Ida This looks like the same family too. What do you think? They are listed in the HIES Records as passengers on the New Zealander travelling to Portland Victoria Australia in 1853. There is no mention of Catherine's husband Donald - which suggests that he has died before 1853. The source for the following is: http://www.angelfire.com/ns/bkeddy/HIES/newzealander1.html McDONALD Catherine 44 Island of Gometra Mr McLean of Coll (464) Neil 24 Effy 23 Ann 21 Malcolm 18 Margaret 17 Flora 15 Mary 13 Marion 11 (Marion is the daughter who married Hector McDonald from Skye, also on the New Zealander) Cath 10 Christy 8 One of the best families for emigration to meet with. Gomerta owned by Misses MacDonald. Regards Libby McMillan

Hi List Just joined. I am researching the background of Archibald McINTYRE, his wife Flora, nee McLEAN and their children. Various sources indicate that Archibald and Flora would have married around the mid 1830s but does not tell where. The 1841 census shows: Archibald and Flora, both aged 30 Angus 6 Mary 4 Hector 2 Archibald 1 month Information to date indicates that the children were born in either Kilninian or Tobermory - but that is not entirely clear. The 1851 census shows: Archibald 40 Flora 38 Mary 14 Hector 12 Archibald 10 John 8 Christina 6 Donald 4 William 2 Angus does not appear in 1851. May have left home or has possibly died. Strangely though, he does not appear as a child of this couple on their death certificates. Later information states that all children after Archibald were born in Ardnamurchan but not the precise location. Neither Donald nor William survived childhood nor did a later sibling, George. There was an even later child, a second William, who did. Archibald, a blacksmith, Flora, Mary, Hector, Archibald, John, Christina and the second William migrated to Geelong, Victoria, aboard the "Hornet", arriving in October 1854. I would love to hear from anyone with an interest in, or knowledge of, this family. the older of the tworobbos at Bairnsdale, Victoria, OZ

Good morning Peter > I read your message below in the Mull site and thought that I would > contact you to share my McIntyre relative with you. My great great grandparents - Archibald McMillan and Flora McMillan (nee McIntyre) came to Portland Victoria in 1853 in the New Zealander. They brought with them their children - John, Alexander, Ann and Christy. Their son Angus had come before them. They settled around Branxholme, Vic which is between Portland and Hamilton. When I got a copy of Flora's death certificate (1870), it listed her parents as being Angus McIntyre and Christina McCormack. When I got a copy of Archibald's death certificate (1871), it listed his parents as being McMillan and Christina McCormack. I have some doubt as to whether both of them would have had mothers with the same name - I rather suspect that the informant was not quite clear about the names of these people who had never been in Australia and so were from the far distant past. Their ages were also rather hard to calculate finding them in the census in Mull, and then finding their ages in the HIES records as 60 - noting that the cut off age for HIES was 60. The 1841 Census for Mull has the family in Oskamull ------------------------------------------------------- Flory MacMillan, aged 42, agricultural labourer Cirsty, daughter, aged 11 John, son, aged 8 Alexander, son, aged 4 (note - no Archibald present, and also no Sarah (Marion), Ann, Flory or Mary are mentioned - see below in reference to the grandson Angus McLean who is present in the household in 1851 Census.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1851 Census, Mull ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The 1851 Census for Mull has the family of Archibald Macmillan and Flora McIntyre living in Oskamull. District - Ulva and Geometra. Page. 76. House number 19. Archibald MacMillan, aged 64, lobsterman, born Kilninian & Kilmore (Interesting given that he cites his age as 60 for the HIES requirements in 1853). So his birth date would be 1887 - if this age in the census is to be believed. On the death certificate in 1871 - his age is cited as being 95 which means that he would have been born in 1776. Flora MacMillan, wife, aged 60, born Kilninian & Kilmore (Lobster fisher’s wife) Born about 1791. Christian MacMillan, aged 20, daughter (Born about 1831 in Ulva Argyllshire) John MacMillan, aged 18, son, lobsterman (Born about 1833 in Ulva Argyllshire) Alexander MacMillan, aged 12, son, lobsterman (Born about 1839 in Ulva Argyllshire) Angus McLean, aged 4, grandson (Born in about 1847 in Kilninian & Kilmore, Argyllshire) (It should be noted that Anne (29) mentioned in the HIES records is not mentioned in either the 1851 or 1841 Census.) My father's name was Neil McIntyre McMillan and it seemed that in his generation of the family there were lots of children given the names of someone from the family eg Neil McInyre McMillan, Hector McDonald McMillan, Colin Campbell McMillan. I have been looking for a Neil McIntyre as a result because I am almost 100% sure that he would be named after his McIntyre relative. Does any of