hmmmm - I wonder how many "X" marks we'd see today if English were outlawed and our names went to old Gaelic? ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <mf@mullfamilies.plus.com> To: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Name sounding...Re: Gillies Les "eh?" was just me being a tad humourous :) I agree with virtually all you say, but how many "x" (mark) have we seen as substitute for a signature < in 1872 Scotland moved to a system like that in England of state-sponsored largely free schools, run by local school boards. Overall administration was in the hands of the Scotch (later Scottish) Education Department in London. Education was now compulsory from five to thirteen and many new board schools were built > Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Name sounding...Re: Gillies Michael said > Most people were illiterate, and even those who could speak a little > English, didn't have our modern education I must take him to task over this. Scotland was/is one of the most/best educated countries and was at the forefront of education especially at the time when the Censuses were taken. The problem with inconsistency of spelling rests not with the literacy of the population but with the language itself. There was no real need to regularise spelling (of names) until formal (Goverment) record-keeping was established. When recording their name the person taking the record would ask the name and effectively write it down phonetically. Really it is not until the 20th Century that we became fanatical about regularised spelling; and even more so in the 21st. By the way for Eh? would be said 'gabh mo leisgeul' excuse/pardon me. The Gaels were nothing if not polite. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6628 - Release Date: 09/01/13

Janet Yes, Gillies is the modern or acceptable standard spelling Any ancestral spellings were fine, so long as it sounded correct Quite a few surnames had multiple spellings Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> To: "Les Horn" <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk>; <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Gillies > As a matter of interest would GILLIES be an acceptable substitution for > the name? Perhaps > more 'recent ' usage > > Janet > >

As a matter of interest would GILLIES be an acceptable substitution for the name? Perhaps more 'recent ' usage Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Cc: "MF [MF]" <mford500@manofmull.plus.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Gillies > Hi all > > Michael asked > >> Can anyone check the original copy/image/film of the following please, to confirm >> whether Alexander is 70 and not 60 >> >> 1841 Census >> Piece: SCT1841/544 Place: Kilninian & Kilmore -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 11 >> Civil Parish: Kilninian & Kilmore Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: >> Folio: 11 Page: 6 >> Address: Balligown >> GILLIIS Alexander M 70 Farmer Argyllshire >> GILLIS Christina F 55 Argyllshire >> GILLIS Hugh M 16 Argyllshire >> GILLIS John M 10 Argyllshire >> MACNEIL Ann F 18 Female Servant Argyllshire > > Checked on ScotlandsPeople. For GILLIIS read GILLIS (FreeCen got it wrong). It is > definitely 70. Bear in mind that Enumerators were not averse to ignoring their > Instructions and Alexander's age could have been rounded to the 'nearest' five rather > than 'rounded down.' > > Regards > Les > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

HUGH Livingston / Mary McDougall married 1 Jan 1861 Kilninian Anyone searching for the BDM would have to look here (Indexed as JOHN) 1861 LIVINGSTON JOHN MCDOUGALL MARY KILNINIAN AND KILMORE /ARGYLL 544/00 0001 I have informed GROS SP Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Hi all Michael asked > Can anyone check the original copy/image/film of the following please, to confirm whether Alexander is 70 and not 60 > > 1841 Census > Piece: SCT1841/544 Place: Kilninian & Kilmore -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 11 > Civil Parish: Kilninian & Kilmore Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: > Folio: 11 Page: 6 > Address: Balligown > GILLIIS Alexander M 70 Farmer Argyllshire > GILLIS Christina F 55 Argyllshire > GILLIS Hugh M 16 Argyllshire > GILLIS John M 10 Argyllshire > MACNEIL Ann F 18 Female Servant Argyllshire Checked on ScotlandsPeople.  For GILLIIS read GILLIS (FreeCen got it wrong).  It is definitely 70.  Bear in mind that Enumerators were not averse to ignoring their Instructions and Alexander's age could have been rounded to the 'nearest' five rather than 'rounded down.' Regards Les

