Hi Tricia, The Niel MacLucas I have was on Ulva in 1841. He married Catherine McDonald in 1844 and they eventually went to Canada. This Niel is buried at Rocky Saugeen Cemetery, Grey County. He died Aug 12 1880, aged 80 years as Neil McDougall, regards, helen. >From: Tricia Barnett <tricia.barnett@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougall McLullich Torosay Kinlochspelvie >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:19:57 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi Helen. > Is you Neil from the Torosay Kinlochspelvie areas? > I don't know about the different names - I can only inmagine way back >the the written ro spoken word was wrong. Mine was McLullich c1800 then >in later records McDougall or MacDougall. > > Tricia > >Helen Danes <hmdanes@hotmail.com> wrote: > I > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Shop ‘til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/

Hi Helen. Is you Neil from the Torosay Kinlochspelvie areas? I don't know about the different names - I can only inmagine way back the the written ro spoken word was wrong. Mine was McLullich c1800 then in later records McDougall or MacDougall. Tricia Helen Danes <hmdanes@hotmail.com> wrote: I

I have a Neil McDougall who was McLucas and McLugas at various times. When and why did they change the name to MacDougall? Helen Danes >From: Tricia Barnett <tricia.barnett@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougall McLullich Torosay Kinlochspelvie >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:11:25 +0000 (GMT) > > was looking for Neil(Niel) McDougall and Henrietta(Effie) McPhail late >1700s in Torosay taken from Birth place and census of their son Duncan >McDougall bc 1802 -5 who moved to Laggan in Invernessshire > I then found that they were recorded as McLullich for the births of >Duncan and siblings in Torosay. This was however MacDougall in next >generations. > > I think there is a possiblity that this is a brother of Neil above and >again his children were both McLullich and MacDougall > 06/05/1811 MCLULLICH ARCHIBALD LILLY MCKILLOP/ M Torosay and > > Kinlochspelvie /ARGYLL > > I also may have links to another McDougall line from Strachur and >Stralachlan, Argfyll > > Early days in my searching - I have been gathering as many MacDougall >etc > > Tricia > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming

Hi David Thanks for this posting. I see your missing Nelly McKinnon chrst Jun 28 1827 in Torosay 7018007, 17 from your listing. In case Ian is adding it to the db. ;-) later Ida Dave wrote: > >Neil McKinnon born abt 1800 Torosay married Ann Colqhoun b 1806 Pennygowan D >1875 Morvern on 30/5/1821 in Torosay. Ann is daughter of Donald Colqhoun >Born abt 1761 in Argyll. > >Neil and Ann’s Children are as follows: > >Duncan McKinnon b 11/7/1821 in Torosay dies 1886 Glasgow > >John McKinnon b 3/9/1823 Torosay D before 1834 > >Alexander McKinnon b 1829 Argyll > >Ellen McKinnon b 1831 Argyll > >Jean McKinnon b 1833 Argyll > >John McKinnon b 22/9/1834 > >Robert McKinnon b 1838 Isle of Mull > >James McKinnon b 1840 Argyll > >William Gray McKinnon b 1842 Pennygowan > >Donald McKinnon b 1844 Pennygowan >

was looking for Neil(Niel) McDougall and Henrietta(Effie) McPhail late 1700s in Torosay taken from Birth place and census of their son Duncan McDougall bc 1802 -5 who moved to Laggan in Invernessshire I then found that they were recorded as McLullich for the births of Duncan and siblings in Torosay. This was however MacDougall in next generations. I think there is a possiblity that this is a brother of Neil above and again his children were both McLullich and MacDougall 06/05/1811 MCLULLICH ARCHIBALD LILLY MCKILLOP/ M Torosay and > Kinlochspelvie /ARGYLL I also may have links to another McDougall line from Strachur and Stralachlan, Argfyll Early days in my searching - I have been gathering as many MacDougall etc Tricia

Thanks to all who replied to my request for information. I have forwarded replies to Bjarne. Such a pity that there were no positive connections. Ian with thanks from Bjarne as well.