this connect to your research? I am working in Samoa, but I come from Melbourne. Regards Libby McMillan (ongoing email - libbymcm@optusnet.com.au) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:17:44 +1100 > From: "Peter Robinson" <tworobbos@net-tech.com.au> > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McINTYRE > To: <SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00bb01c85fa0$1ca21710$53a44cca@PETER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi List > > Just joined. > > I am researching the background of Archibald McINTYRE, his wife > Flora, nee McLEAN and their children. > > Various sources indicate that Archibald and Flora would have married > around the mid 1830s but does not tell where. The 1841 census shows: > > Archibald and Flora, both aged 30 > Angus 6 > Mary 4 > Hector 2 > Archibald 1 month > > Information to date indicates that the children were born in either > Kilninian or Tobermory - but that is not entirely clear. > > The 1851 census shows: > > Archibald 40 > Flora 38 > Mary 14 > Hector 12 > Archibald 10 > John 8 > Christina 6 > Donald 4 > William 2 > > Angus does not appear in 1851. May have left home or has possibly > died. Strangely though, he does not appear as a child of this couple > on their death certificates. > > Later information states that all children after Archibald were born > in Ardnamurchan but not the precise location. Neither Donald nor > William survived childhood nor did a later sibling, George. There > was an even later child, a second William, who did. > > Archibald, a blacksmith, Flora, Mary, Hector, Archibald, John, > Christina and the second William migrated to Geelong, Victoria, > aboard the "Hornet", arriving in October 1854. > > I would love to hear from anyone with an interest in, or knowledge > of, this family. > > the older of the tworobbos at Bairnsdale, Victoria, OZ > > > > > Elizabeth McMillan (Samoa) AH - jeanolive@samoa.ws (+685 29585) BH - elizabeth_mcmillan@coffey.com (+685 29 832) (note there is no 'au' at the end of this address) Australian & ongoing contact details: Ongoing email: libbymcm@optusnet.com.au (gets me anytime, any place) PO Box 435, Elwood, Victoria 3184 Australia Tel: +61 3 9531 9372; Fax: +61 3 9531 9347 Harry Petras' mobile: +61 417 032 076 My mobile - when in Australia: +61 417 577 529 HARRY'S NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: hpetras@optusnet.com.au

Ida Thanks for responding to me. These Mull McDonald names fit with the names that I have obtained from elsewhere for the siblings of Marion who married Hector McDonald from Skye. So it looks like the same family. Also one of the properties in the area where they settled in Victoria was Gometra. I will contact the other two people who your state are connected to this family too. It is through Hector rather than Marion that I am connected - So I will see what their connection is and see if we can share any info. I have had some email exchanges with Michelle before. My new ongoing email is libbymcm@optusnet.com.au Regards Libby

Hi Libby These are speculation on my part as I mentioned I'm just sorting out the McDonalds I have Michele Giza-vink gizavink@hotmail.com and Neil at dugong1977@yahoo.com.au listed with connections here as well Ida 1851 Ulva Gometra McDonald Neil 22 Us lobsterman Kinlochspelvie Aug 7 1827 children of Donald McDonald & Catherine McQuarrie 1841 Balichloich Gometra Gometra McDonald Ann 20 Ud carter's Kinlochspelvie F Aug 30 1830 Gometra McDonald Malcolm 18 s lobsterman Kinlochspelvie Aug 13 1832 Gometra McDonald Mary 12 d Kinlochspelvie F Gometra McDonald Catharine 8 d Kinlochspelvie F Jul 26 1842 Gometra McDonald Christian 6 d Kinlochspelvie Gometra McQuarie Marion 92 w Kiln & Kilm McLean wife of Torquil??? 1841 Ulva Balichloich Gometra McDonald Donald 55 Crofter Y 5 M Balichloich Gometra McDonald Catharine 35 Y 5 F McQuarrie to Australia m Oct 3 1826 Balichloich Gometra McDonald Nile 12 ch 1851 Gometra with Maion (McLean) McQuarrie Y 5 M Aug 7 1827 Balichloich Gometra McDonald Euphemia 11 Y 5 F n/e Balichloich Gometra McDonald Ann 10 Y 5 F Aug 30 1830 Balichloich Gometra McDonald Malcolm 9 Y 5 M Aug 13 1832 Balichloich Gometra McDonald Margaret 7 Y 5 F n/e Balichloich Gometra McDonald Flora 5 Y 5 F Mar 17 1836 child listed with these as parents Male Apr 11 1839 Balichloich Gometra McDonald Mary 2 Y 5 F n/e Balichloich Gometra McDonald Marion 8mo. Y 5 F n/e Balichloich Gometra McKinnon Archibald 35 Decrepid Y 5 M Elizabeth McMillan wrote: >I recently put in a request to the list for anyone who might have a >connection to Catherine Macquarie who married Donald McDonald and had >a number of children including Marion who married Hector McDonald from >Stenschell Skye. My direct line is to Hector McDonald from Skye and >he married Marion in Branxholme in Victoria in 1867. > >Catherine was the daughter of Sarah McLean and Torquil Macquarie. > >I had no response - however, is this likely to be the same family >Macquarie family that is being discussed in the last few entries? I >don't know where in Mull this Catherine Macquarie and husband Donald >McDonald come from - although I have found one family in Iona in the >1867 census - does anyone,on reflection, have a connection to this >family? > >Regards to all >Libby McMillan > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Ian. I think that family in the census is a different one from the one I'm looking for. Donald MacDonald and Janet Fletcher had the following children (they may have had more, these are who I have so far): Coll b. @1826 Renfrew Janet b. @1828 Renfrew d. 1903 m. Allen McLean Margaret b. @1835 Renfrew d. 1873 m. John MacCormick John b. @1844 d. 1871 Janet is definitely shown as m.s. Fletcher on John's death certificate and on Margaret's death certificate. Thanks for your help. Linda -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:53 AM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDonald/Fletcher Hi, From Ida's posting :- >> Donald McDonald, Boat Carpenter, married, who d. aged 64 in Tob. 28April 1863 has no wife's name and no parents' names. I would suggest that this could be the above 1861 Tobermory District : 2 Page No : 5 House No : 26 Locality : Dulitting House Macdonald Donald 55 Head Boat Carpenter Parish of Coll Macdonald Janet 42 Wife Parish of Coll Macdonald Alexander 22 Son Boat Carpenter Parish of Coll Macdonald Flora 16 Son Parish of Coll Macdonald Jessie 14 Dau Scholar Parish of Coll Macdonald Malcolm 10 Son Scholar Parish of Coll Macdonald Ketty 8 Dau Scholar Tobermory Macdonald John 4 Son Tobermory Given that Janet would appear to be Janet McKinnon b abt 1819 Isle of Coll. Hope this helps. Ian Merle & Ida King wrote: > Hi Linda > > I'm presently going through the McDonalds from the IGI etc which is slow > going :-) > > I haven't came across Janet Fletchers death yet. If you care to share > the infor great. These might belong to your line > > Donald McDonald, Boat Carpenter, married, who d. aged 64 in Tob. 28 > April 1863 has no wife's name and no parents' names. > > Coll McDonald 22 July 1825, Tobermory C115444, 0629 parents Donald > McDonald and Janet Fletcher, > > Jane McLean or McDonald, widowed, died aged 75 on the 13th of December > 1903 at Fionphort, Bunessan. Her parents were Donald McDonald, carpenter > and Janet McDonald, M/N Janet Fletcher. Registered on the information of > William A. Sproat, Dep. Procurator Fiscal. > > John MacDonald, seaman, merchant service, single, died aged 27 on the > 20th of December 1871 at Tormore, Kilf. & Kilv. Parents > Donald MacDonald, ship carpenter, dec. and Janet MacDonald M/S Janet > Fletcher, dec. His cousin, John McCormick, present, signed. > > I wasn't able to turn up a birth/bapt for either Jane or John McDonald > so you might want to check out Glasgow for them as well. > Ida > > linda wrote: > > >> Donald McDonald ( @1799- 1863) and wife, Janet Fletcher (@1794-1868) had >> daughter Margaret McDonald (b.1838 Glasgow). The parents' birthdates are >> approx and calculated from ages at death. Margaret married John MacCormick >> in 1859 and their marriage record states that they were 2nd cousins. I'm >> trying to find that relationship. I have John's parents (John MacCormick and >> Margaret Black) and grandparents (Dugald MacCormick/Ann McLean and John >> Black/Catherine McMillan) but I'm having trouble finding Margaret's >> grandparents, >> >> >> >> Donald McDonald's death certificate doesn't show any parents at all and >> Janet's only shows her father (Archibald Fletcher). >> >> >> >> Anyone come across Donald McDonald and Janet Fletcher and have further >> information on them? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently put in a request to the list for anyone who might have a connection to Catherine Macquarie who married Donald McDonald and had a number of children including Marion who married Hector McDonald from Stenschell Skye. My direct line is to Hector McDonald from Skye and he married Marion in Branxholme in Victoria in 1867. Catherine was the daughter of Sarah McLean and Torquil Macquarie. I had no response - however, is this likely to be the same family Macquarie family that is being discussed in the last few entries? I don't know where in Mull this Catherine Macquarie and husband Donald McDonald come from - although I have found one family in Iona in the 1867 census - does anyone,on reflection, have a connection to this family? Regards to all Libby McMillan

Hi, From Ida's posting :- >> Donald McDonald, Boat Carpenter, married, who d. aged 64 in Tob. 28April 1863 has no wife's name and no parents' names. I would suggest that this could be the above 1861 Tobermory District : 2 Page No : 5 House No : 26 Locality : Dulitting House Macdonald Donald 55 Head Boat Carpenter Parish of Coll Macdonald Janet 42 Wife Parish of Coll Macdonald Alexander 22 Son Boat Carpenter Parish of Coll Macdonald Flora 16 Son Parish of Coll Macdonald Jessie 14 Dau Scholar Parish of Coll Macdonald Malcolm 10 Son Scholar Parish of Coll Macdonald Ketty 8 Dau Scholar Tobermory Macdonald John 4 Son Tobermory Given that Janet would appear to be Janet McKinnon b abt 1819 Isle of Coll. Hope this helps. Ian Merle & Ida King wrote: > Hi Linda > > I'm presently going through the McDonalds from the IGI etc