Les Thank you I got the ages wrong way round (or could have worded it better). Freecen has 70. For me, this means that Alexander is not the s/o Angus/Marion McNeil as he's ten years too old Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Cc: "MF [MF]" <mford500@manofmull.plus.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Gillies > Hi all > > Michael asked > >> Can anyone check the original copy/image/film of the following please, to >> confirm whether Alexander is 70 and not 60 >> >> 1841 Census >> Piece: SCT1841/544 Place: Kilninian & Kilmore -Argyllshire Enumeration >> District: 11 >> Civil Parish: Kilninian & Kilmore Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or >> Island: >> Folio: 11 Page: 6 >> Address: Balligown >> GILLIIS Alexander M 70 Farmer Argyllshire >> GILLIS Christina F 55 Argyllshire >> GILLIS Hugh M 16 Argyllshire >> GILLIS John M 10 Argyllshire >> MACNEIL Ann F 18 Female Servant Argyllshire > > Checked on ScotlandsPeople. For GILLIIS read GILLIS (FreeCen got it > wrong). It is definitely 70. Bear in mind that Enumerators were not averse > to ignoring their Instructions and Alexander's age could have been rounded > to the 'nearest' five rather than 'rounded down.' > > Regards > Les > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael. The figures you have quoted were copied from the LDS film back in 2000 when I copied the whole of the 8 parishes on Mull from the films which the local LDS borrowed for me. I hand copied them into an exercise book and then typed them up when I got home so it is quite possible that there were errors though i did try to be careful. These were then sent on to Ian so I imagine he will also have the same errors. jean -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MF Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 8:10 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Gillies Can anyone check the original copy/image/film of the following please, to confirm whether Alexander is 70 and not 60 1841 Census Piece: SCT1841/544 Place: Kilninian & Kilmore -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 11 Civil Parish: Kilninian & Kilmore Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Folio: 11 Page: 6 Address: Balligown GILLIIS Alexander M 70 Farmer Argyllshire GILLIS Christina F 55 Argyllshire GILLIS Hugh M 16 Argyllshire GILLIS John M 10 Argyllshire MACNEIL Ann F 18 Female Servant Argyllshire If he is 70, then Alexander is unlikely to be s/o Angus/Marion McNeil (their Alexander bap 1780 and obviously not on the 1779 Estates) >From the seven children I have for Angus, five names have been repeated within Alexander's eleven children Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean Thank you Reason I ask is that Ian does have Alexander as s/o Angus If 70 is correct, then the age doesn't match up with Angus' son born 10 years later in 1780. Because of a good repetition of names, I would guess that the "two Alexanders" are related, possibly cousins A Census error which I corected recently via the List, to which Ian replied saying he would check the microfilm. I therefor assumed (I'm always doing this) that Ian has the whole lot on film Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Gillies > Michael. > The figures you have quoted were copied from the LDS film back in 2000 > when > I copied the whole of the 8 parishes on Mull from the films which the > local > LDS borrowed for me. I hand copied them into an exercise book and then > typed them up when I got home so it is quite possible that there were > errors > though i did try to be careful. These were then sent on to Ian so I > imagine he will also have the same errors. > jean >

Can anyone check the original copy/image/film of the following please, to confirm whether Alexander is 70 and not 60 1841 Census Piece: SCT1841/544 Place: Kilninian & Kilmore -Argyllshire Enumeration District: 11 Civil Parish: Kilninian & Kilmore Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Folio: 11 Page: 6 Address: Balligown GILLIIS Alexander M 70 Farmer Argyllshire GILLIS Christina F 55 Argyllshire GILLIS Hugh M 16 Argyllshire GILLIS John M 10 Argyllshire MACNEIL Ann F 18 Female Servant Argyllshire If he is 70, then Alexander is unlikely to be s/o Angus/Marion McNeil (their Alexander bap 1780 and obviously not on the 1779 Estates) >From the seven children I have for Angus, five names have been repeated within Alexander's eleven children Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Hi Linda Following Ian's posting. There is only one problem with looking for a place named Aoine.  There are many places whose name includes Aoine (means Friday or a fast as in Aoine An Chéasta - Good Friday) in Mull and several in Kilfinichan and Kilvickeon Parish alone where it occurs as Aoineadh viz Aoineadh Beag - at Carsaig Aoineadh MorAoineadh Mor Aoineadh Ros-dail Aoineadh Thapuill Aoineadh a' Mhaide Ghil Aoineadh nan Gamhna Maol an Aonaich - adjacent to Glen Leidle at Pennyghael Is it possible that someone resided/stayed at one of these ? In Morvern it occurs as An t-Aoineadh Mor which is Anglisised as Inniemore. Regards Les

