Hello Elizabeth - I too am interested in the Mull Clearances. I see that Kim responded to you with a suggested book. I would also like to know its name if it is about the Clearances. I should say that I do have John Prebble's book The Highland Clearances, which is good, but not specifically about Mull. - Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth McMillan" <libbymcm@tpg.com.au> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:56 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McCormick (McMillan-McIntyre) connection > Hi Kim > > Thanks for looking up the book for me. I do have that book in > Australia

Re: Effie - or Euphemia - a substitution in English for the Gaelic name "Oighrig " - which sounds a little bit little bit like "Eric" for the second "g" has a hard sound and the first "g" with "h" is virtually unsounded - Euphemia is really a Greek name for "well-spoken" but is not a translation of Oighrig. Jim St.Clair

Hi Ian, Congratulations to you all on your new arrival. Ellen.

Hi Malcolm, The first official census was in 1841. The Duke of Argyll held a census of his own lands in 1779 but this was not to the same standard as the 1841 census in that the names of most females where not recorded. Most entries were along the style 'Wife and two daughters'. Male ages were recorded but again very few female. There were counts conducted on other dates but these are of little use. Ian

Hi Libby and Hi to the group, Having read this message, I decided to look up this name in Jo Currie's " Mull Family Names for Ancestor Hunters" that I just had ordered into my local library (Worcestershire). It says that some Mull MacMillans were known as McIivoils in the 18th C records-and they were fairly sparse around Mull at this time- Arle,Achronich, Treshnish,Arin, Iona,Tir Fhearagain and Ardchoirk. She mentions Archibald McMillan and Flora McIntyre - both born in kilninian parish -1790ish- lived on the Strathallan estate at Oskamull - went on the New Zealander( as you stated) with Ann-29, Christian-27,John-23,Alexander-18. I will have the book for a couple of weeks if anyone else wants any info- though many of you probably have the book already- Bye - Kim --- Elizabeth McMillan <jeanolive@samoa.ws> wrote: > Hi June > > Re: 'Strange Name' & McCormick connection: > > I have read your emails on the Mull list in relation > to the given name > of your relative. There is no doubt that the > transcribing of names is > often inaccurate and also the scribe who wrote it > down originally, may > have misheard or not understood. Someone once told > me that the census > takers did not always visit the village and relied > on second hand > information to fill in their forms - which is a > further complication. > > I have often sent messages to the list and so you > may recall my name > from time to time. I keep trying to make > connections with others, but > no luck so far ... > > On this occasion, I noted your McCormick connection > and the name - > John Angus. My grandfather was John Angus McMillan > and my father had a > brother named John Angus McMillan. > > His father (ie my gg grandfather) was John Angus > McMillan - born in > Mull (Ulva Parish). > > This John Angus McMillan's parents were Archibald > McMillan and Flora > McIntyre - who were both born in Mull, but died in > Victoria Australia. > > Archibald and Flora McMillan came to Victoria in > 1853 on the New > Zealander. Both have Christina McCormick listed on > their death > certificates as their mother. Their children were: > Marrion 'Sarah', > Mary, Angus, John, Alexander, Ann, Christy. > > Regards > Libby McMillan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

There are several people in the history of the Islands with the name Vere. The Hon. George Vere Hobart, Lt. Governor of Canada (d.1802) married Janet (Jessie) Maclean Maclean, daughter of Alexander Maclean of Coll (1753-1835) and Catherine Cameron (1756-1802). They had a daughter who was Lady Vere Hobart (1803-1835) who married Capt Donald Cameron of Lochiel. Sir Harry Aubrey de Vere Maclean, KCMG (b.1848) was the eldest son of Dr. Andrew Maclean (1812-1908) and Clara Harrison (see Jo Currie, 'Island' p.428). Sir Harry had a son Andrew de Vere Maclean (b.1882) who like his father went into the army. Donald McIlhagga.

