Dear All: Here is the latest chapter from Burkes Peerage. There is becoming more recognition of the role that our Scottish Ancesters had on the USA history and even current events. These Scottish Ancesters had a large impact on the drafting of the constitution and the Bill of Rights etc. Anyway, here is the announcement and the location of the full article. Note that there are two chapters and you need to click on the bottom of the page to get to both chapters. Please feel free to forward to any other list or group that would be interested. Best Regards John A Hansen List Admin FROM BURKE’S PEERAGE AND GENTRY- AMERICA’S SCOTTISH HEROES The second chapter of Burke’s feature on Scottish Americans and their role in shaping US society is now online http://www.burkes-scotland.com In The Dollar to the Moon: Striving for Independence, Sarah Powell examines prominent Americans of Scottish descent, to show that “people of Scottish ancestry wielded a disproportionate influence on life in America.” The article highlights the major contribution of Scots colonialists in the push towards American Independence, pointing out that “as many as three quarters of the fifty-six signatories … of the Declaration of Independence … were Scots born or had some Scottish ancestry.” Indeed, Scottish influence continues right up to the present, as it is estimated that well over half of US Presidents to the present day have had some Scottish blood. Powell looks at the contributions of some of these presidents, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Franklin Roosevelt. She looks also at Scottish military prowess and the “numerous important revolutionary leaders of Scottish blood.” Powell’s article shows that “in making war as in forging peace and pursuing freedom and prosperity”, Scottish Americans have played, and are continuing to play a vital role in American life. Read the full article at www.burkes-scotland.com Coming soon – Chapter Three, ‘Characters of Legend’, will be published soon, and announced in the free e-mail newsletter, ‘Burke’s Peerage and Gentry Today’. Subscribe at http://www.burkes-scotland.com/code/page10.asp Subscribe to Burke’s Peerage and Gentry online database to access full family histories http://www.burkes-scotland.com/code/orderform.asp

