One should appreciate the volunteer work of Ida and Ian in their devotion to the List and to Mull genealogy. They should not be subjected to such negative criticism. I am certainly not an expert on websites, but do appreciate the fact that the Isle of Mull has a special meaning to all of us. I think that an apology should be forthcoming to both Ida and Ian from those who have been so insulting to them. Margaret Cameron Long Sault Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > Janet, You are saying that we are not allowed to criticise any part of this > group even if we feel we should, but the group/lists owners are allowed to > criticise us. SORRY, but that does not happen and if that is the way this group > is going to be run then I will withdraw immediately and I will encourage anyone > else to do the same. Over to you now Ida as you started this discussion. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janet <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 13:38:14 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > > I didn't want to add to this topic of conversation. I'm not the List owner, > nor do I moderate it. I do own, host and moderate groups in Yahoo and they all > require leadership. I'll start by saying that it is widely known in mailing list > terms that they are not a democracy and there shouldn't be any discussion about > how they should be run. Yahoo will tell any subscriber that if they don't like > the way a group is run they can start a group of their own. I don't recall > having seen any list rules. Ida is the Listowner and should take control. Mull > genealogy website has been adopted by the Listowner. There shouldn't be any > argument or jealousies because both websites have the same purpose, i.e. having > accurate records to display to web site visitors. It will occur from time to > time that someone with better information will come along and point out where > any record might not be accurate, and be able to prove it. What I do think is > that access and administrative issues abo! > ut both or all websites should be off list. The listowner has controls and a > means of moderating subscribers' posts. > > I mentioned before that there could be other Listers subscribed here with > websites that have a focus on Argyllshire and the islands, including Mull and > there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have said anything here that is > not true. It is clear that when this List is actively engaged in on topic posts > it thrives. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > > > :I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll wait > : and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and pull > out, > > : as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I don't need > > : any distractions. Alex Fletcher. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

ok thank you. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:34 AM, MF <[email protected]> wrote: > Jennie - that was for another lister unsubscribing > > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JENNIE SUDWORTH" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] unsubcribe > > > > Why have I been sent this blank e mail? Do you want me to unsubscribe or > > was > > it an error. Thank you. > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Jean Whimp <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jennie - that was for another lister unsubscribing Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "JENNIE SUDWORTH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] unsubcribe > Why have I been sent this blank e mail? Do you want me to unsubscribe or > was > it an error. Thank you. > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Jean Whimp <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Why have I been sent this blank e mail? Do you want me to unsubscribe or was it an error. Thank you. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Jean Whimp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi June Thanks for this and thanks especially for tracking Janet down in the 1861 census. Bit surprised they had no children before Angus and Allan. Maybe they did and they died in infancy? Angus died aged 15 months in 1866. I had seen the 1851 record before and supposed that MacAuslane was a transcription error for MacFarlane. I'd assumed that John MacFarlane aged three was Janet's son by John McFarlane and that they simply hadn't bothered to get married until 1857. I couldn't find any trace of Allan in the 1891 census so you could be right in thinking that they emigrated after John's death. Certainly family correspondence between Janet's younger sister Catherine and her husband in Oregon and their cousin Professor Donald McKinnon in Edinburgh seems to suggest that Janet is living in the US at the time. I've passed your information on to a distant American cousin who located Catherine and Malcolm for me in Oregon but couldn't trace Janet. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Ridgeway" <[email protected]> To: "List Mull" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > > Hi Margaret, > > The John you are refering to to is Janet's brother. > > This is son John with Janet's family in 1851. I think the name is > probably due to a transcription error or posibly the census taker. > > 1851 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon Page No : 143 House No : 26 Locality : > Uisken > MacCormick Donald 71 W Head crofter 4a Kilfinichen > MacCormick Malcolm 17 s Kilfinichen > MacCormick Catherine 14 d Kilfinichen > MacAuslane John 3 gs Kilfinichen > > ....and after a bit more digging, also found them in Glasgow on the 1861 > census:- > > 1861 Barony District : Page No : 2 House No : 91 Locality : Maitland > Street > McFarlane John 34 Head Labourer Kilfinichen > McFarlane Janet 32 wife Kilfinichen > McFarlane John 13 son Kilfinichen > McDonald John 42 lodger labourer Kilfinichen > > John was born about 1848 but his birth does not seem to have been > registered. Registration did not become menditory until 1855. > > June > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:09:38 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >> >> Hi June >> >> Have you seen John McCormick's birth record? If so, is he recorded under >> McCormick or McFarlane? On the 1851 census he is recorded as McFarlane. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margaret, The John you are refering to to is Janet's brother. This is son John with Janet's family in 1851. I think the name is probably due to a transcription error or posibly the census taker. 1851 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon Page No : 143 House No : 26 Locality : Uisken MacCormick Donald 71 W Head crofter 4a Kilfinichen MacCormick Malcolm 17 s Kilfinichen MacCormick Catherine 14 d Kilfinichen MacAuslane John 3 gs Kilfinichen ....and after a bit more digging, also found them in Glasgow on the 1861 census:- 1861 Barony District : Page No : 2 House No : 91 Locality : Maitland Street McFarlane John 34 Head Labourer Kilfinichen McFarlane Janet 32 wife Kilfinichen McFarlane John 13 son Kilfinichen McDonald John 42 lodger labourer Kilfinichen John was born about 1848 but his birth does not seem to have been registered. Registration did not become menditory until 1855. June ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:09:38 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > Hi June > > Have you seen John McCormick's birth record? If so, is he recorded under > McCormick or McFarlane? On the 1851 census he is recorded as McFarlane.

