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Just noticed this on the Coll list and thought it worthwhile re-posting to this list just in case one of the four names rings a bell with anyone. Ian ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Darryl <stoutd@shaw.ca> Date: 19 December 2013 04:29 Subject: [SCT-ARG-COLL] Did the Hudson Bay Company employ men from Tiree? To: SCT-ARG-COLL@rootsweb.com A few weeks ago I learned that a couple of Fair Isle cousins signed on with the HBC ~1861. Since I was researching the HBC I thought I would have a look for Tiree employees. I searched the internet and also had the HBC archivist check her searchable data base. Her data base has a lot of the employees but not all. To-date we found zero from Tiree, 4 from Mull, 5 from Islay and another 4 from other parts of Argyll. So it looks like the company did very little recruiting in Argyll and none on Tiree. Anyone know if that is true or not? Anyone aware of people I missed? Tiree none ….................... Mull McDOUGALL, John Lorn 1820 McLean Donald Charles 1813 McLean Donald 1833 McLean John 1820 ….................... Islay Carmichael Archibald 1824 McDuffie John 1824 McEachern John 1824 McLellan William 1824 SINCLAIR Charles Cuthbert 1887 ….............................. Other Argyll McDOUGALL Neil 1858 McDonald Donald 1812 McTavish Dugald 1833 McTavish William 1833 _________________________________________________________________ [1][avast-mail-stamp.png] This email is free from viruses and malware because [2]avast! Antivirus protection is active. References 1. http://www.avast.com/ 2. http://www.avast.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ARG-COLL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Louise I realize that that your people are from Tyree but. I know your subscribed here as well. Did both Donald & Sarah marry twice. In the 1871 census for Osprey twp, Grey Co Ont I found the following: Under McKinnon Donald aged 50 Sct Blacksmith Sarah aged 45 Alexander 19 Donald 16 Neil 14 Mary 11 Sarah 7 Isabel 5 Allan 10 Jane 8 Archibald 6 These McKinnon children have Donald McIntyre aged 55 & Isabel McIntyre aged 30 I believe are transcribed wrongly in 1861 which has Alexander 9, Donald 7, Neil 5, Mary 4, Ann 2 which fits well with this from Mary Crandalls site. I've added my comments in ( )'s Anything you add will be greatly appreciated Donald McKINNON, 47, Argyleshire Scotland, Osprey, s/o Donald & Mary, married Sarah McLEAN, 46, Argyleshire Scotland, Mariposa, d/o Allan & Jane (McFadyen of Tyree) , witn: Hector McDONALD & Mr. & Mrs. McFAYDEN all of Manilla on July 28, 1868 1881 Census Place: Nottawasaga, Simcoe North, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375886 NAC C-13250 Dist 139 SubDist A Div 1 Page 97 Family 403 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Donald MCKINNON M M 60 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: Methodist Canada Sarah MCKINNON F M 52 Scottish Scotland Religion: Congregational Alexander MCKINNON M 29 Scottish Ontario Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Sarah Ann MCKINNON F 16 Scottish Ontario Religion: Presbyterian Isabella Catharine MCKINNON F 14 Scottish Ontario Religion: Presbyterian Margaret Jane MCQUARRY F 17 Scottish Ontario Religion: Presbyterian Note: stepdaughter Could Allan 10, Jane 8 and Archibald 6 be transcribed wrong and they were McQuarry children instead ?? thanks Ida

There was also and Alexander I and Alexander II, who preceded Alexander III I hesitate to offer Wikipedia as a source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scottish_monarchs On 26 November 2013 10:12, Janet <cilurnum@googlemail.com> wrote: > Alexander is a name that has been handed down for centuries. There was > one Alexander III > who ruled Scotland from 1249 to 1286. Naming children after a minister or > someone else > whoever was also a naming practice and more recently after a parent or > grand parent and it > has been so in the United Kingdom as a whole, and, I guess, elsewhere > after an > affectionate relationship.. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> > To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll > > > > Dear Dana, > > I believe the tachsman was the one who collected the rents for > the Duke. But, > > perhaps he was a civil servant for the government. Ian could probably > tell you. > > > > I don't know who Sandy would be, only that Sandy is short for > Alexander for the > > Scots. I once asked why so many Alexanders and Hectors in Scotland and > the answer I was > > given was that probably they were the suggestions of the Presbyterian > ministers, who, > > being the only literate or educated people in the community, (till the > 1790's) favoured > > the heroes of old Greece, once the traditional names were exhausted - ie > the paternal > > grandfather, the maternal grandfather and then the father. Your Angus > McLean was > > mentioned only in the sentence I quoted. No further info was given on > him. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sláinte, Lachaidh *Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein loma-làn easgannan?*