Aye your right Ron, Burns's forefathers had some association with the Mearns but I'm sorry to say there is never been a serious suggestion he was born any where near Kincardineshire. There was in the 1950's - and may still be -a Burns Fatherland Club in Stonehaven. Perhaps I remember because I'm the proud owner of a book which was given to me, at the age of 12 years as a prize from the club for an essay on Burns. Never hit that dizzy heights of literary acclaim again though!! However I'm no authority on Burns , I'm not too bad at mediaeval history. One thing I have learned - check my sources before I write and if I can't prove it, leave it alone, there is enough misinformation with out my adding to it. I'm sorry to say Kincardineshire as such no longer officially exists having been swallowed by its northern neighbour in a governmental reshuffle. rgds John, an auld Stoney Loon. -------Original Message------- From: Ron Dempsey Date: 12 March 2002 12:17:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] RE: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V02 #34 Hi: If I may jump in. Robert Burns was born in Ayrshire not Kincardineshire. However, his father William was from Glenbervie and moved south and married there. The Burness family as it was spelled in Kincardinshire have been documented ther as far back as 1690. Also possibly, The Perthshire ancestor may have been born there at a placed that started with Dun.... and sounded like Dunottar to the cencsus taker. It would bee worth checking out. Cheers >Hi Alex, > >I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a >birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker >didn't know which was the actual birthplace. > >I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). >I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, >but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is >still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. >There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish >born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and >Perthshire. > >Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in >Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just >outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the >genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web >site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the >site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. > >If I can be of any more help, please let me know. >Dianne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:01 AM >To: SC[email protected] >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > >Hi, > >I need some help. > >I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, >which say that a relative was born at >Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. > >I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a >Town/Village called Dunnottar. > >The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and >Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. > >Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have >been changed since 1800..?? > >Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. > >I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, >Kincardineshire, is that true..?? > >Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to >near Stonehaven at one time..?? > >I'm really confused about this one. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jill Simon <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Mary Masson > >Hi :) >I found some information on the GRO Scots Origin site. In the 1891 census 2x >great-granny Mary Ann Burness has an adopted daughter Mary Masson age 9. >In the 1901 census Mary Masson adopted daughter age 18. >This was a surprise to me! I would love to find out more info about Mary >Masson. >Thanks >Jill :) >Nanaimo, BC > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Dianne Hendrix" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > >Thanks, I will post it to the list. >Dianne > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > > Burness Genealogy - Descendants of Walter Burness This is the Burness >web page Robert was born a Burness and changed it to Burns. I am also a >Burness way back. Mary > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Angie Pearson" <[email protected]> (by way of TCF <[email protected]>) >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help > >Can anyone tell me where Durrin Kincardinshire is.Does it still exist? >Ange > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: [email protected] >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] William Brown - Kincardine > >Hi, > >Can anyone help. > >My Brown family trail is now at >Kincardineshire, Scotland. > >I'm searching for Birth details of my Gr.Gr.Grandfather William Brown. > >I have quite a lot of details on him. > >He married Margaret Arbuckle, at Gorbals, >Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1819, so I guess he would have been born c. 1790-1800. >William and Margaret had a large family. > >He married Grace McMurray, at Rutherglen, >Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1851. > >I have him and his family on the 1851 Census, living at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. > >According to the details given on the Census, he was 46, and his birth place was Perthshire, Dunnottar. > >This is obviously a mistake, and should have been Kincardineshire, Dunnottar. > >I've found his Death details, and these seem >to confuse things even more. > >He died in 1880, aged 69, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The informant was his >Son, John Brown. Obviously the sums don't add up. > >The Parent details given add more confusion, >Father, James Brown, Engine Keeper, >Mother, not given. > >I wonder if William's son has made it up, or maybe he just didn't know. > >The Scottish naming pattern is evident all through my family, from myself back to William, where I think I've hit a brick wall. > >I had been expecting his father to be William also. > >Anyone come across this William Brown..?? > >Are there any sites that I can visit where I can get more details about the 'Brown' families in Kincardineshire..?? > > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Dianne, There are some errors in your reply to Alex that need to be corrected: 1. Stonehaven was in Kincardineshire until that county was absorbed into Aberdeenshire quite some number of years ago (late 1980s?). Kincardineshire no longer exists as an administrative entity. 2. Dunnottar Castle is about 1.5 miles south of Stonehaven. Unless Stonehaven has annexed considerable farm lands since I was last there in 1996, there is no way that one would consider Dunnottar Castle to now be part of Stonehaven. I'll agree that Dunnottar Castle is intimately connected with Stonehaven. 3. Dunnottar parish still exists and its boundaries haven't changed. Dunnottar parish always was part of Stonehaven (its northern boundary is the Carron water which runs between Old Stonehaven -- the harbour area and High Street (previously Market Street) -- and the new town of Stonehaven -- all lands north of the Carron water). Dunnottar parish has always included Dunnottar Church, which lies in the Dunnottar woods on the south side of the Carron burn and west of Stonehaven, as well as extends south to include Dunnottar Castle. Dunnottar Church is fairly new (by Scottish standards) having been originally built in the 13th century. It contains in its Kirkyard the Covenanters' Stone honoring those prisoners in Dunnottar Castle who died 1685 "for their adherence to the word of God and Scotland's Covenanted work of Reformation". There are other stones from the mid to late seventeenth century. At the site of Dunnottar Castle itself, there was a 'new' parish church from the 12th century a successor to an early chapel apparently dedicated to St. Ninian. The ruins of the chapel still in Dunnottar Castle retains some masonry and two small pointed windows on the south side of the building consecrated in 1276. However, I don't believe there are any memorial stones connected to this chapel (don't forget, Dunnottar Castle is build on rock and it would have been very difficult to bury individuals there). 4. Rabbie Burns was not born in Kincardineshire but Ayrshire (Jan 25, 1795 in a small house about two miles from the town of Ayr). However, his forebearers did hail from Kincardineshire -- in particular his father William Burness was the son of a farmer in in Kincardineshire. However, now of this sheds any light on why an 1851 Census entry would show the individual's birthplace as Perthshire, Dunnottar. Is it possible that the mother was in the process of moving from Dunnottar parish to Perthshire (or vice versa) and the birth/christening is recorded in two separate parishes? Ken Coull (born Stonehaven, Kincardineshire) -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:14:35 -0500 From: "Dianne Hendrix" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Hi Alex, I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker didn't know which was the actual birthplace. I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and Perthshire. Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. If I can be of any more help, please let me know. Dianne

