Hi Ian, Linda & Mary (+ Bob & Alex) This is interesting for Bob & me as the relationship between Neilina MacKechnie & Alexander Fletcher is one which we've looked at and could 'prove' parentage of Archibald MacPhail (m. Anne MacPherson). Linda said: Any chance they could be 2nd or 3rd cousins? Maybe Archibald McPhail and Angus McPhail are brothers? That scenario is exactly what Bob and I hope is the case! > It would look like Marion [Sarah] and Margaret are sisters > but looking further back we have Marion's parents as > Archibald McPhail and Anne McPherson and Margaret's as > Angus McPhail and Mary McPhail (this could be her married > name not her maiden name). Bob, Alex & I are descended from Archibald MacPhail & Anne MacPherson. Angus MacPhail was my great-great grandfather's brother. Angus' parents were Donald og MacPhail & Sarah Fletcher. (I'm connected with both families by a MacPhail/MacPhail marriage). The MacEachern Fragments (Fletcher section) specifically refers to Donald og MacPhail as having 6 sons - 4 are confirmed as Donald, Angus, John (my g-g-grandfather) & Duncan. Another son is likely Malcolm MacPhail of Oskamull. The 6th son points very strongly to being Archibald MacPhail who married Anne MacPherson (Bob and I have a fairly good list of positives for this). IF Angus MacPhail & Archibald MacPhail are indeed brothers then Neilina MacKechnie & Alexander Fletcher would be 2nd cousins (i.e. their parents (Margaret MacPhail (MacKechnie) & Sarah MacPhail (Flether) were 1st cousins). > Angus McPhail and Mary McPhail (this could be her married > name not her maiden name). > Mary MacPhail was the daughter of John MacPhail & Janet MacKinnon so yet another MacPhail/MacPhail marriage. Mary - you said your dad was working on these families. I have fairly comprehensive notes on both familes (esp Angus & Mary from Scotlandspeople docs & descendants still on Mull). If your Dad would like these let me know and I'll email to you - they are in Word format. Likewise, Ian, if you would like a copy let me know. Bob & I would love to be able to finally confirm Archibald as a son of Donald MacP & Sarah Fletcher. Best wishes Moira

Thank you one and all. Having looked at the 1821 and 1745-55 maps and compared current OS I think Auchnasaul could be the present day Achnacraig. Donald.

Auchnasaul was in Quinish in Mull and part of Maclean of Coll's estate. It can be found on the map of Mull included in Thomson's Atlas of Scotland published c.1821. A reproduction of that map forms the end papers of Jo Currie's "Mull, the Island and its People". Auchnasaul is also be found as "Achnasaul" in William Roy's Military Survey of Scotland of 1747 -1755, a digitised copy of which is accessible at http:geo.nls.uk/roy. Donald Maclean.

Hi All, Perhaps someone out there might have the answer. In the 1891 Census we have :- 1891 Torosay District : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 4 Locality : Post Office Fletcher Alexander 32 Head Postmaster Argyllshire Torosay Fletcher Annie 40 Sister Housekeeper Argyllshire Torosay McKechnie Neilina 22 Cousin Assistant Telegraphist Argyllshire Kilmore Anderson Mary 14 Servant General Servant Argyllshire Kilfinichen As you will see Alexander and Neilina are shown as Cousins. From other census records I have :- 1871 Kilninian & Kilmore District : 8 Page No : 4 House No : 15 Locality : No of House 15 Baligown McKechnie Alexander 67 Head Smith Argyllshire Kilninian McPhail b1811 Margaret 60 Wife Smith's wife Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie John 12 Son Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Mary 10 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Margaret 8 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Catherine 5 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Neilina ** 2 Dau Smith's daughter Argyllshire Kilninian 1851 Torosay District : Page No : 83 House No : 31 Locality : Lochdonhead Fletcher Donald 45 road contractor Kilninian McPhail b1813 Marion 38 w Salen Fletcher Archibald 12 s Salen Fletcher Mary Ann 10 d Salen Fletcher John 8 s Salen Fletcher John A 6 s Salen Fletcher Joseph 4 s Salen Fletcher Anne 2 d Salen 1871 census Fletcher Alexander ** 14 Son Argyll Torosay Fletcher Donald 11 Son Scholar Argyll Torosay It would look like Marion [Sarah] and Margaret are sisters but looking further back we have Marion's parents as Archibald McPhail and Anne McPherson and Margaret's as Angus McPhail and Mary McPhail (this could be her married name not her maiden name). Anybody any ideas on how Neilina and Alexander are cousins or have I missed something really simple. Ian Ps Bob (Murray) - I'm on the case as you can see :-)

