Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages Linda et al >> 3. Vol. XXVI, July - December, 1829, p. 412 - Deaths - 8 July 1829 - At >> Edinburgh, at the house of Mr. Grieve, her brother-on-law, London St., >> Miss C. Maclean. {Could this another daughter for John Maclean, of >> Inverscadell? His daughter, Mary Ann, married Mackenzie Grieve.} > Note: Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve Possibly Sibella Maclean (think phonetically), if widow, wife of John Maclean of Inverscadale as I believe it was Sibella's sister Ann who was married to Dr Grieve (brother-in-law)? Think Clan Gillean incorrect here. >> Same Vol, p. 601 - Marriages - 7 December 1820 - At Auchnacraig, Mull, >> John Maclean, Esq., of Ardow, to Christian, only daughter of Alexander >> Campbell, Esq. Possibly son of Donald Maclaine and Ellen ? , son of Hugh, son of Hector of Kilmory. >> 13. Vol. V, April - September 1819, p. 253* - Marriages - 26 April 1819 - >> At Edinburgh, Alexander Hunter, Esq., W. S., to Marie, third daughter of >> Alexander Maclean, Esq. of Coll > She was the fourth daughter - can someone confirm when her elder sisters > Janet and Sibella died? Catherine died in 1863. Janet died in 1803, the year after her marriage, Sibella died 16/11/1830, not married and Catherine 22/2/1863 in Australia. Edwin > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Edwin, Thanks so much for your comments. I'm still checking on the second (7 December 1820) reference, but wanted to share comments on the first (8 July 1829) reference. Note for Sibella Maclean (daughter of Sir Allan MacLean & Una Maclean), wife of John MacLean, of Inverscadale: (I have Sibella born about 1756, died 18 Nov. 1839 - based on the following): >From the Seneachie, p. 229: Sibella, a lady of high accomplishments, now {In 1838} residing near Cheltenham. She was married to John Maclean of Inverscadell, by whom she had issue a son and a daughter. >From Clan Gillean,p. 470: Sibella was married to John Maclean of Inverscadale. >From A History of the Clan MacLean, p. 227: Sibella married John MacLean of Inverscadell, by whom she had a son and daughter. From: MacLeans - A Biographical Dictionary of Mull People Mainly in the 18th and 19th Centuries, compiled by Jo Currie, p. 64-65: Sibella MacLean (c. 1753 - ?) dau. of Sir Allan Maclean (q.v.) & Una Maclean of Coll, m. 1779 John Maclean of Inverscadale and was only ch. of Sir Allan to have ch. - 1 son unmarried and 1 dau., Mary Ann, who m. Dr. MacKenzie Grieve, from whom any claimants of relationship must descend. >From Burke's Landed Gentry of Scotland, p. 932: Sibella m. John Maclean, of Inverscadell. From: The Gentleman's Magazine, Vol. XII, July to December 1839, p. 644 - Deaths: November 18 - At Cheltenham, in her 83rd year, Mrs. Maclean, relict of John Maclean, esq., and eldest surviving daughter of the late Sir Allan Maclean, Bart. Note for Mary Ann Maclean, daughter of Sibella & John, wife of Dr. MacKenzie-Grieve: >From the Seneachie: Mary Anna, who married Dr. MacKenzie Grieve, by whom she had two sons and one daughter. Her son, John MacLean Mackenzie Grieve is proprietor of Hutton Hall, Berwickshire. >From Clan Gillean: Mary Ann was married to Dr. Mackenzie Grieve. >From A History of the Clan MacLean, p. 279: Mary Anna married Doctor MacKenzie Grieve. Do not know if this is the same "Mackenzie Grieve" as I did not have his name as "Andrew Mackenzie Grieve: Note for Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve - based on the following, I would say that he died prior to Mar. 27, 1828: Extracted from The Barcaldine Papers - Papers of the Campbell Family of Barcaldine [National Archives of Scotland] 1539-1857 : 67 Papers relative to lands of Sallachan sold by Duncan Campbell of Barcaldine to Robert Downie of Appine and lands of Ellerich sold to Dr. Andrew McKenzie Grieve 1816-1819 68 Contract between John Grieve, accountant in Edinburgh, factor for trustees of