Hi: If I may jump in. Robert Burns was born in Ayrshire not Kincardineshire. However, his father William was from Glenbervie and moved south and married there. The Burness family as it was spelled in Kincardinshire have been documented ther as far back as 1690. Also possibly, The Perthshire ancestor may have been born there at a placed that started with Dun.... and sounded like Dunottar to the cencsus taker. It would bee worth checking out. Cheers >Hi Alex, > >I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a >birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker >didn't know which was the actual birthplace. > >I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). >I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, >but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is >still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. >There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish >born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and >Perthshire. > >Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in >Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just >outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the >genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web >site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the >site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. > >If I can be of any more help, please let me know. >Dianne > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:01 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > >Hi, > >I need some help. > >I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, >which say that a relative was born at >Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. > >I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a >Town/Village called Dunnottar. > >The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and >Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. > >Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have >been changed since 1800..?? > >Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. > >I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, >Kincardineshire, is that true..?? > >Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to >near Stonehaven at one time..?? > >I'm really confused about this one. > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jill Simon <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Mary Masson > >Hi :) >I found some information on the GRO Scots Origin site. In the 1891 census 2x >great-granny Mary Ann Burness has an adopted daughter Mary Masson age 9. >In the 1901 census Mary Masson adopted daughter age 18. >This was a surprise to me! I would love to find out more info about Mary >Masson. >Thanks >Jill :) >Nanaimo, BC > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Dianne Hendrix" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > >Thanks, I will post it to the list. >Dianne > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire > > > Burness Genealogy - Descendants of Walter Burness This is the Burness >web page Robert was born a Burness and changed it to Burns. I am also a >Burness way back. Mary > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Angie Pearson" <[email protected]> (by way of TCF <[email protected]>) >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help > >Can anyone tell me where Durrin Kincardinshire is.Does it still exist? >Ange > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: [email protected] >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] William Brown - Kincardine > >Hi, > >Can anyone help. > >My Brown family trail is now at >Kincardineshire, Scotland. > >I'm searching for Birth details of my Gr.Gr.Grandfather William Brown. > >I have quite a lot of details on him. > >He married Margaret Arbuckle, at Gorbals, >Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1819, so I guess he would have been born c. 1790-1800. >William and Margaret had a large family. > >He married Grace McMurray, at Rutherglen, >Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1851. > >I have him and his family on the 1851 Census, living at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. > >According to the details given on the Census, he was 46, and his birth place was Perthshire, Dunnottar. > >This is obviously a mistake, and should have been Kincardineshire, Dunnottar. > >I've found his Death details, and these seem >to confuse things even more. > >He died in 1880, aged 69, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The informant was his >Son, John Brown. Obviously the sums don't add up. > >The Parent details given add more confusion, >Father, James Brown, Engine Keeper, >Mother, not given. > >I wonder if William's son has made it up, or maybe he just didn't know. > >The Scottish naming pattern is evident all through my family, from myself back to William, where I think I've hit a brick wall. > >I had been expecting his father to be William also. > >Anyone come across this William Brown..?? > >Are there any sites that I can visit where I can get more details about the 'Brown' families in Kincardineshire..?? > > >Best regards, > >Alex Brown * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Hi, Can anyone help. My Brown family trail is now at Kincardineshire, Scotland. I'm searching for Birth details of my Gr.Gr.Grandfather William Brown. I have quite a lot of details on him. He married Margaret Arbuckle, at Gorbals, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1819, so I guess he would have been born c. 1790-1800. William and Margaret had a large family. He married Grace McMurray, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1851. I have him and his family on the 1851 Census, living at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. According to the details given on the Census, he was 46, and his birth place was Perthshire, Dunnottar. This is obviously a mistake, and should have been Kincardineshire, Dunnottar. I've found his Death details, and these seem to confuse things even more. He died in 1880, aged 69, at Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland. The informant was his Son, John Brown. Obviously the sums don't add up. The Parent details given add more confusion, Father, James Brown, Engine Keeper, Mother, not given. I wonder if William's son has made it up, or maybe he just didn't know. The Scottish naming pattern is evident all through my family, from myself back to William, where I think I've hit a brick wall. I had been expecting his father to be William also. Anyone come across this William Brown..?? Are there any sites that I can visit where I can get more details about the 'Brown' families in Kincardineshire..?? Best regards, Alex Brown

Yes .... I put my hand up for researching the name of Emslie in Strachan .... Alexander Emslie (1807 - 1899) married to Helen Ferries. Parents William Emslie and Jane(Jean) Ferries. Alexander had 4 children. James 1853, Margaret 1855, Alexander 1857 and Francis 1859. There is also a Peter Emslie married to an Elspet Gove buried right next to Alexander - to date I haven't been able to make a connection .... can you? she says ever so hopefully .... Sharon researching GLASS EMSLIE COUTTS McKONDACH and GORDON in Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire special interests in parish of BIRSE, and the area of the FOREST OF BIRSE ----- Original Message ----- From: "kate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Tavendale Gove Emslie McHardy Smart and Sinclair > Is anyone researching the following names. > > Tavendale, Gove, Emslie Sinclair Smart and McHardy in Laurencekirk, Strachan, Fetteresso and Stonehaven. If there are other researchers I would love to hear from you. > > Regards > Kate > UK > > ______________________________

Can anyone tell me where Durrin Kincardinshire is.Does it still exist? Ange

Thanks, I will post it to the list. Dianne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire Burness Genealogy - Descendants of Walter Burness This is the Burness web page Robert was born a Burness and changed it to Burns. I am also a Burness way back. Mary

Hi Alex, I suspect the census record was listing both Perthshire and Dunnottar as a birth place because the person giving the information to the census taker didn't know which was the actual birthplace. I lived in Stonehaven (which is in Kincardinshire not Aberdeenshire). I have been to Dunnottar Castle, which is actually now part of Stonehaven, but was once a part of the Dunnottar "parish" , and in fact the church is still there etc., in Kincardinshire, but doubt it was ever PERTHSHIRE. There are 60 - 80 miles in between the two areas. My mother is Scottish born and raised, and has many books on the areas of both Kincardineshire and Perthshire. Also in response to your question about Rabbie Burns... yes he was born in Kincardinshire and his family is from that area. They were farmers just outside Stonehaven. I am a distant cousin. I have a document with the genealogy lines showing the relationship. There is also a man who has a web site with much more information on the Burns family, but can't remember the site address right now. I will look it out for you if you are interested. If I can be of any more help, please let me know. Dianne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Help - Kincardineshire Hi, I need some help. I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, which say that a relative was born at Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a Town/Village called Dunnottar. The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have been changed since 1800..?? Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, Kincardineshire, is that true..?? Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to near Stonehaven at one time..?? I'm really confused about this one. Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Alex Brown