Hi Elizabeth Welcome to the list. Might I ask which McLeans from Mull to Canada in the 1820's were. thanks Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Fearon" <efearon@eastlink.ca> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Elizabeth Fearon" <efearon@eastlink.ca> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] SCT-ISLEOFMULL Digest, Vol 8, Issue 249 >I have been following this thread because I am researching a family of >McLean who came form Mull to Canada in 1820. > I would like to have access to the Census of the Duke of Argyll in 1779 > referred to by Elizabeth. Please let me know how to access this. Since > the McLeans left Mull in the 1820's it could help identify a location. > Enjoy reading your information . > > Elizabeth, Canada

I have been following this thread because I am researching a family of McLean who came form Mull to Canada in 1820. I would like to have access to the Census of the Duke of Argyll in 1779 referred to by Elizabeth. Please let me know how to access this. Since the McLeans left Mull in the 1820's it could help identify a location. Enjoy reading your information . Elizabeth, Canada On 2013-11-26, at 4:00 AM, sct-isleofmull-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > PLEASE don't reply with the whole digest attached. Remember when replying to a message, which was received through the digest. You'll have to change the subject line to reflect which message your responding to. You'll have to cut and paste the necessary information into a new message then cc the list and original poster. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll (elizabeth mcdonald) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 21:03:02 +0000 > From: elizabeth mcdonald <moshi94@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll > To: isle of mull roots <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU173-W3375F0C1C9CCFCC22639DEB2ED0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Dana, > I believe the tachsman was the one who collected the rents for the Duke. But, perhaps he was a civil servant for the government. Ian could probably tell you. > > I don't know who Sandy would be, only that Sandy is short for Alexander for the Scots. I once asked why so many Alexanders and Hectors in Scotland and the answer I was given was that probably they were the suggestions of the Presbyterian ministers, who, being the only literate or educated people in the community, (till the 1790's) favoured the heroes of old Greece, once the traditional names were exhausted - ie the paternal grandfather, the maternal grandfather and then the father. Your Angus McLean was mentioned only in the sentence I quoted. No further info was given on him. > > To get more info on your Angus's parents you would need to follow up on Sandy the brother who appeared, as of 1849, to still live on Mull. Certainly your finding a Sandy as a son of a Hector is encouraging. Try the 1841 census to find Sandy and Christina McLean on Mull and see the sequence of names of the sons and where they lived exactly on Mull - Killunaig? Then compare it with the 1861 census for Mariposa to see if the sequence of names is the same for your Angus. > > Though I favour the Hector as father because of location, Killunaig, the eldest son of your Angus is a Donald. So match my guesses with Ida's. > > All the best. > Elizabeth. > > >> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:00:15 -0600 >> From: rdkelly24@gmail.com >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll >> >> Dear Elizabeth, >> I have a few questions. What was a taxman? I have a brother for Angus, son >> of Hector, named Alexander b. 18 May 1800 in Kilninian. He married a >> Christina McEachern on 8 August 1832 in Kilfinichen and Kilvickinen. The >> letter you have is so great! Who would Sandy be? Thanks, Dana >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, elizabeth mcdonald <moshi94@hotmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Dear Dana, >>> You are hoping to find the parents of your Angus McLean born in >>> 1792. You note that your Angus McLean was the miller at Killunaig before >>> emigrating with wife and family to Mariposa in 1833. >>> >>> Looking at the Duke of Argyll's 1779 census the miller of >>> Killunaig in 1779 was a Hugh McLean aged 40 (b. 1739). Also in Killunaig >>> in 1779 is an Alex. McLean taxman, aged 55, with son Hector aged 