sickness' returned to Scotland. The rest of the ill fated bunch were later atacked by the Spaniards and the Indians, no indication whether any survived? if they did, were any of them part of subsequent expeditions?. Question: where was Henry, Lord Cardross's estate? there is some indication it might have been Perthshire? The second early history of South Carolina has footnotes, but none that are too helpful. It states: `In 1682 negotiations were begun between the Proprieters and a group of prominent Scotchmen for bringing 10,000 Scots to Carolina. Henry Erskine, third Baron Cardross, a notable sufferer in the persecutions infliced on Scotch Covenanters, and later highly honored as supporter of William 111, was commissioned Governor of his colony at Port Royal' *****what assumptions do you draw from this?, does this not infer that he was Protestant? therefore not necesarily loyal to the Stuart cause? I may have made an erroneous assumption tha the name ERSKINE (his half brother John Erskine was also a member of the expedition) could mean that they hailed from the area around Dun, as my booklet on the House of Dun states that the Dun estate was purchased in 1375 by Sir Robert Erskine of Renfrewshire and that the family occupied it during the 16th and 17th centuries. I have a personal interest in that estate because the graveyard attached to the property contains many tombstone with Guthrie's and Low's inscribed. Maybe I was reaching too hard. Two very recent new histories (all politically correct and using Scots/Irish except when directly quoting from older histories when they use Scotch Irish) one on South Carolina (Walter Edgar) and the other of Beaufort County (Lawrence Rowland) both have fairly extensive sections on the settlement of Stuart Town. (different histories have different spellings!) 1: Rowland's book goes into detail about the `settlement of Scottish Covenanters, Presbyterians who had signed the Solemn league and Covenant in 1638 and 1643'. and goes on to state they supported the Engish Parliament and Oliver Cromwell.- - so obviously were not Stuart supporters? Henry Erskine, Lord Cardross attracted the attention of Anthony Ashey Cooper, the Earl of Shaftesbury, and the prime mover of the Carolina settlements of Charleston and Port Royal (Stuart's Town) in the 1680's, (along with John Locke, who basically wrote the Carolina Constitution used extensively in the designing of the Declaration of Independence) and who I thought was a supporter of the Stuart dynasty - so by now I am thoroughly and totally confused - this is worse than Afghanistan!!!!!!! who was on whose side and when? that was rhetorical question, please don't respond!!! I am going to have to seriously study Scottish history for that period before making any assumptions whatsoever. Anyway, for those who are interested, `Robert Woodrow, the Covenaters hagiographer collected the names of the Covenanter prisoners assigned for transport, indentured to Walter Gibson, owner of the Carolina Merchant and that information can be found in the Register of the Privy Council of Scotland - anyone know where that is? one of the names was a URIE. The other primary source this author uses for this section is the previously mentioned `Journal of the Hon. John Erskine of Carnock, 1683-1687' where is it? He cites the Inish article as the `standard history of StuartsTown', the original article that cited the Journal as the primary source. So to re-cap this - as I am planning my research trip to Scotland, where am I likely to find the best selection/collection of PRIMARY source material on the Colonization of the Americas by the Scots - with a focus on Stuartstown, South Carolina and Savannah, Georgia. Where do I need to go. I am definitely going to Edinburgh to research an uncopiable document in the Service to Heirs. Where else is the best library of original material and archival manuscripts? as I mentioned once before I find it necessary to research both the Scottish and American perspectives to reach a point of view that reflects the players in the dramas unfolding. By now I expect you are all as thoroughly fedup with me as I am of myself, so I shall let go of this subject now. Hope this is relatively clear. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan

Wallace: I stand with you and will take the invective shoulder to shoulder regarding the use of Scotch-Irish in the context I am asking the question anyway. I shall be happy to elaborate on some tentative assumptions regarding Stuartstown and the settlers - give me a few days to sort out my research from my recent trip to Charleston and Beaufort, South Carolina, and correlate that with previous research regarding Erskine and the House of Dun. Would love to pinpoint the origin as the possibility raises a whole new theory in my mind regarding my own `story' of the Low's. One question that needs a response - where is Garvock? a parish in Kincardine, a river, a harbour or none of the above and relevant geographically to Edinburgh and Glasgow. The account I read in Charleston did not say that the `settlers' selected by the Lords Proprieters were Covenanters, but that Covenanters were transported from the toll booths of Edinburgh and Glasgow on the ship `Carolina Merchant'. The settlers were funded by the Lords Proprieters, who were loyal to the Stuart cause. For all you purists out there I am NOT making any claims, merely trying to ascertain the facts, just the facts!!! to anyone who reads, studies, researches and tries to reach the most accurate theory of history, there are many `facts' that do not add up to one cohesive whole. That is the fun of the chase. For example I once mentioned William Wallace and received a book length diatribe about one man's freedom fighter being another's terrorist! even in the11th century that argument was still going strong. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan Wallace Fullerton wrote: > Jennifer, > > For the record, it doesn't matter what you and I and anyone else thinks > regarding the word "Scotch" - no one anywhere in the world uses the term > "Scots-Irish" to describe those Scots who settled in Ireland (as the other > message said, mostly Ulster). The fact is that the term "Scotch-Irish" is > traditional and entirely correct in that particular context unless someone > feels so strongly about it that they want to make a real fuss. On the > other hand, I always use "Scots" when talking about those from > Scotland. [to others: please direct all invective directly to me if you > think my position is inane, offensive, or otherwise unwise! <grin>] > > Regarding those who came to StuartsTown . . . I know nothing about this > particular group but you have raised my interest with the reference to the > Erskines and Dun (in which my own family lived at about that same > time.) Noting that Edinburgh and Glasgow are not close by those counties, > I wonder if you might elaborate a little regarding your presumption that > this particular group came from Angus and Kincardine -- the connection > seems a stretch without more information. > > Since you mention that the group was loyal to the Stuarts, it might also be > worth your while to look into whether they were only Covenantors - I seem > to recall that there was an early Jacobian incident about that time as well > although I don't recall any details. > > Finally, just in case you run into anything regarding it, I'll mention a > coincident event -- another group of Scots from the Montrose area attempted > settlement of northern New Jersey at about the same time - this group > included several Quakers, among them at least three Fullertons of Kinnaber > , an estate just east of Dun on the River North Esk. Some of these > eventually returned to Scotland. > > I'd be pleased to hear of any progress you make on your project! > > Thanks!

dont know anything about the subject but at Akaroa N.Z. there is an old cemetary and the sign at the gate says "for Roman Catholic and other dissenters" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Nicoll" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Re: Covenantors, Dissenters, Scotch-Irish, and the new world > Hi Jennifer, > > I can make no comment on the covenanters & dissenters but I do know where > Garvock Parish is. It is between Arbuthnott & Laurencekirk in Kincardine. > > Regards > Elaine > Aberdeenshire > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi I am further researching to this couples marriage that apparently is recorded some where within Kincardineshire. She was the daughter of Alexander Walker and Elizabeth Alexander. He (Henry) was also apparently born in Scotland. I got most of this information of familysearch.org I just need confirmation and hopefully more details in regards to Henry's Parents. Can you help me, as this couple is very confusing???? They apparently married again in NZ in the year 1858 = I have no idea why. Agnes also travel out to NZ with her uncle.