Hi, I need some help. I have entries from the Scottish 1851 Census, which say that a relative was born at Perthshire, Dunnottar. He would have been born circa 1800. I am Scottish, and please forgive my ignorance, but I have never heard of a Town/Village called Dunnottar. The only Dunnottar I know of is Dunnottar Castle, near Stonehaven, and Glenbervie, which are in Aberdeenshire. Is it possible that the Shire boundaries have been changed since 1800..?? Is/was Dunnottar a Parish in Perthshire. I remember reading that Rabbie Burns' family came from Glenbervie, Kincardineshire, is that true..?? Did Kincardinshire stretch all the way up to near Stonehaven at one time..?? I'm really confused about this one. Any help would be much appreciated. Best regards, Alex Brown

Hi :) I found some information on the GRO Scots Origin site. In the 1891 census 2x great-granny Mary Ann Burness has an adopted daughter Mary Masson age 9. In the 1901 census Mary Masson adopted daughter age 18. This was a surprise to me! I would love to find out more info about Mary Masson. Thanks Jill :) Nanaimo, BC

Hi Kate I have McHardys and Sinclairs in those areas. What names are you particularly looking for? Lin UK ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: SCT-KINCARDINE-D Digest V02 #32

Hello Kate, I also have Tavendale's in Laurencekirk. My Elizabeth Tavendale married William Boyack in 1814, their daughter Mary was my G G Grandmother, she married John Donald 1839 in Laurencekirk. Do you see any relationship. Ruth Edwards

Is anyone researching the following names. Tavendale, Gove, Emslie Sinclair Smart and McHardy in Laurencekirk, Strachan, Fetteresso and Stonehaven. If there are other researchers I would love to hear from you. Regards Kate UK

