I am not sure that the Duke is the man we need to be looking to for this, as I think that the ministers and eventually the registrars when the registration of births, deaths and marriages became compulsory are more likely to have been the people responsible for it. Certainly, there would have been mention of names in the Argyll Estate papers, but officialdom was more related to ecclesiastical and subsequently official records of the state. I have some evidence of the involvement of ministers in the Anglicisation of surnames in the Inveraray area (which is not directly the subject that we are on, but one which is closely related). Some of my Inveraray ancestors had the surname Bell, which was originally given in the parish register of Glenaray and Inveraray as MacIlvoyle or McIlvoyle, (Gaelic Mac Ghille Mhaoil - son of the servant of the tonsured one), but in the mid 18th century this changes in the parish register to Bell, and it seems to me that the minister of the day is responsible for this, although there is gravestone evidence in the parish that these Gaelic speaking people still considered their surname to be MacIlvoyle. Just to add to my own personal tuppenceworth, it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be too concerned about. James > From: jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:52:02 +1030 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack > Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> > Sent: ‎22/‎11/‎2013 06:17 > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hello Ida, > > I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. > > Jan Peasnell > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > > > Hi Dana > > > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll > > changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. > > > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who > > your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b > > abt > > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a > > Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my > > guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I > > could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run > > of connecting these families up. > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 > > Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 > > Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M > > 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Presbyterian > > Born: Nov; 5/12 > > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > > > 1881 a younger one: > > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 > > Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M > > 48 Scottish Scotland > > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > > Religion: C. Baptist > > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 > > Scottish O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O > > <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish > > O <Ontario> > > Religion: C. Baptist > > > > thanks again Ida > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > > > > Hi Ida, > > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that > > > were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." > > > Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor > > > was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling > > > changed for my side > > of > > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record > > > for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also > > > found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I > > > was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig > > > mill. (Where Angus once > > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I > > > have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie > > > MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of > > > Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that > > > Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are > > > thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. > > > Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > > coming > > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are > > > sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his > > > decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track > > > down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > > > The > > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have > > > been a > > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as > > > his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has > > > all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I > > > find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tend to agree - my experience is that Mc/Mac/M' are all interchangeable in the years when most people weren't literate - it just depended on how the minister/session clerk/census enumerator etc.. spellt it. Different branches of the same family often settled on different spellings once spelling became fixed. My line uses MacCormick but I have cousins who use McCormick and MacCormack and the name has shown up on records as M'Cormick and far enough back as McCormaig as well. Today we see different spellings as distinct names and would never assume that McKechnie and MacEachern were from the same family but that wasn't true 150 years ago when a family may have been McKechnie in one census but 10 years earlier or later they were MacEachern. Same with Mc/Mac On 11/22/2013 4:25 AM, James Beaton wrote: > I am not sure that the Duke is the man we need to be looking to for this, as I think that the ministers and eventually the registrars when the registration of births, deaths and marriages became compulsory are more likely to have been the people responsible for it. Certainly, there would have been mention of names in the Argyll Estate papers, but officialdom was more related to ecclesiastical and subsequently official records of the state. > I have some evidence of the involvement of ministers in the Anglicisation of surnames in the Inveraray area (which is not directly the subject that we are on, but one which is closely related). Some of my Inveraray ancestors had the surname Bell, which was originally given in the parish register of Glenaray and Inveraray as MacIlvoyle or McIlvoyle, (Gaelic Mac Ghille Mhaoil - son of the servant of the tonsured one), but in the mid 18th century this changes in the parish register to Bell, and it seems to me that the minister of the day is responsible for this, although there is gravestone evidence in the parish that these Gaelic speaking people still considered their surname to be MacIlvoyle. > Just to add to my own personal tuppenceworth, it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be too concerned about. > James >> From: jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 17:52:02 +1030 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll >> >> Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan. The book which my grandfather brought to Australia in 1850 shows the Clan Campbell tartan with both yellow and white stripes....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth MacCormack >> Sent: Friday, 22 November 2013 4:56 PM >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >> >> Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> ________________________________ >> From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> >> Sent: ‎22/‎11/‎2013 06:17 >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >> >> Hello Ida, >> >> I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. >> >> Jan Peasnell >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: >> >>> Hi Dana >>> >>> I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll >>> changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. >>> >>> Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who >>> your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. >>> >>> I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b >>> abt >>> 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a >>> Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my >>> guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I >>> could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run >>> of connecting these families up. >>> >>> 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 >>> Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) >>> Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 >>> Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> >>> 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M >>> 35 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> Born: Nov; 5/12 >>> Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian >>> >>> 1881 a younger one: >>> Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada >>> Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 >>> Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M >>> 48 Scottish Scotland >>> Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist >>> Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland >>> Religion: C. Baptist >>> Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist >>> Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 >>> Scottish O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O >>> <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish >>> O <Ontario> >>> Religion: C. Baptist >>> >>> thanks again Ida >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> >>> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean >>> >>> >>>> Hi Ida, >>>> Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that >>>> were mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." >>>> Lachlan is their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor >>>> was his onther son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling >>>> changed for my side >>> of >>>> the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record >>>> for Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also >>>> found the baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I >>>> was just in Mull recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig >>>> mill. (Where Angus once >>>> worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I >>>> have some research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie >>>> MacLean from Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of >>>> Lachlan and Margaret Maclean. He was the one who suggested that >>>> Angus's father was Hector MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are >>>> thinking now that it was possibly Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. >>>> Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also >>> coming >>>> to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are >>>> sons of Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his >>>> decendents are Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track >>>> down the nephews in Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. >>>> The >>>> Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have >>>> been a >>>> grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as >>>> his parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has >>>> all the right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I >>>> find the nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. >>>> Dana >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A big thank you to everyone for their suggestions and help regarding the emigration and the celebrations. I can't wait to have a look at some of the links and I have already ordered the book you suggested Ian! Now I can't wait for it to arrive! Thank you so much for the site Ian! It is great because it gives us somewhere to turn when we don't know where to look for answers. Kindest regards Joy

Recently was on Mull and the Bunessan Heritage Centre was a great source of information. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Janice Peasnell<mailto:2012janmp@gmail.com> Sent: ‎22/‎11/‎2013 06:17 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<mailto:sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean Hello Ida, I have never heard about the Duke of Argyl changing the term Mc to Mac or the other way around. It means the same thing in my family both are used and and even brothers used one or the other. Do you know which Duke of Argyl was reputed to have changed the term, there has been a lot of them. Jan Peasnell On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > Hi Dana > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll changed > the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who your > Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b abt > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a Charles > remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my guess. I > found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I could link it up > in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run of connecting these > families up. > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 8 > Family 39 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > John MCLEAN M M 30 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian > Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 20 > Family 91 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Antony MCKINNON M M 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > Christina MCKINNON F M 27 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Born: Nov; 5/12 > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 a younger one: > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 34 > Family 152 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Duncan MCLEAN M M 48 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > Religion: C. Baptist > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist > Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Kattie MCLEAN F 10 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Baptist > > thanks again Ida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi Ida, > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that were > > mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." Lachlan is > > their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor was his onther > > son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling changed for my side > of > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record for > > Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also found the > > baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I was just in > > Mull > > recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig mill. (Where Angus once > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I have > > some > > research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie MacLean from > > Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of Lachlan and Margaret > > Maclean. He was the one who suggested that Angus's father was Hector > > MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are thinking now that it was possibly > > Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > coming > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are sons of > > Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his decendents are > > Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track down the nephews in > > Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > > The > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have been a > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as his > > parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has all the > > right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I find the > > nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > Dana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The sailing route from Liverpool (the usual departure point) to Australia is summarized in the extract below from the article "Leaving Home - The Emigration of John Macdonald and his Family to Australia", which you can find on the Emigrant Ships page of the Isle of Tiree Genealogy website (www.tireegenealogy.com <http://www.tireegenealogy.com> ). There is a day-by-day account of life on board an 1853 immigrant ship to Australia on the Emigration to Australia page of the Dash Family History Australia website (www.dashstory.com <http://www.dashstory.com> ). ___________________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia <http://www.tireegenealogy.com> www.tireegenealogy.com <http://www.collgenealogy.com> www.collgenealogy.com "Until the mid-1850s, sailing time to Australia of 5-6 months was common. In England, companies advertised sailing times of 4 months, but few ships achieved this. It depended on the sailing speed of the ship and how long it was becalmed in the doldrums around the equator. Leaving England, the ships sailed south in the Atlantic Ocean to Cape Town, where they were re-provisioned, then sailed directly east across the Indian Ocean to Australia. After the mid-1850s the route was non-stop, sailing south of Cape Town to pick up the Roaring Forties for a high-speed dash east across the Southern Ocean to Australia. This new route reduced sailing time to Australia, which pleased the ships' owners but terrified the passengers because of the heavy seas, extreme cold and the occasional iceberg encountered in the Southern Ocean. From about the mid-1850s, many of the sailing ships were fitted with coal-fired auxiliary steam engines. The engines were small and powered only a single screw but they enabled the ships to make headway through the doldrums, thus saving weeks of passage time. Sailing times of 75-80 days could be achieved by using the non-stop route and the auxiliary engine."

Thank you so much Ian. I will definitely get that book. Sounds like it is just what I am after! Joy > On 21 Nov 2013, at 9:50 pm, Ian Phillips <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Joy, > > I can recommend 'Scottish Customs from the cradle to the grave' by Margaret > Bennett. Gives a good insight into the way folk used to live. Its published > by Birlinn ISBN 1 84158 293 X. Its available at > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scottish-Customs-Cradle-Margaret-Bennett/dp/184158293X > where > you can have a sneak read. I'm sure there will be other stockists. > > Ian > > >> On 21 November 2013 08:52, John And Joy <john.joy6@bigpond.com> wrote: >> >> How lucky you are to have such a diary Jean! >> Can you tell us what ports they stopped at on there way to Australia? >> I would be interested to know. >> >> I have also been wondering about our families lives back in the 1830/40's. >> Does anyone know what celebrations and traditions they would have enjoyed? >> I was reading on the web that Scottish and Irish people used to have huge >> bonfires and special rituals to celebrate the beginning of each season. >> Would they have done that? >> >> Did they celebrate birthdays, Christmas and Easter? >> >> I would love to know more about their lives and not just have a list of >> names. >> >> Kind regards >> Joy >>> >>> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Janet, Les and to everyone else who has responded. I will look forward to checking out the sites you have mentioned below Janet. Kindest regards Joy > On 21 Nov 2013, at 9:22 pm, "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I endorse what Jean has said about your information. Thank you. > Out of curiosity I have checked the archives and found these > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-ISLEOFMULL/2010-01/1264542200 and there > are others that might contain information; it is always worth searching there > There are also lists here: > http://surnamesupersearch.com/passenger/index.html > http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/ships-passengers.htm > There's a search engine on this page and its not only Aberdeen > https://www.abdn.ac.uk/emigration/user-guide.html > I think this site might be worth having a look around http://www.theshipslist.com/ but > your search will have to start Scotland and hope there's something that includes Mull > travellers. > > Janet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia (via Liverpool) > > > EliZabeth asked > > "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my > McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." > > There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports. Originally by > David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co > ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of > these two companies which form today's CalMac. > > The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian > Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to > Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to > catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool > by sea; (and then to London by train) > > Hope this helps > Regards > Les > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the

How lucky you are to have such a diary Jean! Can you tell us what ports they stopped at on there way to Australia? I would be interested to know. I have also been wondering about our families lives back in the 1830/40's. Does anyone know what celebrations and traditions they would have enjoyed? I was reading on the web that Scottish and Irish people used to have huge bonfires and special rituals to celebrate the beginning of each season. Would they have done that? Did they celebrate birthdays, Christmas and Easter? I would love to know more about their lives and not just have a list of names. Kind regards Joy > On 21 Nov 2013, at 3:25 pm, "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > I've now check the shipboard diary for my grandfather written 1850-1851. > His boat does not appear to have called anywhere in UK after Glasgow. There > were only a small number (20) of passengers - presumably paying something > towards their fare. jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Whimp [mailto:jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:57 PM > To: 'sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com' > Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > > Now you put me to shame. I have a diary from Glasgow of my Mull grandfather > so I'll look it up and tell you where their ship called . I do remember > that they also called at Madagascar and nearly got left behind!! More on > this later > Jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John And Joy > Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:42 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > > Its a puzzle isn't it! > It would be really interesting to find out some answers. > Oh to find a diary written by a family member! > But that won't happen because I know they couldn't read or write! > So back to the guessing game! > You have done well tracing your family in their travels over ten years. > Kind regards > Joy > >> On 20 Nov 2013, at 9:55 pm, "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> I too have wondered about travel. I traced my McINNES from Cullen, >> Banff to Edinburgh over 10 yrs. I have suspected it might have been >> on the drovers "roads" in horse and cart and I think it depends on the >> time because we can find when there was a railway but it took time for a > "network" of railway to take them the length and breath of Scotland. >> >> Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joy and John" <john.joy6@bigpond.com> >> To: "mull list" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:06 AM >> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia >> >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> My McInnes family immigrated to Australia in late 1848 from Kintra. >>> They sailed from Plymouth on 14 September aboard the Maitland and >>> arrived here on the 7 January 1849. >>> >>> I am wondering if anyone can tell me how they would have got to Plymouth? >>> There were quite a lot of Scottish people on board this ship. >>> Would there have been a steamer or other sailing vessel that would >>> have taken them or would they have gone overland? >>> >>> I am not sure how I would go about finding out this information. >>> Kind regards >>> Joy >>> in Austalia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ida, My Duncan McLean married Flora Cameron 7 March 1850 in Mariposa, Ontario, Canada. I have not been able to find her birthday and it keeps changing in the census. It appears to be between 1831 and 1833 on the Isle of Mull. They had 9 children... Hector Duncan McLean b. 29 Sept 1851 Nottawasaga, Ontario, Canada d. 19 Feb 1937 Duluth, Minnesota Margaret McLean b. 7 July 1852 Mariposa, Ontario, Canada m. David McCarter 10 Nov 1880 Mary McLean b. 23 May 1854 Nottawasaga, Ontario, Canada m. Duncan Cameron 29 Dec 1886 *Daniel Donald McLean b. 25 Nov 1855 Mariposa, Ontario, Canada m. Ellen Clarke 13 Nov 1887 Duluth, MN Angus McLean b. 29 Aug 1859 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Anne Unden 1891 Duluth, MN Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota John Cameron McLean b. 21 May 1866 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Maud Matilda Doty 1902 Ladysmith, WI Duncan McLean Jr. b. 28 March 1867 Mariposa, Ontario, Canada m. 1. Isadore Bullis 30 Dec 1891 Superior, WI 2. Mary Janet McColman 24 Oct 1900 Duluth, MN * my great grandfather Duncan died 5 Sep 1908 Duluth, MN Flora died 14 April 1920 Carmangay, Vulcan, Alberta, Canada ( after Duncan died she and Julia went with Euphemia and her husband to Alberta) The family seemed to go back and forth across the border. In 1861 they wre living next to Neil and Flora Arbuthnot in Mariposa, Ontario, Canada. In 1871, 1881 and 1891 they were in Nottawasga, Simcoe, Ontario. Duncan was a carpenter. They were Presbyterian. By 1900 Duncan and Flora were in Duluth, MN. My great grandfather, Daniel Donald, was a carpenter and then he ran a mill on the Rainy River (which is right on the border of the U S and Canada) He died there 28 Feb 1905 of pnuemonia. He left a wife and family of 5, one of which was my grandmother. (she was born just 6 months after he died) I haven't been able to find a birth or christening for Duncan or Flora. I am currently trying to ttack down Alexander and Lachlan. I have found one Alexander that I think might be him. This Alexander died 18 March 1878 Mariposa, Ontario, Canada. His oldest is named Charles. Is your family McLeans or McKinnons? I loved my trip to Mull!! Now I have to go back and bring my sisters. Thanks again, Dana On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > Hi Dana > > I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll changed > the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. > > Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who your > Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. > > I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b abt > 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a Charles > remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my guess. I > found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I could link it up > in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run of connecting these > families up. > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 8 > Family 39 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > John MCLEAN M M 30 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian > Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 20 > Family 91 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Antony MCKINNON M M 35 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian > Christina MCKINNON F M 27 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Presbyterian > Born: Nov; 5/12 > Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian > > 1881 a younger one: > Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada > Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 34 > Family 152 > Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace > Duncan MCLEAN M M 48 Scottish Scotland > Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist > Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland > Religion: C. Baptist > Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist > Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist > Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Kattie MCLEAN F 10 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish O <Ontario> > Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist > Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish O <Ontario> > Religion: C. Baptist > > thanks again Ida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi Ida, > > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that were > > mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." Lachlan is > > their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor was his onther > > son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling changed for my side > of > > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record for > > Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also found the > > baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I was just in > > Mull > > recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig mill. (Where Angus once > > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I have > > some > > research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie MacLean from > > Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of Lachlan and Margaret > > Maclean. He was the one who suggested that Angus's father was Hector > > MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are thinking now that it was possibly > > Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also > coming > > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are sons of > > Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his decendents are > > Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track down the nephews in > > Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > > The > > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have been a > > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as his > > parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has all the > > right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I find the > > nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > > Dana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Les Thanks for your assistance. This is very interesting indeed. Regards Libby ekmcm@me.com > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:44:20 +0000 > From: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia (via Liverpool) > > EliZabeth asked > > "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." > > There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports. Originally by David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of these two companies which form today's CalMac. > > The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool by sea; (and then to London by train) > > Hope this helps > Regards > Les

Thanks for all the links. Tricia -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Celebrations and Rituals? Hi all In addition to Ian's excellent recommendation have a look at ScotlandsPeople. There is a section on Lifestyle. Go to it, and other useful info, through the Help & Resources button. Regards Les

Hi all In addition to Ian's excellent recommendation have a look at ScotlandsPeople. There is a section on Lifestyle. Go to it, and other useful info, through the Help & Resources button. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

I've now check the shipboard diary for my grandfather written 1850-1851. His boat does not appear to have called anywhere in UK after Glasgow. There were only a small number (20) of passengers - presumably paying something towards their fare. jean -----Original Message----- From: Jean Whimp [mailto:jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:57 PM To: 'sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia Now you put me to shame. I have a diary from Glasgow of my Mull grandfather so I'll look it up and tell you where their ship called . I do remember that they also called at Madagascar and nearly got left behind!! More on this later Jean -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John And Joy Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:42 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia Its a puzzle isn't it! It would be really interesting to find out some answers. Oh to find a diary written by a family member! But that won't happen because I know they couldn't read or write! So back to the guessing game! You have done well tracing your family in their travels over ten years. Kind regards Joy > On 20 Nov 2013, at 9:55 pm, "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I too have wondered about travel. I traced my McINNES from Cullen, > Banff to Edinburgh over 10 yrs. I have suspected it might have been > on the drovers "roads" in horse and cart and I think it depends on the > time because we can find when there was a railway but it took time for a "network" of railway to take them the length and breath of Scotland. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy and John" <john.joy6@bigpond.com> > To: "mull list" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:06 AM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> My McInnes family immigrated to Australia in late 1848 from Kintra. >> They sailed from Plymouth on 14 September aboard the Maitland and >> arrived here on the 7 January 1849. >> >> I am wondering if anyone can tell me how they would have got to Plymouth? >> There were quite a lot of Scottish people on board this ship. >> Would there have been a steamer or other sailing vessel that would >> have taken them or would they have gone overland? >> >> I am not sure how I would go about finding out this information. >> Kind regards >> Joy >> in Austalia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dana I hope you had a great trip to Mull. I believe the Duke of Argyll changed the Mac to Mc I'm sure someone on the list will help further on that topic. Thanks for your information again. If you wouldn't mind adding who your Duncan D McLean married both Ian and I would appreciate it. I'm more inclined to think the parents of your Angus would be Allan b abt 1766 and Annie McQuarrie as that family lacks children but it has a Charles remaining in Sct with ch Lachlan & Alexander. But it's only my guess. I found these Duncan McLean and hoped 1 would be yours so I could link it up in my information. Any tidbit helps in the long run of connecting these families up. 