Hi Joy, No problem. So I can cross off Plymouth and add Gravesend to the list. Ian On 24 November 2013 09:26, Joy and John <john.joy6@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi Ian, > > I somehow got mixed up with my ancestors and it turns out you can cross > *Plymouth* off your list as a departure place. > > My McInnes family actually left _*Gravesend*_ on the 14th September 1848 > aboard the Maitland to sail to Australia. > > I am so sorry for the confusion. > > Do you still think they would have travelled from Kintra by water to get > there? > > Kindest regards > > Joy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Dana - I appreciate it. It's a shame that the records don't start until after their births. On 11/24/2013 4:19 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > So...I looked over everything I have and there are some discrepancies. I > didn't even realize it until you brought it up Linda so thank you! I have > information about the names and birthdays from my great uncle C Roy McLean > and also from Rev. Ross Currie MacLean. The note on my Uncle's paper > said,"as remembered by Roy". I will record what he wrote: > Children born to Duncan and Effie MacLean: > Margaret b.25 June 1851 > Hector b. 29 Sept 1852 > Mary b. 23 May 1854 > Donald "Daniel" b. 20 Nov 1855 > Euphemia b. 17 Oct 1857 > Angus b. 29 Aug 1859 > Julia b. 3 June 1861 > John Cameron b. 21 May 1863 (his grand daughter has 1866) > Duncan Jr. b. 28 March 1867 > It would be helpful to have some records! Thanks again, Dana > > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 and Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 >> >> Thanks! >> >> On 11/23/2013 11:39 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: >>> Sorry Linda, which birthday did you want me to double-check? Dana >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dana - >>>> Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - >>>> thanks! >>>> >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: >>>>> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married >>>>> Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R >> Knox >>>>> abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox > abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota Am I missing something. Two births within 4 months !! Ian On 24 November 2013 14:55, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com> wrote: > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 and Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 > > Thanks! > > On 11/23/2013 11:39 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > > Sorry Linda, which birthday did you want me to double-check? Dana > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Dana - > >> Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - > >> thanks! > >> > >> > >> Linda > >> > >> On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > >>> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > >>> Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R > Knox > >>> abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So...I looked over everything I have and there are some discrepancies. I didn't even realize it until you brought it up Linda so thank you! I have information about the names and birthdays from my great uncle C Roy McLean and also from Rev. Ross Currie MacLean. The note on my Uncle's paper said,"as remembered by Roy". I will record what he wrote: Children born to Duncan and Effie MacLean: Margaret b.25 June 1851 Hector b. 29 Sept 1852 Mary b. 23 May 1854 Donald "Daniel" b. 20 Nov 1855 Euphemia b. 17 Oct 1857 Angus b. 29 Aug 1859 Julia b. 3 June 1861 John Cameron b. 21 May 1863 (his grand daughter has 1866) Duncan Jr. b. 28 March 1867 It would be helpful to have some records! Thanks again, Dana On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 and Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 > > Thanks! > > On 11/23/2013 11:39 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > > Sorry Linda, which birthday did you want me to double-check? Dana > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> Dana - > >> Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - > >> thanks! > >> > >> > >> Linda > >> > >> On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > >>> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > >>> Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R > Knox > >>> abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy asked > Do you still think they would have travelled from Kintra by water to get there? I can but reiterate my reply to EliZabeth who asked: "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports/islands of Scotland. Originally by David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co. and its predecessors, ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of these two companies which form today's CalMac.   The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool by sea; (and then to London by train) They would have travelled from London to Gravesend by train.   Hope this helps Regards Les

Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 and Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Thanks! On 11/23/2013 11:39 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > Sorry Linda, which birthday did you want me to double-check? Dana > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Dana - >> Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - >> thanks! >> >> >> Linda >> >> On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: >>> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married >>> Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox >>> abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Dana! On 11/23/2013 11:53 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > Linda, > The information I have said there were 2 Hector MacLean's and that the > oldest was called "Big Hector". They said that the younger died in > Beaverton. I will check the dates I have for him. Dana > > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Dana - >> Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - >> thanks! >> >> >> Linda >> >> On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: >>> Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married >>> Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox >>> abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dana - Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - thanks! Linda On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox > abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota

Linda, The information I have said there were 2 Hector MacLean's and that the oldest was called "Big Hector". They said that the younger died in Beaverton. I will check the dates I have for him. Dana On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > Dana - > Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - > thanks! > > > Linda > > On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > > Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox > > abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Linda, which birthday did you want me to double-check? Dana On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Linda M. Towne <manateemum@gmail.com>wrote: > Dana - > Is one of these birthdates a typo? Do you mind doublechecking them - > thanks! > > > Linda > > On 11/21/2013 7:29 PM, Dana & Ryan wrote: > > Julia McLean b. 3 June 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada never married > > Euphemia McLean b. 17 Oct 1861 Nottawa, Ontario, Canada m. Robert R Knox > > abt 1888 Duluth, Minnesota > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ida, Thank you for the record of the marriage of Duncan and Flora! Now I'm wondering who Allen McLean and Archibald McLennon are. Of course you may use the obit! Dana On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Merle and Ida King <m_iking@mcsnet.ca>wrote: > Hi Dana > > Thanks again for you info but it makes for more ?'s > > I wonder if perhaps you might check your copies of the census for Hugh > Cameron b abt 1806 and Ann McLean (sp) abt 1811 as they were in Kinloch > 1841 > but they are not on Mull after 1841 and yes they had a daughter Flora b abt > 1832. You can check the mullgenealogy site for the census record > > I've never checked the original record but I found these on-line Mary won't > do lookups at the moment. The 2nd one Michael will do the necessary > look-ups > at a cost > > Marriages 1849-1856 Rev MacMurchy Victoria Co., Ont > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/macmurch.htm > > MacLean, Duncan Mariposa Cameron, Flora Mariposa Archibald McLennon Allen > McLean 07-Mar-50 Eldon > > uppercanadamarriages@ontariogenealogy.com > > CAMERON FLORA .. MCLEAN DUNCAN .. 1850 > > I'd like your permisson to include the obituary for Flora in my obituary > file giving you full credit to it > > I'll check with the AGS and see if they have a copy of the Vulcan History > book that I can get on loan.. > > thanks again > Ida > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:07 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi Ida, > > All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't have > > any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: > > Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) > > Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 > > > > "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 > > > > Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age 90, > > formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in Duluth > for > > 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. Knox, > > with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured > > Wednesday. > > Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth > and > > Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David McCarter of > > Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. The body will > > be > > brought to Duluth for internment." > > > > Picture is included. > > > > I was able to find this record: > > > > WHYTE, DONALD. A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before > > Confederation. Toronto: Ontario Genealogical Society. Volume 2, 1995. > > 435p. > > > > Name:Flora CameronArrival Year:1840Arrival Place:Ontario, CanadaSource > > Publication Code:9758.1Primary Immigrant:Cameron, Flora > > > > The first census I have is with she and Duncan in 1861: > > > > Duncan Mcclan MALE 41 1820 Scotland Married > > > > Flora Mcclan FEMALE 34 1827 Scotland Married > > > > Hector Mcclan MALE 5 1856 Canada > > > > Margaret Mcclan FEMALE 9 1852 Canada > > > > The Township of Mariposa---Victoria--- > > > > After Duncan's death 5 Sep 1908 Duluth, MN Flora and Julia, their > > daughter, > > go to Carmangay, Vulcan, Albert. They lived with another daughter > Euphemia > > and her husband Robert Knox. I have not been able to find a marriage > > record > > for she and Duncan yet nor a record of her death in Carmangay. She is > > buried under Mrs. Flora McLean: > > Carmangay > > Strathmore Census Division > > Alberta, Canada > > Plot: Lot -- 02 --- Block -- 04The family cesus's I have show that Duncan > > and Flora were married in 1850and 1861 in Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario > > 1871, > > 1881 and 1891 in Nottawasaga, Simcoe, Ontario by 1900 they have moved to > > Duluth, MN. The 1911 and 1916 census's have Flora in Alberta. I would > LOVE > > to find the marriage record because it would probably have Flora's > parents > > on it. Dana > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to McCarten and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As for changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a good reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. Jacqueline[ On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought that in looking at these names, it is important not > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not a family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather than necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > Best wishes > James > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in Ireland. If this were > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull many years ago. > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and others using Mc are > > recorded in your records. > > > > Janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' and > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I guess > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read and write > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess this > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought that in looking at these names, it is important not to place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not a family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather than necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > Best wishes > James > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in Ireland. If this were > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull many years ago. > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and others using Mc are > > recorded in your records. > > > > Janet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' and > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I guess > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read and write > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess this > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Dana, Your problem is familiar to me. Mariposa info is hard to find for five reasons: a) the 1851 census for Mariposa has been lost in time (same for Scarborough and Erin in 1851, two other townships I research) b) of the two-dozen-odd volumes of Historic Atlases created for counties in Ontario in the 1870's and 1880's, none was done for Victoria County in which Mariposa resides - a minor tragedy c) the Presbyterian Church at Sonya, is on the Brock Township, Ontario County side of the township line, as is the cemetery, and folk attended from both townships in the two different counties. The church is now closed and I was told by the Presbyterian Church of Canada Archives in Toronto that the church's records have not survived. (I did this research about 10 years ago - my grandmother's baptism there is thus lost) d) requests for help from the Port Perry newspaper were to no avail though I have not repeated the request lately (nor have I put in a paid advertisement) e) in spending a full day at the Whitby Public Library and then another full day at the Lindsay Public Library some four years ago, I found very very few cemeteries have been catalogued in Victoria County. Seems to me, if I remember correctly, it was only about 3-4. Also in Lindsay I spent time at the Registry Office - helpful for sequential ownership of farms (my McDougalls and Beatons and the McKinnons) and neighbours but no breakthroughs on genealogy. Compared to other counties Victoria just has so little. Elaine's suggestion of histories or Women's Institute Archives could help or the slow task of reading archival local newpapers or deaths post-1869 at the RGO. All the above are downers, Dana. Sorry. I will try to check my McKinnon binders to see if I can help you re the folk in Mariposa: a gggrandmother, Flora McKinnon Beaton, returned from Vaughan Township, York County to Mariposa as a widow, in the 1870's, but I have yet to be able to determine with cross-references which McKinnons in Mariposa were her siblings. All the best. Elizabeth Wood McDonald, Sarnia, Ontario. > From: elainer@cogeco.ca > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:12:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hi > During that period there was no county system of record keeping for Vital > Stats. Instead the province was divided into Districts and a marriage would > likely be recorded in either the Home District or the Newcastle District as > Mariposa is close to the border. There are several volumes to the Home > District. As with most early records they are far from complete but they > have been transcribed and are in most larger libraries in Ontario. The > information is usually quite limited and seldom gives parents names or > birthplace. The most complete records are usually found in church records. > However, a large number of township histories have been written and quite a > few have wonderful family histories. I suggest trying to locate one on > Mariposa. I would also suggest contacting the branch if the Ontario > Historical Society for that area. > > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana & Ryan > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:07 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hi Ida, > All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't have > any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: > Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) > Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 > > "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 > > Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age 90, > formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in Duluth for > 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. Knox, > with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured Wednesday. > Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth and > Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David McCarter of > Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. The body will be > brought to Duluth for internment." > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 11/22/13, Jean Whimp <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > James Browne's L.L.D Advocate: 'Highlands and clans Vol 4 " London Edinburgh > and Dublin ; A Fullarton and Co published 1850 is apparently now out of date > re the Tartans which are published in the back of volume 4. However when I > was last in SCT they were still selling ties like this in the shops!! My > Grandpa brought the 4 volumes to NZ and oZ when he came in 1850/1 > Jean Whimp (nee Campbell) > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] <sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of > leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk > Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 9:48 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Cc: Les Horn > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > James said > > > > it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and > not something to really be too concerned about. > > Agreed. Far too much is put into the Mac, Mc thing. It should be. noted that > M' is also used. > > > Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan.....seems > now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. > > It should be noted that there is now an (official) Scottish Register of > Tartan(www.tartanregister.gov.uk) which was established by an act of the > Scottish Parliament in 2008. It is a database of tartan designs and is > maintained by the National Records of Scotland. > > Regards > Les > Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Dana Thanks again for you info but it makes for more ?'s I wonder if perhaps you might check your copies of the census for Hugh Cameron b abt 1806 and Ann McLean (sp) abt 1811 as they were in Kinloch 1841 but they are not on Mull after 1841 and yes they had a daughter Flora b abt 1832. You can check the mullgenealogy site for the census record I've never checked the original record but I found these on-line Mary won't do lookups at the moment. The 2nd one Michael will do the necessary look-ups at a cost Marriages 1849-1856 Rev MacMurchy Victoria Co., Ont http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/macmurch.htm MacLean, Duncan Mariposa Cameron, Flora Mariposa Archibald McLennon Allen McLean 07-Mar-50 Eldon uppercanadamarriages@ontariogenealogy.com CAMERON FLORA .. MCLEAN DUNCAN .. 1850 I'd like your permisson to include the obituary for Flora in my obituary file giving you full credit to it I'll check with the AGS and see if they have a copy of the Vulcan History book that I can get on loan.. thanks again Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana & Ryan" <rdkelly24@gmail.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > Hi Ida, > All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't have > any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: > Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) > Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 > > "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 > > Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age 90, > formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in Duluth for > 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. Knox, > with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured > Wednesday. > Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth and > Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David McCarter of > Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. The body will > be > brought to Duluth for internment." > > Picture is included. > > I was able to find this record: > > WHYTE, DONALD. A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before > Confederation. Toronto: Ontario Genealogical Society. Volume 2, 1995. > 435p. > > Name:Flora CameronArrival Year:1840Arrival Place:Ontario, CanadaSource > Publication Code:9758.1Primary Immigrant:Cameron, Flora > > The first census I have is with she and Duncan in 1861: > > Duncan Mcclan MALE 41 1820 Scotland Married > > Flora Mcclan FEMALE 34 1827 Scotland Married > > Hector Mcclan MALE 5 1856 Canada > > Margaret Mcclan FEMALE 9 1852 Canada > > The Township of Mariposa---Victoria--- > > After Duncan's death 5 Sep 1908 Duluth, MN Flora and Julia, their > daughter, > go to Carmangay, Vulcan, Albert. They lived with another daughter Euphemia > and her husband Robert Knox. I have not been able to find a marriage > record > for she and Duncan yet nor a record of her death in Carmangay. She is > buried under Mrs. Flora McLean: > Carmangay > Strathmore Census Division > Alberta, Canada > Plot: Lot -- 02 --- Block -- 04The family cesus's I have show that Duncan > and Flora were married in 1850and 1861 in Mariposa, Victoria, Ontario > 1871, > 1881 and 1891 in Nottawasaga, Simcoe, Ontario by 1900 they have moved to > Duluth, MN. The 1911 and 1916 census's have Flora in Alberta. I would LOVE > to find the marriage record because it would probably have Flora's parents > on it. Dana >

Who was your Flora Beaton married to? -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth mcdonald Sent: November-23-13 1:03 PM To: isle of mull roots Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mariposa Problems Again Dear Dana, Your problem is familiar to me. Mariposa info is hard to find for five reasons: a) the 1851 census for Mariposa has been lost in time (same for Scarborough and Erin in 1851, two other townships I research) b) of the two-dozen-odd volumes of Historic Atlases created for counties in Ontario in the 1870's and 1880's, none was done for Victoria County in which Mariposa resides - a minor tragedy c) the Presbyterian Church at Sonya, is on the Brock Township, Ontario County side of the township line, as is the cemetery, and folk attended from both townships in the two different counties. The church is now closed and I was told by the Presbyterian Church of Canada Archives in Toronto that the church's records have not survived. (I did this research about 10 years ago - my grandmother's baptism there is thus lost) d) requests for help from the Port Perry newspaper were to no avail though I have not repeated the request lately (nor have I put in a paid advertisement) e) in spending a full day at the Whitby Public Library and then another full day at the Lindsay Public Library some four years ago, I found very very few cemeteries have been catalogued in Victoria County. Seems to me, if I remember correctly, it was only about 3-4. Also in Lindsay I spent time at the Registry Office - helpful for sequential ownership of farms (my McDougalls and Beatons and the McKinnons) and neighbours but no breakthroughs on genealogy. Compared to other counties Victoria just has so little. Elaine's suggestion of histories or Women's Institute Archives could help or the slow task of reading archival local newpapers or deaths post-1869 at the RGO. All the above are downers, Dana. Sorry. I will try to check my McKinnon binders to see if I can help you re the folk in Mariposa: a gggrandmother, Flora