Trying to unravel the NUMEROUS Donald McGilvray-Isabella McArthur families I'll use Mullgenealogy's census records for ease of use On Mullgenealogy there's the following listed Isobel MCARTHUR Birth : abt 1800 Baptised : Died : 16 Nov 1861, Catchean, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland Buried : Father : John MCARTHUR Mother : Janet MCPHIE Marriage 1 : Donald MCGILVRAY 1 Feb 1820 Children John (bir) 12 Feb 1821 - Hector (bap) 9 Jan 1822 - Jannet (bap) 24 Aug 1823 - 31 Mar 1912 Neil (bap) 14 Apr 1824 - 3 Feb 1901 Neil (bap) 24 Feb 1826 - Flora (bir) 16 Apr 1827 - Hector (bir) 11 Oct 1828 - Catherine (bir) abt 1829 - Mary (bir) 12 Sep 1830 - 19 Jan 1893 Marrion (bir) 3 Aug 1831 - Margaret (bap) 15 Jun 1833 - Peggy (bap) 9 Jun 1835 - 1 Jul 1855 Angus (bir) abt 1835 - Ann (bir) abt 1836 - Marrion (bap) 9 Jun 1838 - Alarm bells started ringing when I saw 15 children listed (possible but improbable) Looking at the Census we have firstly the Iona family 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 9 Page No : 6 House No : 23 Locality : Kilimore 18412446 McGilvray Donald 50 Cotter Y in Parish >> died 1863 Catchean McGilvray Isabella 45 Y in Parish >> died 1861 Catchean McGilvray Hector 18 Y in Parish McGilvray Cathrine 12 Y in Parish McGilvray Angus 7 Y in Parish McGilvray Ann 5 Y in Parish McPhee Angus 50 Y in Parish Now we see the Tir Fearagain family 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page No : 2 House No : 7 Locality : Tirergain 18412007 McGilvra Donald 40 Agric Labourer Y in Parish McGilvra Isabella 40 Y in Parish McGilvra John 15 Y in Parish > John above ? McGilvra Niel 14 Y in Parish > fits with Neil bap 1826 > poss died 1896 Salen McGilvra Mary 12 Y in Parish > Mary above McGilvra Pegy 6 Y in Parish > fits with Margaret bap 1835 McGilvra Marion 2 Y in Parish > fits with Marion bap 1838 McGilvra Jessy 15 Y in Parish > Janet above ? If these 6 children are removed from the Iona family, that would leave a managable 9 children (about average) To further complicate matters, I have a possible third family (excluding even more from Kilninian) This 'third' family had a dau Catherine/Ketty, dau Flora who married Allan McMaster of Kilmallie, and a son Angus who died 1877 Tobermory This is the 'third' family 1861 & 1871 Census 1861 Tobermory District No : 2 Page No : 8 House No : 39 Locality : Argyle Terrace 18616188 MacGilvray Donald 64 Head Labourer Parish of Kilfichen MacGilvray Isabella 60 Wife Labourer's wife Parish of Kilfichen >> nee McArthur MacGilvray Ketty 30 Dau Parish of Kilfichen Campbell Mary 6 Niece Parish of Kilfichen MacLean Jessy 2 Niece Tobermory ??? Sally Ann 5mths Niece Tobermory 1871 Tobermory District No : 1 Page No : 16 House No : 102 Locality : Tom a Vulin 18716219 McGilvery Donald 78 Head Late Shepherd Argyleshire Kin*ch****den McGilvery Bill 76 Wife Edinburgh McGilvery Angus 28 Son Fisherman Argyleshire Kin*ch****den Any help sorting this lot out appreciated as always Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Further to this post, I have other thoughts worth sharing The following Census 1841-1861(trimmed from Mullgenealogy) is what I think are the one family . As dau Margaret/Peggy died 1855 Catchean, it looks like the 1841 Tir Fearagain family is the Iona one (Parents Donald & Isabella also dying Catchean) This actually makes more sense, as children Catherine & Angus are not with this family, but are part of the Tobermory lot 1841 Kilfinichen Tirergain McGilvra Donald 40 Agric Labourer Y in Parish McGilvra Isabella 40 Y in Parish McGilvra John 15 Y in Parish McGilvra Niel 14 Y in Parish McGilvra Mary 12 Y in Parish McGilvra Pegy 6 Y in Parish McGilvra Marion 2 Y in Parish McGilvra Jessy 15 Y in Parish 1851 Iona Fionnphort McGilvray Donald 60 Farms 4a Kilfinichen McGilvray Bell 50 w Kilfinichen McGilvray John 30 s shoemaker Kilfinichen McGilvray Janet 31 dil >>>>>> nee ? m. John ? McGilvray Niel 24 s Ferryman Kilfinichen McGilvray Marion 13 d Kilfinichen McDonald John 15 Uv 1861 Iona Ferry House McGilvray Donald 70 Head Ferryman Argyllshire Kilfinichen McGilvray Isobel 60 Wife Argyllshire Kilfinichen McGilvray Niel 30 Son Agricultural Labourer Argyllshire Iona McGilvray Marrion 21 Dau Domestic Servant Argyllshire Iona McCormick Margaret 6 Grand Daughter Scholar Argyllshire Iona Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <mf@mullfamilies.plus.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:26 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McGilvray-McArthur > Trying to unravel the NUMEROUS Donald McGilvray-Isabella McArthur families > > I'll use Mullgenealogy's census records for ease of use > > On Mullgenealogy there's the following listed > > Isobel MCARTHUR > Birth : abt 1800 > Baptised : > Died : 16 Nov 1861, Catchean, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland > Buried : > Father : John MCARTHUR > Mother : Janet MCPHIE > Marriage 1 : Donald MCGILVRAY 1 Feb 1820 > Children > John (bir) 12 Feb 1821 - > Hector (bap) 9 Jan 1822 - > Jannet (bap) 24 Aug 1823 - 31 Mar 1912 > Neil (bap) 14 Apr 1824 - 3 Feb 1901 > Neil (bap) 24 Feb 1826 - > Flora (bir) 16 Apr 1827 - > Hector (bir) 11 Oct 1828 - > Catherine (bir) abt 1829 - > Mary (bir) 12 Sep 1830 - 19 Jan 1893 > Marrion (bir) 3 Aug 1831 - > Margaret (bap) 15 Jun 1833 - > Peggy (bap) 9 Jun 1835 - 1 Jul 1855 > Angus (bir) abt 1835 - > Ann (bir) abt 1836 - > Marrion (bap) 9 Jun 1838 - > > Alarm bells started ringing when I saw 15 children listed (possible but > improbable) > > Looking at the Census we have firstly the Iona family > > 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 9 Page No : 6 House No : > 23 Locality : Kilimore 18412446 > McGilvray Donald 50 Cotter Y in Parish >> died 1863 Catchean > McGilvray Isabella 45 Y in Parish >> died 1861 Catchean > McGilvray Hector 18 Y in Parish > McGilvray Cathrine 12 Y in Parish > McGilvray Angus 7 Y in Parish > McGilvray Ann 5 Y in Parish > McPhee Angus 50 Y in Parish > > Now we see the Tir Fearagain family > > 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page No : 2 House No : > 7 Locality : Tirergain 18412007 > McGilvra Donald 40 Agric Labourer Y in Parish > McGilvra Isabella 40 Y in Parish > McGilvra John 15 Y in Parish > John above ? > McGilvra Niel 14 Y in Parish > fits with Neil bap 1826 > poss > died 1896 Salen > McGilvra Mary 12 Y in Parish > Mary above > McGilvra Pegy 6 Y in Parish > fits with Margaret bap 1835 > McGilvra Marion 2 Y in Parish > fits with Marion bap 1838 > McGilvra Jessy 15 Y in Parish > Janet above ? > > If these 6 children are removed from the Iona family, that would leave a > managable 9 children (about average) > > To further complicate matters, I have a possible third family (excluding > even more from Kilninian) > > This 'third' family had a dau Catherine/Ketty, dau Flora who married Allan > McMaster of Kilmallie, and a son Angus who died 1877 Tobermory > > This is the 'third' family 1861 & 1871 Census > > 1861 Tobermory District No : 2 Page No : 8 House No : 39 Locality : > Argyle Terrace 18616188 > MacGilvray Donald 64 Head Labourer Parish of Kilfichen > MacGilvray Isabella 60 Wife Labourer's wife Parish of Kilfichen >> > nee McArthur > MacGilvray Ketty 30 Dau Parish of Kilfichen > Campbell Mary 6 Niece Parish of Kilfichen > MacLean Jessy 2 Niece Tobermory > ??? Sally Ann 5mths Niece Tobermory > > 1871 Tobermory District No : 1 Page No : 16 House No : 102 Locality > : Tom a Vulin 18716219 > McGilvery Donald 78 Head Late Shepherd Argyleshire Kin*ch****den > McGilvery Bill 76 Wife Edinburgh > McGilvery Angus 28 Son Fisherman Argyleshire Kin*ch****den > > Any help sorting this lot out appreciated as always > > > Michael > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message