Dear Ted, Ida, Tricia, Jean, I did about 3-4 hours of research looking at my notes on the week-end and this is what I found Ted. 1. I am 80% sure that the John McLucais of Killunaig is your John 2. That your John and my Neil are brothers Here is the research from Jo Currie's written notes (faster for me to go to my binders than the microfilm in the local Mormon church) 1. "25.Feb. 1815 Neil McLucais tenant in Killunaig and Marrion Campbell in Torranachtrach were married" 2. "26 Jan. 1819 John McLucais in Killunaig and Mary McKinnon in Torranachtrach were married" (notice Jo says 1819 and the IGI says 1818. I haven't checked yet to see who is right) 3. Neil and Marrion have all kids baptised in Killunaig Mary 1816 John 1817 Murdoch 1827 Marion 1830 4. John and Mary have all kids baptized in Killunaig Marion 1819 Murdoch 1826 Ann 1830 Dates are in the OPR and my notes (I'm getting lazy here on the writing of the e-mail) But the Mary baptised 1816 is not there so she must be a child of the other couple. 5. When you look at the kids one would initially think the paternal grandparents are Murdoch and Marion. However, ******* there is not one, not even one, Murdoch McLucais/McDougall in the 1779 census of the Duke's anywhere in his lands on the mainland or on the islands. (or of any other alias, which are all listed at the back in the Index). 6. So I would think that my Neil's and your John's father is the John McLucass, aged 5, on page 103 of the 1779 census in Torrenichruich 7. And that their grandfather is the John McLucass merchant aged 60 in Torrenichruich, on page 103, the 5-year-old's father. 8. That your Mary McKinnon's father is the Murdoch McKinnon,tenant, aged 35, of Torrenichruich on page 103 9. Unfortunately the census gives the names and ages of males only and only the number of daughters In all there are 7 families in Killunaig and 10 in Torrenichruich in 1779. A question about the DNA you had done and the results. How many alleles were tested? eg 15,25,37,67? Was there a perfect match, and if so on how many alleles? For instance, I asked three of my first cousins to have their DNA done. Their fathers were three different brothers with the same father. Yet at 37 alleles there are still -2 removed, that is, not a perfect match. The three DNA results are posted on the Clan Gregor website links. But I have been told that at 15 alleles most McGregors have a perfect match. It is only at 37 and 67 that things start to diverge. Yet, some people have found long-lost siblings through a perfect match, so I often wonder at the quality of the analysis done by different DNA labs. Obviously different companies would have different standards and different companies chose to use different alleles to analyze. The long and the short of this for me is that, though at 67 alleles at the lab the Clan Gregor uses, there are folk I have e-mailed as leads, I have yet to find strong definitive breakthroughs on research. What company did you use? Perfect at how many alleles? All the best. Elizabeth. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:54:03 -0700 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] FW: McDougal-McKillop marriage > > Hi Elizabeth, & Ted > > I'm wondering if perhaps you or Ted can add more information to these I > tracked in the 1881 census with great diffuculity. My CD won't allow me to > locate any McD*** (McDougall) in Mariposa, Victoria South Ont. so I went > through family by family (:-)) > > I tried checking on Mullgenealogy but I couldn't get through at the moment. > > Any information is greatly appreciated. > thanks > Ida > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 2 Page 21 Family > 115 > > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > > Murdoch MCDOUGALL M M 52 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Ann MCDOUGALL F M 34 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Neil MCDOUGALL M 21 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Son Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Donald MCDOUGALL M 19 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Son Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Alexander MCDOUGALL M 18 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Son School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Hugh MCDOUGALL M 11 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > John Neil MCDOUGALL M 6 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Archibald MCDOUGALL M 2 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Catherine MCDOUGALL F 16 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Sarah MCDOUGALL F 14 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Mary Ann MCDOUGALL F 9 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 1 Page 43 Family > 187 > > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > > John MCDOUGALL M W 58 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > John MCDOUGALL M 32 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Dougald MCDOUGALL M 27 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > William MCDOUGALL M 25 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Margaret MCDOUGALL F 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Alexr. H. MCDOUGALL M 21 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Tailor Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Neill MCDOUGALL M 18 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Thomas MORLEY M 13 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 1 Page 40 Family > 176 > > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > > Allan MCDOUGALL M M 60 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Mary MCDOUGALL F M 51 Scottish Scotland > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Sela MCDOUGALL F 28 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > James MCDOUGALL M 26 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Isabella MCDOUGALL F 24 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Maggie MCDOUGALL F 22 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Jane MCDOUGALL F 19 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Barbara MCDOUGALL F 16 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Alexr. MCDOUGALL M 14 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Betsey MCDOUGALL F 10 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Dougall MCDOUGALL M 8 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Presbyterian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <[email protected]> > To: "isle of mull roots" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:37 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] FW: McDougal-McKillop marriage > > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:25:45 +0000 > > > Dear Ted, > > The Murdock McDougall/Ann McFerguson couple you mention in > > paragraph seven below is my family - from Mull and settling in Mariposa > > Township, Victoria County, Ontario. > > > > At the time I wrote before I said that Allan (as well as > > Murdock) is a very uncommon name in Scotland (from my experience of 35 > > years of doing genealogy) and I thought we were related. I still think > > so. My Murdock had a brother Allan who farmed with him in Mariposa, while > > their father Neil was alive. Later they had separate farms. > > > > Who witnesses your couple's's marriage in Toronto in > > 1866? > > > > I don't have my McDougall binders here with me to-day, > > but if you wish more information, please write. > > > > All the best. > > > > Elizabeth McDonald, > > > > Sarnia, Ontario. > > > >> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:17:05 -0600 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > >> > >> Finally for Murdoch, another man of the same name was born in Scotland > >> about 1825 and came to the Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario, Canada area to > >> live. He married Ann Ferguson in 1859 in Brock Twp, Ontario and died in > >> 1907 in Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario. Quite a bit is known about this > >> Murdoch-Ann family, but we doubt that these two Murdochs are related. > >> However, we do not know for sure. > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message