Hi Libby Do you have your McMillan family on Ancestry.com? If not there is information on Archibald and Flora and family. Regards Barbara Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:33:51 -1100 From: Elizabeth McMillan <jeanolive@samoa.ws> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] The Bounty Ships Scheme to Australia (Angus McMillan) To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <D9553A6C-4FF6-4787-BAE5-FE353C3F94B3@samoa.ws> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ian I read with interest your posing on the Bounty Ships Scheme and wonder if Angus McMillan (son of Archibald McMillan and Flora McIntyre from Oskamull) was on one of these ships. It seems that he arrived in the colonies in about 1841 (with reference to his death certificate below). I have not been able to find his name or ship. If anyone can find this info - I would appreciate. I have these details from his death certificate: Death: 17 January 1902 Registered at Natimuk, Victoria Australia. Described as: Gentleman Male - 79 years Father - Archibald McMillan, Farmer Mother - Flora McMillan nee McIntyre Informant - John McMillan, Son, Burrawang, New South Wales Burial - 18 January 1902, Harrow Cemetery, Where born - Isle of Mull, Scotland Years in Colony - 61 years in Victoria (This means that he came to Victoria in 1841. If he died at 79, then he was 18 when he came to Victoria. Noting that his parents came in 1853.) Married in Melbourne to Marion McKean when he was 29. (If he was 79 in 1902, then his marriage was in Abt 1852. It is also noted that in Scotland, the name Marion is often interchanged with Sarah.) Regards Libby McMillan (ongoing email - libbymcm@tpg.com.au) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1010 - Release Date: 15/09/2007 7:54 PM

Hi Ian, Bob, Linda & everyone, I will get Dad onto this case, as I know he's done some digging around regarding some of these very people. Mary Fletcher Harris Canada

Any chance they could be 2nd or 3rd cousins? Maybe Archibald McPhail and Angus McPhail are brothers? Linda (MacCormick) Towne -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:15 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McPhail/Fletcher/McKechnie Hi All, Perhaps someone out there might have the answer. In the 1891 Census we have :- 1891 Torosay District : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 4 Locality : Post Office Fletcher Alexander 32 Head Postmaster Argyllshire Torosay Fletcher Annie 40 Sister Housekeeper Argyllshire Torosay McKechnie Neilina 22 Cousin Assistant Telegraphist Argyllshire Kilmore Anderson Mary 14 Servant General Servant Argyllshire Kilfinichen As you will see Alexander and Neilina are shown as Cousins. From other census records I have :- 1871 Kilninian & Kilmore District : 8 Page No : 4 House No : 15 Locality : No of House 15 Baligown McKechnie Alexander 67 Head Smith Argyllshire Kilninian McPhail b1811 Margaret 60 Wife Smith's wife Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie John 12 Son Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Mary 10 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Margaret 8 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Catherine 5 Dau Scholar Argyllshire Kilninian McKechnie Neilina ** 2 Dau Smith's daughter Argyllshire Kilninian 1851 Torosay District : Page No : 83 House No : 31 Locality : Lochdonhead Fletcher Donald 45 road contractor Kilninian McPhail b1813 Marion 38 w Salen Fletcher Archibald 12 s Salen Fletcher Mary Ann 10 d Salen Fletcher John 8 s Salen Fletcher John A 6 s Salen Fletcher Joseph 4 s Salen Fletcher Anne 2 d Salen 1871 census Fletcher Alexander ** 14 Son Argyll Torosay Fletcher Donald 11 Son Scholar Argyll Torosay It would look like Marion [Sarah] and Margaret are sisters but looking further back we have Marion's parents as Archibald McPhail and Anne McPherson and Margaret's as Angus McPhail and Mary McPhail (this could be her married name not her maiden name). Anybody any ideas on how Neilina and Alexander are cousins or have I missed something really simple. Ian Ps Bob (Murray) - I'm on the case as you can see :-) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Could Auchnasaul be Achnasaul which is on Mull near Teanga. There are also several references to Auchnasaul in OPR's as being in 'Kilninian' and 'Kilmore' Parishes. Ian Donald McIlhagga wrote: > In Nicholas Maclean-Bristol's excellent new book 'From Clan to > Regiment' he refers to one of the Coll Maclean families as from > 'Auchnasaul'. If I read him correctly Auchnasaul was in fact in > Mull, and presumably a place from which the family moved to Coll. > However I don't think there is an Auchnasaul on a current map of > Mull. There are a couple of Auchnasauls on the mainland. May be the > place no longer exists, or perhaps has changed its name. Does anyone > know where Auchnasaul was? > > Donald McIlhagga. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Thanks June. There are three places called Auchnasaul on the mainland, but I was enquiring whether there used to be one on Mull. Donald.

Hi Donald, Try www.geograph.org.uk and click on Search Images taken by other members, then enter Auchnasaul. It comes up with a couple of photos and a map. Auchnasaul is on the mainland, opposite Mull. Hope this helps, June >From: Donald McIlhagga <donald@mcilhagga.net> >Reply-To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mull Place Name >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:44:03 +0100 > >In Nicholas Maclean-Bristol's excellent new book 'From Clan to >Regiment' he refers to one of the Coll Maclean families as from >'Auchnasaul'. If I read him correctly Auchnasaul was in fact in >Mull, and presumably a place from which the family moved to Coll. >However I don't think there is an Auchnasaul on a current map of >Mull. There are a couple of Auchnasauls on the mainland. May be the >place no longer exists, or perhaps has changed its name. Does anyone >know where Auchnasaul was? > >Donald McIlhagga. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of Hotmail is here! http://www.newhotmail.co.uk

