Margaret - that was quick, well done IGI also has dau Catherine bap 23 May 1822 Linda - as Margaret says, error or two couples Will add a note to this effect Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took > place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the > entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during > transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although > their > first child is mentioned as born 1825. > > Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the > 11 January 1823 > John McCormick born 20 May 1825 > Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 > Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 > Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 > Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 > Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 > No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to > a > Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 > couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for > either couple at the time only this later mention. > Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the > marriage of the parents. > > Margaret (Melrose) > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello all. >> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >> baptism, correct? >> >> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 >> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >> >> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >> >> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site >> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >> >> >> Thoughts? Thanks! >> >> Linda >> >> -- >> Linda MacCormick Towne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda I also have a dau Catherine bap 1822 Perhaps the marriage date was 11 Jan 1820 ? As you guess, 'lawful' would mean being born of wedlocked parents. On occasions, two identically-named couples will crop up, and could also be the case I think the marriage OPR should be checked in this case. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:07 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > Hello all. > In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or > daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the > baptism, correct? > > I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 > Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 > > Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at > the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? > > I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site > (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the > Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. > > > Thoughts? Thanks! > > Linda > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Elaine - I'll search the archives and also have a look in Ontario. It always helps to know where in Ontario to look for 'missing' people. Linda On 7/30/2011 9:10 AM, Elaine Robinson wrote: > Hi > Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this > couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret > McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only member > of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin > Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as I > have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in Erin > beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who is > descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am pretty > sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails > from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and that > plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the fall to > get back to them. Hope this helps a little. > > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: margaret murray > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took > place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the > entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during > transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although their > first child is mentioned as born 1825. > > Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the > 11 January 1823 > John McCormick born 20 May 1825 > Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 > Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 > Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 > Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 > Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 > No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to a > Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 > couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for > either couple at the time only this later mention. > Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the > marriage of the parents. > > Margaret (Melrose) > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne<[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello all. >> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >> baptism, correct? >> >> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 >> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >> >> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >> >> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site >> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >> >> >> Thoughts? Thanks! >> >> Linda >> >> -- >> Linda MacCormick Towne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Linda MacCormick Towne