which is slow > going :-) > > I haven't came across Janet Fletchers death yet. If you care to share > the infor great. These might belong to your line > > Donald McDonald, Boat Carpenter, married, who d. aged 64 in Tob. 28 > April 1863 has no wife's name and no parents' names. > > Coll McDonald 22 July 1825, Tobermory C115444, 0629 parents Donald > McDonald and Janet Fletcher, > > Jane McLean or McDonald, widowed, died aged 75 on the 13th of December > 1903 at Fionphort, Bunessan. Her parents were Donald McDonald, carpenter > and Janet McDonald, M/N Janet Fletcher. Registered on the information of > William A. Sproat, Dep. Procurator Fiscal. > > John MacDonald, seaman, merchant service, single, died aged 27 on the > 20th of December 1871 at Tormore, Kilf. & Kilv. Parents > Donald MacDonald, ship carpenter, dec. and Janet MacDonald M/S Janet > Fletcher, dec. His cousin, John McCormick, present, signed. > > I wasn't able to turn up a birth/bapt for either Jane or John McDonald > so you might want to check out Glasgow for them as well. > Ida > > linda wrote: > > >> Donald McDonald ( @1799- 1863) and wife, Janet Fletcher (@1794-1868) had >> daughter Margaret McDonald (b.1838 Glasgow). The parents' birthdates are >> approx and calculated from ages at death. Margaret married John MacCormick >> in 1859 and their marriage record states that they were 2nd cousins. I'm >> trying to find that relationship. I have John's parents (John MacCormick and >> Margaret Black) and grandparents (Dugald MacCormick/Ann McLean and John >> Black/Catherine McMillan) but I'm having trouble finding Margaret's >> grandparents, >> >> >> >> Donald McDonald's death certificate doesn't show any parents at all and >> Janet's only shows her father (Archibald Fletcher). >> >> >> >> Anyone come across Donald McDonald and Janet Fletcher and have further >> information on them? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Does anyone have info on Catherine McQuarrie b before 1760. She married Alex McDugal (McDougal) 1776 Kilninian. She was a sister of Ann McQuarrie who married Lachlan McQuarrie 16th of Ulva(1715-1818) . Known Children of Alex McDougall and Catherine(Kate) McQuarrie Duncan - 1777 Lauchlane - 1779 Ann - 1781 Janet - 1783 John - 1784 Charles abt 1795 - 1 Feb 1871 Tobermory Charles and his mother Kate are Craignure Inn in 1800s. Ref to Alex Catherine and Charles can be found in Jo Currie's book. Can anyone place any of above family McQuarrie or McDougall. Tricia

Hi Linda I'm presently going through the McDonalds from the IGI etc which is slow going :-) I haven't came across Janet Fletchers death yet. If you care to share the infor great. These might belong to your line Donald McDonald, Boat Carpenter, married, who d. aged 64 in Tob. 28 April 1863 has no wife's name and no parents' names. Coll McDonald 22 July 1825, Tobermory C115444, 0629 parents Donald McDonald and Janet Fletcher, Jane McLean or McDonald, widowed, died aged 75 on the 13th of December 1903 at Fionphort, Bunessan. Her parents were Donald McDonald, carpenter and Janet McDonald, M/N Janet Fletcher. Registered on the information of William A. Sproat, Dep. Procurator Fiscal. John MacDonald, seaman, merchant service, single, died aged 27 on the 20th of December 1871 at Tormore, Kilf. & Kilv. Parents Donald MacDonald, ship carpenter, dec. and Janet MacDonald M/S Janet Fletcher, dec. His cousin, John McCormick, present, signed. I wasn't able to turn up a birth/bapt for either Jane or John McDonald so you might want to check out Glasgow for them as well. Ida linda wrote: >Donald McDonald ( @1799- 1863) and wife, Janet Fletcher (@1794-1868) had >daughter Margaret McDonald (b.1838 Glasgow). The parents' birthdates are >approx and calculated from ages at death. Margaret married John MacCormick >in 1859 and their marriage record states that they were 2nd cousins. I'm >trying to find that relationship. I have John's parents (John MacCormick and >Margaret Black) and grandparents (Dugald MacCormick/Ann McLean and John >Black/Catherine McMillan) but I'm having trouble finding Margaret's >grandparents, > > > >Donald McDonald's death certificate doesn't show any parents at all and >Janet's only shows her father (Archibald Fletcher). > > > >Anyone come across Donald McDonald and Janet Fletcher and have further >information on them? > > > >Thanks! > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Donald McDonald ( @1799- 1863) and wife, Janet Fletcher (@1794-1868) had daughter Margaret McDonald (b.1838 Glasgow). The parents' birthdates are approx and calculated from ages at death. Margaret married John MacCormick in 1859 and their marriage record states that they were 2nd cousins. I'm trying to find that relationship. I have John's parents (John MacCormick and Margaret Black) and grandparents (Dugald MacCormick/Ann McLean and John Black/Catherine McMillan) but I'm having trouble finding Margaret's grandparents, Donald McDonald's death certificate doesn't show any parents at all and Janet's only shows her father (Archibald Fletcher). Anyone come across Donald McDonald and Janet Fletcher and have further information on them? Thanks!