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 8 Family 39 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John MCLEAN M M 30 Scottish Scotland Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary Anne MCLEAN F M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Duncan MCLEAN M M 60 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) Occ: Retired Religion: C. Presbyterian Catherine MCLEAN F M 65 Scottish Scotland (abt 1820) Religion: C. Presbyterian Donald MCLEAN M 25 Scottish Scotland Occ: Laborer Religion: C. Presbyterian 1881 Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 20 Family 91 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Antony MCKINNON M M 35 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Christina MCKINNON F M 27 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian John Douglas MCKINNON M <1 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Born: Nov; 5/12 Duncan MCLEAN M 60 Scottish Scotland Occ: Labourer Religion: C. Presbyterian 1881 a younger one: Census Place: Mariposa, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375878 NAC C-13242 Dist 129 SubDist C Div 3 Page 34 Family 152 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Duncan MCLEAN M M 48 Scottish Scotland Occ: Trader Religion: C. Baptist Isabella MCLEAN F M 45 Scottish Scotland Religion: C. Baptist Donald MCLEAN M 23 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Clerk Religion: C. Baptist Sarah MCLEAN F 20 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Music Teacher Religion: C. Baptist Hecter MCLEAN M 16 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Neil MCLEAN M 13 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Kattie MCLEAN F 10 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist John MCLEAN M 8 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Minnie MCLEAN F 6 Scottish O <Ontario> Occ: Going To School Religion: C. Baptist Dellie MCLEAN F 4 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Baptist thanks again Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > Hi Ida, > Thank you for all the great information! Yes that is my family that were > mentioned in "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada..." Lachlan is > their son who was married to Maragret Black. My ancestor was his onther > son, Duncan D McLean. I don't know why the spelling changed for my side of > the family. (McLean vs MacLean) I was able to find a marriage record for > Angus MacLean and Euphemia MacKinnon on ScotlandsPeople. I also found the > baptism for several of the children but not my ancestor. I was just in > Mull > recently and visisted the site of the Killunaig mill. (Where Angus once > worked) I have been helped enormously by Michael and Christine. I have > some > research that was done by a relative, Rev. Ross Currie MacLean from > Collingwood, Ontario, Canada. He was a desendent of Lachlan and Margaret > Maclean. He was the one who suggested that Angus's father was Hector > MacLean, mother Anne MacQuarrie. We are thinking now that it was possibly > Allan MacLean and Anne MacQuarrie. Rev. R.C. talks about Angus also coming > to Ontario with the his nephews, Alexander and Lachlan. They are sons of > Charles MacLean who remained on Mull and a couple of his decendents are > Barbra McHarg and Anne Whyte. I'm trying to track down the nephews in > Ontario. Flora MacLean and Neil Arbuthnot ended up in Collingwood also. > The > Hector you named Rev. R.C. names as a son of Angus. (He may have been a > grandson?) On his marriage record Angus and Euphemia are named as his > parents. The 1881 census has to be Lachlan and Margaret. It has all the > right names. Thank you for the links and information! If I find the > nephews, Lachlan and Alexander, I will post what I have. > Dana >

Did your Euphemia have a son Lachlan? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Barnett" <tricia.barnett@btinternet.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McPHAIL / CAMPBELL There is on Mull website Archibald 11 September 1862, Salen, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland m Flora Campbell. supposedly b 1790 son of John McPhail They a son Malcolm. I am sure the census will be on the website too. I keep hoping I will find parents for my Effie(Euphemia) McPhail b c 1760s Tricia --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Many thanks Tricia. I know that not everyone had a formal marriage ceremony so headed over to Scotland's People hoping to find a record. I didnt find it in Family Search either and I empathise with your own position. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Barnett" <tricia.barnett@btinternet.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McPHAIL / CAMPBELL There is on Mull website Archibald 11 September 1862, Salen, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland m Flora Campbell. supposedly b 1790 son of John McPhail They a son Malcolm. I am sure the census will be on the website too. I keep hoping I will find parents for my Effie(Euphemia) McPhail b c 1760s Tricia --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

There is on Mull website  Archibald 11 September 1862, Salen, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland m Flora Campbell.  supposedly b 1790 son of John McPhail    They a son Malcolm.   I am sure the census will be on the website too.   I keep hoping I will find parents for my Effie(Euphemia) McPhail  b c 1760s Tricia ________________________________ From: Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013, 18:24 Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McPHAIL / CAMPBELL Archibald McPHAIL and Flora CAMPBELL. I havent looked on the website as yet but I wondered if there's any one here with any connections to the above named.  Archibald's father may be Malcolm.  I cant find a marriage for them in Scotland's People.  My information arose from a newspaper report of an alleged brawl in 1862 at the Inn in Salen kept by my INNES family Any information would be appreciated. Janet

