From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:25:45 +0000 Dear Ted, You brushed me off two months ago when I sent a posting offering to help. But I'll try again, Ted. The Murdock McDougall/Ann McFerguson couple you mention in paragraph seven below is my family - from Mull and settling in Mariposa Township, Victoria County, Ontario. At the time I wrote before I said that Allan (as well as Murdock) is a very uncommon name in Scotland (from my experience of 35 years of doing genealogy) and I thought we were related. I still think so. My Murdock had a brother Allan who farmed with him in Mariposa, while their father Neil was alive. Later they had separate farms. Who witnesses your couple's's marriage in Toronto in 1866? I don't have my McDougall binders here with me to-day, but if you wish more information, please write. All the best. Elizabeth McDonald, Sarnia, Ontario. > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:17:05 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > > To list members: This is a long post, for which, my apologies. It > concerns McDougall families with Scottish roots, living in Ontario, > Canada, in the 1800s. > > Hello, Ida, Tricia and the list: After a longer-than-expected hiatus, I > am back to searching for 18th-19th century McDougalls. I am grateful > for your suggestions and questions, and I will respond to some of them > in this email. To recap my purpose: a Malcolm MacDougall in the US > turns out to have yDNA markers nearly identical to one of my families, > surnamed McKinney/McKenney. Looking for the crossover between families, > we have traced our US McDougall to Murdoch McDougall and Mary McDougall, > married 1866 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Beyond this Murdoch, the > trail grows cold. However, there are a few leads to Scottish origins, > and I am asking my new Scot friends for help in exploring them. > > Here is additional information regarding Murdoch and Mary. Their > marriage record reports that Murdoch McDougall, age 32, married Mary > McDougall, age 20, on 11 Sep 1866 in Toronto, which was Mary's home. > Both were recorded as born in Scotland. Her parents were Allan and Mary > McDougall; Murdoch's were John and Mary McDougall. Murdoch's > residence at the time was Elderslie Twp, Bruce County, Ontario. Murdoch > and Mary lived in Elderslie after marriage. > > In the 1871 census for Elderslie, Murdoch and Mary are recorded as 42 > and 23, with Mary recorded as born in Ontario, Murdoch in Scotland. > They have children Mary (4), Allen (3), and John (5/12), and also living > with them are John McDougal (30, a farmer) and Annie McDougal (24, a > servant). Later, there were two more girls born to the pair: Sarah and > Julia. Murdoch died at age 46, in 1874, and his widow Mary went on to > marry a man named Hazelton. Apparently there are no male-line survivors > of Murdoch and Mary other than our US MacDougall, whose paper trail back > to that marriage is solid. (Murdoch's and Mary's son Allen eventually > moved to Cleveland, Ohio, USA, and on to Miami, Florida in the mid > 1920s. Our MacDougall contact is their grandson.) > > Our interest is in tracing the Elderslie Murdoch McDougall's line back > into Scotland, primarily in an effort to locate the MacDougall/McKinney > crossover that links our families genetically. Thus the presence of > McKinney families in the vicinity of his parental family would also be > of interest. > > Our MacDougall says that his father told him that "old Murdoch was born > in Argylshire, Kidalton, and I think he told me it was the Isle of > Mull," but then our source suggests that this may not be right. Another > source, a passenger list for the ship Hope (from Glasgow) in our US > MacDougall's possession, suggests Argyle Civil Parish #541, Kildalton > Co, Islay, as the birthplace of a Murdoch McDougall who immigrated to > Pictou, Nova Scotia in 1848 (along with several other McDougalls) and > moved on to Ontario in 1852. This Murdoch was born about 1828 and was > single when he arrived in 1848. (However, his mother may have been > listed as Sarah, not Mary.) > > Finally for Murdoch, another man of the same name was born in Scotland > about 1825 and came to the Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario, Canada area to > live. He married Ann Ferguson in 1859 in Brock Twp, Ontario and died in > 1907 in Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario. Quite a bit is known about this > Murdoch-Ann family, but we doubt that these two Murdochs are related. > However, we do not know for sure. > > To complicate things, the 1861 census of Elderslie shows another > McDougall (or McDougald) living _next-door_ to Murdoch and Mary > McDougall (I mentioned them in an earlier email). This couple is named > Allan John McDougall (48, a farmer) and Flora McKillop McDougall (43). > Both were born in Scotland, as were their two eldest children Mary (18) > and Duncan (16). Their seven younger children range from 14 down to 4/12 > years old, in order: Ann, Neal, John, R. Allen, James, Flora Belle, and > E. Mary. This Allen John is probably the one who born in Tobermory, > Mull, in 1819 and died in 1920 in Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, Canada > (according to OneWorldTree), in spite of the age discrepancy, since the > children's names given are the same. We wonder how significant the > final "d" is in the McDougald name for Allen and Flora and their daughter. > > We found the official marriage record for Mary Jane McDougald of > Greenock, Bruce, Ontario (22) and Andrew Hamilton (27) of Brant Twp, wed > on 21 Oct 1874 in bride's father's house in Greenock. Mary Jane was > born on Isle of Mull, Scotland, and her parents were Allen McDougald and > Flora McKillop. These appear to be the family living next door to > Murdoch and Mary in Elderslie in 1861. We think that Allan and Murdoch > (or possibly Murdoch's wife Mary) may have been related, even though > Tobermory is a long way from Kildalton. The bride's family was Baptist, > however, whereas Murdoch's was reported as Church of Scotland in 1871 > and Presbyterian on his death certificate in 1874. (Incidentally, > Andrew's parents were James Hamilton and Christiane Ross, living in the > Twp of Brant, Ontario. Andrew was born in the Twp of Arthur.) > > We are looking along several lines and will be grateful for any help you > can offer. > (1) Since our likely McKinney immigrant was Daniel McKenney, married in > Maine 1732, we wonder whether there are court or church records of that > period that would reveal cases of bastardy or adoption or foundlings by > birth name and adoptive family name. > (2) We would like to identify the parents of Murdoch and Mary (both > surnamed McDougall) who were born in Scotland and married in Toronto, > possibly in records of the Church of Scotland in Argylshire, Kildalton, > Islay. > (3) We would also like to identify the parents of Allen John McDougall > (or McDougald) and Flora McKillop, who married in Scotland and had two > children there, possibly Tobermory, Mull and possibly Baptist. > (4) We would like to locate a McDougall male from the Kildalton area and > maybe one from the Tobermory area, preferably with paper trails back to > the early 1800s, to do yDNA testing with Family tree DNA, Inc. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > Ted Mills > Chateaugay, NY, USA > [email protected] > > On 11/6/2011 2:02 PM, Merle & Ida King wrote: > > Hi Ted > > > > Welcome to the list. Although Bruce Co., Ont is off my research path > > I'm always interested in Mull connections. > > > > I'd love to know more about the marriage details you have for Mary > > Jane McDougall & Andrew Hamilton. > > Etc. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message