When using GROS Scotlandspeople website for Kilninian parish lookups, a normal search will also include Kilbride, because of the 'Kilmore' common element There is an advanced way to get Kilninian only results Enter your requirements as normal in the boxes provided (I prefer Variants for surnames) Then click on Show Advanced (to right of basic search options) In the rectangular box that appears, type the following < rdno:544 > (without the chevrons) and then "Do the search" This will give results for Kilninian parish only, saving you a fortune on unwanted Kilbride results Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Hi Linda,, Have tried to locate Aoine without luck. It appears in the census between Pennycross and Glenlidle but this can only be taken as a rough guide as to walking order. Most of those living in Aoine in 1851 are shown in the 1851 as Kinloch Sgridan. This might indicate Aoine could be close to the shore between Pennycross and Pennyghael. Best I can do. Ian On 29 August 2013 19:25, Linda (MacCormick) Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > Does anyone know where in Kilfinichen/Kilvickeon Aoine is (or would have > been in 1841)? Thanks > > -- > Linda (MacCormick) Towne > www.ancestralplaces.co.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda Sounds good, thank you Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda (MacCormick) Towne" <manateemum@gmail.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McArthur > Possibly Margaret Morrison? > > Duncan McArthur/Margaret Morrison had a daughter, Mary born 14 Jan 1848 > (OPR Iona) according to MullGen > > Linda (MacCormick) Towne > www.ancestralplaces.co.uk > > >

Anyone shed some light on this marriage please ? Peggy Artun marriage: 8 December 1847 Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon spouse:Duncan Macarthur I'm assuming "Artun" is Ardtun with Peggy's surname left blank, or it's something similar like Arthur/McArthur Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Thank you very much Ian. I appreciate it. Linda (MacCormick) Towne www.ancestralplaces.co.uk On 8/30/2013 11:49 AM, Ian Phillips wrote: > Hi Linda,, > > Have tried to locate Aoine without luck. It appears in the census between > Pennycross and Glenlidle but this can only be taken as a rough guide as to > walking order. > > > Most of those living in Aoine in 1851 are shown in the 1851 as Kinloch > Sgridan. This might indicate Aoine could be close to the shore between > Pennycross and Pennyghael. > > Best I can do. > > Ian > >

Possibly Margaret Morrison? Duncan McArthur/Margaret Morrison had a daughter, Mary born 14 Jan 1848 (OPR Iona) according to MullGen Linda (MacCormick) Towne www.ancestralplaces.co.uk On 8/30/2013 10:58 AM, MF wrote: > Anyone shed some light on this marriage please ? > > Peggy Artun > marriage: 8 December 1847 Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon > spouse:Duncan Macarthur > > I'm assuming "Artun" is Ardtun with Peggy's surname left blank, or it's something similar like Arthur/McArthur > > > Michael > www.mullfamilies.co.uk >

Does anyone know where in Kilfinichen/Kilvickeon Aoine is (or would have been in 1841)? Thanks -- Linda (MacCormick) Towne www.ancestralplaces.co.uk