Congratulations to the happy couple and all the best of luck to them and baby Clara. Hope all is going great with you and your are keeping your vacations to Mull. I still haven't been able to go through all the papers I scribbled down while in Scotland and Ireland as I am in the middle of a huge Dutch project going the genealogy on all the settlers that came here startiing in 1948- I figure it will be approximately 150 families or more. Our opening is the 3rd. of May so doubt if they will all be done in time. Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] New Arrival > Jon and Hazel are pleased to announce the safe arrival of 8lbs 2oz (369 > grams) Clara Evelyn Jennifer at 13.21 GMT today (Saturday) at Bristol. > > Mum, dad, baby and proud new grandparents are doing well. Mum and dad > are having a well earned rest. Jon tells me he has not slept for two > nights. I've told him that he will have to get used to this. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Listers - from sunny and hot Samoa (Sunday here today - as we are over the date line from Australia) My third email to the list for today! I am wondering, if someone can provide me with some sources of reading on the clearances in Mull and in particular on Lord Strathallan who is listed against the McMillan family's HIES records (New Zealander 1853). Oskamull must have been part of that estate. Is there a map that shows the estate? Regards Libby McMillan

Dear Listers Does anyone have a good 'internet based' source of information on the Free Church in Mull. Is is possible that if people were members of the Free Church, their records would not appear in Parish records? One story about my family is that because of their membership of the Free Church, they wanted to leave to ensure their religious freedom and they certainly belonged to the Free Church in Vic Australia, when they came. Their motivation is oral history only, and not known by many members of the family - so there may be no truth in the matter. Regards Libby McMillan

Hi Kim Thanks for looking up the book for me. I do have that book in Australia - but as you can see by the contact details that I mistakenly left attached to my message yesterday, I am in Samoa. I have tried the alternate names for McMillan - but am pleased that you have reminded me of this again - and will do so again, with Scotlandspeople, It seems that by the time the census (1841 and 1851) were operating, the McMillan name was the preferred name. The birth dates of Archibald and Flora McMillan (nee McIntyre) are interesting - as the dates that I have relate to the 1841 & 1851 census records, the HIES records (noting that there was a cut off age of 60, so miraculously,they were both 69 in 1853) and the death certificates in Australia. I am going to do some more searching on Scotlandspeople for their (ie Archibald McMillan and Flora McIntyre) birth records. Sometimes, I see a clue in a message that someone has listed and when I write, they discount the potentialconnection often because of the location in Mull - but now having some (albeit limited) familiarity with Mull and its villages, I am sure that people moved around and distances were not great. Nonetheless, I am sure that there must be a way to connect the dots between a number of these McMillan families - as the naming pattern in that number of them is the same - suggesting shared antecedents.So I will keep looking, and appreciate you taking the time to look for me. It seems like there are very few people on this list searching for McMillan family members. So this means that the benefits of the synergies of people's effort is not happening for me - but one day ... someone will connect to this list and we will be connected! I live in hope! Thanks again for bothering to respond to my email - I have written so often, with no breakthroughs as yet - so any ideas are most welcome. Best wishes Libby McMillan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 10:31:52 +0000 (GMT) > From: Tuesday Smith-Chamberlain <tkschamberlain@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McCormick (McMillan-McIntyre connection) > To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <802237.49246.qm@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Libby and Hi to the group, > > Having read this message, I decided to look up this > name in Jo Currie's " Mull Family Names for Ancestor > Hunters" that I just had ordered into my local library > (Worcestershire). It says that some Mull MacMillans > were known as McIivoils in the 18th C records-and they > were fairly sparse around Mull at this time- > Arle,Achronich, Treshnish,Arin, Iona,Tir Fhearagain > and Ardchoirk. > > She mentions Archibald McMillan and Flora McIntyre > - both born in kilninian parish -1790ish- lived on the > Strathallan estate at Oskamull - went on the New > Zealander( as you stated) with Ann-29, > Christian-27,John-23,Alexander-18. > I will have the book for a couple of weeks if anyone > else wants any info- though many of you probably have > the book already- > Bye - Kim > > --- Elizabeth McMillan <jeanolive@samoa.ws> wrote: > >> Hi June >> >> Re: 'Strange Name' & McCormick connection: >> >> I have read your emails on the Mull list in relation >> to the given name >> of your relative. There is no doubt that the >> transcribing of names is >> often inaccurate and also the scribe who wrote it >> down originally, may >> have misheard or not understood. Someone once told >> me that the census >> takers did not always visit the village and relied >> on second hand >> information to fill in their forms - which is a >> further complication. >> >> I have often sent messages to the list and so you >> may recall my name >> from time to time. I keep trying to make >> connections with others, but >> no luck so far ... >> >> On this occasion, I noted your McCormick connection >> and the name - >> John Angus. My grandfather was John Angus McMillan >> and my father had a >> brother named John Angus McMillan. >> >> His father (ie my gg grandfather) was John Angus >> McMillan - born in >> Mull (Ulva Parish). >> >> This John Angus McMillan's parents were Archibald >> McMillan and Flora >> McIntyre - who were both born in Mull, but died in >> Victoria Australia. >> >> Archibald and Flora McMillan came to Victoria in >> 1853 on the New >> Zealander. Both have Christina McCormick listed on >> their death >> certificates as their mother. Their children were: >> Marrion 'Sarah', >> Mary, Angus, John, Alexander, Ann, Christy. >> >> Regards >> Libby McMillan >>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:24 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] New Arrival > Jon and Hazel are pleased to announce the safe arrival of 8lbs 2oz (369 > grams) Clara Evelyn Jennifer at 13.21 GMT today (Saturday) at Bristol. > > Mum, dad, baby and proud new grandparents are doing well. Mum and dad > are having a well earned rest. Jon tells me he has not slept for two > nights. I've told him that he will have to get used to this. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ida, Thanks for message. Clara's heritage and genealogy sessions start next week. First trip to Mull is possibly in September. Ian