My understanding of Scotch/Irish usually pertaing to American immigrants, are the Irish settlers whose origins are from Scottish Planters who settled in Ulster in the 1600's. >===== Original Message From [email protected] ===== >Content-Type: text/plain > >SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 152 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS [Jennifer Ryan <[email protected]>] > #2 Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS ["Jo Myers" <[email protected]>] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from SCT-KINCARDINE-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jennifer Ryan <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS > >Greetings to Scotland from northern New Mexico this beautiful >Thansgiving Day. I have some questions regarding clarification of >definitions, which have me somewhat confused. > >1: SCOTCH/IRISH - exactly WHO does the term apply to? does it depend >on lineage, region, what period was it applied first etc. etc. etc. > >2: DISSENTERS and COVENANTERS - I find it really tricky separating >the definitions and terminology surrounding the schism of the Chirch in >Scotland and would appreciate some clarity. > >My next set of questions will be Kincardine specific and event specific, >but I await your responses on these two first. Thank you in advance, if >the past reflects the future the response should be fascinating. >Jennifer Guthrie Ryan > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Jo Myers" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS > >Hi Jennifer > >I can't help you on the dissenters and covenanters (my history is not good >enough), but as far as the Irish/Scotch question is concerned.... > >First up, it's my understanding the word scotch is only used when talking >about the stuff you drink, ie scotch whisky. The people of Scotland are >Scots. >If course there's also Irish whiskey (note it has an 'e' in it) so perhaps >that's what you were asking about (big grin). >Ireland and Scotland are two quite distinct countries, although I understand >they have a common celtic background. >I have no doubt someone else on the list can give you more in depth >knowledge, but this is just an initially offering from New Zealand, from >someone who has Irish and Scottish ancestors (as well as Cornish ones). > >Regards > >Jo Myers >Feilding >New Zealand > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jennifer Ryan" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: 23 November, 2001 7:50 AM >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS > > >> Greetings to Scotland from northern New Mexico this beautiful >> Thansgiving Day. I have some questions regarding clarification of >> definitions, which have me somewhat confused. >> >> 1: SCOTCH/IRISH - exactly WHO does the term apply to? does it depend >> on lineage, region, what period was it applied first etc. etc. etc. >> >> 2: DISSENTERS and COVENANTERS - I find it really tricky separating >> the definitions and terminology surrounding the schism of the Chirch in >> Scotland and would appreciate some clarity. >> >> My next set of questions will be Kincardine specific and event specific, >> but I await your responses on these two first. Thank you in advance, if >> the past reflects the future the response should be fascinating. >> Jennifer Guthrie Ryan >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4DC9A38660587E1E42D231DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------4DC9A38660587E1E42D231DD Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:29:06 -0700 From: Jennifer Ryan <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0; html=0; linewidth=0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: STEWARTSTOWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to thank everyone for their invaluable input on the question of Coventaners/Dissenters and the Scotch Irish in America. I trust noone minds my using these lists as a sounding board to verify the accuracy of my information, it is invaluable to me as a researcher. I have another very important area to research that is the basis of my question regarding Covenanters and Dissenters. Briefly, in 1682, Henry, Lord Cardross and more than thirty other Scots (the history actually writes Scotchmen!!!! but I will avoid that pitfall this time) authorised by the Lords Proprieters (a group of noblemen loyal to the Stuart cause) set sail on a ship called the Carolina Merchant to found a settlement in South Carolina they called StuartsTown. The ship also transported a group of Covenanters from the toll booths of Edinburgh and Glasgow. The reason I am extremely interested in locating whatever PRIMARY source material may still exist in the form of journals etc is that these men and women as well, I presume, all came from that corner of the northeast known now as Kincardine and Angus. They included a Urie, presumably from the Stonehaven area? I am making the assumption that Cardross was Erskine of the House of Dun? there is supposedly a `Journal' written of the venture, which proved illfated - does anyone know where it may be located? If anyone has any insights to offer on this ill starred colonial venture, which indirectly led to the Panama Disaster - I would be happy to hear from you. Again, thanks for your valuable input. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan --------------4DC9A38660587E1E42D231DD--

Hi Jennifer I can't help you on the dissenters and covenanters (my history is not good enough), but as far as the Irish/Scotch question is concerned.... First up, it's my understanding the word scotch is only used when talking about the stuff you drink, ie scotch whisky. The people of Scotland are Scots. If course there's also Irish whiskey (note it has an 'e' in it) so perhaps that's what you were asking about (big grin). Ireland and Scotland are two quite distinct countries, although I understand they have a common celtic background. I have no doubt someone else on the list can give you more in depth knowledge, but this is just an initially offering from New Zealand, from someone who has Irish and Scottish ancestors (as well as Cornish ones). Regards Jo Myers Feilding New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Ryan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 23 November, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] DEFINITIONS > Greetings to Scotland from northern New Mexico this beautiful > Thansgiving Day. I have some questions regarding clarification of > definitions, which have me somewhat confused. > > 1: SCOTCH/IRISH - exactly WHO does the term apply to? does it depend > on lineage, region, what period was it applied first etc. etc. etc. > > 2: DISSENTERS and COVENANTERS - I find it really tricky separating > the definitions and terminology surrounding the schism of the Chirch in > Scotland and would appreciate some clarity. > > My next set of questions will be Kincardine specific and event specific, > but I await your responses on these two first. Thank you in advance, if > the past reflects the future the response should be fascinating. > Jennifer Guthrie Ryan > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