Thank you Margaret. Possibly two couple or an error in the records - I'll tag my notes that it needs further research. Linda On 7/30/2011 3:36 AM, margaret murray wrote: > The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took > place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the > entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during > transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although their > first child is mentioned as born 1825. > > Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the > 11 January 1823 > John McCormick born 20 May 1825 > Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 > Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 > Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 > Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 > Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 > No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to a > Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 > couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for > either couple at the time only this later mention. > Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the > marriage of the parents. > > Margaret (Melrose) > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne<[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello all. >> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >> baptism, correct? >> >> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 >> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >> >> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >> >> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site >> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >> >> >> Thoughts? Thanks! >> >> Linda >> >> -- >> Linda MacCormick Towne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Linda MacCormick Towne

Hi Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only member of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as I have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in Erin beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who is descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am pretty sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and that plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the fall to get back to them. Hope this helps a little. Elaine Robinson Georgetown Ontario -----Original Message----- From: margaret murray Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although their first child is mentioned as born 1825. Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the 11 January 1823 John McCormick born 20 May 1825 Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to a Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for either couple at the time only this later mention. Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the marriage of the parents. Margaret (Melrose) On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello all. > In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or > daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the > baptism, correct? > > I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 > Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 > > Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at > the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? > > I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site > (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the > Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. > > > Thoughts? Thanks! > > Linda > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although their first child is mentioned as born 1825. Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the 11 January 1823 John McCormick born 20 May 1825 Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to a Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for either couple at the time only this later mention. Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the marriage of the parents. Margaret (Melrose) On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello all. > In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or > daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the > baptism, correct? > > I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 > Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 > > Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at > the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? > > I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site > (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the > Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. > > > Thoughts? Thanks! > > Linda > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello all. In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the baptism, correct? I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. Thoughts? Thanks! Linda -- Linda MacCormick Towne

Whatever happened to "live and let live? Michael was dissatisfied with the original Mull site, and after trying to improve it without success, he did something about it, and should be congratulated for the time and effort expended. Any contact I have had has been courteous, correct and swift. The original site is a great resounce, but it has its faults. There is room for another site and noone should be asking people to take sides, decrying the other, or asking for expulsions. Jim Morison ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:52 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ >I re-registered to have a say. After all, it was me that was being attacked > > I could hardly believe the half-truths and poisonous garbage that I saw in > print > > The "voluminous" info was a simple request to Rootsweb, asking about their > rules. All that was included was a link to one post. > > I have no desire to see anyone expelled. That was downright fabrication. > > The simple fact is that this list is run in a dictatorial fashion - why ?? > > Bob Murray's response hit on quite a few truths. That was my meaning when > I referred to 'the current state of affairs'. > > I have been contacted by Rootsweb who replied > > < I have discussed with her the need to allow for the discussion of other > web sites that are related to the list's topic and expect compliance on > that part > > > What this means is that a lister can mention ANY website in relation to > their research > > Ida/Ian > > If you spent as much time working on your website/list as you do attacking > me, then your site/list would be second to none. > > You have to drop the jealousy or whatever it is, that has created this > situation > > Limited lister support was given to admin, one of whom only months ago was > saying "why doesn't MF offer me some help with my brick wall ?", or words > to that effect. > > MF spent a whole day researching said family and made three posts to the > list. No reply. Never again L**** > > Intelligent listers will use both Mullgenealogy AND Mullfamilies > > > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I re-registered to have a say. After all, it was me that was being attacked I could hardly believe the half-truths and poisonous garbage that I saw in print The "voluminous" info was a simple request to Rootsweb, asking about their rules. All that was included was a link to one post. I have no desire to see anyone expelled. That was downright fabrication. The simple fact is that this list is run in a dictatorial fashion - why ?? Bob Murray's response hit on quite a few truths. That was my meaning when I referred to 'the current state of affairs'. I have been contacted by Rootsweb who replied < I have discussed with her the need to allow for the discussion of other web sites that are related to the list's topic and expect compliance on that part > What this means is that a lister can mention ANY website in relation to their research Ida/Ian If you spent as much time working on your website/list as you do attacking me, then your site/list would be second to none. You have to drop the jealousy or whatever it is, that has created this situation Limited lister support was given to admin, one of whom only months ago was saying "why doesn't MF offer me some help with my brick wall ?", or words to that effect. MF spent a whole day researching said family and made three posts to the list. No reply. Never again L**** Intelligent listers will use both Mullgenealogy AND Mullfamilies Michael

I am completely confused as to what the reference to "bickering" is about Do I need to know?

hello Margaret thanks for posting the household which John may find interesting, I have the census but didn't post the houshold as they are not from Mull, there is nothing to suggest Anne is the mother and there are 2 other male relatives of the head in the household, we John, Jim and myself know that our Euphemia was born in Shiaba, Mull, but I and I think John have nothing for her after the 1861 census except for this birth in 1868 which is most probably her but there is that one percent of unknown, also another daughter in this family said she had 2 sisters go to the USA and as there are 3 sisters unfound Euphemia being one of them she may have gone, I have searched in the past lots of ships records and ellis island records nothing, so it goes...... re your other e mail about the list, this was the very first list I found and joined when I first went on the internet summer of 2003, I was lucky enough to attend the gathering on Mull in 2006 and met some wonderful people, it has changed but I guess things do with time, I ignore the bad stuff and enjoy the rest, best thoughts, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 17:37 Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec)             Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret

Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec) Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Frances Caple <[email protected]>wrote: > hello I've just caught up with all the numerous messages lately, never > happened before but you've all been more chatty than my quilt lists ;o) > > Margaret thank you for helping John and John sorry if I had not already > given you the info I have on the Hector McKinnon born to Euphemia 1869 > (can't remember date just now) > > I hardly do any family history now but I researched this a long time ago so > from what I remember, > I first learnt that a Hector Simpson was living with my gggrandmother > Margaret McKinnon nee Brown on the census records at the Ross of Mull > historical centre about a decade ago, Linda was always a mine of information > and very helpful, it was Hectors surname that got me soooo interested as my > ggrandfather Dugald McKinnon, Margaret's son married a Mary Simpson, so they > was I sitting in the historical centre thinking my ggrandparents had a child > no one down in London where they married and settled knew about, the only > Hector Simpsons I found born at this time were in Edinburgh and Shetland (I > think or Orkney) the northern isles, then I found Hector McKinnon the one > John has posted about and think it likely the Euphemia is my ggranddad's big > sister, the name Simpson still interests me, I searched for both Hector and > Euphemia with both McKinnon and Simpson surnames always deadends, help > anyone out there help, > > next the Hector Simpson in Glasgow with daughter Mary, Mary!!!!!! when I > found this I thought there HAS to be a connection with my ggrandparents, all > you researchers that go by family names well I searched and searched but > nothing a big fat zero > > the reason for not finding what happened to Euphemia McKinnon b. about > 1847/8 is probably that she did marry and her married name is unknown, I > know I have searched for marriages but those I bought were not my Euphemia, > I don't think I exhusted the list though, if anyone is doing research on the > marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon born about 1847/8 I can sort out the > marriages I have and give info, none are Mull marriages, > > happy searching Frances > > > > --- On Thu, 28/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: margaret murray <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy > McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 13:40 > > Hello John, > > Don't know if this is any help, you may already have. > > The 1871 census (on Scotlandspeople) for Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig > has grandson Hector's surname as Simpson. > This Hector Simpson is again in the 1881 census as grandson aged 11 to > Margaret McKinnon, (in Uisken) but his birthplace is given as Glasgow, > though there