Elizabeth John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael John's birth 12th correct ? (Mullgen has 1st May) I can't find it at all in IGI M www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft > Dear Ida and Michael, > Now that I am on a roll, here is the third pioneer McDougall family > from Mull to Mariposa. From the OPR: > > John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. > Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 > Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael > John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael > > I don't have it written, but if my memory servies me right, they > were later to Mariposa, in the 1840's. Murdock says in the 1901 census he > (and his parents, etc) emigrated in 1834. > > Re my Neil and Sarah. One bonus is that the 1841 tax assessments > have survived for Mariposa. In it are both fathers - Neil and Donald. > Neil says besides Sarah and himself there are: 2 males under 16 > > 3 males 16 and over > > 2 females under 16 > > 1 female 16 and over for a total of eight children - although the > older occupants could be parents of Neil or Sarah. This is why I still > feel there are kids missing for both families - eg. possibly an Alexander > and a Catherine. > > All the best. > Elizabeth. > >> From: moshi94@hotmail.com >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:37:39 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and >> Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >> >> Dear Ida and Michael, >> Forgot to include in the info below that also not in the OPR is >> Donald as son of Neil and Sarah, b. 4.5.1824/6, and Allan b. 4.8.1819 as >> a son. (but they could be Donald's sons, not Neil's). They are >> definitely my relations but whether siblings of my ggrandmother >> Christine, or first cousins, I do not know. >> >> And another reason for the elusiveness is that of all the >> historic atlases produced of the Ontario counties in the 1870's and >> 1880's none was done of - Victoria County. A facsimile was done of >> 1900-1901 but it hardly rates for research in the 1820's-30's there is so >> little in it. >> >> In answer to your question Michael, I suspect that Donald and >> Neil, probably born circa 1780's, are brothers, with John McLucais in the >> 1779 census as their father, but have no proof to date. >> >> I think the Catherine Beechroft could be a daughter of Neil or >> Donald. The only Catherine I have found to date is one in McNeil >> Cemetery, wife of a G.W. Angus, b 22.5.1827 d 8.5.1905, says the >> tombstone. >> >> All the best. >> Elizabeth. >> >> > From: moshi94@hotmail.com >> > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:45:44 +0000 >> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who >> > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >> > >> > Dear Ida and Michael, >> > Yes, the family Michael found by another link is mine. I >> > haven't offered it because I don't know if parts of it are correct/not >> > in error. >> > >> > There are three big problems with the McDougalls of Mariposa. >> > >> > 1. There is a nine-year gap in the OPR re kids in >> > Torranachtrach and Killunaig - 1818-1827. Whether the two pioneer >> > couples got non-religious or there was no minister or the minister got >> > lazy posting, who knows. >> > >> > 2. The 1851/2 census for Mariposa is lost. The '51 is so >> > important in Ontario because it gives the pioneer kids. By 1861 most >> > have left home - the girls to married names. >> > >> > 3. The McDougalls used the alias of McLucas and McLucais and >> > others I probably haven't found until circa 1825. I don't know enough >> > about the clan history but I assume it came out of the '45 rebellion. >> > >> > Here is what I have from the OPR: >> > >> > Neil McLucais/McDougall of Killunaig m. Sarah/Marion Campbell >> > of Torrenichruich 25.2.1815 - my 2ggrandparents >> > Mary McLucas c 2.1.1816 Killunaig >> > John McLucas c 13.4.1817 Killunaig >> > Murdock McLucais c 7.7.1827 Killunaig >> > Marion McDougall c 8.1.1830 Killunaig >> > >> > Donald McLucais of Torranauchtrach m Julia Paterson of >> > Torrranuachdrach 27.2.1816 >> > Neil McLucais c 5.2.1817 >> > Duncan McLucais c 3.11.1828 >> > Hector McDougall c 10.8.1830 >> > >> > But I also have the following based on 2-4 cross-references >> > all with question marks (save my ggrandmother and her sister) >> > >> > Christina and Isabella said to be twins b. 10.1835 no day - >> > 1901 census to the first couple >> > >> > John 1821 >> > Janet 1824 - has a daughter Julia >> > Flora 1826 - with mother in 1871 census >> > Ann - b. 1.9.1826 c 16.6 1827 tombstone Wick Cemetery, buried >> > with her father. >> > >> > So, as I say, Catherine could be in either of these two >> > families to Mariposa. The next steps would be to check her marriage in >> > 1842 on microfilm to see if the father is named as often was in the >> > 1840's and to find the death certificate on microfilm under Beechcroft. >> > >> > Other kids still to find? >> > >> > All the best. >> > Elizabeth. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message