Ida - Yes, I'll claim these too. Archibald MacLachlan was born 2 Apr 1868 in Tiree, illegitimate son of Marion MacLachlan and John McArthur(a labourer). Marion is the daughter of Donald and Annabella (McDonald) MacLachlan and was born 1832. I've found that it's not uncommon amongst illegitimate Mull folks to switch between their mum's and dad's surnames so I think that covers the McArthur bit. As for the McDonald - I can only assume that it was an error since the rest of the household is McDonald especially since Marion (his mum) is also shown as McDonald. I'll look into this a bit further. Mary Knox who is shown in 1881/1891 was the illegitimate daughter of Mary MacLachlan and Archibald Knox. She was born 3 Jul 1876 in Greenock. HTH Linda

Hi Ida & Linda, I could ask a similar question about my MCKINNONs (and I have done so a few times) because something funny sure seems to be up there too. MCARTHUR factors in there too. I'm beginning to think that some name changing was going on at that time, in Kilninian, and likely other places too. Why? Not sure, but my guess would be something to do with avoiding the government and other authority figures, perhaps after being dealt a bad hand during clearances previously. My great great grandparents, Archibald MCKINNON & Catherine MCARTHUR disappear from all records after appearing on the 1841 census at Burg, KLN, with 4 year old daughter, Catherine. No birth records of their sons, Donald or Neil (my great grandfather) born in 1840s. In 1851, Donald was still in Burg with MCARTHUR relatives ... where were the rest of them? A subsequent census ( it escapes me which one, right now) has both MCKINNON brothers working together, but lists them as MCARTHURs ... mistake or deliberate name change? Not sure. All 3 (known) MCKINNON offspring turn up on census & in marriage records etc., in the area, in the coming years, so obviously they did not move far away at all (no immigration etc.) That makes me think that their parents weren't too far away either ... so how did they avoid all further census? Stranger still, how did they avoid having their deaths recorded? Sounds to me like they were deliberately 'hiding' rather than being missed all those times. Mary

I believe these to be Linda Townes family. I'm wondering if you know who this Archibald McDonald/McLachlan/McArthur belongs to as he appers in 1871, 1881 as a McArthur, 1891 as a McLachlan and finally in 1901 as a McDonald If you can shed any light on him great. thanks Ida 1901 Ulva House and Smithy McDonald Charles 60 Head Blacksmith Argyll Kilfinichen and Kilvicheon 1 Mar 1851 Knocknafenaig KLF, 1861 Park House Iona, 1871 North Bay KLF 1881, 1891 Balligown KLN, House and Smithy McDonald Catherine 48 Wife Argyll Kilfinichen and Kilvicheon 1 Mar McLachlan House and Smithy McDonald Jessie 21 Dau Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore 1 Single House and Smithy McDonald Charles 18 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore 1 Single House and Smithy McDonald Neil 16 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore 1 Single House and Smithy McDonald Marion 60 Sister in law Argyll Kilfinichen and Kilvicheon 1 Single House and Smithy McDonald Archibald 32 Nephew Blacksmith Argyll Tiree 1 Single 1871, 1881 as McArthur 1891 as McLachlan 1891 KLN Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Charles 47 Head Blacksmith & crofter Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Mar 1851 Knocknafenaig KLF, 1861 Park House Iona, 1871 North Bay KLF 1881 Balligown KLN, Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Catherine 44 Wife Smiths' wife Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Mar McLachlan Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Donald 17 Son Smiths' son Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 UnMar Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Annabella 16 Dau Smiths' daughter Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 UnMar Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Margaret 15 Dau Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Hugh 13 Son Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Jessie 12 Dau Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McDonald John 10 Son Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Charles 8 Son Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McDonald Neil 7 Son Scholar Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Balligown (Cottage) McLachlan Annabella 84 Mother in law Smiths' mother in law Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 Widow McDonald husb Donald 1841 Airglass Iona, 1851 Smith House Iona, 1861 Loch Head Iona, 1871 North Bay KLF Balligown (Cottage) McLachlan Marion 56 Sister in law Smiths' sister in law Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 UnMar Balligown (Cottage) McLachlan Margaret 42 Sister in law Table Maid Domestic (Unemployed) Argyllshire KLN & KLM 7 UnMar Balligown (Cottage) McLachlan Archibald 23 Nephew Blacksmith Argyllshire Tyree 7 UnMar both 1871, 1881 has him as McArthur Balligown (Cottage) Knox Mary 16 Niece Scholar Renfrewshire Greenock 7 1881 KLN Farm House McLachlan Donald 75 Head Smith & Crofter Kilfinichen, Argyll, Scotland 8 M 1841 Airglass Iona, 1851 Smith House Iona, 1861 Loch Head Iona, 1871 North Bay KLF Annabella 70 McDonald, 1891 Balligown KLN Farm House McArthur Archd. 13 Grand Son Scholar Coll, Argyll, Scotland 8 M Farm House McDonald Charles 32 Son In Law Smith Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland 8 M 1851 Knocknafenaig KLF, 1861 Park House Iona, 1871 North Bay KLF 1891 Balligown KLN, Farm House McDonald Catherine 30 Daur Smiths Wife Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland 8 F McLachlan Farm House McDonald Elsie 10 Grand Daur Scholar Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland 8 F Farm House McDonald Donald 8 Grand Son Scholar Kilninian & Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland 8 M Farm House McDonald Annabella 6 Grand Daur Scholar Kilninian & Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland 8 F Farm House McDonald Margaret 5 Grand Daur Scholar Kilninian & Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland 8 F 1871 KLF 10 North Bay MacDonald Charles 28 Head Blacksmith (Journeyman) Kilfinichen, Argyllshire Mar 1851 Knocknafenaig KLF, 1861 Park House Iona, 1881 Balligown KLN, 10 North Bay MacDonald Catherine 26 Wife Iona, Argyllshire Mar McLachlan d/o below couple 10 North Bay MacLachlan Donald 65 Head Blacksmith (Master) Kilfinichen, Argyllshire Mar 1841 Airglass Iona, 1851 Smith House Iona, 1861 Loch Head Iona 10 North Bay MacLachlan Anabella 63 Wife Kilfinichen, Argyllshire Mar McDonald 10 North Bay MacLachlan Marion 32 Daughter Dressmaker Kilfinichen, Argyllshire Unmar 10 North Bay MacLachlan Margaret 23 Daughter Dressmaker Iona, Argyllshire Unmar 10 North Bay MacArthur Archibald 3 Grandson Tyree, Argyllshire

Hi Julia and Trica, Many thanks for information. Whilst I take your point about John and Colin looking similar in 'old' handwriting, in the 1861 census Colin is as clear a day. Absolutely no chance of any misinterpretation. Can only think that the enumerator must have been on the pop (or something stronger) when he recorded this entry. The handwriting for this part of the census just happens to be one of the clearest pages out of all the many census pages that I have transcribed. Regards, Ian

Hi Ian & Julia Ian As Julia says the 2 John & Colin look similar when handwritten. >From Argyll microfiche IGI John Currie b13 Aug 1847 c24 Sep 1847 to Duncan Currie and Sarah MacDougall. Kinlochspelvie, Argyll, Scotland C115452 1842-1854. 1851 1871 census show this John and as no Colin in either I believe the entry in 1861 to be an error. Julia. Sarah was a McDougall 1813 app to John McDougal and Marrion/Sarah Lamont. Torosay. (there is a Marion b 1813 so imagine this is Sarah). Will check Sarah's death cert later. A sister of Sarah -Mary b 1798 married Duncan Livingstone 1822 Torosay. - I still wonder if we will get our MacDougal families to link - we must be getting closer. I must check back your data wand perhaps do an exchange again soon. Tricia

Hi Tricia, I have just checked the original film for 1861 Kinlochspelvie which clearly shows Colin as aged 13. The strange thing is that Ancestory.co.uk shows Colin as John. I'm real puzzled as 1851 shows a John aged 3 that would fit with John being 13 in 1861. John appears in the 1871 census as 23 so the balance of probability would have it that Colin is John but what an error. Might I ask the source of John's birth. Ian

Entry on MullGenealogy - census 1861 1861 Kinlochspelvie District : 1 Page No : 12 House No : 51 Locality : No 1 Portfield 18614051 Currie Duncan 49 Head Crofter Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Sarah 46 Wife Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Mary 60 Sister Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Colin 13 Son Scholar Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Hugh 11 Son Scholar Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Duncan 9 Son Scholar Argyll Kinlochspelvie Currie Sarah 5 Dau Scholar Argyll Kinlochspelvie I believe Colin aged 13 should read John aged 13. John was born 24 Sep 1847. Sarah C aged 46 is Sarah McDougall and in 1841 census with her McDougall siblings at 1841 Kinlochspelvie District No : 3 Page No : 6 House No : 26 Locality : Crogan 18414062 1861 above at No3 Portfield were Sarah's siblings and No 2 Portfield had Duncan Currie's brother Hector and fam. Anyone else researching this line. Thanks for the data on the site - it is just so helpful for researching. Tricia

Too bad...thought that might be an easy solution to the problem... Cheers Julia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Currie - McDougall Kinlochspelvie. > Hi Julia and Trica, > > Many thanks for information. > > Whilst I take your point about John and Colin looking similar in 'old' > handwriting, in the 1861 census Colin is as clear a day. Absolutely no > chance of any misinterpretation. Can only think that the enumerator must > have been on the pop (or something stronger) when he recorded this entry. > > The handwriting for this part of the census just happens to be one of > the clearest pages out of all the many census pages that I have > transcribed. > > Regards, > > Ian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cam & Margaret Thanks both for the replies re the Mary McDonald/McQuarrie ? I decided to investigate the Susan Sinclair Cam mentioned. I found these in the Poorhouse in 1881.. If anyone knows who the Mull residents are PLEASE copy them out of this posting and send the list the details. thanks Ida Institution: "Lorn Combination Poorhouse" Soroba Rd Census Place: Kilmore & Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 523 EnumDist 6 Page 42 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George SINCLAIR M 42 M Thurso, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: House Governor Susan Miller SINCLAIR M 51 F Boness, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Matron Susan Wilson SINCLAIR 5 F Sunderland, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Alexander SINCLAIR 2 M Sunderland, England Rel: Son Georgina SINCLAIR 1 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Daur Institution: "Lorn Combination Poorhouse" Soroba Rd Census Place: Kilmore & Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 523 EnumDist 6 Page 42 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Mary CAMPBELL U 30 F Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Cook Domestic Servt Colina MC INTYRE U 22 F Craignish, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Housemaid Dom Serv Peter MC DOUGALL U 74 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Shoemaker Samuel MC DOUGALL U 70 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Shoemaker Malcolm MC COLL W 70 M Kilchrenan, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant Archd. MC DONALD U 75 M Appin, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Agricultural Labourer Dugald MC LACHLAN W 60 M Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant Alexander MC LACHLAN M 26 M Appin, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Shepherd Solomon MC COLL W 67 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Masons Labourer Murdoch MC KENZIE U 34 M Elfin, Sutherland, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant George MC ADAM U 23 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant Charles EMSLIE U 64 M West Parish, Aberdeen, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Joiner Alexander MC PHAIL U 80 M Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Agricultural Labourer Donald MAY U 26 M Kilbrandon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Quarry Labourer Neil MC CALLUM W 73 M Muckairn, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Agricultural Labourer Roderick MC DOWALD U 39 M Skye, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Brewery Labourer Donald MC DOWALD U 45 M Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Shepherd Malcolm MOFFATT U 28 M Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Grocers Assistant Duncan MC TAVISH U 53 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Drapers Clerk John MC KILLOP U 75 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Quarry Labourer Institution: "Lorn Combination Poorhouse" Soroba Rd Census Place: Kilmore & Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 523 EnumDist 6 Page 43 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Peter MC GREGOR M 68 M Glenorchy, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Woodman James MC LACHLAN U 66 M Kilbrandon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant Colin CAMPBELL U 68 M Glenorchy, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Sailor Sailing Ship Archd. GREER W 64 M Muckairn, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant Nicol DOUGLAS U 58 M Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Coachman Archd. MC TAVISH M 70 M Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Shoemaker William BRIGHTON W 67 M Glassford, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Stone Mason John MC PHERSON U 72 M Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Farm Servant John CAMPBELL U 84 M Kilninver, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Handicap: Deaf Occ: Boat Builder Donald MC KENZIE W 90 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Ship Captain James MC DOUGALL U 80 M Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Handicap: Blind Occ: Agricultural Labourer Charles MURRAY W 54 M Skye, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Deep Sea Pilot Duncan MC DOUGALL W 86 M Jura, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Stone Mason John CONNOLLEY M 78 M Ireland Rel: Patient Occ: Coal Miner Alexander KENNEDY U 19 M Lochalsh, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Seaman Dond. CARMICHAEL U 22 M Kilninver, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Stone Mason Dond. TURNER U 34 M Kilchrennan, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Agricultural Labourer John LAWSON U 45 M Kilmelford, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Agricultural Labourer Dond. MC PHERSON W 67 M Kilbrandon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Quarry Labourer John MC LELLAN U 51 M Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Masons Labourer Donald MC INNES U 74 M Fort William Kilmallie Rel: Patient Occ: Cooper Dond. MC LACHLAN W 53 M Kilbrandon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Masons Labourer James CAMPBELL 9 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar Jane MC MILLAN W 84 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Domestic