I have recently stumbled across a “bunch” (what is the collective noun) of Mull exiles in Glasgow that are loosely connected to me through marriage. So being a kind soul I thought I would post them here to see if anyone has a connection and can use the info etc. Neil McKinnon born abt 1800 Torosay married Ann Colqhoun b 1806 Pennygowan D 1875 Morvern on 30/5/1821 in Torosay. Ann is daughter of Donald Colqhoun Born abt 1761 in Argyll. Donald is still alive and living in Ardchoirk, Torosay as were Neil and Ann. He is not on the 1851 Census as far as I can see. Donald and Ann move to Morvern and are there in the 1851 and 1861 Census’. Neil and Ann’s Children are as follows: Duncan McKinnon b 11/7/1821 in Torosay dies 1886 Glasgow John McKinnon b 3/9/1823 Torosay D before 1834 Alexander McKinnon b 1829 Argyll Ellen McKinnon b 1831 Argyll Jean McKinnon b 1833 Argyll John McKinnon b 22/9/1834 Robert McKinnon b 1838 Isle of Mull James McKinnon b 1840 Argyll William Gray McKinnon b 1842 Pennygowan Donald McKinnon b 1844 Pennygowan Duncan McKinnon married Sarah McLachlan b 16/4/1833 Torosay d 1891 Milton Glasgow on 19/12/1852 Campsie, Stirlingshire. Sarah was the daughter of John McLachlan b abt 1791 d 2/11/1872 In Torosay and Mary Campbell B 1800 D 12/12/1894 Torosay. They came from Ardchoirk but where in Killean in 1841 Census. Duncan and Sarah had 8 children born in Glasgow between 1854 and 1872 Robert McKinnon married first Marion Scally (my relation) on 16/7/1861 in Campbeltown (she is from there).They have 4 children, 1 born illegitimately in 1856. Robert second marriage was to Elizabeth Sibbald in Anderston Glasgow on 19/2/1867. They had at least 4 children. I do have some records for the children of John McLachlan and Mary Campbell. If anybody wants more info give me a message David -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 05/03/2007 09:41

Hello Joanne, Excerpt of letter from Jessie Goldie (nee Ronaldson) to her brother William Ronaldson, July 11 1916: "In these days we had a second cousin killed last week at the front in France. He was coming out for a Dr. and he had only one season to put in a college when he was called to the front in may and a clever one he was. He was a lieutenant in the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders and he also has a brother in the same regiment and is expecting to be called away soon. He was at home for a few days..... they call this one Donald and their older brother one called Charles, he is a minister in Shettleston, he is an assistant there waiting for a church of his own, they are all young fellows I don't think they were born when you left (1885). I think their mother and father were not married. Their father is Duncan McKinnon he was a boot and shoemake in Tobermory.." The second cousin killed may have been Lachlan McKinnon who was killed in WW1 according to Tobermory war monument also there is also an Allister McKinnon listed too. I think Shetteston is in Glasgow and found a Charles McKinnon there in 1891 born in Tobermory although he was too old to be the one mentioned here. 1901 Tobermory District No : 3 Page No : 4 House No : 19 Locality : 1 Albert Street 19016225 McKinnon Duncan 52 Head Shoemaker Argyll Glengorm Mull McKinnon Jessie 43 Wife Shoemaker's wife Argyll Glengorm Mull McKinnon Charles 14 Son Scholar Argyll Tobermory McKinnon John 12 Son Scholar Argyll Tobermory McKinnon Lachlan 10 Son Scholar Argyll Tobermory McKinnon Chirsty 6 Dau Argyll Tobermory McKinnon Donald 4 Son Argyll Tobermory McKinnon Flora 54 Sister Formerly Servant Domestic Argyll Glengorm Mull Hope I am allowed to copy and paste little tables from your census pages, I apologise if not, let me know. I'm not sure exactly where these people fit in yet and am hoping someone can save me some brain pain. I have a clue which suggests Duncan McKinnon aged 52 is the son of Christina Mccoll and Charles McKinnon. Perhaps the Charles McKinnon mentioned before in the 1891 census? I'll keep puzzling if no-one can help Thanks, Joanne Re: your posting------ > John McKinnon was another of Lachlan Fletcher and Isabel McColl's > grandchildren through their second daughter. Marion /Sally /Sarah Fletcher > christened 19 May 1814. Marion / Sally/Sarah married Duncan MacKinnon, > they lived in Breast, Tobermory....... I have a lateral connection to this family. My Ggrandmother's brother, JOHN MCDOUGALL was married to ISABELLA MCKINNON, daughter of Duncan & Marion McKinnon. Jane Vassileiou has a connection as well through Isabella's younger brother, Donald McKinnon. Cheers, Joan.

This doesn't really pertain to Mull but would anyone know if a family living on the Isle of Kintrye, south of Mull, would they pasture their sheep on the Isle of Skye? It seems like a very long way to send your sheep. This was a tale told in within the family. Jacqueline in N.S.

Noticed this name in Stewart Young letter. I live in Port Elgin and have heard this story about Lochbuie McLain. It seems that he was on a Fishing Boat sailing from Goderich (or at least south of Port Elgin) to a group of Islands known as the Fishing Islands north of Sauble Beach when a sudden Lake storm arose. The Boat was anchored in the Bay at Port Elgin. Mclain seems to have forgot about fishing and is said to have built a tavern or inn on the corner of what is now Goderich and Market sts. This seems a little unlikely as this is about a mile from the Beach and the trail which ran along the Lakeshore from somewhere south to Southampton. LochBuie Mclain seems to have shortly after disappeared and no other story is recounted. There are McLains in the area but they do not to my knowledge lay any claim. I am going to be busy for a week or so but after I will do some inquires and see again if I cant find some more about him. Regards Garnet Ferguson =========== Garnet & Jan Ferguson E-mail: ferguson@bmts.com Visit our family tree at: http://gbferguson.tripod.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 05/03/2007 9:41 AM

----- Original Message ----- > Hi Joan > Have you further data on your McDougall line > Tricia REPLY: Hi Tricia, I have quite a bit. My Ggrandmother was Catherine Stewart McDougall, born at Arin, Kilninian, daughter of Flory Stewart & Donald McDougall. Were you referring to John McDougall married to Isabella McKinnon? What names are you researching (and dates)? Perhaps I can make a connection. Joan

Hi Joan Have you further data on your McDougall line Tricia

Hi all, I just returned from a wonderful meeting with Nancy Cochener from the US today in Auckland NZ. We talked for about 2 hours over a meal and wine at a lovely hotel right in the city. Nancy and husband Bruce are in NZ and Australia for a month and meeting other 'cousins' in Australia. It was so great to meet a person with the same ancestors as myself (Christina McDonald/Donald McArthur) and all because of the Mull website, Thanks to all involved, Helen Danes NZ _________________________________________________________________ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html

Hello Joanne, Re: your posting------ > John McKinnon was another of Lachlan Fletcher and Isabel McColl's > grandchildren through their second daughter. Marion /Sally /Sarah Fletcher > christened 19 May 1814. Marion / Sally/Sarah married Duncan MacKinnon, > they lived in Breast, Tobermory....... I have a lateral connection to this family. My Ggrandmother's brother, JOHN MCDOUGALL was married to ISABELLA MCKINNON, daughter of Duncan & Marion McKinnon. Jane Vassileiou has a connection as well through Isabella's younger brother, Donald McKinnon. Cheers, Joan.

