Thanks for responding. I only have a name on the death certificate of his wife who was Elspeth INNES born about 1812, Banffshire, died Salen 1882, daughter of John INNES and Isabella who kept the Inn at Salen. The problem of course is that he could have been older than Elspeth and his date of birth would be any one's guess. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Archibald" <yedida@eastlink.ca> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or JanePaul Lots of Livingston/es from Lettermore, Isle of Mull but no Donald, do you know who his father was? Jacqueline body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Maybe I got it wrong Michael,I'll have to check..anyway it's the Catherine Livingston /John McColl that I'm interested in.ThanksFrank > From: mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:38:16 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or JanePaul > > Frank > > > I looked at that family and left it open pending your reply (same parents > for John born about 1806/7 Morven : Duncan/Cath McKay) > > Now, I have their son John born/bap 1831 Torosay (not 1841) who marries > Catherine Livingston 1863 Paisley. > > Catherine's parents Alexander/Marion MCINNES (I suppose it could be Innes) > > Only conflict is John's birth year : 1831 or 1841 > > > Michael > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Mcgonigal" <frank017@sympatico.ca> > To: "MULL" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or > JanePaul > > > > John McColl was born on Morvern 1806,although his parents were Duncan > > McColl and Catherine McKay from Mull.John McColl married Mary Campbell > > from the Isle of Lismore. > > 5. JOHN3 MCCOLL (JOHN2, DUNCAN1) was born 1840. He married CATHERINE > > LIVINGSTON. She was born 1841. Child of JOHN MCCOLL and CATHERINE > > LIVINGSTON is:14. i. ALEXANDER4 MCCOLL, b. 1867. > > Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >> From: mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com > >> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:15:45 +0000 > >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean > >> or JanePaul > >> > >> Frank > >> > >> > >> There appears to be numerous couples named John McColl/Mary Campbell. > >> > >> Your John born 1840 East Kilbride ? > >> > >> Were his parents married 1839 Kilchrenan and Dalavich ? > >> > >> I think you meant John married Catherine Livingston (mother Marion Innes) > >> ? > >> > >> Is there a Mull connection ? > >> > >> > >> Michael > >> www.mullfamilies.co.uk > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Frank Mcgonigal" <frank017@sympatico.ca> > >> To: "MULL" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:04 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean > >> or > >> JanePaul > >> > >> > >> > Seeing both Livingston and Innes posted I'd like to ask if anyone is > >> > connected to these two. > >> > John McColl born 1840 and Marion Innes b.1841 who married 1863 in > >> > Paisley > >> > Scotland. > >> > John McColls parents were John McColl and Mary Campbell..my > >> > gr.gr.grandparents. > >> > Marion Innes parents were Alexander Livingston and Marion Innes. > >> > ThanksFrank McGonigal Ont.Canada > >> > > >> >> ----- Original Message -----

John McColl was born on Morvern 1806,although his parents were Duncan McColl and Catherine McKay from Mull.John McColl married Mary Campbell from the Isle of Lismore. 5. JOHN3 MCCOLL (JOHN2, DUNCAN1) was born 1840. He married CATHERINE LIVINGSTON. She was born 1841. Child of JOHN MCCOLL and CATHERINE LIVINGSTON is:14. i. ALEXANDER4 MCCOLL, b. 1867. Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~ > From: mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 22:15:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or JanePaul > > Frank > > > There appears to be numerous couples named John McColl/Mary Campbell. > > Your John born 1840 East Kilbride ? > > Were his parents married 1839 Kilchrenan and Dalavich ? > > I think you meant John married Catherine Livingston (mother Marion Innes) ? > > Is there a Mull connection ? > > > Michael > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Mcgonigal" <frank017@sympatico.ca> > To: "MULL" <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or > JanePaul > > > > Seeing both Livingston and Innes posted I'd like to ask if anyone is > > connected to these two. > > John McColl born 1840 and Marion Innes b.1841 who married 1863 in Paisley > > Scotland. > > John McColls parents were John McColl and Mary Campbell..my > > gr.gr.grandparents. > > Marion Innes parents were Alexander Livingston and Marion Innes. > > ThanksFrank McGonigal Ont.Canada > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jacqueline Archibald" <yedida@eastlink.ca> > >> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:13 PM > >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean > >> or > >> JanePaul > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seeing both Livingston and Innes posted I'd like to ask if anyone is connected to these two. John McColl born 1840 and Marion Innes b.1841 who married 1863 in Paisley Scotland. John McColls parents were John McColl and Mary Campbell..my gr.gr.grandparents. Marion Innes parents were Alexander Livingston and Marion Innes. ThanksFrank McGonigal Ont.Canada > From: cilurnum@googlemail.com > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:00:16 +0000 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or JanePaul > > Thanks for responding. I only have a name on the death certificate of his wife > who was Elspeth INNES born about 1812, Banffshire, died Salen 1882, daughter of > John INNES and Isabella who kept the Inn at Salen. The problem of course is > that he could have been older than Elspeth and his date of birth would be any > one's guess. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacqueline Archibald" <yedida@eastlink.ca> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or > JanePaul > > > Lots of Livingston/es from Lettermore, Isle of Mull but no Donald, do you > know who his father was? > Jacqueline > > body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I have a Donald livingston(e) but I don't think it is the same family to yours Occupation Farmer Mull Argyll Scotland married a Catherine McInnes had a daughter Janet Livingston(e) born about 1798 at Morven Argyll, Scotland died at Tobermory Argyll Scotland Jan On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Jacqueline Archibald <yedida@eastlink.ca>wrote: > Lots of Livingston/es from Lettermore, Isle of Mull but no Donald, do you > know who his father was? > Jacqueline > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:54 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or > JanePaul > > > > Does any one have a Donald LIVINGSTON(E) in their families? > > I have nothing else on him, other than he married about 1836 and > > presumably died > > at a young age. > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 1:08 AM > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > > > Hi Ian > > I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on > > ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret > > Livingstone!???? > > > > In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I > > mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. > I > > had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL > > sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James > > McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. > > The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - > > > > JAMES: > > FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. > > Name:James Mcdougall > > Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , > > Age: 45 > > Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia Page Number:185 Volume > > Number:3 > > Estimated birth year: abt 1811 > > > > DEATH NOTICE> > > Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: > > ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, > > L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 > > Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in > > this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. > > > > Jean Marries again after 1856 > > So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. > > ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, > > Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of > > Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. > > > > This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show > > a > > parent for James or Jean/Jane Their first recorded son was John Alexander > > b > > 1840 > > > > Tricia > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips > > Sent: 24 March 2014 09:44 > > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > > > Many thanks to all who supplied information. > > > > I was hoping that someone might have their parents. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Ian > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jean Perhaps if you asked me (the original poster), you might have got the necessary reply. It doesn't take too much effort to work out which Catherine McCallum this is, and it's just one of the many things I do day after day, 12 hours/day. If you let me know your McCallums, I'll be able to say if Catherine belongs. Mull Families has this Catherine, parents, grandparents and G-grandparents http://www.mullfamilies.co.uk/pedigree.php?personID=I9221&tree=MF Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Census Error > Ian, > Now you are making me wonder is that Catherine MacCallum linked to my > MacCallums at all? jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 9:36 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Census Error > > Well. At least they got it correct in 1911. > > Just shows yet again how unreliable census and other records are. > > Ian > > > On 24 March 2014 19:30, MANOFMULL <mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com> wrote: > >> A little heads-up regarding the following Census entry from >> Mullgenealogy. >> This is NOT a transcription error, but at present a mystery as to why >> John's wife is given as Sarah. (John's age is also understated) >> >> 1901 Kilninian & Kilmore District No : 7 Page No : 2 House No : 6 >> Locality : Shepherds House 19013112 >> McDonald John 40 Head Shepherd Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McDonald Sarah 43 Wife Shepherd's wife Argyll Kilninian and > Kilmore >> McDonald John 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McDonald Maggie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McDonald Annie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McDonald Neil 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> >> I've checked the original image, and as clear as day, John's wife is > Sarah. >> >> However, to save any researcher possible hours of heartache (and no >> doubt headache), the ACTUAL wife's name should be Catherine, as in >> Catherine McCallum. >> >> The three youngest children all aged 5 are triplets !! >> >> Exactly seven days later, McLean twins would be born in the same >> parish. A touch ironic methinks :) >> >> >> Michael >> www.mullfamilies.co.uk >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lots of Livingston/es from Lettermore, Isle of Mull but no Donald, do you know who his father was? Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <cilurnum@googlemail.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:54 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] LIVINGSTON(E) Re: James McDougall and Jean or JanePaul > Does any one have a Donald LIVINGSTON(E) in their families? > I have nothing else on him, other than he married about 1836 and > presumably died > at a young age. > > Janet > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 1:08 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > Hi Ian > I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on > ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret > Livingstone!???? > > In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I > mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. I > had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL > sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James > McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. > The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - > > JAMES: > FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. > Name:James Mcdougall > Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , > Age: 45 > Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia Page Number:185 Volume > Number:3 > Estimated birth year: abt 1811 > > DEATH NOTICE> > Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: > ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, > L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 > Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in > this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. > > Jean Marries again after 1856 > So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. > ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, > Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of > Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. > > This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show > a > parent for James or Jean/Jane Their first recorded son was John Alexander > b > 1840 > > Tricia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips > Sent: 24 March 2014 09:44 > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > Many thanks to all who supplied information. > > I was hoping that someone might have their parents. > > Best regards, > > Ian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jean, Trust all is well with you. Sorry if the posting has set the cat amongst the pigeons. If it helps here is the 1911 census record :- 1911 Kilninian & KilmoreDistrict : 7 Page No : 1 House No : 6 Locality : Kilninian191131170<http://localhost/mull_census.asp?prop_ref=190131120*> MacDonaldJohn54 Head ShepherdArgyll, Kilninian<http://localhost/mull_census.asp?prop_ref=190131120*> MacDonaldCatherine53 Wife Argyll, Kilninian<http://localhost/mull_census.asp?prop_ref=190131120*> MacDonaldAnn15 Daur SchoolArgyll, Kilninian<http://localhost/mull_census.asp?prop_ref=190131120*> MacDonaldMaggie15 Daur Argyll, Kilninian Best regards, Ian On 25 March 2014 11:50, Jean Whimp <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Ian, > Now you are making me wonder is that Catherine MacCallum linked to my > MacCallums at all? jean > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 9:36 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Census Error > > Well. At least they got it correct in 1911. > > Just shows yet again how unreliable census and other records are. > > Ian > > > On 24 March 2014 19:30, MANOFMULL <mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com> wrote: > > > A little heads-up regarding the following Census entry from > Mullgenealogy. > > This is NOT a transcription error, but at present a mystery as to why > > John's wife is given as Sarah. (John's age is also understated) > > > > 1901 Kilninian & Kilmore District No : 7 Page No : 2 House No : 6 > > Locality : Shepherds House 19013112 > > McDonald John 40 Head Shepherd Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McDonald Sarah 43 Wife Shepherd's wife Argyll Kilninian and > Kilmore > > McDonald John 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McDonald Maggie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McDonald Annie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McDonald Neil 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > > > I've checked the original image, and as clear as day, John's wife is > Sarah. > > > > However, to save any researcher possible hours of heartache (and no > > doubt headache), the ACTUAL wife's name should be Catherine, as in > > Catherine McCallum. > > > > The three youngest children all aged 5 are triplets !! > > > > Exactly seven days later, McLean twins would be born in the same > > parish. A touch ironic methinks :) > > > > > > Michael > > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well. At least they got it correct in 1911. Just shows yet again how unreliable census and other records are. Ian On 24 March 2014 19:30, MANOFMULL <mullman@mullfamilies.plus.com> wrote: > A little heads-up regarding the following Census entry from Mullgenealogy. > This is NOT a transcription error, but at present a mystery as to why > John's wife is given as Sarah. (John's age is also understated) > > 1901 Kilninian & Kilmore District No : 7 Page No : 2 House No : 6 > Locality : Shepherds House 19013112 > McDonald John 40 Head Shepherd Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McDonald Sarah 43 Wife Shepherd's wife Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McDonald John 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McDonald Maggie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McDonald Annie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McDonald Neil 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > I've checked the original image, and as clear as day, John's wife is Sarah. > > However, to save any researcher possible hours of heartache (and no doubt > headache), the ACTUAL wife's name should be Catherine, as in Catherine > McCallum. > > The three youngest children all aged 5 are triplets !! > > Exactly seven days later, McLean twins would be born in the same parish. A > touch ironic methinks :) > > > Michael > www.mullfamilies.