1881 Census Dwelling: Queen Street Census Place: Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203468 GRO Ref Volume 254 EnumDist 1 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MOIR M 31 M Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Mary Ann MOIR M 30 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary Jane MOIR 7 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Johan MOIR 5 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Harriet MOIR 3 F St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur John MOIR 9 m M Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Son Ann MILNE W 50 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Mother In Law Occ: Boarder 1881 Census Dwelling: William Street Gourdon Census Place: Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203468 GRO Ref Volume 254 EnumDist 2 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MOIR M 66 M Marykirk, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Merchant Harriet MOIR M 67 F Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Merchant Wife Jemima M. RITCHIE U 17 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: G Daur Occ: ((Servant)) Marriage: James MOIR Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Harriet CHISHOLM Marriage: 23 Oct 1835 Arbuthnott, Kincardine, Scotland Birth: John MOIR Sex: M Event(s): Christening: 20 Jan 1850 Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Parents: Father: James MOIR Mother: Harriet CHISHOLM Marriage John MOIR Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Mary Ann GIBB Marriage: 21 Feb 1873 Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland 1881 Census Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MOIR M 31 M Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Mary Ann MOIR M 30 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary Jane MOIR 7 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Johan MOIR 5 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Harriet MOIR 3 F St Cyrus, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Daur John MOIR 9 m M Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Son Ann MILNE W 50 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Mother In Law Occ: Boarder > Hello. How is everyone? I am studying my family history and have been >tracing my family tree. My great, great, great grandfather John Moir was born >January 20, 1850 in Bervie, Kincardine. His wife Mary Ann Gibb was born in >1851 in Bervie, Kincardine. My great, great grandmother was Joan Moir. She >was born May 27, 1875 in Bervie, Kincardine. I was wondering if anyone has >information on these relatives? Can anyone help me trace back further or do >you know who can? Can anyone send me information on the town Bervie and the >surrounding areas? The history, customs, etc. I know John Moir was a merchant >seaman. Does anyone have any pictures of my relatives? I have a few pictures >of them and can send copies if anyone would like. > > Chuck Thompson > 24 Evergreen Village >Lane > Elma, Washington State >98541 > USA > [email protected] > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Lesley Robertson <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Tracing my ancestors > >> Can anyone send me information on the town Bervie and the >> surrounding areas? The history, customs, etc. > >If you look here http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi you will find >the Statistical Accounts for Scotland. They're not as dry as they sound - >they are accounts of the Parishes written by the Ministers and telling about >the area and the people. >Lesley Robertson > >______________________________ > >----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: "Marjorie J. Luhrs" <[email protected]> >To: SCT-KINCARDINE-L <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-KINCARDINE] Berry Family in Census > >Thank you Ruth for confirming what I thought would be the case >about the information shown >in a census. Unfortunately I have a relative whose research is >sloppy and inaccurate and this leads >him to unwarranted conclusions !!! > >For Mary’s benefit I am researching the family of my great >grandmother, Isabella Berry , who was >the daughter of John Berry and Isabella Sim. Isabella was >christened at Banchory Devenick in >1835. > >The 1841 Census shows the family living at a farm called > “Braeside” at Banchory Devenick with the >following members - John (30) farmer, Isabella (30) wife, Jane/Jean ( 8), >Isabella (5), Catharine (9 months) >and Euphemia Berry (60). >The IGI records that Jane/Jean Berry was christened at Keithall >and Kinkell in 1833 and that a later >child, William, was christened at Banchory Devenick in 1842. >Then, according to my aforementioned relative the family does not >appear, at the Banchory Devenick >location in the 1851 Census, but I would be grateful, Ruth, if >you would check this for me. >The only member of the family to be located in the 1851 census >is Isabella (my ggm) who was then >listed as a house servant(aged 16) on the farm of George Fowler. >Since my relative has then jumped to the conclusion that the rest >of the family must have emigrated >to North America (!!!!) I am anxious to locate them ! > >(The 1881 Census lists a John and Isabella Berry at Kincardine O’ >Neil, but this has been shown to >be a different family as the wife’s maiden name was Walker) > >Thanks to everyone who has helped me so far. > >Regards, >Marj in Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Get your free @ecosse.net account http://www.ecosse.net Scotland's Free Internet Service Provider * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Searching for family genealogical information on the below listed WISE/WYSE/WYS/WYSE/WACE ancestors/relatives whose roots trace back to old Kincardineshire, Scotland. Ancestors from Scotland link to the LOW, DOLLACE, YOUNG, TAIT, and COLLEY families of Kincardinshire, Scotland. Due to the closeness of MARYCULTER to the county line, these families could also be from Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Alexander Wise (b.c1620), George Wise (b.1648), David Wise (b.1681), and John Wise [Sr.] (1721-1780), as listed below, are now believed (with few exceptions) to be the ancestors of the Wise families concentrated in present day Effingham, Bulloch, Tattnall, Bryan, and Chatham Counties, Georgia, USA. Would like to exchange family info. with any/all relatives.. John F. Wise Montgomery, Alabama, USA Email: [email protected] Website URL: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/~jfwise ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. ALEXANDER WISE/WYSE, was born Abt. 1620 in Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire, Scotland. Parents are unknown. He married MARTHA LOW in Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire, Scotland. She was probably born Abt. 1620 in Arbuthnott, Kincardineshire, Scotland. 2. GEORGE WISE/WYSE, son of Alexander Wise (b. c1620), was born Abt. Oct 1648 in Arbuthnott, old Kincardineshire, Scotland. He married KATHEREN DOLLACE on 14 May 1680, in Arbuthnott, old Kincardineshire, Scotland. Her parents are unknown 3. DAVID WISE, son of GEORGE WISE/WYSE (b. 1648), was born Abt. Jul 1681 in Arbuthnot, in old Kincardineshire, Scotland. He married JEAN YOUNG 8 Sep 1709 in Arbuthnott Parish Church, Kincardineshire, Scotland. Her parents are unknown. 4. JOHN WISE [Sr.], RS-SC Militia, son of DAVID WISE/WYSE (b.1681) was born before 24 Jul 1721 in Arbuthnot, Kincardineshire, Scotland, and died Sep 1780 on an English Prison Ship in Charles Towne Harbor, Charleston District, English Province of SC. He married MARGARET TAIT (b. 1722) about 1740 in Maryculter Parish Church, old Kincardineshire, Scotland. Wife was a daughter of WILLIAM TAIT and his wife MARGARET COLLEY, probably of Maryculter, Kincardineshire, Scotland. Children of John Wise [Sr.], RS-SC Militia (1721-1780) and his wife Margaret Tait (b. 1722) are [there may have been more children]: i. John Wise [Jr.], RS-SC Militia, was born Abt. 1742 probably in Maryculter, Kincardineshire, Scotland? [unproven]; died in date and place unknown, probably in South Carolina or Georgia [USA}] {Please note that there is no proof yet found that a son of with this given name existed in this family]. ii. William Wise, RS-SC Militia, was born 29 Jan 1744 in Maryculter, Kincardineshire, Scotland; died 13 May 1816 at the William Wise Plantation, Old Mill Road, Bulloch Co., GA. iii. Jacob Wise, RS-SC Militia, was born 1753 in near the Scot Pee Dee River Settlement, Marion Co., English Province of SC; died 25 Sep 1845 at Horse Creek, Edgefield District, SC.