Ian I have both males and females named Avery in one of my scottish families - but then I have a number of males named Moira! :-) jay Ian Phillips wrote: > Hi June, > > I discounted 'Avery' as it's classified as male. No trace of 'Every' as > foremane as whatsinaname.net. > > No snow here. Far to far south. > > Ian > > June Ridgeway wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Can anyone shed any light on this very odd name? >> >> The census entry looks like "Edery", her birth certificate says "Uere", and Ancestry.co.uk has it as "Eary". >> >> She was born abt 1857. Parents are John McCormick, bapt. 8 Dec 1811, >> and Catherine Cameron, and siblings are:- James, b abt 1847 John, 1 Jun 1849 Maria Alexandria, 22 Jul 1851 Mary b. abt 1852 Marrion b.abt 1854 John Angus b. abt 1859 >> >> All suggestions gratefully received! >> >> June. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Share what Santa brought you >> https://www.mycooluncool.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Sorry Libby, I can't really help. I personally have McCormick relatives but they are all from the Creich area and the reason I was looking for info on John Angus and his family is because I am doing a bit of resaerch on the families from Kintra. Good luck with your search. June > From: jeanolive@samoa.ws> To: SCT-ISLEOFMULL@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 11:58:39 -1100> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McCormick (McMillan-McIntyre connection)> > Hi June> > Re: 'Strange Name' & McCormick connection:> > I have read your emails on the Mull list in relation to the given name > of your relative. There is no doubt that the transcribing of names is > often inaccurate and also the scribe who wrote it down originally, may > have misheard or not understood. Someone once told me that the census > takers did not always visit the village and relied on second hand > information to fill in their forms - which is a further complication.> > I have often sent messages to the list and so you may recall my name > from time to time. I keep trying to make connections with others, but > no luck so far ...> > On this occasion, I noted your McCormick connection and the name - > John Angus. My grandfather was John Angus McMillan and my father had a > brother named John Angus McMillan.> > His father (ie my gg grandfather) was John Angus McMillan - born in > Mull (Ulva Parish).> > This John Angus McMillan's parents were Archibald McMillan and Flora > McIntyre - who were both born in Mull, but died in Victoria Australia.> > Archibald and Flora McMillan came to Victoria in 1853 on the New > Zealander. Both have Christina McCormick listed on their death > certificates as their mother. Their children were: Marrion 'Sarah', > Mary, Angus, John, Alexander, Ann, Christy.> > Regards> Libby McMillan> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

June How about Avery or Every?? jay June Ridgeway wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone shed any light on this very odd name? > > The census entry looks like "Edery", her birth certificate says "Uere", and Ancestry.co.uk has it as "Eary". > > She was born abt 1857. Parents are John McCormick, bapt. 8 Dec 1811, > and Catherine Cameron, and siblings are:- James, b abt 1847 John, 1 Jun 1849 Maria Alexandria, 22 Jul 1851 Mary b. abt 1852 Marrion b.abt 1854 John Angus b. abt 1859 > > All suggestions gratefully received! > > June. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share what Santa brought you > https://www.mycooluncool.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