From the 1841 census Penalbanach /Penmollach Fletcher Lachan 55 Farmer Penalbanach /Penmollach Fletcher Isabel 50 Penalbanach /Penmollach Campbell Anne 20 Penalbanach /Penmollach Campbell Neil 3 Penalbanach /Penmollach Rankin Hector 11 Penalbanach /Penmollach McKinnon John 5 A couple of things to add, Ida King asked back in July of last year who the husband of Anne (nee Fletcher) was. I haven't found a marriage certificate yet but on Anne's death certificate (7 Jan 1893, Calgary, Kilninian & Kilmore) her husband was named as Neil Campbell and described as a labourer. Their son Neil was born around 1839 and I presume the husband had already died. John McKinnon was another of Lachlan Fletcher and Isabel McColl's grandchildren through their second daughter. Marion /Sally /Sarah Fletcher christened 19 May 1814. Marion / Sally/Sarah married Duncan MacKinnon, they lived in Breast, Tobermory parish 1841 census. Lachlan Fletcher born c 1789 Torosay: Marriage on 8 Feb 1809 gives his residence at time of marriage as Auchadashinaig (Achadashenag). Spouse Isabella McColl was living at Corkamull her parents were Neil McColl & Catherine Campbell. I do not know who the parents of Lachlan Fletcher are but I noticed on the Mull Genealogy website a Neil Fletcher who was married to Christina MacDougall. They are buried in a Pennygowan plot alongside several relatives of mine. I think Neil's son Lachlan Fletcher may be the same Lachlan as my GGG grandfather. Neil and Christina are in plot 96, plot 95 has Jessie Ronaldson and husband John Goldie. Jessie is the daughter of Catherine Fletcher (Lachlan's daughter). James Ronaldson and Catherine Fletcher are in plot 94. I had Lachlan down as born c. 1789 in Torosay. (from index of Pennygown burials in the reference section of your website) Other Fletchers are found in plots 81-84 and 88. I think those in plot 82 & 83 are related too. Any thoughts would be welcome! I have also come up against a problem regarding the birth certificate for Lachlan Ronaldson, son of James Ronaldson & Catherine Fletcher. I downloaded one from the Scotland' s People Website which gives the correct parents etc and D.O.B. 6 Nov 1865, this is in agreement with the familysearch. org records. My father has just found what appears to be an original birth certificate for Lachlan - written on some kind of cloth and signed by the registrar Duncan Campbell but this gives the D.O.B. as 6 Nov 1867 and seems to be fairly clear. Is there a way of cross-referencing to find out which entry is correct? Both appear to be official documents. Are there existing birth certificates /parish records around this time kept on Mull that could be compared? I have both copies on e-mail. Many thanks, Joanne Savile

List: This gentleman got tangled in some tree limbs I was working on yesterday. 1891 - Lanark, Glasgow Govan, Kinning Park ED 71 - page 6 129 Paisley Road McLEAN, Hector born circa 1865 Mull, a Police Constable boarding at the above address. ecunningham@att.net

Thank you everyone who replied to the article I posted on Dugald MacPhail. Margaret Murray, Sherri, Jill and Anne for your searches and especially James Beaton for your Gaelic translations. I hadn't really expected anyone to be able to help on those. And Norma, it seems then that this Dugald MacPhail in the article was your great-grandmother's elder brother? In the 1871 census he was with my great grandfather, Hugh MacPhail, at Glenbyre and in 1891 he was with my great grandmother's cousin, Dugald MacPhail (+ his niece Christina Stewart)at Barachandroman. I wish I'd known all this before we met at MUGG! It looks like we have some talking to do so best done off-list. Thanks again for the help. Moira

The Shetland fisherman idea is interesting. Some of them were Stouts (not far from Stott) and sometimes named their sons Thomas. I believe there is more about the early ones in a book by E. Mairi McArthur which I have not seen personally. Best wishes, Jean

Hello Ian, When the Duke of Argyll tried to establish a fishing industry on Mull at Kentra he brought fishermen in from Uist and Shetland to assist the locals, so perhaps one of the Shetland men was actually from Denmark. Were you able to check the dates with the enquirer, as they are she was married before she was born - or is it to early in the morning for me to think straight. Kind regards JAn Peasnell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:16 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] MacFayden I have just recieved the following and wondered if anyone might be able to help :- Hallo I am from Denmark and I am on way to find my famely. My Grand Grand Grand mother was born Margaret McFayden an we now that she was birth 15/2 1852 i Scotland She was merried to Emmanuel Thomas Stott and her children was christen mcFayden but now the name have end there are what I now no more Mc Fayden in Denmark they are marreid 24/4-1847 in Nakskov Denmark I mean that she came from Isle of Mull but I can´t find her. Can you help me f.eks cant give me a way i can seach I Have find some site with som Mc Fayden who are going to Australia Sorry my english I think this is the first individual that I know off who left Mull for Denmark but guess that others must have left at the time of the Vikings. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This website was sent to me by someone from the Maclean newsgroup but I thought it might be of general interest even though Selina comes from Glasgow. http://grammaeve.spaces.live.com:80/Blog/cns!5A4E5F952A3FC538!310.entry This is an interesting oral history account related to a woman named "Selina", grandmother of the author. It involves the sept McFadzean, but what I found very interesting were the things the author shared about what she'd learned about "Home Children" and the circumstances under which many of them were sent to Canada.