are no births for a Hector there. > The 1891 has only 1 record for a Hector Simpson and he is in Glasgow aged > 22 > but gives birthplace as Dundee, again no record of a birth there. This > Hector is in the house of 'Irvine's' and he is a relative. There is also an > infant Mary Simpson in the house aged a few mnths, also a relative. > Only 1 death turned up for a Hector Simpson, in Shetland aged 80 with > different parents. > Can send you copies if you wish > > Margaret (Melrose Scotland) > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, John Gibb <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Effy mckinnon had a son Hector born 16th June 1868 in Uisken. There is no > > fathers name on birth certificate, I assume she named the child after her > > late father. Young Hector is on the 1871 census living with his > grandmother > > Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig. Anyone know what happened to Euphemia > and > > Hector? > > > > > > John McKinnon Gibb > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John I got out the 1881 census for Hector Simpson in Glasgow, I don't know why I wrote daught Mary in the e mail there is nothing in the census to say this, the head of household is a Francis Irvine widower M 62yrs. both Hector 22yrs. b. Dundee and Mary 9mths. b.Glasgow are relatives of the head of house, I know I searched at the time for a birth of this Hector in Dundee and didn't find him, I've just logged into my scotland's people account (nearly a year since I was last there!) I didn't keep the hector simpson records, I deleted a lot of records once and often wish I hadn't so I won't do it again, anyway I do have the list for Hector McKinnon's aged 20 -23 1891 census there are 6, as none are on Mull and I don't want to clogg the list with non Mull info if you want I can send them seperatly, you also Jim if you are interested as Hector is related to us all, I did this search in 2003 I know SP may have added more records over the years, there is a Hector McKinnon on the 1891 census Tyree, I don't think the 1891 census is online but the 1881 census for Tyree is online (thanks Keith) and there is a Hector McKinnon aged 11yrs. so I think we can discount the Tyree one, that leaves 5, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, Frances Caple <[email protected]> wrote: From: Frances Caple <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 16:15 hello I've just caught up with all the numerous messages lately, never happened before but you've all been more chatty than my quilt lists ;o) Margaret thank you for helping John and John sorry if I had not already given you the info I have on the Hector McKinnon born to Euphemia 1869 (can't remember date just now) I hardly do any family history now but I researched this a long time ago so from what I remember, I first learnt that a Hector Simpson was living with my gggrandmother Margaret McKinnon nee Brown on the census records at the Ross of Mull historical centre about a decade ago, Linda was always a mine of information and very helpful, it was Hectors surname that got me soooo interested as my ggrandfather Dugald McKinnon, Margaret's son married a Mary Simpson, so they was I sitting in the historical centre thinking my ggrandparents had a child no one down in London where they married and settled knew about, the only Hector Simpsons I found born at this time were in Edinburgh and Shetland (I think or Orkney) the northern isles, then I found Hector McKinnon the one John has posted about and think it likely the Euphemia is my ggranddad's big sister, the name Simpson still interests me, I searched for both Hector and Euphemia with both McKinnon and Simpson surnames always deadends, help anyone out there help, next the Hector Simpson in Glasgow with daughter Mary, Mary!!!!!! when I found this I thought there HAS to be a connection with my ggrandparents, all you researchers that go by family names well I searched and searched but nothing a big fat zero the reason for not finding what happened to Euphemia McKinnon b. about 1847/8 is probably that she did marry and her married name is unknown, I know I have searched for marriages but those I bought were not my Euphemia, I don't think I exhusted the list though, if anyone is doing research on the marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon born about 1847/8 I can sort out the marriages I have and give info, none are Mull marriages, happy searching Frances --- On Thu, 28/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 13:40 Hello John, Don't know if this is any help, you may already have. The 1871 census (on Scotlandspeople) for Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig has grandson Hector's surname as Simpson. This Hector Simpson is again in the 1881 census as grandson aged 11 to Margaret McKinnon, (in Uisken) but his birthplace is given as Glasgow, though there are no births for a Hector there. The 1891 has only 1 record for a Hector Simpson and he is in Glasgow aged 22 but gives birthplace as Dundee, again no record of a birth there. This Hector is in the house of 'Irvine's' and he is a relative. There is also an infant Mary Simpson in the house aged a few mnths, also a relative. Only 1 death turned up for a Hector Simpson, in Shetland aged 80 with different parents. Can send you copies if you wish Margaret (Melrose Scotland) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, John Gibb <[email protected]>wrote: > Effy mckinnon had a son Hector born 16th June 1868 in Uisken. There is no > fathers name on birth certificate, I assume she named the child after her > late father. Young Hector is on the 1871 census living with his grandmother > Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig. Anyone know what happened to Euphemia and > Hector? > > > John McKinnon Gibb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello I've just caught up with all the numerous messages lately, never happened before but you've all been more chatty than my quilt lists ;o) Margaret thank you for