Further to my frustrations and anger at GROS SP search results involving Kilninian parish, I add the reply I got from BrightSolid (company hired to sell us our own information) If anyone is unsure what my complaint was about, try searching for anything related to Kilninian. The results will be inflated because Kilmore and Kilbride entries will be added too (due to the archaic "Kilmore" in both parish names). This has existed for far too long, costing us all more. A simple comparison would be like going to a shop for milk, and the shop owner saying "you can only have milk, if you buy bread too" All they have to do is make Kilninian and Kilmore "Kilninian" (drop Kilmore), and leave Kilmore and Kilbride as is Dear Mr Ford Thank you for contacting www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. We are going to be making some amendments to the county/parish drop down filters in the coming months and these changes will incorporate the issue you have referred to. We do understand how frustrating issues of this nature can be and we are therefore very keen to have this resolved. Due to the work which is involved, it would be terribly difficult to suggest a time frame for this I am afraid however please be assured that this is an area we are actively seeking to update and will be doing so as soon as possible. Kind Regards, A H Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Found it with spelling error McDOUJAL John Mcdoujal christening: 1 May 1821 KILFINICHEN AND KILVICKEON,ARGYLL,SCOTLAND father:John Mcdoujal mother:Jane Thoburn Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <mf@mullfamilies.plus.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Whois Catherine McDougall Beechroft > Elizabeth > > John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. > Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 > Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael > John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael > > John's birth 12th correct ? (Mullgen has 1st May) > > I can't find it at all in IGI > > > > M > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> > To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft > > >> Dear Ida and Michael, >> Now that I am on a roll, here is the third pioneer McDougall >> family >> from Mull to Mariposa. From the OPR: >> >> John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. >> Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 >> Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael >> John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael >> >> I don't have it written, but if my memory servies me right, they >> were later to Mariposa, in the 1840's. Murdock says in the 1901 census >> he >> (and his parents, etc) emigrated in 1834. >> >> Re my Neil and Sarah. One bonus is that the 1841 tax assessments >> have survived for Mariposa. In it are both fathers - Neil and Donald. >> Neil says besides Sarah and himself there are: 2 males under 16 >> >> 3 males 16 and over >> >> 2 females under 16 >> >> 1 female 16 and over for a total of eight children - although the >> older occupants could be parents of Neil or Sarah. This is why I still >> feel there are kids missing for both families - eg. possibly an Alexander >> and a Catherine. >> >> All the best. >> Elizabeth. >> >>> From: moshi94@hotmail.com >>> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:37:39 +0000 >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and >>> Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >>> >>> Dear Ida and Michael, >>> Forgot to include in the info below that also not in the OPR is >>> Donald as son of Neil and Sarah, b. 4.5.1824/6, and Allan b. 4.8.1819 as >>> a son. (but they could be Donald's sons, not Neil's). They are >>> definitely my relations but whether siblings of my ggrandmother >>> Christine, or first cousins, I do not know. >>> >>> And another reason for the elusiveness is that of all the >>> historic atlases produced of the Ontario counties in the 1870's and >>> 1880's none was done of - Victoria County. A facsimile was done of >>> 1900-1901 but it hardly rates for research in the 1820's-30's there is >>> so >>> little in it. >>> >>> In answer to your question Michael, I suspect that Donald and >>> Neil, probably born circa 1780's, are brothers, with John McLucais in >>> the >>> 1779 census as their father, but have no proof to date. >>> >>> I think the Catherine Beechroft could be a daughter of Neil or >>> Donald. The only Catherine I have found to date is one in McNeil >>> Cemetery, wife of a G.W. Angus, b 22.5.1827 d 8.5.1905, says the >>> tombstone. >>> >>> All the best. >>> Elizabeth. >>> >>> > From: moshi94@hotmail.com >>> > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:45:44 +0000 >>> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who >>> > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >>> > >>> > Dear Ida and Michael, >>> > Yes, the family Michael found by another link is mine. I >>> > haven't offered it because I don't know if parts of it are correct/not >>> > in error. >>> > >>> > There are three big problems with the McDougalls of Mariposa. >>> > >>> > 1. There is a nine-year gap in the OPR re kids in >>> > Torranachtrach and Killunaig - 1818-1827. Whether the two pioneer >>> > couples got non-religious or there was no minister or the minister got >>> > lazy posting, who knows. >>> > >>> > 2. The 1851/2 census for Mariposa is lost. The '51 is so >>> > important in Ontario because it gives the pioneer kids. By 1861 most >>> > have left home - the girls to married names. >>> > >>> > 3. The McDougalls used the alias of McLucas and McLucais and >>> > others I probably haven't found until circa 1825. I don't know enough >>> > about the clan history but I assume it came out of the '45 rebellion. >>> > >>> > Here is what I have from the OPR: >>> > >>> > Neil McLucais/McDougall of Killunaig m. Sarah/Marion Campbell >>> > of Torrenichruich 25.2.1815 - my 2ggrandparents >>> > Mary McLucas c 2.1.1816 Killunaig >>> > John McLucas c 13.4.1817 Killunaig >>> > Murdock McLucais c 7.7.1827 Killunaig >>> > Marion McDougall