deceased Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve of Glenure and Duncan Campbell of Barcaldine, whereby said John dispones to said Duncan lands in parishes of Ardchattan, Appin and Lesmore which were formerly disponed by said Duncan to said Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve 27 Mar 1828 And for the son of Mary Ann Maclean & "Mackenzie Grieve", John Maclean Mackenzie Grieve, I have him born about 1811, based on the following (which provides his date of death: >From The Seneachie: John MacLean MacKenzie Grieve is {in 1838} proprietor of Hutton Hall, Berwickshire. From: Annual Register for the Year 1891, p. 135 - Obituary (February) - On the 4th at Paris, aged 80, John Maclean Mackenzie Grieve, of Hutton Hall, Berwickshire, N.B. Entered the Guards, and was one of the officers of the day in the coronation of William IV. In 1840 he went to Paris on a visit, but from that time made it his home. Took an active part in racing matters, and was one of the Committee of the Jockey Club. And for Ann Maclean, daughter of Sir Allan MacLean & Una MacLean, and sister to Sibella Maclean, I have her born about 1757, died October 17, 1840, unmarried, based on the following: >From the Seneachie and Clan Gillean and A History of the Clan MacLean: Ann died unmarried. From: The Gentleman's Magazine, Vol. XIV, July - December 1840, p. 673: Death's - 17 October - At Bath, aged 83, Miss Maclean, daughter of the late Sir Allan Maclean, of Maclean, Bart. So, my question would be, if the "Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve" referenced above is the correct husband of Mary Ann Maclean (daughter of Sibella & John), then I don't think he could be the same as the "Mr. Grieve" referenced in the 8 July 1829 death notice. Would you agree? If that being the case, could there have been another Grieve-Maclean marriage that we haven't come across yet? I would welcome comments on this. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Maclean" <emaclean@ansonic.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages > > Linda et al > >>> 3. Vol. XXVI, July - December, 1829, p. 412 - Deaths - 8 July 1829 - At >>> Edinburgh, at the house of Mr. Grieve, her brother-on-law, London St., >>> Miss C. Maclean. {Could this another daughter for John Maclean, of >>> Inverscadell? His daughter, Mary Ann, married Mackenzie Grieve.} >> Note: Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve > > Possibly Sibella Maclean (think phonetically), if widow, wife of John > Maclean of Inverscadale as I believe it was Sibella's sister Ann who was > married to Dr Grieve (brother-in-law)? Think Clan Gillean incorrect here. > >>> Same Vol, p. 601 - Marriages - 7 December 1820 - At Auchnacraig, Mull, >>> John Maclean, Esq., of Ardow, to Christian, only daughter of Alexander >>> Campbell, Esq. > > Possibly son of Donald Maclaine and Ellen ? , son of Hugh, son of Hector > of > Kilmory. > >>> 13. Vol. V, April - September 1819, p. 253* - Marriages - 26 April >>> 1819 - >>> At Edinburgh, Alexander Hunter, Esq., W. S., to Marie, third daughter of >>> Alexander Maclean, Esq. of Coll >> She was the fourth daughter - can someone confirm when her elder sisters >> Janet and Sibella died? Catherine died in 1863. > > Janet died in 1803, the year after her marriage, Sibella died 16/11/1830, > not married and Catherine 22/2/1863 in Australia. > > Edwin > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda >From IGI Batch No. C119821: Birth of John Grieve on 29 Mar 1810 at Edinburgh, son of Andrew Mackenzie Grieve and Mary Anne MacLeod. (Maclean). so the Mackenzie Grieve who married Mary Ann Maclean was Andrew Mackenzie Grieve. If the part in death notice saying 'brother-in-law' is correct don't see how fits in above family as according to Jo Currie any descendents must be found in Mary Ann Maclean's family. Mystery yet to be solved? Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas W Bennion" <twbennion@nc.rr.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages >> From: MacLeans - A Biographical Dictionary of Mull People Mainly in the >> 18th > and 19th Centuries, compiled by Jo Currie, p. 64-65: Sibella MacLean (c. > 1753 - ?) dau. of Sir Allan Maclean (q.v.) & Una Maclean of Coll, m. 1779 > John Maclean of Inverscadale and was only ch. of Sir Allan to have ch. - 1 > son unmarried and 1 dau., Mary Ann, who m. Dr. MacKenzie Grieve, from whom > any claimants of relationship must descend. > Note for Mary Ann Maclean, daughter of Sibella & John, wife of Dr. > MacKenzie-Grieve: >>From the Seneachie: Mary Anna, who married Dr. MacKenzie Grieve, by whom >>she > had two sons and one daughter. Her son, John MacLean Mackenzie Grieve is > proprietor of Hutton Hall, Berwickshire. > >>From Clan Gillean: Mary Ann was married to Dr. Mackenzie Grieve. > >>From A History of the Clan MacLean, p. 279: Mary Anna married Doctor > MacKenzie Grieve. > > Do not know if this is the same "Mackenzie Grieve" as I did not have his > name as "Andrew Mackenzie Grieve: > > Note for Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve - based on the following, I would say > that he died prior to Mar. 27, 1828: > And for the son of Mary Ann Maclean & "Mackenzie Grieve", John Maclean > Mackenzie Grieve, I have him born about 1811, based on the following > (which > provides his date of death: > >>From The Seneachie: John MacLean MacKenzie Grieve is {in 1838} proprietor >>of > Hutton Hall, Berwickshire. > > From: Annual Register for the Year 1891, p. 135 - Obituary (February) - On > the 4th at Paris, aged 80, John Maclean Mackenzie Grieve, of Hutton Hall, > Berwickshire, N.B. Entered the Guards, and was one of the officers of the > day in the coronation of William IV. In 1840 he went to Paris on a visit, > but from that time made it his home. Took an active part in racing > matters, > and was one of the Committee of the Jockey Club. > > > So, my question would be, if the "Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve" referenced > above is the correct husband of Mary Ann Maclean (daughter of Sibella & > John), then I don't think he could be the same as the "Mr. Grieve" > referenced in the 8 July 1829 death notice. Would you agree? > If that being the case, could there have been another Grieve-Maclean > marriage that we haven't come across yet? > > I would welcome comments on this. > > Linda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edwin Maclean" <emaclean@ansonic.com.au> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:49 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages > > >> >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages >> >> Linda et al >> >>>> 3. Vol. XXVI, July - December, 1829, p. 412 - Deaths - 8 July 1829 - At >>>> Edinburgh, at the house of Mr. Grieve, her brother-on-law, London St., >>>> Miss C. Maclean. {Could this another daughter for John Maclean, of >>>> Inverscadell? His daughter, Mary Ann, married Mackenzie Grieve.} >>> Note: Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve >> >> Possibly Sibella Maclean (think phonetically), if widow, wife of John >> Maclean of Inverscadale as I believe it was Sibella's sister Ann who was >> married to Dr Grieve (brother-in-law)? Think Clan Gillean incorrect here. >> >>>> Same Vol, p. 601 - Marriages - 7 December 1820 - At Auchnacraig, Mull, >>>> John Maclean, Esq., of Ardow, to Christian, only daughter of Alexander >>>> Campbell, Esq. >> >> Possibly son of Donald Maclaine and Ellen ? , son of Hugh, son of Hector >> of >> Kilmory. >> >>>> 13. Vol. V, April - September 1819, p. 253* - Marriages - 26 April >>>> 1819 - >>>> At Edinburgh, Alexander Hunter, Esq., W. S., to Marie, third daughter >>>> of >>>> Alexander Maclean, Esq. of Coll >>> She was the fourth daughter - can someone confirm when her elder sisters >>> Janet and Sibella died? Catherine died in 1863. >> >> Janet died in 1803, the year after her marriage, Sibella died 16/11/1830, >> not married and Catherine 22/2/1863 in Australia. >> >> Edwin >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Came across the following that may also be of interest to the list (and especially to Edwin Maclean and Jean Whimp): >From Burke's Colonial Gentry (1891), by Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., LL. D., Vol. 1, pp. 201-202: Holmes of Hawkestone House Lineage - The family of Holmes came from the West of England and settled principally in Down, Tyrone, and Londonderry, in Ireland, during the plantation of Ulster, in the reign of James I. Others of the name came from the Lowlands of Scotland, and settled in Cavan, Longford, and Antrim. The immediate ancestors of the Hon. Mathew Holmes were farmers residing at Strabane, in Ireland, for about 150 years. The Hon. Mathew Holmes was the last of that particular branch, and about fifteen years ago, he sold his interest in the last farm held by the family in Tyrone. James Holmes, Esq., of Ballycolinan, Strabane, Ireland, m. Elizabeth Watson, who d. about 1843. He d. about 1818, leaving a son, Mathew, of whom we treat. HOLMES, HON. MATHEW, of Hawkestone House, Wellington; Cintra, Dunedin; Awa Moa, Oamaru; Castlerock, Lumsden; and Manipora, Southland, all in New Zealand; member of the Legisltative Council of that colony; b. near Strabane, in Ireland, 15th September, 1817; m. at Strathallan, near Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 26th May 1841, Anne, youngest daughter of Allan McLean, Esq., of Strathallan, formerly of Coll, Argyllshire, Scotland, and has issue, 1. Allan, of Dundein, Otago, New Zealand, barrister and solicitor, b. 25th January, 1845; m. Lillias Waldie Wyndholm, and has issue, one son and a daughter. 2. James Stuart, of Awa Moa, Oamaru, Otago, b. 14th July, 1847; m. Kate, daughter of ___ Miller, Esq., of Edinburgh, and has three sons. 3. Mathew Stuart, b. 4th October, 1855, unm. 4. Elizabeth, b. 14th April, 1842; m. D. S. Warren, Esq., late of Melbourne, deceased, and has one son and four daughters. 5. Isabella, b. 1st April, 1846; m. the Hon. George MacLean, M.L.C., J.P., of Dunedin, and has one son and five daughters. 6. Annie Julia, b. 7th February, 1852; m. John White, Esq., of Dunedin, solicitor, and has four sons and two daughters. 7. Kate McLean, b. 17th July, 1858, unm. In the early days of the colony the Hon. M. Holmes was a member of the Provincial Council of Southland, and afterwards of the Provincial Council of Otago. Regards, Linda Bennion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Maclean" <emaclean@ansonic.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Some Births/Deaths/Marriages > > Linda et al > >>> 3. Vol. XXVI, July - December, 1829, p. 412 - Deaths - 8 July 1829 - At >>> Edinburgh, at the house of Mr. Grieve, her brother-on-law, London St., >>> Miss C. Maclean. {Could this another daughter for John Maclean, of >>> Inverscadell? His daughter, Mary Ann, married Mackenzie Grieve.} >> Note: Dr. Andrew Mackenzie Grieve > > Possibly Sibella Maclean (think phonetically), if widow, wife of John > Maclean of Inverscadale as I believe it was Sibella's sister Ann who was > married to Dr Grieve (brother-in-law)? Think Clan Gillean incorrect here. > >>> Same Vol, p. 601 - Marriages - 7 December 1820 - At Auchnacraig, Mull, >>> John Maclean, Esq., of Ardow, to Christian, only daughter of Alexander >>> Campbell, Esq. > > Possibly son of Donald Maclaine and Ellen ? , son of Hugh, son of Hector > of > Kilmory. > >>> 13. Vol. V, April - September 1819, p. 253* - Marriages - 26 April >>> 1819 - >>> At Edinburgh, Alexander Hunter, Esq., W. S., to Marie, third daughter of >>> Alexander Maclean, Esq. of Coll >> She was the fourth daughter - can someone confirm when her elder sisters >> Janet and Sibella died? Catherine died in 1863. > > Janet died in 1803, the year after her marriage, Sibella died 16/11/1830, > not married and Catherine 22/2/1863 in Australia. > > Edwin > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >