Now that we have 'agreed' on sorting out the two Catherine McNeils, I would like to ask if anyone on the list (apart from me) has a connection to, or information on, the Malcolm McNeil / Janet Campbell family. >From the OPR we know that Malcolm and Janet married at Caillioch on 16 Mar 1784 and also that Catherine (1791) who married Archibald Beaton had siblings Mary (1788), Neil (1795), Marion (1797) and Janet (1799). All were baptised at Caillioch. From somewhere, but not sure where, I have noted that Mary died in 1867 at Penmore. Does anyone know anything of these siblings? John Beaton Brisbane

Hi Ian, I don't believe that Jessie and Catherine are siblings of John and Archibald. No proof, but firstly I feel there is too big an age gap from John and Archibald Jr and secondly the age of the parents in 1841 puts the DOB for Archibald and Catherine at 1791 and 1796 in lieu of 1785 and 1791. I think it is a different family. John

Hello Folks I'm a new lister here trying very hard to locate the parents of Malcolm McMURCHY born abt 1825 at Killean Isle of Mull Argyl, Malcolm died 28 May 1892 age 66 and is buried with his 1st wife Catherine REID in McDougall Cemetery East Luther township. Could SKS please look-up for me int the BVRI Malcolm McMurchy (Mcmurchie, MacMurchey etc) who married Catherine REID at Killean 23 Nov 1849 Killean And Kilchenzie Argyll The 1841 census has him with sister? Mary age 20 along with an Archibald GILCHRIST (what the relation may be I've no idea) maybe son of Mary?) 1841 census Address: Creggan M S Parish Number: 519 Civil parish: Killean and Kilchenzie County: Argyll Scotland Malcom McMurchy Age: 15 birth year: abt 1826 Archd Gilchrist 5 Mary McMurchy born 1821 20 1851 census Scotland Parish Number: 622 Civil parish: Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 79 Cadogan Street Occupation: Carter ED: 2B Page: 19 schedule number: 77 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_143 Household Members: Malcolm McMurchie Age: 27 birth abt 1824 Head /Spouse's name: Cathrine born: Killean, Argyle Cathrine McMurchie Age: 22 birth abt 1829 Wife Spouse's name: Malcolm born: Kilbranan, Argyle I Grately appreciate any and all help! Best Wishes Teena

Sorry the nearest surname McMurtry and those are all in Ireland and no Malcolm Jean -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Teena Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 2:24 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McMURCHY/REID Vital Records lookup please? Hello Folks I'm a new lister here trying very hard to locate the parents of Malcolm McMURCHY born abt 1825 at Killean Isle of Mull Argyl, Malcolm died 28 May 1892 age 66 and is buried with his 1st wife Catherine REID in McDougall Cemetery East Luther township. Could SKS please look-up for me int the BVRI Malcolm McMurchy (Mcmurchie, MacMurchey etc) who married Catherine REID at Killean 23 Nov 1849 Killean And Kilchenzie Argyll The 1841 census has him with sister? Mary age 20 along with an Archibald GILCHRIST (what the relation may be I've no idea) maybe son of Mary?) 1841 census Address: Creggan M S Parish Number: 519 Civil parish: Killean and Kilchenzie County: Argyll Scotland Malcom McMurchy Age: 15 birth year: abt 1826 Archd Gilchrist 5 Mary McMurchy born 1821 20 1851 census Scotland Parish Number: 622 Civil parish: Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 79 Cadogan Street Occupation: Carter ED: 2B Page: 19 schedule number: 77 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1851_143 Household Members: Malcolm McMurchie Age: 27 birth abt 1824 Head /Spouse's name: Cathrine born: Killean, Argyle Cathrine McMurchie Age: 22 birth abt 1829 Wife Spouse's name: Malcolm born: Kilbranan, Argyle I Grately appreciate any and all help! Best Wishes Teena ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, The following might be of interest to those with Livingstone interests. http://www.clanmclea.co.uk/ Ian

Hi Ian: I am not sure about this. I figured that they were the same family, as Tobermory was not that far from Frackdale/Aren and Calliach. I stilll have some doubts about the Catherine and Alexander Carmichael not on the children, but on if this is the right Catherine McNeil as there was a big difference in age. I know this is such a great help! Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McNeil/Beaton > Hi John and Jacqueline, > > Really good to see that we might be a step nearer to solving the > confusing web over the Archibald and Catherines. > > I still have a question as to the children that I current have linked to > Archibald and Catherine. John states that his Archibald had the children > John and Archibald. So that leaves the question as to who the Jessie > (11) and Catherine (7) shown as children of Archibald and Catherine > Beaton in the 1841 census are. My hunch is that this Archibald and > Christine have nothing to do with the other Archibald and Christines. > Any thoughts. > > Once I have the answer to this I think I can now correct the web > database completely. Heres hoping. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John and Jacqueline, Really good to see that we might be a step nearer to solving the confusing web over the Archibald and Catherines. I still have a question as to the children that I current have linked to Archibald and Catherine. John states that his Archibald had the children John and Archibald. So that leaves the question as to who the Jessie (11) and Catherine (7) shown as children of Archibald and Catherine Beaton in the 1841 census are. My hunch is that this Archibald and Christine have nothing to do with the other Archibald and Christines. Any thoughts. Once I have the answer to this I think I can now correct the web database completely. Heres hoping. Ian

Thanks Les Great find. The MCQUARRIE family in Moidart was that of Charles, eldest son of Charles MACQUARIE (brother of the NSW Governor Lt Col Lachlan Macquarie) and Marianne WILLISON. Charles Jr and his wife Margaret CAMPBELL had 12 children. The first 3, Isabella Hunter MACQUARIE b 07/09/1839, Marion or Maryann Willison MACQUARIE b 24/09/1842, and Charles MACQUARIE b 19/09/1844 were born in Sydney, New South Wales. This would have been the mispelling as South Kyles in that 1851 Census entry. The next 7 children were born in Moidart, although Elizabeth was born 25/10/1846 in Moidart but baptised in Torosay 05/02/1847. The 11th child Lachlan MACQUARIE was born in Tobermory in 1860, and the 12th Margaret Jarvis Maclaine MACQUARIE was born in Glasgow in 1863. Regards Michelle Giza-Vink in Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <leshorn@ythanonich.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Isle of Mull Rootsweb" <SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mull Strays in Moidart INV > BlankHi all > > Whilst researching in Catholic Moidart (Inverness-shire) in the Argyll QSP > of Aharacle in the Argyll Parish of Ardnamurchan - Argyll loves muddying > the > waters doesn't it - I came accross the following Muileachs in the 1851 > Census. > > 1851 Ardnamurchan ARL Psh 505 ED Aharacle 3 pg 3 Sch 5 - Glenmoidart > House, > Moidart, Inverness-shire > Charles McQUARRIE Head Mrrd 36 Farmer Emp[loying 4 men b Mull ARL > Margare McQUARRIEt Wife Mrrd 33 Farmer's wife b Islay ARL > Isabella H McQUARRIE Dau 11 Scholar at home b South Kyles [?] INV > Maryann M McQUARRIE Dau 8 Scholar at home b South Kyles [?] INV > Charles McQUARRIE Son 6 Scholar at home b Moidart INV > EliZabeth McQUARRIE Dau 4 Scholar at home b Moidart INV > Dugald McQUARRIE Son 2 b Moidart INV > Eleanor C N McQUARRIE Dau 1 b Moidart INV > Eleanor CAMPBELL Vis Unm 26 Annuitant b Islay ARL > Hugh McNAUGHTON Serv Unm 24 Farm Lab b Sunart ARL [overwritten > Ardnamurchan] > Catharine McNAUGHTON Serv Unm 30 Nurse [overwritten Ardnamurchan] > Sarah CAMERON Serv Unm 30 Cook [overwritten Ardnamurchan] > Marion McNEILL Serv Unm 17 House Servant b Fort William INV > > I did a quick check on the OPR for Moidart and found with parents Charles > McQUARRIE + Margaret CAMPBELL > Dugald Campbell McQUARRIE b-c 31/5-30/11/1848 Samalaman > Georgina Kilison [?] McQUARRIE b 28/11/1851 c 9/6/1853 Samalaman > Murdoch McQUARRIE b [left blank] c 30/5/1854 Samalaman > > There was no sign of births/baptisms for Charles an EliZabeth. > ============= > 1851 Ardnamurchan ARL Psh 505 ED Aharacle 3 pg 9 Sch 27 - Kinlochmoidart > Schoolhouse, Moidart, Inverness-shire > Archibald FLETCHER Head Unm 20 Schoolmaster b Salen, Mull ARL * > Duncan FLETCHER Bro Unm 14 Schoolmaster's brother b Salen, Mull ARL * > Hugh McDOUGALL Vis Unm 26 Tailor b Fort William INV > > * There is also Salen ARL on the mainland in Morvern ARL Parish hence > 'Mull' > being shown. > ============= > Hope this is of use to someone > > Regards > Les > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Jacqueline. As you seem pretty sure that the 1893 Catherine, the daughter of John McNeil and Janet went to Canada, I think I will claim the 1891 Catherine (dau of Malcolm McNeil and Janet Campbell) as the one who married Archibald Beaton in 1814. There are some things that we may never get 100% proof but, in my opinion, this seems a pretty safe bet. I think I will ask Ian to amend the web site to reflect this conclusion. John Beaton

Kim.........I believe the inforation held by the ROMHC is mostly from a 'tree' I had submitted several years ago. I had contacted Jo Curry to see if she had anything additional on these MacArthurs and she said 'no'. Do an internet search for Ardanalish. Think you'll find something. Happy hunting, Jill June Ridgeway <june.5@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hi Kim, Try www.romhc.org.uk This is The Ross of Mull Historical Society and under the heading "Geneology" they say they hold information on your Donald McArthur. They are very helpful if you email them and they will be able to tell you about Ardalanish too. I have family who came from Ardchiavaig, about a mile from Ardalanish, which is also deserted now although the area was inhabited into the early 1900's Good Luck, June > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:19:41 +0000> From: tkschamberlain@yahoo.com> To: SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Hugh McLachlan> > Hi, My name is Kim Smith-Chamberlain and I am new to> the group. My interest is in the McArthur families of> Mull ( for the moment). I believe that my Great Great> Grandfather Hugh McLaughlin ( spelled McLachlan in the> ealier days) was born in Scotland and is the son of> Catherine McArthur of Mull. > Catherine MacArthur > Baptised May 5 1824> Ardalanish, Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon, Argyll,> Scotland > > daughter of Donald McArthur and Mary McKinnon.> > 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page No> >: 7 House No : 27 Locality : Ardelanish 18412027 > >* McArthur Donald 46 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Mary 40 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Catherine 17 Y in Parish > >*McArthur Marion 14 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Mary 12 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Annabella 9 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Archibald 7 Y in Parish > >*McArthur Charles 5! Y in Parish > >* McArthur John 1 Y in Parish > > The family ,with other McArthurs, later came to> Canada and settled into Grey County , Ontario. > > 1851 Glenelg , Grey Co. Ont> Donald McArthur yeoman H of Sct Ch of Sct aged 56> Mary aged 50 > Marion aged 24 > Mary 22 > Archibald > Charles 15 > John 12 > Donald 9> Hugh McLachlan aged 2 b Sct> > 1871 census of Glenelg Twp, South Grey, Ontario,> Canada > McArthur- Charles, Male- 33-born-> Scotland-presby-scotch race-Married- within the last> 12 months- yes- March> Mary- F- 21-born Ontario- presby- english race( looks> like she was unable to write)> > Mary- F- 69- born Scotland- presby- widow- unable to> read or write> > McLachlan, Hugh-M-25-born Scotland- presby- farmer > > ( this Mary- 69 , I believe is Mary McKinnon - Charles> , Catherines' etc mother)> > My great great grandfather married and settled on the> Manitoulin Island where the subsequent generations> were born. My mother went out West and I was born in> Saskatoon! , though I now live in England. > I very joined the Grey Co. , Ontari o group and have> been very fortunate to receive some helpful info from> the group but along with my own research have not> been able to establish exactly who Hugh's parents> were. Hugh definitely knew the family as he was living> not with Catherine ( his Mom ? who by the 1851 census> was married to Allen Cameron ) but with other family> members in the 1851,1861 and 1871 censuses of Glenelg.> Unfortunately- they don't state the relationship - ie-> son, dau etc. > > Hugh's obit stated that he was the half brother of 3> of Catherines' children from her marriage to Allen> Cameron( Glenelg, Ont)so that is why I have decided> that she was in fact his Mother but I can find no> "evidence" per say to prove it. > > >From his Obitutary:> Hugh McLaughlin> Died @ Manitowaning, Thurs. July 9th, 1908; age 58> > Mentioned as half brother and sisters were D. Cameron> of Corbetton; Mrs. M. McMillan of Bunessan; and Mrs.> H.C. LeGard of Flesherton (Flesherton Corners)> > A member of the group! thought that Hugh may have been> a cousin that they brought over to Canada( a bit risky> in those days at 1- 2 years old( he was born in> Scotland 1850 and in Ontario in the 1851 census). I> understand that there are McLachlans in Mull and> wondered if anyone was researching into this> relationship or the McLachlans in general. > I can find no baptism anywhere for Hugh or marriage> for Catherine. > > I was also wondering if anyone knows what Ardelanish(> or Ardalanish) was like in the 1840's? I haven't been> able to find much on the Net about it. It seems to be> deserted now - was this due to the clearances? Would> this be why the family moved away to Canada? Excuse my> ignorance but I have yet to investigate this area> fully but it is on my list as is getting up to Mull to> see where my people came from. I understand there is a> good museum there. > Well, thank you to anyone who has any clues to the> information I seek and I am happy to pass on any> research on Canadian M! cArthurs or anything else if> anyone needs it. Kim> > > > ____________ _______________________________________________> Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. 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BlankHi all Whilst researching in Catholic Moidart (Inverness-shire) in the Argyll QSP of Aharacle in the Argyll Parish of Ardnamurchan - Argyll loves muddying the waters doesn't it - I came accross the following Muileachs in the 1851 Census. 1851 Ardnamurchan ARL Psh 505 ED Aharacle 3 pg 3 Sch 5 - Glenmoidart House, Moidart, Inverness-shire Charles McQUARRIE Head Mrrd 36 Farmer Emp[loying 4 men b Mull ARL Margare McQUARRIEt Wife Mrrd 33 Farmer's wife b Islay ARL Isabella H McQUARRIE Dau 11 Scholar at home b South Kyles [?] INV Maryann M McQUARRIE Dau 8 Scholar at home b South Kyles [?] INV Charles McQUARRIE Son 6 Scholar at home b Moidart INV EliZabeth McQUARRIE Dau 4 Scholar at home b Moidart INV Dugald McQUARRIE Son 2 b Moidart INV Eleanor C N McQUARRIE Dau 1 b Moidart INV Eleanor CAMPBELL Vis Unm 26 Annuitant b Islay ARL Hugh McNAUGHTON Serv Unm 24 Farm Lab b Sunart ARL [overwritten Ardnamurchan] Catharine McNAUGHTON Serv Unm 30 Nurse [overwritten Ardnamurchan] Sarah CAMERON Serv Unm 30 Cook [overwritten Ardnamurchan] Marion McNEILL Serv Unm 17 House Servant b Fort William INV I did a quick check on the OPR for Moidart and found with parents Charles McQUARRIE + Margaret CAMPBELL Dugald Campbell McQUARRIE b-c 31/5-30/11/1848 Samalaman Georgina Kilison [?] McQUARRIE b 28/11/1851 c 9/6/1853 Samalaman Murdoch McQUARRIE b [left blank] c 30/5/1854 Samalaman There was no sign of births/baptisms for Charles an EliZabeth. ============= 1851 Ardnamurchan ARL Psh 505 ED Aharacle 3 pg 9 Sch 27 - Kinlochmoidart Schoolhouse, Moidart, Inverness-shire Archibald FLETCHER Head Unm 20 Schoolmaster b Salen, Mull ARL * Duncan FLETCHER Bro Unm 14 Schoolmaster's brother b Salen, Mull ARL * Hugh McDOUGALL Vis Unm 26 Tailor b Fort William INV * There is also Salen ARL on the mainland in Morvern ARL Parish hence 'Mull' being shown. ============= Hope this is of use to someone Regards Les

Dear June, Thank you for the tips- I will check the website out. Kim --- June Ridgeway <june.5@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi Kim, > > Try www.romhc.org.uk This is The Ross of Mull > Historical Society and under the heading "Geneology" > they say they hold information on your Donald > McArthur. > > They are very helpful if you email them and they > will be able to tell you about Ardalanish too. > > I have family who came from Ardchiavaig, about a > mile from Ardalanish, which is also deserted now > although the area was inhabited into the early > 1900's > > Good Luck, > June > > > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:19:41 +0000> From: > tkschamberlain@yahoo.com> To: > SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> Subject: > [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Hugh McLachlan> > Hi, My name is > Kim Smith-Chamberlain and I am new to> the group. My > interest is in the McArthur families of> Mull ( for > the moment). I believe that my Great Great> > Grandfather Hugh McLaughlin ( spelled McLachlan in > the> ealier days) was born in Scotland and is the > son of> Catherine McArthur of Mull. > Catherine > MacArthur > Baptised May 5 1824> Ardalanish, > Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon, Argyll,> Scotland > > > daughter of Donald McArthur and Mary McKinnon.> > > 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page > No> >: 7 House No : 27 Locality : Ardelanish > 18412027 > >* McArthur Donald 46 Y in Parish > >* > McArthur Mary 40 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Catherine > 17 Y in Parish > >*McArthur Marion 14 Y in Parish > > >* McArthur Mary 12 Y in Parish > >* McArthur > Annabella 9 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Archibald 7 Y > in Parish > >*McArthur Charles 5! > Y in Parish > >* McArthur John 1 Y in Parish > > > The family ,with other McArthurs, later came to> > Canada and settled into Grey County , Ontario. > > > 1851 Glenelg , Grey Co. Ont> Donald McArthur yeoman > H of Sct Ch of Sct aged 56> Mary aged 50 > Marion > aged 24 > Mary 22 > Archibald > Charles 15 > John 12 > > Donald 9> Hugh McLachlan aged 2 b Sct> > 1871 > census of Glenelg Twp, South Grey, Ontario,> Canada > > McArthur- Charles, Male- 33-born-> > Scotland-presby-scotch race-Married- within the > last> 12 months- yes- March> Mary- F- 21-born > Ontario- presby- english race( looks> like she was > unable to write)> > Mary- F- 69- born Scotland- > presby- widow- unable to> read or write> > > McLachlan, Hugh-M-25-born Scotland- presby- farmer > > > ( this Mary- 69 , I believe is Mary McKinnon - > Charles> , Catherines' etc mother)> > My great great > grandfather married and settled on the> Manitoulin > Island where the subsequent generations> were born. > My mother went out West and I was born in> > Saskatoon! > , though I now live in England. > I very joined > the Grey Co. , Ontari > o group and have> been very fortunate to receive > some helpful info from> the group but along with my > own research have not> been able to establish > exactly who Hugh's parents> were. Hugh definitely > knew the family as he was living> not with Catherine > ( his Mom ? who by the 1851 census> was married to > Allen Cameron ) but with other family> members in > the 1851,1861 and 1871 censuses of Glenelg.> > Unfortunately- they don't state the relationship - > ie-> son, dau etc. > > Hugh's obit stated that he > was the half brother of 3> of Catherines' children > from her marriage to Allen> Cameron( Glenelg, Ont)so > that is why I have decided> that she was in fact his > Mother but I can find no> "evidence" per say to > prove it. > > >From his Obitutary:> Hugh McLaughlin> > Died @ Manitowaning, Thurs. July 9th, 1908; age 58> > > Mentioned as half brother and sisters were D. > Cameron> of Corbetton; Mrs. M. McMillan of Bunessan; > and Mrs.> H.C. LeGard of Flesherton (Flesherton > Corners)> > A member of the group! > thought that Hugh may have been> a cousin that > they brought over to Canada( a bit risky> in those > days at 1- 2 years old( he was born in> Scotland > 1850 and in Ontario in the 1851 census). I> > understand that there are McLachlans in Mull and> > wondered if anyone was researching into this> > relationship or the McLachlans in general. > I can > find no baptism anywhere for Hugh or marriage> for > Catherine. > > I was also wondering if anyone knows > what Ardelanish(> or Ardalanish) was like in the > 1840's? I haven't been> able to find much on the Net > about it. It seems to be> deserted now - was this > due to the clearances? Would> this be why the family > moved away to Canada? Excuse my> ignorance but I > have yet to investigate this area> fully but it is > on my list as is getting up to Mull to> see where my > people came from. I understand there is a> good > museum there. > Well, thank you to anyone who has > any clues to the> information I seek and I am happy > to pass on any> research on Canadian M! > cArthurs or anything else if> anyone needs it. Kim> > > > > ____________ > _______________________________________________> > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there > knows the answer. 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Hi John: The reason I tthought Catherine married Alexander Carmichael was that there were only the two McNeils in Dalhousie Township at this time with a daughter Catherine and I know who the other Catherine married. Also, Alexander Carmichael lived near these McNeils. The ship list I have only gives the father and not the children or if a brother or sister came with them. I know this Catherine's parents were John and Janet McNeil as their children's marriages state this. . I just don't know for sure, the only thing is the census record for Catherine McNeil in 1851 states her age as 45 and his as 46. This would make Catherine out about 10 years or so. The biggest problem with the McNeils/McLeans are that they called all their children nearly the same names and its very hard to separate them with only a first name to go by. Anyway I will keep looking for something else to try and get a better handle on this. There are not many records from when they first came to Ontario in 1820/21. If you can put anymore light on this couple would certainly be glad to hear from you. Jacqueline in N.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Beaton" <jcbeaton@bigpond.com> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Re McNeil/Beaton > Hi Jacqueline, > > Can you please share a bit more as to the basis for your conclusion. > > I have a significant interest in the resolution of these two Catherine > McNeils (both from Caillioch) as the one who married Archibald Beaton is > my > ancestor. If you have proof that the 1893 Catherine went to Canada, then > that almost certainly leaves the 1891 Catherine with parents Malcolm > McNeil > and Janet Campbell as the one who married Archibald Beaton. This would > possibly explain the appearance of Malcolm as a second name in a later > generation. > > John Beaton > Brisbane > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:29:17 -0400 >> From: "Jacqueline Archibald" <h.j.arch@ns.sympatico.ca> >> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McNeil/Beaton >> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000701c8288f$5c6c3990$ab44fea9@factory3458> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Ian and List, I think I have discovered that the Catherine McNeil >> baptized 1793 in Calliach that I thought was married to Archibald Beaton >> is not right. My Catherine I am quite sure came to Canada and married >> Alexander Carmichael in 1822. So the children Alexander and Archibald >> are not my Catherine McNeil. >> There certainly were the two Catherines but the one I needed was the >> McNeil/Carmichael marriage. >> Thanks >> Jacqueline in N.S. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kim, Try www.romhc.org.uk This is The Ross of Mull Historical Society and under the heading "Geneology" they say they hold information on your Donald McArthur. They are very helpful if you email them and they will be able to tell you about Ardalanish too. I have family who came from Ardchiavaig, about a mile from Ardalanish, which is also deserted now although the area was inhabited into the early 1900's Good Luck, June > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:19:41 +0000> From: tkschamberlain@yahoo.com> To: SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Hugh McLachlan> > Hi, My name is Kim Smith-Chamberlain and I am new to> the group. My interest is in the McArthur families of> Mull ( for the moment). I believe that my Great Great> Grandfather Hugh McLaughlin ( spelled McLachlan in the> ealier days) was born in Scotland and is the son of> Catherine McArthur of Mull. > Catherine MacArthur > Baptised May 5 1824> Ardalanish, Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon, Argyll,> Scotland > > daughter of Donald McArthur and Mary McKinnon.> > 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page No> >: 7 House No : 27 Locality : Ardelanish 18412027 > >* McArthur Donald 46 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Mary 40 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Catherine 17 Y in Parish > >*McArthur Marion 14 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Mary 12 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Annabella 9 Y in Parish > >* McArthur Archibald 7 Y in Parish > >*McArthur Charles 5 Y in Parish > >* McArthur John 1 Y in Parish > > The family ,with other McArthurs, later came to> Canada and settled into Grey County , Ontario. > > 1851 Glenelg , Grey Co. Ont> Donald McArthur yeoman H of Sct Ch of Sct aged 56> Mary aged 50 > Marion aged 24 > Mary 22 > Archibald > Charles 15 > John 12 > Donald 9> Hugh McLachlan aged 2 b Sct> > 1871 census of Glenelg Twp, South Grey, Ontario,> Canada > McArthur- Charles, Male- 33-born-> Scotland-presby-scotch race-Married- within the last> 12 months- yes- March> Mary- F- 21-born Ontario- presby- english race( looks> like she was unable to write)> > Mary- F- 69- born Scotland- presby- widow- unable to> read or write> > McLachlan, Hugh-M-25-born Scotland- presby- farmer > > ( this Mary- 69 , I believe is Mary McKinnon - Charles> , Catherines' etc mother)> > My great great grandfather married and settled on the> Manitoulin Island where the subsequent generations> were born. My mother went out West and I was born in> Saskatoon , though I now live in England. > I very joined the Grey Co. , Ontario group and have> been very fortunate to receive some helpful info from> the group but along with my own research have not> been able to establish exactly who Hugh's parents> were. Hugh definitely knew the family as he was living> not with Catherine ( his Mom ? who by the 1851 census> was married to Allen Cameron ) but with other family> members in the 1851,1861 and 1871 censuses of Glenelg.> Unfortunately- they don't state the relationship - ie-> son, dau etc. > > Hugh's obit stated that he was the half brother of 3> of Catherines' children from her marriage to Allen> Cameron( Glenelg, Ont)so that is why I have decided> that she was in fact his Mother but I can find no> "evidence" per say to prove it. > > >From his Obitutary:> Hugh McLaughlin> Died @ Manitowaning, Thurs. July 9th, 1908; age 58> > Mentioned as half brother and sisters were D. Cameron> of Corbetton; Mrs. M. McMillan of Bunessan; and Mrs.> H.C. LeGard of Flesherton (Flesherton Corners)> > A member of the group thought that Hugh may have been> a cousin that they brought over to Canada( a bit risky> in those days at 1- 2 years old( he was born in> Scotland 1850 and in Ontario in the 1851 census). I> understand that there are McLachlans in Mull and> wondered if anyone was researching into this> relationship or the McLachlans in general. > I can find no baptism anywhere for Hugh or marriage> for Catherine. > > I was also wondering if anyone knows what Ardelanish(> or Ardalanish) was like in the 1840's? I haven't been> able to find much on the Net about it. It seems to be> deserted now - was this due to the clearances? Would> this be why the family moved away to Canada? Excuse my> ignorance but I have yet to investigate this area> fully but it is on my list as is getting up to Mull to> see where my people came from. I understand there is a> good museum there. > Well, thank you to anyone who has any clues to the> information I seek and I am happy to pass on any> research on Canadian McArthurs or anything else if> anyone needs it. Kim> > > > ___________________________________________________________> Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it> now.> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk

Hi, My name is Kim Smith-Chamberlain and I am new to the group. My interest is in the McArthur families of Mull ( for the moment). I believe that my Great Great Grandfather Hugh McLaughlin ( spelled McLachlan in the ealier days) was born in Scotland and is the son of Catherine McArthur of Mull. Catherine MacArthur Baptised May 5 1824 Ardalanish, Kilfinichen And Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland daughter of Donald McArthur and Mary McKinnon. 1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 1 Page No >: 7 House No : 27 Locality : Ardelanish 18412027 >* McArthur Donald 46 Y in Parish >* McArthur Mary 40 Y in Parish >* McArthur Catherine 17 Y in Parish >*McArthur Marion 14 Y in Parish >* McArthur Mary 12 Y in Parish >* McArthur Annabella 9 Y in Parish >* McArthur Archibald 7 Y in Parish >*McArthur Charles 5 Y in Parish >* McArthur John 1 Y in Parish The family ,with other McArthurs, later came to Canada and settled into Grey County , Ontario. 1851 Glenelg , Grey Co. Ont Donald McArthur yeoman H of Sct Ch of Sct aged 56 Mary aged 50 Marion aged 24 Mary 22 Archibald Charles 15 John 12 Donald 9 Hugh McLachlan aged 2 b Sct 1871 census of Glenelg Twp, South Grey, Ontario, Canada McArthur- Charles, Male- 33-born- Scotland-presby-scotch race-Married- within the last 12 months- yes- March Mary- F- 21-born Ontario- presby- english race( looks like she was unable to write) Mary- F- 69- born Scotland- presby- widow- unable to read or write McLachlan, Hugh-M-25-born Scotland- presby- farmer ( this Mary- 69 , I believe is Mary McKinnon - Charles , Catherines' etc mother) My great great grandfather married and settled on the Manitoulin Island where the subsequent generations were born. My mother went out West and I was born in Saskatoon , though I now live in England. I very joined the Grey Co. , Ontario group and have been very fortunate to receive some helpful info from the group but along with my own research have not been able to establish exactly who Hugh's parents were. Hugh definitely knew the family as he was living not with Catherine ( his Mom ? who by the 1851 census was married to Allen Cameron ) but with other family members in the 1851,1861 and 1871 censuses of Glenelg. Unfortunately- they don't state the relationship - ie- son, dau etc. Hugh's obit stated that he was the half brother of 3 of Catherines' children from her marriage to Allen Cameron( Glenelg, Ont)so that is why I have decided that she was in fact his Mother but I can find no "evidence" per say to prove it. >From his Obitutary: Hugh McLaughlin Died @ Manitowaning, Thurs. July 9th, 1908; age 58 Mentioned as half brother and sisters were D. Cameron of Corbetton; Mrs. M. McMillan of Bunessan; and Mrs. H.C. LeGard of Flesherton (Flesherton Corners) A member of the group thought that Hugh may have been a cousin that they brought over to Canada( a bit risky in those days at 1- 2 years old( he was born in Scotland 1850 and in Ontario in the 1851 census). I understand that there are McLachlans in Mull and wondered if anyone was researching into this relationship or the McLachlans in general. I can find no baptism anywhere for Hugh or marriage for Catherine. I was also wondering if anyone knows what Ardelanish( or Ardalanish) was like in the 1840's? I haven't been able to find much on the Net about it. It seems to be deserted now - was this due to the clearances? Would this be why the family moved away to Canada? Excuse my ignorance but I have yet to investigate this area fully but it is on my list as is getting up to Mull to see where my people came from. I understand there is a good museum there. Well, thank you to anyone who has any clues to the information I seek and I am happy to pass on any research on Canadian McArthurs or anything else if anyone needs it. Kim ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

A forward from the Argyll list that might be of interest to those with wider Argyll folk. Ian >> I have been collecting an ever increasing list of links for Argyll for various sites I am helping to put together and maintain. With the enquiries here for links and places to find information I wondered if the following is of any use to you all www.spanglefish.com/AGI I also wondered if this incredibly impressive Roll Call we are having, should not be preserved somewhere that maybe a little easier to view than the rootsweb archive. If so it would be very easy to add it there as well. The list admin could use the site for anything like group rules or such. There can be any number of administrators. Hope its considered useful -- regards Jill Bowis www.benderloch.org.uk/forum - Ardchattan Archive : - history, geology, ecology, genealogy, weather, webcam, local forum www.kintaline.co.uk - where we are, what we do: Kintaline Plant and Poultry Centre

A forward from the Argyll list that might be of interest to those with wider Argyll folk. Ian

Hi Jacqueline, Can you please share a bit more as to the basis for your conclusion. I have a significant interest in the resolution of these two Catherine McNeils (both from Caillioch) as the one who married Archibald Beaton is my ancestor. If you have proof that the 1893 Catherine went to Canada, then that almost certainly leaves the 1891 Catherine with parents Malcolm McNeil and Janet Campbell as the one who married Archibald Beaton. This would possibly explain the appearance of Malcolm as a second name in a later generation. John Beaton Brisbane > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:29:17 -0400 > From: "Jacqueline Archibald" <h.j.arch@ns.sympatico.ca> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McNeil/Beaton > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000701c8288f$5c6c3990$ab44fea9@factory3458> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Ian and List, I think I have discovered that the Catherine McNeil > baptized 1793 in Calliach that I thought was married to Archibald Beaton > is not right. My Catherine I am quite sure came to Canada and married > Alexander Carmichael in 1822. So the children Alexander and Archibald > are not my Catherine McNeil. > There certainly were the two Catherines but the one I needed was the > McNeil/Carmichael marriage. > Thanks > Jacqueline in N.S. >

Hi Ian and List, I think I have discovered that the Catherine McNeil baptized 1793 in Calliach that I thought was married to Archibald Beaton is not right. My Catherine I am quite sure came to Canada and married Alexander Carmichael in 1822. So the children Alexander and Archibald are not my Catherine McNeil. There certainly were the two Catherines but the one I needed was the McNeil/Carmichael marriage. Thanks Jacqueline in N.S.

Hi Donald, thank you for this information on the Janets. I doubt if I am going to find out who her parents were. Just thought I'd send you this info I picked up in Glasgow at the Mitchell Library. Coll Volume 4 Hector McLean born 1696 son of Ewen McLean of Treshnish died 10 April 1775. Hector married Janet McLean June 22, 1743 daughter of Hector McLean, tacksman of Knock. Janet died at Coll 2 August 1791. 1. Hector and Janet had a daughter Margaret born 22 May 1745 and died young. 2.Also, a daughter Florence born 15 October 1747 who married Captain Lachlan MacLean of Coll. 3. A son Allan, who was an Officer in the Army born 23 April 1751 and died at sea. 4. Margaret born 28 July 1752 who married Alexander Maclean of Mingary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald McIlhagga" <donald@mcilhagga.net> To: "Jacqueline Archibald" <h.j.arch@ns.sympatico.ca> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Coll Macleans > Hello Jacqueline, > > The only Coll Janet McLean I have come across is one whose parents I do > not know. She was the common law wife of Charles MacQuarrie about 1800. > There are 6 Janet Macleans. 1: Daughter of Hector Mor Maclean (c. > 1529-1570) who married a Clanranald and had two daughters (names not > known); 2: Daughter of Hugh Maclean Urquhart who married John Abrach > Maclean around 1500 who had 3 sons and 2 daughters (names known). She was > in fact my 14 GGrandmother; 3: Janet Maclean of Crossapol daughter of > Neil. She married Capt. Allan MacDonald of Darracha mid 18th Century and > had a son Malcolm; 4: Daughter of Lachlan Maclean of Coll early 1600s who > married Mr. Farquhar Fraser, Dean of the Isles. They had two sons, Hector > and John; 5: Daughter of Capt Lachlan Maclean of Gallanach about 1750; > and 6: Janet born 1802 (died 1885) to Sgt Hugh Maclean in Fiosgarach and > his wife Jean. She married John Johnston son of John and Isobel Johnston > in Arnabost. John and Janet had a son John. > > If you come across Coll pedigrees at Dalhousie or Tobermory do please let > me know about them. > > All the best. Donald > > > > On 5 Nov 2007, at 20:49, Jacqueline Archibald wrote: > >> Hello Donald in your research have you come across many Janet/ Jannet >> McLeans? I realize this is probably a huge question but I presume she >> would have been in the area of Arin/Arine as she married John McNeil in >> 1785 in Aren. I just thought her father might be John as the first son >> was Neil for his father and the 2nd. one was John, of course it could >> have been for himself. I haven't been able to find the book "From Clan >> to Regiment". While I was in Tobermory, a book store there had the Coll >> McLean Pedigree and I meant to get back to look at it, but as you know >> when travelling you don't always have time to return to places. I >> believe Ian might be going in the springl, maybe he would take a quick >> glance for me if he is in Tobermory. Thank you for looking for the >> Janet and John but as I say I am just grasping at straws. >> I think I mentioned on the list that I would be going to Dalhousie >> University where I am informed they have the Kokayne Predigrees on the >> Coll McLeans. I have not seen this as yet so don't know if it is of any >> help or not. >> Thanks >> Jacqueline in Nova Scotia