helping John and John sorry if I had not already given you the info I have on the Hector McKinnon born to Euphemia 1869 (can't remember date just now) I hardly do any family history now but I researched this a long time ago so from what I remember, I first learnt that a Hector Simpson was living with my gggrandmother Margaret McKinnon nee Brown on the census records at the Ross of Mull historical centre about a decade ago, Linda was always a mine of information and very helpful, it was Hectors surname that got me soooo interested as my ggrandfather Dugald McKinnon, Margaret's son married a Mary Simpson, so they was I sitting in the historical centre thinking my ggrandparents had a child no one down in London where they married and settled knew about, the only Hector Simpsons I found born at this time were in Edinburgh and Shetland (I think or Orkney) the northern isles, then I found Hector McKinnon the one John has posted about and think it likely the Euphemia is my ggranddad's big sister, the name Simpson still interests me, I searched for both Hector and Euphemia with both McKinnon and Simpson surnames always deadends, help anyone out there help, next the Hector Simpson in Glasgow with daughter Mary, Mary!!!!!! when I found this I thought there HAS to be a connection with my ggrandparents, all you researchers that go by family names well I searched and searched but nothing a big fat zero the reason for not finding what happened to Euphemia McKinnon b. about 1847/8 is probably that she did marry and her married name is unknown, I know I have searched for marriages but those I bought were not my Euphemia, I don't think I exhusted the list though, if anyone is doing research on the marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon born about 1847/8 I can sort out the marriages I have and give info, none are Mull marriages, happy searching Frances --- On Thu, 28/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 28 July, 2011, 13:40 Hello John, Don't know if this is any help, you may already have. The 1871 census (on Scotlandspeople) for Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig has grandson Hector's surname as Simpson. This Hector Simpson is again in the 1881 census as grandson aged 11 to Margaret McKinnon, (in Uisken) but his birthplace is given as Glasgow, though there are no births for a Hector there. The 1891 has only 1 record for a Hector Simpson and he is in Glasgow aged 22 but gives birthplace as Dundee, again no record of a birth there. This Hector is in the house of 'Irvine's' and he is a relative. There is also an infant Mary Simpson in the house aged a few mnths, also a relative. Only 1 death turned up for a Hector Simpson, in Shetland aged 80 with different parents. Can send you copies if you wish Margaret (Melrose Scotland) On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:44 AM, John Gibb <[email protected]>wrote: > Effy mckinnon had a son Hector born 16th June 1868 in Uisken. There is no > fathers name on birth certificate, I assume she named the child after her > late father. Young Hector is on the 1871 census living with his grandmother > Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig. Anyone know what happened to Euphemia and > Hector? > > > John McKinnon Gibb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there: While I am not really actively pursuing my Mull family history anymore, I do love to read the messages just in the off chance I think I have something that might help someone else. I have belonged to this list for a great many years now, and have had loads of help from Ida, Ian and the people on the list who have been so kind in sharing their information, and making suggestions to myself. The members have been a great help and support to each other, and I just want to pass along my thanks to everyone who is involved in this great site of information sharing. You all have such dedication and your work is so much unappreciated by us all. Our sincere thanks. Dawn Livingstone, Georgetown, Ontario

I ordered a couple a few years ago from Amazon.com Took about a week to arrive in NZ Malcolm McCormick Ashburton, NZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of HEATHER BEATON Sent: Friday, 29 July 2011 11:45 a.m. To: mull genealogy site Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Jo Currie's books Who do we order them from? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 6333 (20110728) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Hi, My name is Marilyn MacKay and I come from Melbourne Australia. I am researching my husband's family from Mull. I have been researching now for some 25 years. Researching Harriet Livingston (married name McNiven) who was born in Auliston, Morvern about 1814, married Stewart McNiven in Morvern 23 April 1839 after which they moved to Tobermory. Harriet's parents were Archibald Livingston and Cirsty MacIntyre born approximately 1780. All children born in Morvern at different places as they were moved on because of the clearances. Their children were Sarah born c1803 died 1888, Mary c1805, Ann c1806, Margaret (Peggy) 20/3/1808, Jean 5/11/1809, then Harriet c1814 (no record found of birth) - 17/5/1881, Duncan 12/2/1817 and John c1818 - 27/10/1892. Her husband Stewart (William on death certificate) was born in Tuam, Galway about 1806 and he died in Tobermory 30/1/1883. He was a Tailor. His father Duncan McNiven was an Army Sergeant who must have been stationed in Tuam, Ireland when Stewart was born. I have only found 4 children to him and Sarah or Marion McLean. I do not have any information about Sarah McLean. I am sure there are more children but cannot find any records. I do have Ann McNiven born about 1803 and died 28/6/1878, Alexander born c1815 died 15/11/1896 and John born 2/1/1818. Ann was not married, John married Ann McKenzie c1855 and they had three children that I know of. Alexander married Mary Livingston on 29 Mat 1836 and they had 5 children. I think Duncan McNiven is the son of Alexander McNiven and Jean Campbell born 1/19/1780 at Lettermore, Kilninian and Kilmore. Alexander and Jean married at Balliscate, Kilninian and Kilmore on 18/7/1769. They had 11 children. Marilyn MacKay