c 8.1.1830 Killunaig >>> > >>> > Donald McLucais of Torranauchtrach m Julia Paterson of >>> > Torrranuachdrach 27.2.1816 >>> > Neil McLucais c 5.2.1817 >>> > Duncan McLucais c 3.11.1828 >>> > Hector McDougall c 10.8.1830 >>> > >>> > But I also have the following based on 2-4 cross-references >>> > all with question marks (save my ggrandmother and her sister) >>> > >>> > Christina and Isabella said to be twins b. 10.1835 no day - >>> > 1901 census to the first couple >>> > >>> > John 1821 >>> > Janet 1824 - has a daughter Julia >>> > Flora 1826 - with mother in 1871 census >>> > Ann - b. 1.9.1826 c 16.6 1827 tombstone Wick Cemetery, buried >>> > with her father. >>> > >>> > So, as I say, Catherine could be in either of these two >>> > families to Mariposa. The next steps would be to check her marriage >>> > in >>> > 1842 on microfilm to see if the father is named as often was in the >>> > 1840's and to find the death certificate on microfilm under >>> > Beechcroft. >>> > >>> > Other kids still to find? >>> > >>> > All the best. >>> > Elizabeth. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael John's birth 12th correct ? (Mullgen has 1st May) I can't find it at all in IGI M www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft > Dear Ida and Michael, > Now that I am on a roll, here is the third pioneer McDougall family > from Mull to Mariposa. From the OPR: > > John McLucais m Jane Thoburn 31.1.1815 at Carsaig. > Marjory McLucais c 31.12.1815 > Catharine McLucais c 10.12.1816 Pennyghael > John McDougall c 12.5.1821 Pennyghael > > I don't have it written, but if my memory servies me right, they > were later to Mariposa, in the 1840's. Murdock says in the 1901 census he > (and his parents, etc) emigrated in 1834. > > Re my Neil and Sarah. One bonus is that the 1841 tax assessments > have survived for Mariposa. In it are both fathers - Neil and Donald. > Neil says besides Sarah and himself there are: 2 males under 16 > > 3 males 16 and over > > 2 females under 16 > > 1 female 16 and over for a total of eight children - although the > older occupants could be parents of Neil or Sarah. This is why I still > feel there are kids missing for both families - eg. possibly an Alexander > and a Catherine. > > All the best. > Elizabeth. > >> From: moshi94@hotmail.com >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 15:37:39 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and >> Who is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >> >> Dear Ida and Michael, >> Forgot to include in the info below that also not in the OPR is >> Donald as son of Neil and Sarah, b. 4.5.1824/6, and Allan b. 4.8.1819 as >> a son. (but they could be Donald's sons, not Neil's). They are >> definitely my relations but whether siblings of my ggrandmother >> Christine, or first cousins, I do not know. >> >> And another reason for the elusiveness is that of all the >> historic atlases produced of the Ontario counties in the 1870's and >> 1880's none was done of - Victoria County. A facsimile was done of >> 1900-1901 but it hardly rates for research in the 1820's-30's there is so >> little in it. >> >> In answer to your question Michael, I suspect that Donald and >> Neil, probably born circa 1780's, are brothers, with John McLucais in the >> 1779 census as their father, but have no proof to date. >> >> I think the Catherine Beechroft could be a daughter of Neil or >> Donald. The only Catherine I have found to date is one in McNeil >> Cemetery, wife of a G.W. Angus, b 22.5.1827 d 8.5.1905, says the >> tombstone. >> >> All the best. >> Elizabeth. >> >> > From: moshi94@hotmail.com >> > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 17:45:44 +0000 >> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Elusive McDougalls of Mariposa - and Who >> > is Catherine McDougall Beechroft >> > >> > Dear Ida and Michael, >> > Yes, the family Michael found by another link is mine. I >> > haven't offered it because I don't know if parts of it are correct/not >> > in error. >> > >> > There are three big problems with the McDougalls of Mariposa. >> > >> > 1. There is a nine-year gap in the OPR re kids in >> > Torranachtrach and Killunaig - 1818-1827. Whether the two pioneer >> > couples got non-religious or there was no minister or the minister got >> > lazy posting, who knows. >> > >> > 2. The 1851/2 census for Mariposa is lost. The '51 is so >> > important in Ontario because it gives the pioneer kids. By 1861 most >> > have left home - the girls to married names. >> > >> > 3. The McDougalls used the alias of McLucas and McLucais and >> > others I probably haven't found until circa 1825. I don't know enough >> > about the clan history but I assume it came out of the '45 rebellion. >> > >> > Here is what I have from the OPR: >> > >> > Neil McLucais/McDougall of Killunaig m. Sarah/Marion Campbell >> > of Torrenichruich 25.2.1815 - my 2ggrandparents >> > Mary McLucas c 2.1.1816 Killunaig >> > John McLucas c 13.4.1817 Killunaig >> > Murdock McLucais c 7.7.1827 Killunaig >> > Marion McDougall c 8.1.1830 Killunaig >> > >> > Donald McLucais of Torranauchtrach m Julia Paterson of >> > Torrranuachdrach 27.2.1816 >> > Neil McLucais c 5.2.1817 >> > Duncan McLucais c 3.11.1828 >> > Hector McDougall c 10.8.1830 >> > >> > But I also have the following based on 2-4 cross-references >> > all with question marks (save my ggrandmother and her sister) >> > >> > Christina and Isabella said to be twins b. 10.1835 no day - >> > 1901 census to the first couple >> > >> > John 1821 >> > Janet 1824 - has a daughter Julia >> > Flora 1826 - with mother in 1871 census >> > Ann - b. 1.9.1826 c 16.6 1827 tombstone Wick Cemetery, buried >> > with her father. >> > >> > So, as I say, Catherine could be in either of these two >> > families to Mariposa. The next steps would be to check her marriage in >> > 1842 on microfilm to see if the father is named as often was in the >> > 1840's and to find the death certificate on microfilm under Beechcroft. >> > >> > Other kids still to find? >> > >> > All the best. >> > Elizabeth. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message