Hi Ida, I had a quick look on the index's in SA and there are at least three Peter born with 5 years of one another to three different families. If someone needs to follow up on any of these i'm happy to look up as I have all the SA indexes at home. I just checked for McArthur deaths again - all at or near Mt Gambier Dist GREY Peter died 26-08-1892 age 86 died near mt Gambier S.Aust Ref204/293 Peter died 14 Dec 1902 aged 37 died Millicent SA Ref 291/232 Peter Dugald died 29-4-1911 died Mt Gambier SA Ref 256/424 Many years ago I did know a Mr McArthur in the Robe area of south Australia who was a descendant of early settlers from Mull. If there is someone wanting more info i have access to most of the SA records. Jean -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle and Ida King Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 1:20 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur Hi Jean I remember you ?, Neil or Adrain asking about a Peter McArthur b abt 1806 Caitchean Iona and he dies Aug 28 1892 at Mt Gambier Australia but they didn't mention who his parents were other than the fact he may have had 3 wives ???? Anything is possible when we all send what little tidbits we have on anyone. Thanks again Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > Hi Ida. > I'm not related in any way, but just throw in the info that there was a > McArthur family in South Australia who had very strong links with that > area > (I remember doing some lookups for them)so don't dsicpount that some may > have migrated to South Australia. jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle and Ida > King > Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013 6:20 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > > Hi Jan > > Thanks for the date of death of this Isabel (McArthur) McGilvra (my > spelling) it explains why the family appears in 1871 Tomavulin TBR. now to > sort out the children of Archibald McArthur and Catherine McLean as > there's > possibly 2 or 3 of them (:-(((( > > The witness Flora McGilvra must be the one who m's Allan McMasters Feb 26 > 1861 in TBR M115491, 0047 > > Thanks again > Ida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Peasnell" <2012janmp@gmail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > > >> Hello Ian and Ida, >> >> The Isabella McARTHUR from Tobermory died on 25 June 1877 in (Tomavulin?) >> Tobermory aged 83 her parents were Archibald McARTHUR Farmer (Dec) and >> Catherine McLEAN (Dec) The witness was Flora McMASTER, daughter. >> >> The another brother Angus McGILVRAY Labourer, Single who died 30 June >> 1877 >> aged 35 (Tomavulin?) Tobermory. Parents Donald McGILVRAY And Isabella >> McARTHUR. Witness Flora McMASTER. <message snipped by Ida> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can identify with this problem, Jean. I have two ancestral males who were cousins of one another born 4 yrs apart in the 1820s. The rounding of ages for the 1841 census made things much worse. "What if I married them to the wrong woman" I thought? The only way of being certain *is* to purchase census and the death certificate for them both and hope the information on the certificate is complete and accurate. I will wager that this is not unique and that if a researcher doesn't purchase certificate information there could be many trees that need shaking around. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > Hi Ida, > I had a quick look on the index's in SA and there are at least three Peter > born with 5 years of one another to three different families. If someone > needs to follow up on any of these i'm happy to look up as I have all the SA > indexes at home. > I just checked for McArthur deaths again - all at or near Mt Gambier Dist > GREY > Peter died 26-08-1892 age 86 died near mt Gambier S.Aust Ref204/293 > Peter died 14 Dec 1902 aged 37 died Millicent SA Ref 291/232 > Peter Dugald died 29-4-1911 died Mt Gambier SA Ref 256/424 > Many years ago I did know a Mr McArthur in the Robe area of south Australia > who was a descendant of early settlers from Mull. If there is someone > wanting more info i have access to most of the SA records. > Jean >

Not unique at all. Death certificates were key to determining which Mary McCormick (first cousins, close in age) married which husband. I think the lesson here is that while we can make educated guesses based on naming patterns and ages and even the census records...it's hard to be certain without a certificate that names the parents be it marrage or death...and even then, errors may have been made on the certificate. On 9/27/2013 5:00 AM, Janet wrote: > I can identify with this problem, Jean. I have two ancestral males who were cousins of > one another born 4 yrs apart in the 1820s. The rounding of ages for the 1841 census made > things much worse. "What if I married them to the wrong woman" I thought? The only way > of being certain *is* to purchase census and the death certificate for them both and hope > the information on the certificate is complete and accurate. I will wager that this is > not unique and that if a researcher doesn't purchase certificate information there could > be many trees that need shaking around. > > Janet >

Pleased you agree with me Linda. We cant make guesses in these circumstances if we want accurate records. My point, we have to purchase records for certainty. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <manateemum@gmail.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > Not unique at all. Death certificates were key to determining which Mary > McCormick (first cousins, close in age) married which husband. > > I think the lesson here is that while we can make educated guesses based > on naming patterns and ages and even the census records...it's hard to > be certain without a certificate that names the parents be it marrage or > death...and even then, errors may have been made on the certificate. > > On 9/27/2013 5:00 AM, Janet wrote: >> I can identify with this problem, Jean. I have two ancestral males who were cousins of >> one another born 4 yrs apart in the 1820s. The rounding of ages for the 1841 census >> made >> things much worse. "What if I married them to the wrong woman" I thought? The only >> way >> of being certain *is* to purchase census and the death certificate for them both and >> hope >> the information on the certificate is complete and accurate. I will wager that this is >> not unique and that if a researcher doesn't purchase certificate information there >> could >> be many trees that need shaking around. >> >> Janet >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean Thanks for this. I hope someone will notice these amongst the Archives. Thanks again Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > Hi Ida, > I had a quick look on the index's in SA and there are at least three Peter > born with 5 years of one another to three different families. If someone > needs to follow up on any of these i'm happy to look up as I have all the > SA > indexes at home. > I just checked for McArthur deaths again - all at or near Mt Gambier Dist > GREY > Peter died 26-08-1892 age 86 died near mt Gambier S.Aust Ref204/293 > Peter died 14 Dec 1902 aged 37 died Millicent SA Ref 291/232 > Peter Dugald died 29-4-1911 died Mt Gambier SA Ref 256/424 > Many years ago I did know a Mr McArthur in the Robe area of south > Australia > who was a descendant of early settlers from Mull. If there is someone > wanting more info i have access to most of the SA records. > Jean >