Servant Margt. Mc Dougall MC LACHLAN M 27 F Tobermoray, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dairymaid Domestic Servt Institution: "Lorn Combination Poorhouse" Soroba Rd Census Place: Kilmore & Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 523 EnumDist 6 Page 44 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Janet CONNELL U 74 F Kilmore, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Domestic Servt Jane Campbell MC INNIES W 59 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Domestic Servt Ann MC CALLUM U 67 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dressmaker Mary STEWART U 32 F Appin, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Housemaid Domestic Servt Ann NORRIS W 66 F France Rel: Patient Occ: Domestic Servant Margt. Reed MC COLL W 46 F Portugal Rel: Patient Occ: Kitchen Maid Domestic Servt Ann GRANT U 90 F Strathspey, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dairymaid Dom Serv Catherine MC CALLUM U 37 F Fort William Kilmallie Rel: Patient Handicap: Blind Occ: Tablemaid Dom Serv Mary MC COLL W 71 F Dunblane, Perth, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dairymaid Dom Servt Ann DOUGLAS W 74 F Glenorchy, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Dom Serv Ann McIntyre MUIR W 74 F Inishail, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: General Servant Mary MC GREGOR U 59 F Lismore, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dairymaid Domestic Servt Christina MC TAVISH W 80 F Benderloch, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Dom Serv J.E. Livingstone MC INTYRE W 66 F Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dressmaker Sarah MC PHAIL U 58 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dressmaker Ann MC CORQUODALE U 27 F Muckairn, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: General Servant Christina MC LEAN U 26 F Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Housemaid Cat. CAMPBELL U 44 F Ardchattan, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Dairymaid Christina MC GILLIVERAY U 48 F Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Handicap: Imbecile Ann Mc Donald FLETCHER W 66 F Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: General Servant Margt. MUNROE W 59 F Luing, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Laundrymaid Domestic Servt Catherine MC KILLOP U 50 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: General Servant Catherine MC KILLOP U 51 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: General Servant Mary Cameron MC CULLOCH W 59 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Cook Domestic Servant Sarah MC INTOSH 11 F Kilninver, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar Institution: "Lorn Combination Poorhouse" Soroba Rd Census Place: Kilmore & Kilbride, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203558 GRO Ref Volume 523 EnumDist 6 Page 45 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann MC ALPINE 8 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar Mary COWAN 9 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar Christina COWAN 12 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Handicap: Imbecile Margt. MC CORQUINDALE 1 F Craignish, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Jessie Ann MC LACHLAN 6 F Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar Robt. Alexr. MC LACHLAN 1 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient John MC LEAN 1 M Glenelg, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Patient Duncan MC LACHLAN 8 M Oban, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Patient Occ: Scholar cam millar wrote: > >Hello Margaret, > >Sorry you have been to so much trouble! My curiosity led me to investigate myself a few days ago and I found a death for Ann McDonald aged about 70 similarly an occupant of the Lorne Combination Poorhouse registered by a friend one Susie Sinclair but devoid of any parental data. This death was in March 1892 and as she was not on the 1901 Census I assume it to be correct. By 1901 her daughter Mary Ann had baptised her own daughter Ann McQ. McDonald which would seem appropriate. > >None of this is very helpful to Ida to establish Ann McQuarrie's parentage. > > Cam Millar. >---------------------------------------- > >>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:18:58 +0000 >>From: mmjm.murray@virgin.net >>To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mary McDonald / McQuarrie >> >>Hello again Cambell, >> >>Further to my earlier reply re Mary McDonald/McQuarrie, having parents John >>McDonald/ Ann McNeill. Had a further check on 'Scotlandspeople' just out of >>interest and found a baptism for her on 9th April 1826 to John McDonald in >>Ardvaingness, Kilfinichen / Kilvickeon, and Ann McNeil. Their lawful >>daughter baptzd.( opr births, 542/0020/0054) >>Also couldn't find a marriage for John McDonald / Ann McNeill (any >>spellings) in OPR's. Anytime/anywhere. >>Only 2 marriages in OPR's 1780-1854 (anywhere) for a John McDonald marrying >>a McNeill/ McNeil, but no Ann/Anne/Mary/Mary Ann/ Mary Anne. Whittled them >>down to 1792, and 1824 though. The 1824 one is to a Jean McNeil and takes >>place in Glasgow (25 / 6/1824) >> >>Margaret. >>