My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to McCarten and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As for changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a good reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. Jacqueline[ On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought that in looking at these names, it is important not > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not a family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather than necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > Best wishes > James > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in Ireland. If this were > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull many years ago. > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and others using Mc are > > recorded in your records. > > > > Janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' and > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I guess > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read and write > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess this > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Tartan and spelling, what about kirking the tartan? My faither told me how bad the DoA was, how he diddled my GGrandfather out of a farm but I have seen some of my GGF's letters and I think the DoA was right. At least the Doctor that got the property liked a dram and at the end of his tenure, the Tiristeach put a statue up to him! On 23 November 2013 23:17, JACQUELINEARCHIBALD <yedida@eastlink.ca> wrote: > My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to McCarten > and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples > choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As for > changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say > what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a good > reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by > anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient > identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a > very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear > many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. > Jacqueline[ > > On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought > that in looking at these names, it is important not > > > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially > non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not a > family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in > Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be > given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking > context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is > actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual > historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather than > necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, > although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > > Best wishes > > James > > > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in > Ireland. If this were > > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull > many years ago. > > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and > others using Mc are > > > recorded in your records. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' > and > > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I > guess > > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read > and write > > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess > this > > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sláinte, Lachaidh *Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein loma-làn easgannan?*

Everyone talks about 'The Duke of Argyll' as if he is just one man. During the 1800's there were at least 4 dukes and they all did differnt things and had various things to contend with. One Duke was the Governor General of Canada and the newspaper articles of the time don't seem to indicate that he was in any way unpopular over there. Jan Peasnell On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Lachie Macquarie <lachiedamn@gmail.com>wrote: > Tartan and spelling, what about kirking the tartan? > > My faither told me how bad the DoA was, how he diddled my GGrandfather out > of a farm but I have seen some of my GGF's letters and I think the DoA was > right. At least the Doctor that got the property liked a dram and at the > end of his tenure, the Tiristeach put a statue up to him! > > > On 23 November 2013 23:17, JACQUELINEARCHIBALD <yedida@eastlink.ca> wrote: > > > My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to > McCarten > > and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples > > choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As > for > > changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say > > what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a > good > > reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by > > anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient > > identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a > > very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear > > many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. > > Jacqueline[ > > > > On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought > > that in looking at these names, it is important not > > > > > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially > > non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not > a > > family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in > > Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be > > given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking > > context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is > > actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual > > historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather > than > > necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, > > although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > > > Best wishes > > > James > > > > > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in > > Ireland. If this were > > > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull > > many years ago. > > > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and > > others using Mc are > > > > recorded in your records. > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' > > and > > > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and > I > > guess > > > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read > > and write > > > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I > guess > > this > > > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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