> Dear Robbo (the Older) We communicated in the last week or so - about our families. I do not have any parental info for Flora McMillan (nee McIntyre) - other than that which was on her death certificate - ie Mother - Christina McCormack and Father - Angus McIntyre. Given that a person named Christina McCormack is also listed as her mother-in-law on her husband's (Archibald McMillan) death certificate, it makes me wonder if the name is correct or if the memory of those who reported the deaths was not accurate. So perhaps she is the mother of either Flora McMillan (nee Mcintyre) or her husband Archibald McMillan - or perhaps there are tow women and they have the same name! Archibald McMillan and his wife Flora (nee McIntyre) travelled to Portland on the New Zealander in 1853. I have often wondered if there were any more McIntyre family members either in and around Portland - who arrived prior to or followed out Flora and her husband. I have no other info on her parents - other than that from the death certificate. I cannot find any records in the census in Mull that assist me. I think that we should keep in contact as a result of the similar given names, suggesting that their might be a connection. Best wishes Libby > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 16:33:05 +1100 > From: "Peter Robinson" <tworobbos@net-tech.com.au> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McCormick (McMillan-McIntyre connection) > To: <sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <007501c86626$41016520$53a44cca@PETER> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Elizabeth > > Do you perchance have any parentage information on Flora McIntyre? I'm > currently researching my brother-in-law's McIntyre family. His great > grandfather, Archibald McIntyre, wife Flora, nee McLean, and six > children > arrived in Vic aboard the "Hornet" in October 1854. > > Archibald, we think, was baptised at Ruaig, Mull, in August 1801, > son of > John McIntyre and Mary McLean. Archibald, as above, also married a > McLean in > March 1835 at Kilninian. > > Cheers > > the older of the tworobbos > Elizabeth McMillan (Samoa) AH - jeanolive@samoa.ws (+685 29585) BH - elizabeth_mcmillan@coffey.com (+685 29 832) (note there is no 'au' at the end of this address) Australian & ongoing contact details: Ongoing email: libbymcm@optusnet.com.au (gets me anytime, any place) PO Box 435, Elwood, Victoria 3184 Australia Tel: +61 3 9531 9372; Fax: +61 3 9531 9347 Harry Petras' mobile: +61 417 032 076 My mobile - when in Australia: +61 417 577 529 HARRY'S NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: hpetras@optusnet.com.au

Ian, CONGRATULATIONS! -- and a lovely name too! All the best, June > Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 17:24:44 +0000> From: ian.phillips@ukonline.co.uk> To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] New Arrival> > Jon and Hazel are pleased to announce the safe arrival of 8lbs 2oz (369 > grams) Clara Evelyn Jennifer at 13.21 GMT today (Saturday) at Bristol.> > Mum, dad, baby and proud new grandparents are doing well. Mum and dad > are having a well earned rest. Jon tells me he has not slept for two > nights. I've told him that he will have to get used to this.> > Ian> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com

Congratulations! -----Original Message----- From: sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-isleofmull-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Phillips Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 12:25 PM To: sct-isleofmull@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] New Arrival Jon and Hazel are pleased to announce the safe arrival of 8lbs 2oz (369 grams) Clara Evelyn Jennifer at 13.21 GMT today (Saturday) at Bristol. Mum, dad, baby and proud new grandparents are doing well. Mum and dad are having a well earned rest. Jon tells me he has not slept for two nights. I've told him that he will have to get used to this. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLEOFMULL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jon and Hazel are pleased to announce the safe arrival of 8lbs 2oz (369 grams) Clara Evelyn Jennifer at 13.21 GMT today (Saturday) at Bristol. Mum, dad, baby and proud new grandparents are doing well. Mum and dad are having a well earned rest. Jon tells me he has not slept for two nights. I've told him that he will have to get used to this. Ian

Hi June John McCormick Dec 18 1811 who m's Catherine Cameron has Vere McCormick regst Jan 16 1856 in KLF C115421, 0057 and John Angus is Jan 11 1859 KLF 7011209, 7 Eons ago this given name Vere was discussed on the list. I don't think any consensus came of it. Sorry Ida June Ridgeway wrote: >Hi all, > >Can anyone shed any light on this very odd name? > >The census entry looks like "Edery", her birth certificate says "Uere", and Ancestry.co.uk has it as "Eary". > >She was born abt 1857. Parents are John McCormick, bapt. 8 Dec 1811, >and Catherine Cameron, and siblings are:- James, b abt 1847 John, 1 Jun 1849 Maria Alexandria, 22 Jul 1851 Mary b. abt 1852 Marrion b.abt 1854 John Angus b. abt 1859 > >All suggestions gratefully received! > >June. > > >