Yes, Garth, and as Elizabeth has pointed out the reverse is true for Sonya, another border town, where Mariposa residents will be found married in Brock Township because the church they attended was actually on the Brock side of the border. And if I am remembering correctly, you've pointed out to me a similar situation regarding newspapers i.e. needing to read the old local newspapers on both sides of the border, or even on all possible borders, since one never knows where the news will be reported, regardless of where the people lived for decades. Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garth M Bray, Dr." <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:37 pm Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Marriages found in Mariposa Victoria Co., Ont that have Mull and Tiree as birthplaces To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Another fact that underscores Louise's point is that Manilla is > located on the border of Brock and Mariposa Townships, although > technically, it is located in Mariposa. > Garth > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [sct-arl-tiree- > [email protected]] on behalf of Louise MacDougall > [[email protected]]Sent: December 7, 2011 2:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Marriages found in Mariposa > Victoria Co., Ont that have Mull and Tiree as birthplaces > > Hi Ida, > > This is a good point you have raised in general about Mariposa > Township, Victoria County marriages for Tiree and Mull folk who > emigrated to Canada and settled in Ontario. > > What I would like to add is that the bride and groom may never > have actually lived in Mariposa Township, despite it being the > place of marriage for many of them. > > It took me a long time to figure this out, mainly thanks to > Betty MacKinnon who first pointed it out to me by finding my > Mary McDougall's marriage to my Donald Clark (yes I'm related to > both of them, it was a first cousin marriage). They were > married 03 Feb 1852 in the town of Manilla, Mariposa Township, > Victoria County where I would have never considered looking > because they lived in a different jurisdiction: Brock Township, > (old) Ontario County. > > I then found out that, at the time, Manilla had a population of > over 700 and boasted of 5 (FIVE!) churches. Logically > then, Manilla was likely where most of the Tiree folk, who were > concentrated around the 7th and 8th concessions of Brock > township, attended church, since the Manilla churches would have > been the closest ones to them even though they were in the a > different county. > > It was a confusing situation because these Tiree folk would be > married in Mariposa Township,Victoria County where they never > resided (except for a few who settled just over the border of > the two townships, in Mariposa). But then they would be > buried in the Scotch Cemetery in Brock Township where they > actually lived. The reason of course was that, though the > Tiree folk had had their own cemetery in Brock on the 8th > Concession since the 1830's, to my knowledge there was likely > never a church associated with that cemetery. > > I don't think that the Mull folk in Brock Township were in the > same predicament. I understand that the main Mull > settlement in Brock township was around the Wick/McNeill > cemetery which did have a church associated with it. That > is the more usual scenario i.e. a cemetery grows up around the > church which the people attend and so they are married and > buried as part of that same congregation. > > Of course, both Tiree and Mull folk living closer to the the > town of Sunderland, Brock Township would have been married and > buried there. > > I would say that a researcher is quite likely to find Tiree folk > from Brock Township being married in the neighbouring township > and county of Mariposa, Victoria. And possibly also a few > Mull folk from Brock Township might have married across the > border in Mariposa for a variety of reasons too. > > If someone else can add more to this description please do, > > Louise MacDougall > Vancouver, BC > ________________ > webmaster: > http://www.tireegathering.com >

Ooops, looks I made a mistake in my previous post. Elizabeth McDonald pointed out that she has found "that most marriages in Ontario pre-1867 give just the civil district, that is, the township name, and not the village. So anywhere in the township is where the person lived." Or by extension, anywhere in the township is where the marriage took place, even if the persons did not live in that township. This made me realize that the McDougall-Clark marriage could not have said Manilla, Mariposa Township way back in 1852. I checked the image, and sure enough, the McDougall-Clark marriage only says the township. And I was even wrong about the township. They were married right in Brock where they lived, so presumably married at home. I was getting their marriage confused with close Brock relatives of theirs whose marriage did in fact take place across the border in Manilla, but that info did not come from the Ontario marriage records, it came from an obituary. Thanks for making me think about it further, Elizabeth. But I will redeem myself by offering you a theory about where your Flora McNaughton came from. Louise MacDougall ----- Original Message ----- From: Louise MacDougall <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Marriages found in Mariposa Victoria Co., Ont that have Mull and Tiree as birthplaces To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] > > Hi Ida, > > > > This is a good point you have raised in general about Mariposa > > Township, Victoria County marriages for Tiree and Mull folk > who > > emigrated to Canada and settled in Ontario. > > > > What I would like to add is that the bride and groom may never > > have actually lived in Mariposa Township, despite it being the > > place of marriage for many of them. > > > > It took me a long time to figure this out, mainly thanks to > > Betty MacKinnon who first pointed it out to me by finding my > > Mary McDougall's marriage to my Donald Clark (yes I'm related > to > > both of them, it was a first cousin marriage). They were > > married 03 Feb 1852 in the town of Manilla, Mariposa Township, > > Victoria County where I would have never considered looking > > because they lived in a different jurisdiction: Brock > Township, > > (old) Ontario County. > > > > I then found out that, at the time, Manilla had a population > of > > over 700 and boasted of 5 (FIVE!) churches. Logically > > then, Manilla was likely where most of the Tiree folk, who > were > > concentrated around the 7th and 8th concessions of Brock > > township, attended church, since the Manilla churches would > have > > been the closest ones to them even though they were in the a > > different county. > > > > It was a confusing situation because these Tiree folk would be > > married in Mariposa Township,Victoria County where they never > > resided (except for a few who settled just over the border of > > the two townships, in Mariposa). But then they would be > > buried in the Scotch Cemetery in Brock Township where they > > actually lived. The reason of course was that, though > the > > Tiree folk had had their own cemetery in Brock on the 8th > > Concession since the 1830's, to my knowledge there was likely > > never a church associated with that cemetery. > > > > I don't think that the Mull folk in Brock Township were in the > > same predicament. I understand that the main Mull > > settlement in Brock township was around the Wick/McNeill > > cemetery which did have a church associated with it. > That > > is the more usual scenario i.e. a cemetery grows up around the > > church which the people attend and so they are married and > > buried as part of that same congregation. > > > > Of course, both Tiree and Mull folk living closer to the the > > town of Sunderland, Brock Township would have been married and > > buried there. > > > > I would say that a researcher is quite likely to find Tiree > folk > > from Brock Township being married in the neighbouring township > > and county of Mariposa, Victoria. And possibly also a > few > > Mull folk from Brock Township might have married across the > > border in Mariposa for a variety of reasons too. > > > > If someone else can add more to this description please do, > > > > Louise MacDougall > > Vancouver, BC > > ________________ > > webmaster: > > http://www.tireegathering.com