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Note SA death records do not show parents - just the name of the person registering the death. SA Record marriage Groom William Rollings Bride Jane McDougal Date 17 Dec 1872 Groom age 70 widower Grooms father Nathaniel ROLLINGS Brides ages 62 , widow Bride's father John Paul Place BC Chapel Springfield District of Gilbert Book/page 93/679 -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 1:08 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Hi Ian I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret Livingstone!???? In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. I had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - JAMES: FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. Name:James Mcdougall Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , Age: 45 Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia Page Number:185 Volume Number:3 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 DEATH NOTICE> Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. Jean Marries again after 1856 So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show a parent for James or Jean/Jane Their first recorded son was John Alexander b 1840 Tricia -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: 24 March 2014 09:44 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Many thanks to all who supplied information. I was hoping that someone might have their parents. Best regards, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Michael. I'll look for children now >From SA births 1842-1906 Jane Mary Ann MCDOUGALL born to James McDougall and Jane PARR Birth place/ residence Wiltshire Surrey Birth registered Adelaide South Australia, Ref:Book 2 no 65 I think they may have misunderstood that it was asking for the mothers place of birth rather than the child!!! This is the only birth to this family in SA , hope this helps. Jean -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of MANOFMULL Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 6:46 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Jill / Jean Tricia pointed out that James/Jean were married before they emigrated : 20 May 1838 Marriage Place: Glasgow/Lanark Jean Paul ... James McDougall James McDougal/MacDougall/McDougall/Dougald aged 29 and Jean Paul / Parr aged 27 (no children at time of emigration) : both Applic 3716 http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1839SirCharlesForbes.htm Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Dakin" <jedakin@bigpond.net.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > And I checked the NSW BDM with no success either so possibly Victoria? > Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Whimp > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:09 PM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > I have checked all the marriages 1842 to 1915 and there is no marriage > listed in South Australia for a female surname Paul or Paull to James > McDougall. Suggest he may well have gone on to Melbourne (Victoria) or > Sydney (NSW). Sometimes they got off the ship in Adelaide but travelled > on > to Victoria quite soon afterwards because of the gold. However there are > 9 > marriages for a James McDougall in South Australia (1842-1916) so perhaps > he > married someone else first....or he married before 1842. My GT Uncle got > off the ship in SAust, but immediately travelled overland to Victoria > ...another relative even walked to Bendigo, made his money with gold and > came back to settle and build a church at cockatoo Valley SA and grow a > family in South Australia. > Jean whimp > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips > Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 4:36 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > > Hi, > > I have just come across a record of a James McDougall born 1810 Isle of > Mull > who arrived in South Australia 7th June1839 aboard *Sir Charles > Forbes*from > Liverpool. He later married a Jean or Jane Paul. > > There are several possible matches for James on the MullGenealogy > database. > Just hoping that someone in Australia might be able to pin him down. > > Best regards, > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one have a Donald LIVINGSTON(E) in their families? I have nothing else on him, other than he married about 1836 and presumably died at a young age. Janet -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 1:08 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Hi Ian I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret Livingstone!???? In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. I had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - JAMES: FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. Name:James Mcdougall Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , Age: 45 Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia Page Number:185 Volume Number:3 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 DEATH NOTICE> Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. Jean Marries again after 1856 So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show a parent for James or Jean/Jane Their first recorded son was John Alexander b 1840 Tricia -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: 24 March 2014 09:44 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Many thanks to all who supplied information. I was hoping that someone might have their parents. Best regards, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Here's a very handy map outlining not just Mull, but the whole of Argyllshire parish boundaries, with Census ID numbers http://www.lochaberandnorthargyllfamilyhistorygroup.org.uk/id70.html Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

Jean I was looking at this birth/bap earlier, so maybe correct ? father: John Paul mother: Elisabeth Ingles Name Jean Paul Gender Female Christening Date 20 Aug 1809 Christening Place , CAMBUSLANG, LANARK, SCOTLAND Birth Date 13 Aug 1809 Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > Note SA death records do not show parents - just the name of the person > registering the death. > > SA Record marriage > Groom William Rollings > Bride Jane McDougal > Date 17 Dec 1872 > Groom age 70 widower > Grooms father Nathaniel ROLLINGS > Brides ages 62 , widow > Bride's father John Paul > Place BC Chapel Springfield District of Gilbert > Book/page 93/679 > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett > Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 1:08 AM > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul >

A little heads-up regarding the following Census entry from Mullgenealogy. This is NOT a transcription error, but at present a mystery as to why John's wife is given as Sarah. (John's age is also understated) 1901 Kilninian & Kilmore District No : 7 Page No : 2 House No : 6 Locality : Shepherds House 19013112 McDonald John 40 Head Shepherd Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McDonald Sarah 43 Wife Shepherd's wife Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McDonald John 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McDonald Maggie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McDonald Annie 5 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McDonald Neil 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore I've checked the original image, and as clear as day, John's wife is Sarah. However, to save any researcher possible hours of heartache (and no doubt headache), the ACTUAL wife's name should be Catherine, as in Catherine McCallum. The three youngest children all aged 5 are triplets !! Exactly seven days later, McLean twins would be born in the same parish. A touch ironic methinks :) Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk

And I checked the NSW BDM with no success either so possibly Victoria? Jill -----Original Message----- From: Jean Whimp Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:09 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul I have checked all the marriages 1842 to 1915 and there is no marriage listed in South Australia for a female surname Paul or Paull to James McDougall. Suggest he may well have gone on to Melbourne (Victoria) or Sydney (NSW). Sometimes they got off the ship in Adelaide but travelled on to Victoria quite soon afterwards because of the gold. However there are 9 marriages for a James McDougall in South Australia (1842-1916) so perhaps he married someone else first....or he married before 1842. My GT Uncle got off the ship in SAust, but immediately travelled overland to Victoria ...another relative even walked to Bendigo, made his money with gold and came back to settle and build a church at cockatoo Valley SA and grow a family in South Australia. Jean whimp -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 4:36 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Hi, I have just come across a record of a James McDougall born 1810 Isle of Mull who arrived in South Australia 7th June1839 aboard *Sir Charles Forbes*from Liverpool. He later married a Jean or Jane Paul. There are several possible matches for James on the MullGenealogy database. Just hoping that someone in Australia might be able to pin him down. Best regards, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tricia I found that report of Jean's death on Trove here (you probably did too) http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44561255?searchTerm=&searchLimits=l-publictag=ROLLINGS+Jean+formerly+McDOUGALL+nee+PAUL+-+DEATH Perhaps someone can come up with a Census record that shows James as being from Mull. Call me a sceptic, but I'm not convinced as yet Michael www.mullfamilies.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Barnett" <tricia.barnett@btinternet.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul > Hi Ian > I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on > ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret > Livingstone!???? > > In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I > mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. I > had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL > sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James > McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. > The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - > > JAMES: > FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. > Name:James Mcdougall > Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , > Age: 45 > Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia > Page Number:185 > Volume Number:3 > Estimated birth year: abt 1811 > > DEATH NOTICE> > Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: > ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, > L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 > Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in > this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. > > Jean Marries again after 1856 > So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. > ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, > Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of > Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. > > This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show > a > parent for James or Jean/Jane > Their first recorded son was John Alexander b 1840 > > Tricia > >

I have checked all the marriages 1842 to 1915 and there is no marriage listed in South Australia for a female surname Paul or Paull to James McDougall. Suggest he may well have gone on to Melbourne (Victoria) or Sydney (NSW). Sometimes they got off the ship in Adelaide but travelled on to Victoria quite soon afterwards because of the gold. However there are 9 marriages for a James McDougall in South Australia (1842-1916) so perhaps he married someone else first....or he married before 1842. My GT Uncle got off the ship in SAust, but immediately travelled overland to Victoria ...another relative even walked to Bendigo, made his money with gold and came back to settle and build a church at cockatoo Valley SA and grow a family in South Australia. Jean whimp -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 4:36 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Hi, I have just come across a record of a James McDougall born 1810 Isle of Mull who arrived in South Australia 7th June1839 aboard *Sir Charles Forbes*from Liverpool. He later married a Jean or Jane Paul. There are several possible matches for James on the MullGenealogy database. Just hoping that someone in Australia might be able to pin him down. Best regards, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian I was hoping someone would have info also. Several folks have him on ancestry with a father Dugald and one has a mother Margaret Livingstone!???? In my origin reply giving the Marriage for James and Jean/Jane in 1838 I mentioned I was looking for Archibald MacDougall and Mary Paul m 1841. I had wondered if Arch and James could have been related and married PAUL sisters - not been able to prove. The 1838 marriage just shows James McDougall a Spirit Dealer and Jean Paul both residing Glasgow. The 1841 marriage of Archibald shows him as a Merchant - JAMES: FACTS: Death in Aus: . His MI also available inc Jean. Name:James Mcdougall Death Date:17 Feb 1856 , Age: 45 Registration Place:Adelaide, South Australia Page Number:185 Volume Number:3 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 DEATH NOTICE> Death South Aus Weekly Chronicle of 26 Jun 1886: ROLLINGS - On the 20th June at Springfield Marrabel, Jean mother of J.A, L.A., A., abd D.' McDougall, aged 77 years, leaving 8 children, 50 Grandchildren, and 5 great grandchildren to mourn their loss. Arrive in this colony 1839 by ship Sir Charles Forbes. Jean Marries again after 1856 So then the Marriage: Dec 1872. ROLLINGS-McDOUGAL.-On the 17th December, at the Bible Christian Chapel, Springfield, by the Rev. W. Richards, William Rollings, Esq., of Springfield, to Mrs. Jane McDougal, of Tothill's Creek. This may help someone a bit further with any Aus records which would show a parent for James or Jean/Jane Their first recorded son was John Alexander b 1840 Tricia -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: 24 March 2014 09:44 To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Many thanks to all who supplied information. I was hoping that someone might have their parents. Best regards, Ian

In addition, some have also left Australia and made their way to either of the New Zealand islands. You will find our New Zealand Listers very helpful if that is your course of enquiry. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Whimp" <jiwhimp@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul I have checked all the marriages 1842 to 1915 and there is no marriage listed in South Australia for a female surname Paul or Paull to James McDougall. Suggest he may well have gone on to Melbourne (Victoria) or Sydney (NSW). Sometimes they got off the ship in Adelaide but travelled on to Victoria quite soon afterwards because of the gold. However there are 9 marriages for a James McDougall in South Australia (1842-1916) so perhaps he married someone else first....or he married before 1842. My GT Uncle got off the ship in SAust, but immediately travelled overland to Victoria ...another relative even walked to Bendigo, made his money with gold and came back to settle and build a church at cockatoo Valley SA and grow a family in South Australia. Jean whimp -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 4:36 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] James McDougall and Jean or Jane Paul Hi, I have just come across a record of a James McDougall born 1810 Isle of Mull who arrived in South Australia 7th June1839 aboard *Sir Charles Forbes*from Liverpool. He later married a Jean or Jane Paul. There are several possible matches for James on the MullGenealogy database. Just hoping that someone in Australia might be able to pin him down. Best regards, Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com