I have been trying to decipher a film from the 1680s of the birth notices in Inverbervie. The writing has been done with a quill pen, I believe, and some of the terms are almost indecipherable or unfamiliar; e.g., al op(t?) man. In addition, after the father's name is given, it looks as if his home location is listed--peath BK or BX. Can anyone help me figure these two out? This would have been in the 1680s.Thanks. Margie

Greetings to Scotland from northern New Mexico this beautiful Thansgiving Day. I have some questions regarding clarification of definitions, which have me somewhat confused. 1: SCOTCH/IRISH - exactly WHO does the term apply to? does it depend on lineage, region, what period was it applied first etc. etc. etc. 2: DISSENTERS and COVENANTERS - I find it really tricky separating the definitions and terminology surrounding the schism of the Chirch in Scotland and would appreciate some clarity. My next set of questions will be Kincardine specific and event specific, but I await your responses on these two first. Thank you in advance, if the past reflects the future the response should be fascinating. Jennifer Guthrie Ryan

Hello List Is anyone viewing 1851 or 1861 census in or around St Cyrus/Marykirk areas? I am searching for the following family. George SCOTT (occupation Miller), born 1810 St Cyrus Isabel SCOTT (wife) born 1809 Dun Isabella SCOTT (d) born 1834 St Cyrus Alexander SCOTT (s) born 1836 Fordoun Jean SCOTT (d) born 1837 Fordoun James SCOTT (s) born 1839 Fordoun Elizabeth SCOTT (d) born 1840 Fordoun (died 1855 Hillside, Montrose) William SCOTT (s) born 1842 Fordoun (died 1862 Montrose) Mary SCOTT (d) born 1844 Fordoun Margaret SCOTT (d) born 1848 Fordoun. The family was at the Mill of Kincardine in 1841 and by 1855 some were in Hillside Montrose. George did not go to Montrose until c.late 1870's? Can anyone help find them. I have been trying for some time with no luck! Please help. Regards Cris

Hi all I thought you may like this one too! Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Madalene Frost To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:37 PM Subject: To all grandmas doing family history I couldn't resist submitting this one, gleaned from the Sussex list. Cheers, Grandma Madalene Grandma Climbed The Family Tree > > > > There's been a change in Grandma, we've > > noticed as of late > > She's always reading history, or jotting down some date. > > She's tracing back the family, we all have pedigrees. > > Grandma's got a hobby, she's climbing Family Trees... > > > > Poor Grandpa does the cooking, and now, or so he states, > > He even has to wash the cups and the dinner plates. > > Well, Grandma can't be bothered, she's busy as a bee, > > Compiling genealogy for the Family Tree. > > > > She has no time to baby sit, the curtains are a fright. > > No buttons left on Grandpa's shirt, the flower bed's a sight. > > She's given up her club work, the serials on TV, > > The only thing she does nowadays is climb the Family Tree. > > > > The mail is all for Grandma, it comes from near and far. > > Last week she got the proof she needs to join the DAR. > > A monumental project - to that we all agree, > > A worthwhile avocation - to climb the Family Tree. > > > > There were pioneers and patriots mixed with our kith and kin, > > Who blazed the paths of wilderness and fought through thick and thin. > > But none more staunch than Grandma, whose eyes light up with glee, > > Each time she finds a missing branch for the Family Tree. > > > > To some it's just a hobby, to Grandma it's much more. > > She learns the joys and heartaches of those who went before. > > They loved, they lost, they laughed, they wept - and now for you and me, > > > > They live again, in spirit, around the Family Tree. > > > > At last she's nearly finished, and we are each exposed. > > Life will be the same again, this we all suppose. > > Grandma will cook and sew, serve crullers with our tea. > > We'll have her back, just as before that wretched Family Tree... ==== DEVON Mailing List ==== The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon (http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/DEV/) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/)