Dear Suzie. If you have been reading some of the posting from Ida over the last we while, you would understand then. I wouldn't worry about it though. Alex. ________________________________ From: SuzieQ <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 29 July, 2011 11:22:37 Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Confused I am completely confused as to what the reference to "bickering" is about Do I need to know? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello. Wondering if anyone has any information on John McCormick baptised 14 Feb 1816 Kilfinichen, son of Neil McCormick and Flora MacDonald. Gordon's website (www.gordonmaccormick.com) has a note that he might have immigrated to Canada. He's not with his parents in the 1841 Census but at 25, that's not unexpected. Thanks for any input. Linda -- Linda MacCormick Towne

As the grandson of a Mulleach still researching my own family history I am fed up with all this bickering about who does what on mullgenealogy.co.uk. It has been going on for many years now. I have discussed it with some people who still live on the island and they are in broad agreement with my thinking. Ida King states loudly that she as list maintainer has complained to Rootsweb staff that the webmaster of mullfamilies.co.uk has been trying to "expel both my Isle of Mull mailing list duties and that of our website owner". What rubbish! The person she accuses has merely stepped into a vacuum to help people like me with our research enquiries. In this he has been knowledgeable, polite and helpful. By contrast the staff of MullGen has been very noticeable recently by their almost total silence and lack of response. Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their ability? Sadly we have to face the fact that there is a very strong personality clash between the webmasters of the two Mull web sites. This clash is probably irreconcilable, but we, the researchers should not let it stand in the way of our Mull historical research which it is doing at present. The problem now is what we, the researchers, should do. As I see it the controllers of MullGen wish to prevent interference by anyone not within the direct control of themselves and Rootsweb. But because of their lack of activity can you blame us for accepting help from someone else who offers useful research? Have you noticed that current activity has dropped considerably since Ida's email? MullFamilies has now blossomed into a fine Mull history site with more varied material on it than MullGen, more up to date history and probably more accurate history as well. The problems are that it is run at present entirely by one enthusiastic individual and requires registration and login. These problems are not necessarily insurmountable. I for one am not prepared to sit on the sidelines and watch this bickering continue. Rootsweb is a worldwide organisation and would serve us all best by allowing those it sees as opposition to share fully in the work. If that was to happen there would be no need for two websites and everyone would benefit. Sadly I do not see much likelihood of this happening. If it does not I will almost certainly withdraw my name from the MullGen list and encourage others to do the same. Bob Murray St.Andrews Scotland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle & Ida King Sent: 27 July 2011 23:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Sharing detailsofbirth/marriage/deathcertificates FROM LIST MAINTAINER PLEASE READ Hi Margaret and Others I have been informed by Rootsweb.com our mailing list host of the following excerpt from Rootsweb staff: that someone did make some allegations about unfair treatment, we/they were not able to verify any of them with the voluminous information he provided. I had informed the Rootsweb staff . For years this person has been trying to expel both my Isle of Mull mailing list duties and that of our website owner. Some of his previous attempts were down right obstinate THANK GOD he did that off the list.. I, Ida the Isle of Mull list maintainer and Yes, Ian the website owner and operator of http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/ do believe that we need only one website to store and share our information. WE'D prefer it to be flawless but were all human. If it wasn't for our generous subscribers/contributors who spent numerous hours extracting census, birth, marriages and deaths and placing them on the Isle of Mull website. To be exposed to the world and thusly be ridiculed by some members is JUST PLAIN RUDE... Ian http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/ the website owner is more than willing to correct information that is being held on the website. Our goal has always been to help others Thus the formation of the Isle of Mull mailing list and website back in December 1998.. If you'd all take a few minutes to check your family information on the website and send your corrected information to him he'll more than be happy to correct it...Myself I'd prefer to have all information exchanged through the list for the Archives remember rootsweb only allows plain text. PLEASE if you have anything that needs another opinion we have numerous researchers who will share their expertise with you just ask through the list.. Margaret I'm sorry if I've used your posting here to vent my fustrations and that I've had to rehash these old problems. Yours was the most opportune reply for me these past few days. I'm sorry that you missed going to the Mull gathering as it was open to all Mull families Elaine did a marvelous job of organizing it from Canada. Regarding the Birth Marriage and Deaths certificates Ian will accept any and all information no matter how trivial it is. I also know that an ocassional thank you from someone you've shared information with goes a long ways. Again I'm sorry for having to rehash this. Ida