Found it with spelling error McDOUJAL John Mcdoujal christening: 1 May 1821 KILFINICHEN AND KILVICKEON,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND father:John Mcdoujal mother:Jane Thoburn Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <mf@mullfamilies.plus.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Whois Catherine McDougall Beechroft > Elizabeth > > John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. > Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 > Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael > John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael > > John's birth 12th correct ? (Mullgen has 1st May) > > I can't find it at all in IGI > > > > M > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> > To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft > > >> Dear Ida and Michael, >> Now that I am on a roll, here is the third pioneer McDougall >> family >> from Mull to Mariposa. From the OPR: >> >> John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. >> Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 >> Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael >> John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael >> >> I don't have it written, but if my memory servies me right, they >> were later to Mariposa, in the 1840's. Murdock says in the 1901 census >> he >> (and his parents, etc) emigrated in 1834. >> >> Re my Neil and Sarah. One bonus is that the 1841 tax assessments >> have survived for Mariposa. In it are both fathers - Neil and Donald. >> Neil says besides Sarah and himself there are: 2 males under 16 >> >> 3 males 16 and over >> >> 2 females under 16 >> >> 1 female 16 and over for a total of eight children - although the >> older occupants could be parents of Neil or Sarah. This is why I still >> feel there are kids missing for both families - eg. possibly an Alexander >> and a Catherine. >> >> All the best. >> Elizabeth. >> >>> From: moshi94@hotmail.com >>> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:37:39 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and >>> Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >>> >>> Dear Ida and Michael, >>> Forgot to include in the info below that also not in the OPR is >>> Donald as son of Neil and Sarah, b. 4.5.1824/6, and Allan b. 4.8.1819 as >>> a son. (but they could be Donald's sons, not Neil's). They are >>> definitely my relations but whether siblings of my ggrandmother >>> Christine, or first cousins, I do not know. >>> >>> And another reason for the elusiveness is that of all the >>> historic atlases produced of the Ontario counties in the 1870's and >>> 1880's none was done of - Victoria County. A facsimile was done of >>> 1900-1901 but it hardly rates for research in the 1820's-30's there is >>> so >>> little in it. >>> >>> In answer to your question Michael, I suspect that Donald and >>> Neil, probably born circa 1780's, are brothers, with John McLucais in >>> the >>> 1779 census as their father, but have no proof to date. >>> >>> I think the Catherine Beechroft could be a daughter of Neil or >>> Donald. The only Catherine I have found to date is one in McNeil >>> Cemetery, wife of a G.W. Angus, b 22.5.1827 d 8.5.1905, says the >>> tombstone. >>> >>> All the best. >>> Elizabeth. >>> >>> > From: moshi94@hotmail.com >>> > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:45:44 +0000 >>> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who >>> > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >>> > >>> > Dear Ida and Michael, >>> > Yes, the family Michael found by another link is mine. I >>> > haven't offered it because I don't know if parts of it are correct/not >>> > in error. >>> > >>> > There are three big problems with the McDougalls of Mariposa. >>> > >>> > 1. There is a nine-year gap in the OPR re kids in >>> > Torranachtrach and Killunaig - 1818-1827. Whether the two pioneer >>> > couples got non-religious or there was no minister or the minister got >>> > lazy posting, who knows. >>> > >>> > 2. The 1851/2 census for Mariposa is lost. The '51 is so >>> > important in Ontario because it gives the pioneer kids. By 1861 most >>> > have left home - the girls to married names. >>> > >>> > 3. The McDougalls used the alias of McLucas and McLucais and >>> > others I probably haven't found until circa 1825. I don't know enough >>> > about the clan history but I assume it came out of the '45 rebellion. >>> > >>> > Here is what I have from the OPR: >>> > >>> > Neil McLucais/McDougall of Killunaig m. Sarah/Marion Campbell >>> > of Torrenichruich 25.2.1815 - my 2ggrandparents >>> > Mary McLucas c 2.1.1816 Killunaig >>> > John McLucas c 13.4.1817 Killunaig >>> > Murdock McLucais c 7.7.1827 Killunaig >>> > Marion McDougall c 8.1.1830 Killunaig >>> > >>> > Donald McLucais of Torranauchtrach m Julia Paterson of >>> > Torrranuachdrach 27.2.1816 >>> > Neil McLucais c 5.2.1817 >>> > Duncan McLucais c 3.11.1828 >>> > Hector McDougall c 10.8.1830 >>> > >>> > But I also have the following based on 2-4 cross-references >>> > all with question marks (save my ggrandmother and her sister) >>> > >>> > Christina and Isabella said to be twins b. 10.1835 no day - >>> > 1901 census to the first couple >>> > >>> > John 1821 >>> > Janet 1824 - has a daughter Julia >>> > Flora 1826 - with mother in 1871 census >>> > Ann - b. 1.9.1826 c 16.6 1827 tombstone Wick Cemetery, buried >>> > with her father. >>> > >>> > So, as I say, Catherine could be in either of these two >>> > families to Mariposa. The next steps would be to check her marriage >>> > in >>> > 1842 on microfilm to see if the father is named as often was in the >>> > 1840's and to find the death certificate on microfilm under >>> > Beechcroft. >>> > >>> > Other kids still to find? >>> > >>> > All the best. >>> > Elizabeth. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message