Hi Joy, I can recommend 'Scottish Customs from the cradle to the grave' by Margaret Bennett. Gives a good insight into the way folk used to live. Its published by Birlinn ISBN 1 84158 293 X. Its available at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scottish-Customs-Cradle-Margaret-Bennett/dp/184158293X where you can have a sneak read. I'm sure there will be other stockists. Ian On 21 November 2013 08:52, John And Joy <john.joy6@bigpond.com> wrote: > How lucky you are to have such a diary Jean! > Can you tell us what ports they stopped at on there way to Australia? > I would be interested to know. > > I have also been wondering about our families lives back in the 1830/40's. > Does anyone know what celebrations and traditions they would have enjoyed? > I was reading on the web that Scottish and Irish people used to have huge > bonfires and special rituals to celebrate the beginning of each season. > Would they have done that? > > Did they celebrate birthdays, Christmas and Easter? > > I would love to know more about their lives and not just have a list of > names. > > Kind regards > Joy > > > On 21 Nov 2013, at 3:25 pm, "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> > wrote: > > > > I've now check the shipboard diary for my grandfather written 1850-1851. > > His boat does not appear to have called anywhere in UK after Glasgow. > There > > were only a small number (20) of passengers - presumably paying something > > towards their fare. jean > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jean Whimp [mailto:jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au] > > Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:57 PM > > To: 'sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com' > > Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > > > > Now you put me to shame. I have a diary from Glasgow of my Mull > grandfather > > so I'll look it up and tell you where their ship called . I do remember > > that they also called at Madagascar and nearly got left behind!! More on > > this later > > Jean > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John And Joy > > Sent: Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:42 PM > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > > > > Its a puzzle isn't it! > > It would be really interesting to find out some answers. > > Oh to find a diary written by a family member! > > But that won't happen because I know they couldn't read or write! > > So back to the guessing game! > > You have done well tracing your family in their travels over ten years. > > Kind regards > > Joy > > > >> On 20 Nov 2013, at 9:55 pm, "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I too have wondered about travel. I traced my McINNES from Cullen, > >> Banff to Edinburgh over 10 yrs. I have suspected it might have been > >> on the drovers "roads" in horse and cart and I think it depends on the > >> time because we can find when there was a railway but it took time for a > > "network" of railway to take them the length and breath of Scotland. > >> > >> Janet > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Joy and John" <john.joy6@bigpond.com> > >> To: "mull list" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:06 AM > >> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia > >> > >> > >>> Hi Everyone, > >>> > >>> My McInnes family immigrated to Australia in late 1848 from Kintra. > >>> They sailed from Plymouth on 14 September aboard the Maitland and > >>> arrived here on the 7 January 1849. > >>> > >>> I am wondering if anyone can tell me how they would have got to > Plymouth? > >>> There were quite a lot of Scottish people on board this ship. > >>> Would there have been a steamer or other sailing vessel that would > >>> have taken them or would they have gone overland? > >>> > >>> I am not sure how I would go about finding out this information. > >>> Kind regards > >>> Joy > >>> in Austalia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I endorse what Jean has said about your information. Thank you. Out of curiosity I have checked the archives and found these http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-ISLEOFMULL/2010-01/1264542200 and there are others that might contain information; it is always worth searching there There are also lists here: http://surnamesupersearch.com/passenger/index.html http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/ships-passengers.htm There's a search engine on this page and its not only Aberdeen https://www.abdn.ac.uk/emigration/user-guide.html I think this site might be worth having a look around http://www.theshipslist.com/ but your search will have to start Scotland and hope there's something that includes Mull travellers. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia (via Liverpool) EliZabeth asked "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports. Originally by David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of these two companies which form today's CalMac. The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool by sea; (and then to London by train) Hope this helps Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Libby/all Just a note. Strictly it wouldn't have been the Caledonian Steam Packet Co in the early/mid 1800s, as it wasn't formed until the end of the century, but the Caledonian Railway and/or one of the companies which were merged to form The CSPCo. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McMillan <ekmcm@me.com> Sender: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:19:26 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com<sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia (via Liverpool) Les Thanks for your assistance. This is very interesting indeed. Regards Libby ekmcm@me.com > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:44:20 +0000 > From: leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Immigration to Australia (via Liverpool) > > EliZabeth asked > > "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." > > There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports. Originally by David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of these two companies which form today's CalMac. > > The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool by sea; (and then to London by train) > > Hope this helps > Regards > Les ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message