Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> Sent: 22/11/2013 06:17 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean Hello Ida, I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. Jan Peasnell On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > Hi Dana > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll > changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who > your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b > abt > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a > Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my > guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I > could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run > of connecting these families up. > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 > Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 > Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 > Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M > 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 > Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Born: Nov; 5/12 > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 a younger one: > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M > 48 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > Religion: C. Baptist > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish > O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish > O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 > Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O > <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish > O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish > O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Baptist > > thanks again Ida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi Ida, > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that > > were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." > > Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor > > was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling > > changed for my side > of > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record > > for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also > > found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I > > was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig > > mill. (Where Angus once > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I > > have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie > > MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of > > Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that > > Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are > > thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. > > Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > coming > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are > > sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his > > decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track > > down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > > The > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have > > been a > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as > > his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has > > all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I > > find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > Dana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am not sure that the Duke is the man we need to be looking to for this, as I think that the ministers and eventually the registrars when the registration of births, deaths and marriages became compulsory are more likely to have been the people responsible for it. Certainly, there would have been mention of names in the Argyll Estate papers, but officialdom was more related to ecclesiastical and subsequently official records of the state. I have some evidence of the involvement of ministers in the Anglicisation of surnames in the Inveraray area (which is not directly the subject that we are on, but one which is closely related). Some of my Inveraray ancestors had the surname Bell, which was originally given in the parish register of Glenaray and Inveraray as MacIlvoyle or McIlvoyle, (Gaelic Mac Ghille Mhaoil - son of the servant of the tonsured one), but in the mid 18th century this changes in the parish register to Bell, and it seems to me that the minister of the day is responsible for this, although there is gravestone evidence in the parish that these Gaelic speaking people still considered their surname to be MacIlvoyle. Just to add to my own personal tuppenceworth, it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be too concerned about. James > From: jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:52:02 +1030 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack > Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> > Sent: 22/11/2013 06:17 > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hello Ida, > > I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. > > Jan Peasnell > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > > > Hi Dana > > > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll > > changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. > > > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who > > your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b > > abt > > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a > > Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my > > guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I > > could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run > > of connecting these families up. > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 > > Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 > > Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M > > 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Born: Nov; 5/12 > > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > 1881 a younger one: > > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M > > 48 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > > Religion: C. Baptist > > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O > > <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Baptist > > > > thanks again Ida > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > > > > Hi Ida, > > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that > > > were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." > > > Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor > > > was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling > > > changed for my side > > of > > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record > > > for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also > > > found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I > > > was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig > > > mill. (Where Angus once > > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I > > > have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie > > > MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of > > > Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that > > > Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are > > > thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. > > > Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > > coming > > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are > > > sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his > > > decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track > > > down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > > > The > > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have > > > been a > > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as > > > his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has > > > all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I > > > find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I tend to agree - my experience is that Mc/Mac/M' are all interchangeable in the years when most people weren't literate - it just depended on how the minister/session clerk/census enumerator etc.. spellt it. Different branches of the same family often settled on different spellings once spelling became fixed. My line uses MacCormick but I have cousins who use McCormick and MacCormack and the name has shown up on records as M'Cormick and far enough back as McCormaig as well. Today we see different spellings as distinct names and would never assume that McKechnie and MacEachern were from the same family but that wasn't true 150 years ago when a family may have been McKechnie in one census but 10 years earlier or later they were MacEachern. Same with Mc/Mac On 11/22/2013 4:25 AM, James Beaton wrote: > I am not sure that the Duke is the man we need to be looking to for this, as I think that the ministers and eventually the registrars when the registration of births, deaths and marriages became compulsory are more likely to have been the people responsible for it. Certainly, there would have been mention of names in the Argyll Estate papers, but officialdom was more related to ecclesiastical and subsequently official records of the state. > I have some evidence of the involvement of ministers in the Anglicisation of surnames in the Inveraray area (which is not directly the subject that we are on, but one which is closely related). Some of my Inveraray ancestors had the surname Bell, which was originally given in the parish register of Glenaray and Inveraray as MacIlvoyle or McIlvoyle, (Gaelic Mac Ghille Mhaoil - son of the servant of the tonsured one), but in the mid 18th century this changes in the parish register to Bell, and it seems to me that the minister of the day is responsible for this, although there is gravestone evidence in the parish that these Gaelic speaking people still considered their surname to be MacIlvoyle. > Just to add to my own personal tuppenceworth, it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be too concerned about. > James >> From: jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:52:02 +1030 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll >> >> Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack >> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >> >> Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> ________________________________ >> From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> >> Sent: 22/11/2013 06:17 >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >> >> Hello Ida, >> >> I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. >> >> Jan Peasnell >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: >> >>> Hi Dana >>> >>> I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll >>> changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. >>> >>> Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who >>> your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. >>> >>> I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b >>> abt >>> 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a >>> Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my >>> guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I >>> could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run >>> of connecting these families up. >>> >>> 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 >>> Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) >>> Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 >>> Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> >>> 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M >>> 35 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Born: Nov; 5/12 >>> Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> >>> 1881 a younger one: >>> Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M >>> 48 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist >>> Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland >>> Religion: C. Baptist >>> Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist >>> Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O >>> <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Baptist >>> >>> thanks again Ida >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> >>> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >>> >>> >>>> Hi Ida, >>>> Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that >>>> were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." >>>> Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor >>>> was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling >>>> changed for my side >>> of >>>> the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record >>>> for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also >>>> found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I >>>> was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig >>>> mill. (Where Angus once >>>> worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I >>>> have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie >>>> MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of >>>> Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that >>>> Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are >>>> thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. >>>> Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also >>> coming >>>> to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are >>>> sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his >>>> decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track >>>> down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. >>>> The >>>> Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have >>>> been a >>>> grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as >>>> his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has >>>> all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I >>>> find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. >>>> Dana >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
An interesting discussion on Mac/Mc - one which we've certainly had amongst our family over the years who are now a mix of the spelling like others. My great grandfather born 1836 on Mull is shown as MacPhail on the OPR, all emigration & NZ records are Mac. However we have a couple of documents he signed while on Mull, one a cheque on the Clydesdale Bank in 1865, where he signs his name as McPhail but in both cases there is a 'dot/full stop' under the 'c'. I recall someone saying that a dot under the 'c' signified a letter was missing (i.e. the 'a'). Has anyone else heard of this? Regards Moira
Hi, For what its worth I tend to agree with James. If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' and other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I guess that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read and write first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess this could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. Ian On 22 November 2013 09:25, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > I am not sure that the Duke is the man we need to be looking to for this, > as I think that the ministers and eventually the registrars when the > registration of births, deaths and marriages became compulsory are more > likely to have been the people responsible for it. Certainly, there would > have been mention of names in the Argyll Estate papers, but officialdom was > more related to ecclesiastical and subsequently official records of the > state. > I have some evidence of the involvement of ministers in the Anglicisation > of surnames in the Inveraray area (which is not directly the subject that > we are on, but one which is closely related). Some of my Inveraray > ancestors had the surname Bell, which was originally given in the parish > register of Glenaray and Inveraray as MacIlvoyle or McIlvoyle, (Gaelic Mac > Ghille Mhaoil - son of the servant of the tonsured one), but in the mid > 18th century this changes in the parish register to Bell, and it seems to > me that the minister of the day is responsible for this, although there is > gravestone evidence in the parish that these Gaelic speaking people still > considered their surname to be MacIlvoyle. > Just to add to my own personal tuppenceworth, it seems to me the Mc/Mac > dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be > too concerned about. > James > > From: jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:52:02 +1030 > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The > book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan > Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this > is illegal according to the current Duke. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack > > Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source > of information. > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > ________________________________ > > From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> > > Sent: 22/11/2013 06:17 > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hello Ida, > > > > I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac > or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are > used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of > Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca > >wrote: > > > > > Hi Dana > > > > > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll > > > changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further > on that topic. > > > > > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who > > > your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > > > > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b > > > abt > > > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a > > > Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my > > > guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I > > > could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run > > > of connecting these families up. > > > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > > Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 > > > Scottish Scotland > > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 > > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 > > > Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > > Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M > > > 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 > > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > Born: Nov; 5/12 > > > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > > > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > > > 1881 a younger one: > > > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > > Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M > > > 48 Scottish Scotland > > > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > > > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > > > Religion: C. Baptist > > > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > > > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish > > > O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish > > > O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 > > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O > > > <Ontario> > > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish > > > O <Ontario> > > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish > > > O <Ontario> > > > Religion: C. Baptist > > > > > > thanks again Ida > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ida, > > > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that > > > > were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." > > > > Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor > > > > was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling > > > > changed for my side > > > of > > > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record > > > > for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also > > > > found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I > > > > was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig > > > > mill. (Where Angus once > > > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I > > > > have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie > > > > MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of > > > > Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that > > > > Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are > > > > thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. > > > > Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > > > coming > > > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are > > > > sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his > > > > decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track > > > > down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended > up in Collingwood also. > > > > The > > > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have > > > > been a > > > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as > > > > his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has > > > > all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I > > > > find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >