Dear Louise, Sometimes one has to go to the original, primary source to get the location of the bride and groom. For instance, tertiary sources like Ancestry.com and the LDS site and even the RGO sites on the Internet, haven't created in their database fields all the information available in the original entry. For instance, in the OPR original entry there is often the occupation of the man and this is not on any secondary or tertiary source. Also sometimes the relationship of the witnesses is given, and of course, the village in the civil parish is listed on the original and the secondary (microfilmed) LDS source for the OPR but not the tertiary IGI, familysearch, Ancestry.com, etc. sites. I have found that most marriages in Ontario pre-1867 give just the civil district, that is, the township name, and not the village. So anywhere in the township is where the person lived. And, as you say Louise, the town line between Brock and Mariposa Townships on which the Presbyterian Church at Sonya sat (on the Brock side) meant many who list Mariposa as residence were married on the Brock side for registration by the minister with the township clerk. Ted, here is another possibility. I have found that sometimes when the bride is already pregnant, the couple leave the community and marry in Toronto, thus preferring the anonymity. I find that in most early marriages there are just men, the fathers, as witnesses. Before 1878 women had no legal rights, even to guardianship of their own children on the early death of a husband. When a women appears as a witness, eg your Anne, I always think it is a red flag, and the residency in Toronto possibly transitory. The fact that a witness is listed as my Neil McDougall of Mariposa is another red flag. The way to check is to cross-reference the birth date of the first child in the 1901 census with the marriage date of the parents. If this turns out to be the case, then the home community of the bride or groom is anyone's guess. All this is speculation but something I have come to see as a trend. All the best. Elizabeth. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:17:57 -0800 > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Marriages found in Mariposa Victoria Co., Ont that have Mull and Tiree as birthplaces > > Hi Ida, > > This is a good point you have raised in general about Mariposa Township, Victoria County marriages for Tiree and Mull folk who emigrated to Canada and settled in Ontario. > > What I would like to add is that the bride and groom may never have actually lived in Mariposa Township, despite it being the place of marriage for many of them. > > It took me a long time to figure this out, mainly thanks to Betty MacKinnon who first pointed it out to me by finding my Mary McDougall's marriage to my Donald Clark (yes I'm related to both of them, it was a first cousin marriage). They were married 03 Feb 1852 in the town of Manilla, Mariposa Township, Victoria County where I would have never considered looking because they lived in a different jurisdiction: Brock Township, (old) Ontario County. > > I then found out that, at the time, Manilla had a population of over 700 and boasted of 5 (FIVE!) churches. Logically then, Manilla was likely where most of the Tiree folk, who were concentrated around the 7th and 8th concessions of Brock township, attended church, since the Manilla churches would have been the closest ones to them even though they were in the a different county. > > It was a confusing situation because these Tiree folk would be married in Mariposa Township,Victoria County where they never resided (except for a few who settled just over the border of the two townships, in Mariposa). But then they would be buried in the Scotch Cemetery in Brock Township where they actually lived. The reason of course was that, though the Tiree folk had had their own cemetery in Brock on the 8th Concession since the 1830's, to my knowledge there was likely never a church associated with that cemetery. > > I don't think that the Mull folk in Brock Township were in the same predicament. I understand that the main Mull settlement in Brock township was around the Wick/McNeill cemetery which did have a church associated with it. That is the more usual scenario i.e. a cemetery grows up around the church which the people attend and so they are married and buried as part of that same congregation. > > Of course, both Tiree and Mull folk living closer to the the town of Sunderland, Brock Township would have been married and buried there. > > I would say that a researcher is quite likely to find Tiree folk from Brock Township being married in the neighbouring township and county of Mariposa, Victoria. And possibly also a few Mull folk from Brock Township might have married across the border in Mariposa for a variety of reasons too. > > If someone else can add more to this description please do, > > Louise MacDougall > Vancouver, BC > ________________ > webmaster: > http://www.tireegathering.com > > . > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Merle & Ida King <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:29 am > Subject: [SCT-ARL-TIREE] Marriages found in Mariposa Victoria Co., Ont that have Mull and Tiree as birthplaces > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > > > Hi All > > > > Sorry for the duplication on both list but it so the Archives > > will get a copy of the posting > > > > Matheson Donald, 24 Mariposa, Islay Sct s/o Neil & Martha > > (Morrison) married 1 Oct 1868 Catherine McKinnon, 24, Mariposa, > > Tiree Sct, d/o John & Grace (Campbell) Co Marriage Register > > Victoria Co., Ont. Marriages 1858-1868 vol 25 > > > > From the IGI in Tyree/Tiree John McKinnon & Grace Campbell marry > > Mar 29 1837 Tyree. Have the following children Mary Jun 15-Jul > > 13 1838, Donald Dec 16-22 1839, Catherine Feb 20 1842, Hector > > Nov 7-Dec 14 1845, Archibald Nov 7-Dec 14 1845, another > > Catherine May 12-30 1847, Flora May 12 1847, another Catherine > > May 27-Jun 23 1850. Any additional information is always appreciated > > > > 　 > > > > McQuarrie John, 24 Mariposa, Scotland, s/o Donald & Margaret > > (McFadden) married 26 Jan 1860 Catherine McDougall 20, Mariposa, > > Scotland, d/o Archibald & Margaret Co Marriage Register Victoria > > Co., Ont. Marriages 1858-1868 vol 25 These appear to be Donald > > McQuarrie his wife Margaret McFadden/McFadyen who were in 1841 > > at Tiregoil KLF who emigrated on the Barlow for Montreal Jun > > 1849 I haven’t figured out who the McDougall family is yet. 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