Hello - looking for relatives of Peter Cruickshank, b 19 April 1770, and especially living relatives of siblings - James,b.13 March 1767, Allan, b.9May 1775, & Beatrice, b.13 March 1774. All born in Abernethy-Kincardine, Invernesshire. Peter, from whom I and 3 cousins I recently met on line are decended, immigrated to Pictou,NS in 1789. Know nothing about his siblings. there must be living relatives in Scotland, &/or elsewhere around the world? But whre are they. If you know any Cruickshanks, esp in Inverness area, please pass this query on. Thanks. Steve Hopkins USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com

Hello Debbie My Duthie side of the family had a connection to your Kear family in that Mary Duthie b 6 Mar 1826, Mill of Woodston, St Cyrus, daughter of Archibald Duthie and Mary Warden, married James Kear on 22 July 1854 at Montrose and they had the following family Annie Duthie Kear b 1 Jan 1856, Montrose, Angus (See MI below) James Kear b 20 Jul 1857 do. Mary Kear b 8 Mar 1859 Kirkden, Angus Isabella Kear b 24 Apr 1861 do. by the time of the 1881 census they were residing at 21 Seagate, Arbroath, see undernoted extract. I have also extracted from the 1881 census the undernoted families residing at St Cyrus and Kirkden who would appear to be related and are the only Kears recorded in Angus and Kincardineshire at the time of the census. >From the Pre 1855 MIs for Kincardineshire the following monumental inscription of John and Mgt Gruar/Grewer 'Nether Kirkyard, St Cyrus' 1862 by John Kear salmon fisher here d 2 12 1884 84 imo fa John Kear d 11 1838 88, s John & da Jean d in inf gda Annie Duthie Kear 3 6 1859 4y w Margt Grewer 12 1 1892 84. I hope this information is of some help to you with your research, if you wish to discuss or require further information re the Duthie family please do not hesitate to contact me off list at [email protected] Regards Alex. Gray Born Logie Pert, Angus, Scotland Now residing Rutherglen, South Lanarkshire, Scotland. Dwelling: Roadside Priv Ho Census Place: St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203471 GRO Ref Volume 267 EnumDist 4 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John KEAR M 79 M Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Salmon Fisher Mary KEAR M 72 F Stracathro, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary ADAMS 8 F St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Gd Daur Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 21 Seagate Census Place: Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 10 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James KEAR M 50 M St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Contractor Carter Mary KEAR M 55 F St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary KEAR U 21 F Kirkden, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Power Loom Canvas Weaver Isabella KEAR U 19 F Kirkden, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Dau Dwelling: 5 Lunan St Census Place: Kirkden, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203494 GRO Ref Volume 298 EnumDist 4 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James KEAR M 23 M Hillside Montrose, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Yarn Bleacher Mary KEAR M 25 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife James KEAR 4 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Maggia A. KEAR 2 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur John C. KEAR

Sorry folks - forgot to say that Ann was 47 when she died and that I have no other info on James hence my despair! ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Mitchell To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] James ANDERSON Hello fellow listers, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a rather tall brick wall! my ggg grandfather, James ANDERSON died before 1855. His wife Ann Anderson nee CLARK was very helpful and died in 1855 providing me with a very informative death cert! They had 10 children and the cert even had the children that had died in childhood! This certificate also highlighted the fact that her husband James Anderson was deceased and was a Chelsea Pensioner. They had lived in Logie Coldstone for the past 28 years and Ann died whilst living in Newkirk, Logie Coldstone. I have two queries - would SKS be able to do a look up on the 1851 census for any information on James or Ann Anderson and whether they were living at Newkirk then? Next - I have looked up the relevant files at the PRO for James as a Chelsea Pensioner to no avail - could anyone shed any light on the next thing to search? TIA regards Shirley ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hello fellow listers, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a rather tall brick wall! my ggg grandfather, James ANDERSON died before 1855. His wife Ann Anderson nee CLARK was very helpful and died in 1855 providing me with a very informative death cert! They had 10 children and the cert even had the children that had died in childhood! This certificate also highlighted the fact that her husband James Anderson was deceased and was a Chelsea Pensioner. They had lived in Logie Coldstone for the past 28 years and Ann died whilst living in Newkirk, Logie Coldstone. I have two queries - would SKS be able to do a look up on the 1851 census for any information on James or Ann Anderson and whether they were living at Newkirk then? Next - I have looked up the relevant files at the PRO for James as a Chelsea Pensioner to no avail - could anyone shed any light on the next thing to search? TIA regards Shirley