5 and an >>> Angus McLean aged 40. Those three are the only adult males listed in >>> Killunaig in 1779. >>> >>> It appears both Angus the miller and Hugh were bachelors at the >>> age of 40 as no wife nor children are listed with either man. I would >>> doubt they would marry at this point in their lives. Conversely, at >>> Torrenbeg (Estate) which sits directly back of Killunaig which is on the >>> water, are John, 22, taxman and Charles his brother 14 and Neil a herder. >>> My supposition is that all three are older sons of Alex, taxman of >>> Killunaig, who set his eldest son up as taxman in Torrenbeg. >>> There is also another Charles in Torrenbeg aged 20. >>> >>> Lastly in 1779 there is an Alexander McLean, aged 80, (b 1699) at >>> Beluich just close by. >>> >>> So my input re your ancestors of Angus McLean is, as supposition, >>> - your Duncan, father Angus (1792), then grandfather Hector, (1774) then >>> great-grandfather Alexander (taxman at Killunaig) (1724) and the >>> great-great-grandfather Alexander (1699 Beluich). >>> >>> Since we all are trying to help, perhaps something new above will, >>> from Ida or Ian or Linda, strike a note that can help us all. >>> >>> Finally, I have in my possession the transcription of a letter >>> written in 1849 and in it it says "i did not see Angus McLean, Sandy's >>> Brother but they are well... They are about 60 miles from here". The >>> letter is written from Vaughan and in my deduction it definitely refers to >>> your Angus, Dana. Not much help in giving a brother named Alexander but >>> perhaps we all can solve the jig-saw puzzle together. >>> >>> All the best. >>> Elizabeth. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-ISLEOFMULL list administrator, send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-ISLEOFMULL mailing list, send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-ISLEOFMULL Digest, Vol 8, Issue 249 > **********************************************

Hi Jacqueline Is this one of your family Her parents Malcolm Ferguson b Aug 12 1807 Isle of Mull who m'd Catherine McFadyen also of Mull is in 1881 Mariposa Victoria South Ont http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm Thomas WYLIE, 26, Scotland, Brock, s/o John & Euphemia, married Catherine FERGUSON, 23, Canada, Mariposa, d/o Malcolm & Catherine, witn: John WYLIE & Hugh FERGUSON both of Mariposa on July 10, 1867 Ida

Alexander is a name that has been handed down for centuries. There was one Alexander III who ruled Scotland from 1249 to 1286. Naming children after a minister or someone else whoever was also a naming practice and more recently after a parent or grand parent and it has been so in the United Kingdom as a whole, and, I guess, elsewhere after an affectionate relationship.. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth mcdonald" <moshi94@hotmail.com> To: "isle of mull roots" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll > Dear Dana, > I believe the tachsman was the one who collected the rents for the Duke. But, > perhaps he was a civil servant for the government. Ian could probably tell you. > > I don't know who Sandy would be, only that Sandy is short for Alexander for the > Scots. I once asked why so many Alexanders and Hectors in Scotland and the answer I was > given was that probably they were the suggestions of the Presbyterian ministers, who, > being the only literate or educated people in the community, (till the 1790's) favoured > the heroes of old Greece, once the traditional names were exhausted - ie the paternal > grandfather, the maternal grandfather and then the father. Your Angus McLean was > mentioned only in the sentence I quoted. No further info was given on him. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Dear Dana, I believe the tachsman was the one who collected the rents for the Duke. But, perhaps he was a civil servant for the government. Ian could probably tell you. I don't know who Sandy would be, only that Sandy is short for Alexander for the Scots. I once asked why so many Alexanders and Hectors in Scotland and the answer I was given was that probably they were the suggestions of the Presbyterian ministers, who, being the only literate or educated people in the community, (till the 1790's) favoured the heroes of old Greece, once the traditional names were exhausted - ie the paternal grandfather, the maternal grandfather and then the father. Your Angus McLean was mentioned only in the sentence I quoted. No further info was given on him. To get more info on your Angus's parents you would need to follow up on Sandy the brother who appeared, as of 1849, to still live on Mull. Certainly your finding a Sandy as a son of a Hector is encouraging. Try the 1841 census to find Sandy and Christina McLean on Mull and see the sequence of names of the sons and where they lived exactly on Mull - Killunaig? Then compare it with the 1861 census for Mariposa to see if the sequence of names is the same for your Angus. Though I favour the Hector as father because of location, Killunaig, the eldest son of your Angus is a Donald. So match my guesses with Ida's. All the best. Elizabeth. > Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:00:15 -0600 > From: rdkelly24@gmail.com > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus McLean - Duke of Argyll > > Dear Elizabeth, > I have a few questions. What was a taxman? I have a brother for Angus, son > of Hector, named Alexander b. 18 May 1800 in Kilninian. He married a > Christina McEachern on 8 August 1832 in Kilfinichen and Kilvickinen. The > letter you have is so great! Who would Sandy be? Thanks, Dana > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, elizabeth mcdonald <moshi94@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > Dear Dana, > > You are hoping to find the parents of your Angus McLean born in > > 1792. You note that your Angus McLean was the miller at Killunaig before > > emigrating with wife and family to Mariposa in 1833. > > > > Looking at the Duke of Argyll's 1779 census the miller of > > Killunaig in 1779 was a Hugh McLean aged 40 (b. 1739). Also in Killunaig > > in 1779 is an Alex. McLean taxman, aged 55, with son Hector aged 5 and an > > Angus McLean aged 40. Those three are the only adult males listed in > > Killunaig in 1779. > > > > It appears both Angus the miller and Hugh were bachelors at the > > age of 40 as no wife nor children are listed with either man. I would > > doubt they would marry at this point in their lives. Conversely, at > > Torrenbeg (Estate) which sits directly back of Killunaig which is on the > > water, are John, 22, taxman and Charles his brother 14 and Neil a herder. > > My supposition is that all three are older sons of Alex, taxman of > > Killunaig, who set his eldest son up as taxman in Torrenbeg. > > There is also another Charles in Torrenbeg aged 20. > > > > Lastly in 1779 there is an Alexander McLean, aged 80, (b 1699) at > > Beluich just close by. > > > > So my input re your ancestors of Angus McLean is, as supposition, > > - your Duncan, father Angus (1792), then grandfather Hector, (1774) then > > great-grandfather Alexander (taxman at Killunaig) (1724) and the > > great-great-grandfather Alexander (1699 Beluich). > > > > Since we all are trying to help, perhaps something new above will, > > from Ida or Ian or Linda, strike a note that can help us all. > > > > Finally, I have in my possession the transcription of a letter > > written in 1849 and in it it says "i did not see Angus McLean, Sandy's > > Brother but they are well... They are about 60 miles from here". The > > letter is written from Vaughan and in my deduction it definitely refers to > > your Angus, Dana. Not much help in giving a brother named Alexander but > > perhaps we all can solve the jig-saw puzzle together. > > > > All the best. > > Elizabeth. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth asked I have a few questions. What was a taxman? Not a TaXsman but a Tacksman. A Tacksman is - to quote ScotlandsPeople (SP) - "A person who holds a lease and sublets land to others. (Tacksmen were found mostly in the highlands from the 17th Century, and were often a close relative of the chief. Although some of them farmed the land themselves, most lived off the difference between the low rent they paid to the chief and the rents they charged to sublet the land." Regards Les Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Dear Dana, You are hoping to find the parents of your Angus McLean born in 1792. You note that your Angus McLean was the miller at Killunaig before emigrating with wife and family to Mariposa in 1833. Looking at the Duke of Argyll's 1779 census the miller of Killunaig in 1779 was a Hugh McLean aged 40 (b. 1739). Also in Killunaig in 1779 is an Alex. McLean taxman, aged 55, with son Hector aged 5 and an Angus McLean aged 40. Those three are the only adult males listed in Killunaig in 1779. It appears both Angus the miller and Hugh were bachelors at the age of 40 as no wife nor children are listed with either man. I would doubt they would marry at this point in their lives. Conversely, at Torrenbeg (Estate) which sits directly back of Killunaig which is on the water, are John, 22, taxman and Charles his brother 14 and Neil a herder. My supposition is that all three are older sons of Alex, taxman of Killunaig, who set his eldest son up as taxman in Torrenbeg. There is also another Charles in Torrenbeg aged 20. Lastly in 1779 there is an Alexander McLean, aged 80, (b 1699) at Beluich just close by. So my input re your ancestors of Angus McLean is, as supposition, - your Duncan, father Angus (1792), then grandfather Hector, (1774) then great-grandfather Alexander (taxman at Killunaig) (1724) and the great-great-grandfather Alexander (1699 Beluich). Since we all are trying to help, perhaps something new above will, from Ida or Ian or Linda, strike a note that can help us all. Finally, I have in my possession the transcription of a letter written in 1849 and in it it says "i did not see Angus McLean, Sandy's Brother but they are well... They are about 60 miles from here". The letter is written from Vaughan and in my deduction it definitely refers to your Angus, Dana. Not much help in giving a brother named Alexander but perhaps we all can solve the jig-saw puzzle together. All the best. Elizabeth.

Dear Kym, My Flora McKinnon Beaton was married to Alexander Beaton of Pennyghael and Torranachtrach on Mull and VaughanTwp., York County in Upper Canada. (see OPR for marriage and birth of first child). All the best. Elizabeth. > From: kymlawrence@rogers.com > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 14:46:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mariposa Problems Again > > Who was your Flora Beaton married to? > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth mcdonald > Sent: November-23-13 1:03 PM > To: isle of mull roots > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mariposa Problems Again > > Dear Dana, > Your problem is familiar to me. Mariposa info is hard to find for > five reasons: > a) the 1851 census for Mariposa has been lost in time (same for > Scarborough and Erin in 1851, two other townships I research) > b) of the two-dozen-odd volumes of Historic Atlases created for > counties in Ontario in the 1870's and 1880's, none was done for Victoria > County in which Mariposa resides - a minor tragedy > c) the Presbyterian Church at Sonya, is on the Brock Township, > Ontario County side of the township line, as is the cemetery, and folk > attended from both townships in the two different counties. The church is > now closed and I was told by the Presbyterian Church of Canada Archives in > Toronto that the church's records have not survived. (I did this research > about 10 years ago - my grandmother's baptism there is thus lost) > d) requests for help from the Port Perry newspaper were to no > avail though I have not repeated the request lately (nor have I put in a > paid advertisement) > e) in spending a full day at the Whitby Public Library and then > another full day at the Lindsay Public Library some four years ago, I found > very very few cemeteries have been catalogued in Victoria County. Seems to > me, if I remember correctly, it was only about 3-4. Also in Lindsay I > spent time at the Registry Office - helpful for sequential ownership of > farms (my McDougalls and Beatons and the McKinnons) and neighbours but no > breakthroughs on genealogy. > > Compared to other counties Victoria just has so little. Elaine's > suggestion of histories or Women's Institute Archives could help or the slow > task of reading archival local newpapers or deaths post-1869 at the RGO. > > All the above are downers, Dana. Sorry. I will try to check my > McKinnon binders to see if I can help you re the folk in Mariposa: a > gggrandmother, Flora McKinnon Beaton, returned from Vaughan Township, York > County to Mariposa as a widow, in the 1870's, but I have yet to be able to > determine with cross-references which McKinnons in Mariposa were her > siblings. > > All the best. > Elizabeth Wood McDonald, > Sarnia, Ontario. > > > > From: elainer@cogeco.ca > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:12:54 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi > > During that period there was no county system of record keeping for > > Vital Stats. Instead the province was divided into Districts and a > > marriage would likely be recorded in either the Home District or the > > Newcastle District as Mariposa is close to the border. There are > > several volumes to the Home District. As with most early records they > > are far from complete but they have been transcribed and are in most > > larger libraries in Ontario. The information is usually quite limited > > and seldom gives parents names or birthplace. The most complete records > are usually found in church records. > > However, a large number of township histories have been written and > > quite a few have wonderful family histories. I suggest trying to > > locate one on Mariposa. I would also suggest contacting the branch if > > the Ontario Historical Society for that area. > > > > Elaine Robinson > > Georgetown Ontario > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana & Ryan > > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:07 AM > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Angus MacLean > > > > Hi Ida, > > All the information I have says that Flora was from Mull but I don't > > have any record for it. I have this from the paper in Duluth, MN: > > Date: Friday, April 16, 1920 Paper: Duluth News-Tribune (Duluth, MN) > > Volume: 51 Issue: 335 Page: 4 > > > > "MRS. D. MCLEAN BORN 1830 DIED APRIL 14 1920 > > > > Duluthians learned yesterday of the death of Mrs. Duncan McLean, age > > 90, formerly of Duluth, at Carmangay, Alberta. Mrs. McLean lived in > > Duluth for > > 20 years. She moved to Alberta in 1908 with her daughter Mrs. R.R. > > Knox, with whom she was living at the time of her death, which occured > Wednesday. > > Mrs. McLean is survived by four sons, Hector, Angus and J.C. of Duluth > > and Duncan, who lives in Toronto and two daughters, Mrs. David > > McCarter of Saskatchewan and Miss Julia of Alberta, besides Mrs. Knox. > > The body will be brought to Duluth for internment." > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Elizabeth, I have a few questions. What was a taxman? I have a brother for Angus, son of Hector, named Alexander b. 18 May 1800 in Kilninian. He married a Christina McEachern on 8 August 1832 in Kilfinichen and Kilvickinen. The letter you have is so great! Who would Sandy be? Thanks, Dana On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, elizabeth mcdonald <moshi94@hotmail.com>wrote: > Dear Dana, > You are hoping to find the parents of your Angus McLean born in > 1792. You note that your Angus McLean was the miller at Killunaig before > emigrating with wife and family to Mariposa in 1833. > > Looking at the Duke of Argyll's 1779 census the miller of > Killunaig in 1779 was a Hugh McLean aged 40 (b. 1739). Also in Killunaig > in 1779 is an Alex. McLean taxman, aged 55, with son Hector aged 5 and an > Angus McLean aged 40. Those three are the only adult males listed in > Killunaig in 1779. > > It appears both Angus the miller and Hugh were bachelors at the > age of 40 as no wife nor children are listed with either man. I would > doubt they would marry at this point in their lives. Conversely, at > Torrenbeg (Estate) which sits directly back of Killunaig which is on the > water, are John, 22, taxman and Charles his brother 14 and Neil a herder. > My supposition is that all three are older sons of Alex, taxman of > Killunaig, who set his eldest son up as taxman in Torrenbeg. > There is also another Charles in Torrenbeg aged 20. > > Lastly in 1779 there is an Alexander McLean, aged 80, (b 1699) at > Beluich just close by. > > So my input re your ancestors of Angus McLean is, as supposition, > - your Duncan, father Angus (1792), then grandfather Hector, (1774) then > great-grandfather Alexander (taxman at Killunaig) (1724) and the > great-great-grandfather Alexander (1699 Beluich). > > Since we all are trying to help, perhaps something new above will, > from Ida or Ian or Linda, strike a note that can help us all. > > Finally, I have in my possession the transcription of a letter > written in 1849 and in it it says "i did not see Angus McLean, Sandy's > Brother but they are well... They are about 60 miles from here". The > letter is written from Vaughan and in my deduction it definitely refers to > your Angus, Dana. Not much help in giving a brother named Alexander but > perhaps we all can solve the jig-saw puzzle together. > > All the best. > Elizabeth. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Elizabeth, Wow I am humbled by all the information and great help! I have so much to learn in genealogy research but it it wonderful to have such great teachers! Dana On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:30 AM, elizabeth mcdonald <moshi94@hotmail.com>wrote: > Dear Dana, > You are hoping to find the parents of your Angus McLean born in > 1792. You note that your Angus McLean was the miller at Killunaig before > emigrating with wife and family to Mariposa in 1833. > > Looking at the Duke of Argyll's 1779 census the miller of > Killunaig in 1779 was a Hugh McLean aged 40 (b. 1739). Also in Killunaig > in 1779 is an Alex. McLean taxman, aged 55, with son Hector aged 5 and an > Angus McLean aged 40. Those three are the only adult males listed in > Killunaig in 1779. > > It appears both Angus the miller and Hugh were bachelors at the > age of 40 as no wife nor children are listed with either man. I would > doubt they would marry at this point in their lives. Conversely, at > Torrenbeg (Estate) which sits directly back of Killunaig which is on the > water, are John, 22, taxman and Charles his brother 14 and Neil a herder. > My supposition is that all three are older sons of Alex, taxman of > Killunaig, who set his eldest son up as taxman in Torrenbeg. > There is also another Charles in Torrenbeg aged 20. > > Lastly in 1779 there is an Alexander McLean, aged 80, (b 1699) at > Beluich just close by. > > So my input re your ancestors of Angus McLean is, as supposition, > - your Duncan, father Angus (1792), then grandfather Hector, (1774) then > great-grandfather Alexander (taxman at Killunaig) (1724) and the > great-great-grandfather Alexander (1699 Beluich). > > Since we all are trying to help, perhaps something new above will, > from Ida or Ian or Linda, strike a note that can help us all. > > Finally, I have in my possession the transcription of a letter > written in 1849 and in it it says "i did not see Angus McLean, Sandy's > Brother but they are well... They are about 60 miles from here". The > letter is written from Vaughan and in my deduction it definitely refers to > your Angus, Dana. Not much help in giving a brother named Alexander but > perhaps we all can solve the jig-saw puzzle together. > > All the best. > Elizabeth. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Everyone talks about 'The Duke of Argyll' as if he is just one man. During the 1800's there were at least 4 dukes and they all did differnt things and had various things to contend with. One Duke was the Governor General of Canada and the newspaper articles of the time don't seem to indicate that he was in any way unpopular over there. Jan Peasnell On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Lachie Macquarie <lachiedamn@gmail.com>wrote: > Tartan and spelling, what about kirking the tartan? > > My faither told me how bad the DoA was, how he diddled my GGrandfather out > of a farm but I have seen some of my GGF's letters and I think the DoA was > right. At least the Doctor that got the property liked a dram and at the > end of his tenure, the Tiristeach put a statue up to him! > > > On 23 November 2013 23:17, JACQUELINEARCHIBALD <yedida@eastlink.ca> wrote: > > > My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to > McCarten > > and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples > > choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As > for > > changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say > > what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a > good > > reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by > > anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient > > identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a > > very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear > > many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. > > Jacqueline[ > > > > On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought > > that in looking at these names, it is important not > > > > > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially > > non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not > a > > family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in > > Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be > > given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking > > context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is > > actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual > > historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather > than > > necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, > > although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > > > Best wishes > > > James > > > > > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in > > Ireland. If this were > > > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull > > many years ago. > > > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and > > others using Mc are > > > > recorded in your records. > > > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' > > and > > > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and > I > > guess > > > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read > > and write > > > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I > guess > > this > > > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > > Sláinte, > > Lachaidh > *Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein loma-làn easgannan?* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Les. Makes the mind boggle to think of all the new sights they would have seen while just getting to the point of departure -even before heading off to a strange new country! > On 24 Nov 2013, at 10:00 pm, Les Horn <Leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > Joy asked > >> Do you still think they would have travelled from Kintra by water to get there? > > I can but reiterate my reply to EliZabeth who asked: > > "I too have wondered how they would have travelled from Mull to Liverpool. Also, my McDONALD family from Skye was also on that ship, so they had travelled even further." > > There were regular sailings between the Clyde and the west coast ports/islands of Scotland. Originally by David Hutcheson then his son-in-law David MacBrayne. Whilst the Caledonian Steam Packet Co. and its predecessors, ran the steamers in the Clyde and, amongst others, down to England. It's the merger of these two companies which form today's CalMac. > > The earliest railways in Scotland and England were unconnected. Before the Caledonian Railway, the quickest journey between Glasgow and London would have been Glasgow to Liverpool by sea and then Liverpool to London by train. From March 1841 it was possible to catch the train between Glasgow and Greenock, then travel between Greenock and Liverpool by sea; (and then to London by train) > > They would have travelled from London to Gravesend by train. > > Hope this helps > Regards > Les > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tartan and spelling, what about kirking the tartan? My faither told me how bad the DoA was, how he diddled my GGrandfather out of a farm but I have seen some of my GGF's letters and I think the DoA was right. At least the Doctor that got the property liked a dram and at the end of his tenure, the Tiristeach put a statue up to him! On 23 November 2013 23:17, JACQUELINEARCHIBALD <yedida@eastlink.ca> wrote: > My family name in Ireland away back was M'Carten, then changed to McCarten > and later to <Mac if non catholic or Mc if catholic. [by some peoples > choice] My Scottish ones always seem to be Mc even to this day. As for > changing the tartan, I don' think the Duke of Argyle should have any say > what so ever in changing the tartan. The tartan was originally for a good > reason to identify clans and should never be allowed to be changed by > anyone, parliament, dukes of whatever or anyone else. These are ancient > identities and should always remain the same. This tartan business is a > very sore spot with many people and living in an old Scottish area I hear > many complaints as to why anyone would wish to change it. > Jacqueline[ > > On 11/22/13, James Beaton <james_beaton18@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Before Ian replies to this, I would just like to throw in the thought > that in looking at these names, it is important not > > > o place too much reliance on the orthographic practices of potentially > non Gaelic speaking second parties, as a means of tracing whether or not a > family has an Irish origin. My own view is that Mc having an origin in > Ireland is not correct, but at the same time, consideration needs to be > given to what "Ireland" means culturally in a Highland Gaelic speaking > context, particularly in what might loosely be termed folklore, which is > actually about transmitting how things came to be, rather than actual > historical fact. This relates (in my view) to cultural origins rather than > necessarily specifically to an actual ancestor/family origin in Ireland, > although of course this is possible. Care is needed all round! > > Best wishes > > James > > > > > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 12:17:05 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > It is often said, probably quite wrongly that Mc has an origin in > Ireland. If this were > > > true, I believe it is known that people from Ireland settled in Mull > many years ago. > > > I would be interested to know how those with families using Mac and > others using Mc are > > > recorded in your records. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ian Phillips" <mullgenealogy@gmail.com> > > > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Duke of argyll > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > For what its worth I tend to agree with James. > > > > > > > > If you look at the census records some areas where recorded as 'Mc' > and > > > > other areas 'Mac'. What I'm not sure off is why when children (and I > guess > > > > that in most cases it would have been children who learnt to read > and write > > > > first in a family) started to write they used 'Mc' or 'Mac'. I guess > this > > > > could have been down to the teacher. Just a thought. > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > > http://www.avast.com(http://www.avast.com/) > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sláinte, Lachaidh *Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein loma-làn easgannan?*

Hi Ian, I somehow got mixed up with my ancestors and it turns out you can cross *Plymouth* off your list as a departure place. My McInnes family actually left _*Gravesend*_ on the 14th September 1848 aboard the Maitland to sail to Australia. I am so sorry for the confusion. Do you still think they would have travelled from Kintra by water to get there? Kindest regards Joy