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Hi Ian had ancestors on "Brilliant" a great book by James Donaldson on this and others,he is talking on at NSW Family History Conference next weekend at Casino NSW would love to contacr Keith Dash saw his name end your great email Cheers Diana Rose Sydney NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] [Fwd: [ARGYLL] The Bounty Ships Scheme toAustralia 1837-1840] > Hi All, > > A forward from the Argyll list that might be of interest. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Nicholas Maclean-Bristol's excellent new book 'From Clan to Regiment' he refers to one of the Coll Maclean families as from 'Auchnasaul'. If I read him correctly Auchnasaul was in fact in Mull, and presumably a place from which the family moved to Coll. However I don't think there is an Auchnasaul on a current map of Mull. There are a couple of Auchnasauls on the mainland. May be the place no longer exists, or perhaps has changed its name. Does anyone know where Auchnasaul was? Donald McIlhagga.

Ian I read with interest your posing on the Bounty Ships Scheme and wonder if Angus McMillan (son of Archibald McMillan and Flora McIntyre from Oskamull) was on one of these ships. It seems that he arrived in the colonies in about 1841 (with reference to his death certificate below). I have not been able to find his name or ship. If anyone can find this info - I would appreciate. I have these details from his death certificate: Death: 17 January 1902 Registered at Natimuk, Victoria Australia. Described as: Gentleman Male - 79 years Father - Archibald McMillan, Farmer Mother - Flora McMillan nee McIntyre Informant - John McMillan, Son, Burrawang, New South Wales Burial - 18 January 1902, Harrow Cemetery, Where born - Isle of Mull, Scotland Years in Colony - 61 years in Victoria (This means that he came to Victoria in 1841. If he died at 79, then he was 18 when he came to Victoria. Noting that his parents came in 1853.) Married in Melbourne to Marion McKean when he was 29. (If he was 79 in 1902, then his marriage was in Abt 1852. It is also noted that in Scotland, the name Marion is often interchanged with Sarah.) Regards Libby McMillan (ongoing email - libbymcm@tpg.com.au)

Dear website could note my change of e-mail address . wburnett@mts.net.ca thanking you . Catherine Burnett .

Hi All, I'll try again. Forward option does not work on list. The government-sponsored Bounty Scheme brought about 5,200 Scots emigrants, drawn mainly from destitute areas in the Highlands and Islands, to Australia between 1837 and 1840. There were 20 Bounty Ships. At least three of these, the "Brilliant", "British King" & "George Fyfe", which all sailed from Tobermory to Sydney, carried passengers from Tiree or Coll. Wayne Cameron, Anne Maye & Melda Brunette have identified the Tiree and Coll emigrants in the passenger lists and transcribed a number of documents relating to the voyages, including an official letter from the British Secretary of State for the Colonies to the Governor of New South Wales, a newspaper report on the departure of the"Brilliant" from Tobermory, a detailed account of the voyage of the "British King", and letters of appreciation from passengers after the ships arrived safely in Sydney. The passenger lists and other documents are all there on the Emigrant Ships page of the Isle of Tiree Genealogy website at www.keithdash.net - just click on the ship's name and follow the links. My thanks to Wayne, Anne & Melda for their painstaking research and their generosity in giving us all access to it. _________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia Ian

Hi All, A forward from the Argyll list that might be of interest. Ian

Hi all, I wonder if anyone can help me with this. The 1841 census for this family is very confusing. Catherine aged 20 shown, is Catherine Campbell, b 1821, wife of John, b 1821, also shown. The children, Betty, aged 3 and Marrion, aged 2 mths are this couple's children. Betty, bapt. 27/11/1838 Ardtun and Marrion, bapt.07/05/1841 also Ardtun. My problem is Donald and Cirsty already had a son called John b 1814 who emmigrated to Canada with his family and can be traced there. Perhaps I'm missing something, but Donald and Cirsty are way too old to have had children this age and I can't seem to fit this family in, although they appear on the census. I can find nothing at all for John aged 10. 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 2 Page No : 7 House No : 35 Locality : Ardfinaig 18412088 Livingston Donald 65 head Agric Labourer Y in Parish Livingston Cirsty 60 wife Y in Parish Livingston John 20 son Y in Parish Livingston Cathrine 20 dau Y in Parish Livingston Cathrine 15 dau Y in Parish Livingston John 10 son Y in Parish Livingston Betty 3 son Y in Parish Livingston Marrion 2 mo son Y in Parish Thanks, June. _________________________________________________________________ Can you see your house from the sky? Try Live Search Maps http://maps.live.com

I hope I'm sending this to the right place.. Joanne Savile has changed e-mail address to josavile@tiscali.co.uk

I know very little about Isabella Macdougal. Her son John was in Bunessan at the time of his marriage and Neil was in Shiaba. The other sons married in Canada. Her husband was James Campbell, son of Captain James (although there is some uncertainty about the forename) Campbell and Catherine Macdonald. Sorry I am not more help. Jean