Hello, I am new to this site so I'm not sure if I'm going about this the right way, I am researching my family in Scotland. In particular the following: David Robertson, I don't have a birthdate but he married Ann Kear on April 30, 1869 in St. Cyrus Kincardinshire. Ann Kear was born August 9, 1840 in Roadside, Kincardinshire. I am also looking for information on their parents: Charles Robertson who married Agnes Walker John Kear who marred Mary Gruar on September 19, 1828 in St. Cyrus Kincardinshre. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows any information Debbie

Can anyone help. For some many years now I have been trying to locate the following: George SCOTT born c.1810 St Cyrus, KCD Isabel SCOTT wife born c.1800 Dun, Forfar Isabel daughter born 1834 St Cyrus Alexander son born 1836 Fordoun Jean daughter born 1837 Fordoun James son born 1839 Fordoun Elizabeth born 1840 Fordoun William born 1842 Fordoun Mary born 1844 Fordoun Margaret born 1848 Fordoun George's occupation was corn miller. They were at the Mill of Kincardine in 1841, but where in 1851??? George's wife Isabel and children Mary and William were in Montrose 1861. But still no sign of George and other children. George didn't die until 1894. He was in Montrose 1881 onwards. Can anyone help locate George in 1851/1861? Many Thanks Cris

Sorry Robyn Your mail returned with "permanent Fatal errors" Alastair

Please forgive me if anyone should receive this more than once. I'm sending the same query to several Lists. I've been trying for a long, long time now to locate my maternal 3rd grt grandfather, Simon BELL. After exhaustively searching thru' many, many records the following is what I have come up with that I know for sure: 1. Simon BELL was born in "Scotland", about 1790-91, to unknown parents. 2. He is recorded on both the 1841 Lonan, IOM and 1851 Douglas, IOM Censuses showing place of birth as "Scotland". 3. He married Jane Clague in Lezayre, IOM in December, 1813 and they had 8 known children. 4. The Parish Register of Marriages for Lezayre only indicates "Simon Bell of the Parish of KK Michael (IOM)". This is probably only his place of residence at the time of his marriage. 5. Jane died 1848, 58 years of age and is buried in Lezayre, IOM 6. There is no record of death/burial/MI for Simon Bell on the IOM anywhere. I would like to discover who Simon's parents were, where in Scotland he was born and what date exactly. A burial record would also come in handy. Not asking for much, am I? The LDS IGI records have been thoroughly searched to no avail, and Scots Origins also led me nowhere! Also, a 4th cousin living in Scotland has been pouring through various records, and we are still at a dead end! If anyone recognizes this couple, or has any suggestions as to how to locate 'where' in Scotland Simon was born, I would be most grateful to hear from you. Thank you, Pat

Hello all This is the first time I have posted anything on the list. For the last month I have sat and read all with great interest. I am most interested tracing the ancestors of my Grandfather, Francis James Cameron, born out of wedlock in Midmar Aberdeenshire on or about 7 December 1882. His mother was Margaret Christie born at Cluny Aberdeenshire on the 4th March 1862. Her parents were Francis Christie and Isabella Collie married in Cluny, Aberdeenshire, 24 February 1856. Margaret Christie is listed as living at Green of Raemoir, Banchory Ternan, Kincardine in the 1881 census. The mother and son came to New Zealand probably in 1901 and Margaret Christie married a Robert Eunson in 1905. Family history lists the father of Francis as James Cameron. As far as we can see there are a few possible candidates. One is James Cameron born in Crathie, Aberdeen about 1863 - he is listed as living at the same dwelling as Margaret in 1881. The other is James Cameron born about 1855 in Midmar Aberdeenshire. He is listed in the 1881 census as living at Kennel Croft, Midmar. If anyone has any info I would be pleased to hear it. Thank You Bob Cameron Robin and Bob Cameron 37A Chatsworth Pl Palmerston North New Zealand Ph 64 6 358 7132