Thank you Ruth for confirming what I thought would be the case about the information shown in a census. Unfortunately I have a relative whose research is sloppy and inaccurate and this leads him to unwarranted conclusions !!! For Mary’s benefit I am researching the family of my great grandmother, Isabella Berry , who was the daughter of John Berry and Isabella Sim. Isabella was christened at Banchory Devenick in 1835. The 1841 Census shows the family living at a farm called “Braeside” at Banchory Devenick with the following members - John (30) farmer, Isabella (30) wife, Jane/Jean ( 8), Isabella (5), Catharine (9 months) and Euphemia Berry (60). The IGI records that Jane/Jean Berry was christened at Keithall and Kinkell in 1833 and that a later child, William, was christened at Banchory Devenick in 1842. Then, according to my aforementioned relative the family does not appear, at the Banchory Devenick location in the 1851 Census, but I would be grateful, Ruth, if you would check this for me. The only member of the family to be located in the 1851 census is Isabella (my ggm) who was then listed as a house servant(aged 16) on the farm of George Fowler. Since my relative has then jumped to the conclusion that the rest of the family must have emigrated to North America (!!!!) I am anxious to locate them ! (The 1881 Census lists a John and Isabella Berry at Kincardine O’ Neil, but this has been shown to be a different family as the wife’s maiden name was Walker) Thanks to everyone who has helped me so far. Regards, Marj in Australia

> Can anyone send me information on the town Bervie and the > surrounding areas? The history, customs, etc. If you look here http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi you will find the Statistical Accounts for Scotland. They're not as dry as they sound - they are accounts of the Parishes written by the Ministers and telling about the area and the people. Lesley Robertson

Hello. How is everyone? I am studying my family history and have been tracing my family tree. My great, great, great grandfather John Moir was born January 20, 1850 in Bervie, Kincardine. His wife Mary Ann Gibb was born in 1851 in Bervie, Kincardine. My great, great grandmother was Joan Moir. She was born May 27, 1875 in Bervie, Kincardine. I was wondering if anyone has information on these relatives? Can anyone help me trace back further or do you know who can? Can anyone send me information on the town Bervie and the surrounding areas? The history, customs, etc. I know John Moir was a merchant seaman. Does anyone have any pictures of my relatives? I have a few pictures of them and can send copies if anyone would like. Chuck Thompson 24 Evergreen Village Lane Elma, Washington State 98541 USA [email protected]

Hi List, I have just discovered the parents of my Valentine ancestor. They are James VALENTINE (Ag Farmer) & Margaret TIVENDALE. They had a daughter Jane VALENTINE (b. 1797, d. 7 Aug 1869). Does anyone have have a connection to this family? Best wishes Janet Connochie Christchurch, NZ