McKinnon Beaton, returned from Vaughan Township, York County to Mariposa as a widow, in the 1870's, but I have yet to be able to determine with cross-references which McKinnons in Mariposa were her siblings. All the best. Elizabeth Wood McDonald, Sarnia, Ontario. > From: elainer@cogeco.ca > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:12:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hi > During that period there was no county system of record keeping for > Vital Stats. Instead the province was divided into Districts and a > marriage would likely be recorded in either the Home District or the > Newcastle District as Mariposa is close to the border. There are > several volumes to the Home District. As with most early records they > are far from complete but they have been transcribed and are in most > larger libraries in Ontario. The information is usually quite limited > and seldom gives parents names or birthplace. The most complete records are usually found in church records. > However, a large number of township histories have been written and > quite a few have wonderful family histories. I suggest trying to > locate one on Mariposa. I would also suggest contacting the branch if > the Ontario Historical Society for that area. > > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana & Ryan > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:07 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > Hi Ida, > All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't > have any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: > Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) > Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 > > "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 > > Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age > 90, formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in > Duluth for > 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. > Knox, with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured Wednesday. > Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth > and Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David > McCarter of Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. > The body will be brought to Duluth for internment." > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James Browne's L.L.D Advocate: 'Highlands and clans Vol 4 " London Edinburgh and Dublin ; A Fullarton and Co published 1850 is apparently now out of date re the Tartans which are published in the back of volume 4. However when I was last in SCT they were still selling ties like this in the shops!! My Grandpa brought the 4 volumes to NZ and oZ when he came in 1850/1 Jean Whimp (nee Campbell) -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 9:48 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Cc: Les Horn Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll James said > it seems to me the Mc/Mac dichotomy is merely a scribal abbreviation, and not something to really be too concerned about. Agreed. Far too much is put into the Mac, Mc thing. It should be. noted that M' is also used. > Seems the Duke took liberties in other ways too with the tartan.....seems now that this is illegal according to the current Duke. It should be noted that there is now an (official) Scottish Register of Tartan(www.tartanregister.gov.uk) which was established by an act of the Scottish Parliament in 2008. It is a database of tartan designs and is maintained by the National Records of Scotland. Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

possibly the following? I agree that it's unlikely that Euphemia b. circa 1793 was giving birth as late as 1848-1850. Is there another couple with the same name? Or could Hector's age be (way) off in the marriage record? Angus/Euphemia did have a Hector bapt. 7 Jul 1827 who died 17 Jul 1883 Mariposa Name: Hector Mclean Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 26 Feb 1883 Event Place: Cannington, Ontario, Ontario, Canada Age: 35 Birth Year (Estimated): 1848 Father's Name: Angus Mclean Mother's Name: Euphemia Mclean Spouse's Name: Fannie Hancock Spouse's Age: 23 Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1860 Spouse's Father's Name: George Hancock Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Ann Hancock Page: 008841 GS Film Number: 1869763 Digital Folder Number: 004529139 Image Number: 00326 On 11/20/2013 11:47 AM, Merle and Ida King wrote: > You mention a Hector McLean b 12 Jul 1850 in Markham Ont who dies at > Beaverton Ont Feb 10 1902 but I can't see who he belong to

Hi During that period there was no county system of record keeping for Vital Stats. Instead the province was divided into Districts and a marriage would likely be recorded in either the Home District or the Newcastle District as Mariposa is close to the border. There are several volumes to the Home District. As with most early records they are far from complete but they have been transcribed and are in most larger libraries in Ontario. The information is usually quite limited and seldom gives parents names or birthplace. The most complete records are usually found in church records. However, a large number of township histories have been written and quite a few have wonderful family histories. I suggest trying to locate one on Mariposa. I would also suggest contacting the branch if the Ontario Historical Society for that area. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Dana & Ryan Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:07 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean Hi Ida, All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't have any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age 90, formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in Duluth for 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. Knox, with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured Wednesday. Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth and Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David McCarter of Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. The body will be brought to Duluth for internment."