Hi June Have you seen John McCormick's birth record? If so, is he recorded under McCormick or McFarlane? On the 1851 census he is recorded as McFarlane. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Ridgeway" <[email protected]> To: "List Mull" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > > Hi Margaret, > > I believe this is your Janet. She married John McFarlane, son of Allan > McFarlane and Catherine Livingston from Ardtun, on 10th of December 1857 > at Uisken. The son John who you mention was Janet's illigitimate son born > about 1848. His father is unkown. > > Janet and John had 2 children both born at Milton, Glasgow :- > > Angus 26 Apr 1865 > Allan 19 Jul 1868 > > When living in Glasgow, John worked as a labourer in a distillery and they > lived in Water Street close to Janet's brother Cormick and his family and > Janet's son lived with them. Their son Angus does not appear on any > census and may have died in childhood. > > John died from bronchitis on the 20th of January 1881 and the informant > was Janet's brother Cormick. I have found no record of Janet's death so > she could have emigrated after John died. > > > 1871 Milton District : Page No : 6 House No : 52 Locality : Water > Street > McFarlane John 43 Head Labourer in Distillery Kilfinichen > McFarlane Janet 41 wife Kilfinichen > McCormick John 23 stepson iron dresser Kilfinichen > McFarlane Allan 3 son Glasgow > Beale James 58 boarder labourer Brechin > > 1881 Barony District : 72 Page No : 4 House No : 52 Locality : Water > Street > McFarlane Janet 51 W Head Housekeeper Kilfinichen > McFarlane Allan 13 son scholar Glasgow > Beale James 69 boarder General labourer Brechin > McLaren Elizabeth 47 widow domestic servant Peebles > > Hope this is of some help. > > June > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi June Thanks very much for this. It gives me lots to think about. I had information that Janet and John emigrated at the end of the 1850s. Either this information was wrong, or they got cold feet and came back! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Ridgeway" <[email protected]> To: "List Mull" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > > Hi Margaret, > > I believe this is your Janet. She married John McFarlane, son of Allan > McFarlane and Catherine Livingston from Ardtun, on 10th of December 1857 > at Uisken. The son John who you mention was Janet's illigitimate son born > about 1848. His father is unkown. > > Janet and John had 2 children both born at Milton, Glasgow :- > > Angus 26 Apr 1865 > Allan 19 Jul 1868 > > When living in Glasgow, John worked as a labourer in a distillery and they > lived in Water Street close to Janet's brother Cormick and his family and > Janet's son lived with them. Their son Angus does not appear on any > census and may have died in childhood. > > John died from bronchitis on the 20th of January 1881 and the informant > was Janet's brother Cormick. I have found no record of Janet's death so > she could have emigrated after John died. > > > 1871 Milton District : Page No : 6 House No : 52 Locality : Water > Street > McFarlane John 43 Head Labourer in Distillery Kilfinichen > McFarlane Janet 41 wife Kilfinichen > McCormick John 23 stepson iron dresser Kilfinichen > McFarlane Allan 3 son Glasgow > Beale James 58 boarder labourer Brechin > > 1881 Barony District : 72 Page No : 4 House No : 52 Locality : Water > Street > McFarlane Janet 51 W Head Housekeeper Kilfinichen > McFarlane Allan 13 son scholar Glasgow > Beale James 69 boarder General labourer Brechin > McLaren Elizabeth 47 widow domestic servant Peebles > > Hope this is of some help. > > June > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margaret, I believe this is your Janet. She married John McFarlane, son of Allan McFarlane and Catherine Livingston from Ardtun, on 10th of December 1857 at Uisken. The son John who you mention was Janet's illigitimate son born about 1848. His father is unkown. Janet and John had 2 children both born at Milton, Glasgow :- Angus 26 Apr 1865 Allan 19 Jul 1868 When living in Glasgow, John worked as a labourer in a distillery and they lived in Water Street close to Janet's brother Cormick and his family and Janet's son lived with them. Their son Angus does not appear on any census and may have died in childhood. John died from bronchitis on the 20th of January 1881 and the informant was Janet's brother Cormick. I have found no record of Janet's death so she could have emigrated after John died. 1871 Milton District : Page No : 6 House No : 52 Locality : Water Street McFarlane John 43 Head Labourer in Distillery Kilfinichen McFarlane Janet 41 wife Kilfinichen McCormick John 23 stepson iron dresser Kilfinichen McFarlane Allan 3 son Glasgow Beale James 58 boarder labourer Brechin 1881 Barony District : 72 Page No : 4 House No : 52 Locality : Water Street McFarlane Janet 51 W Head Housekeeper Kilfinichen McFarlane Allan 13 son scholar Glasgow Beale James 69 boarder General labourer Brechin McLaren Elizabeth 47 widow domestic servant Peebles Hope this is of some help. June

I guess so, or perhaps they couldn't be bothered or were too poor to pay the fees. Certainly so in the case of my McKechnie great great grandparents who lived on the Ross of Mull, and for whom we have never been able to trace any marriage record, so concluded they never actually married. Also I believe that Scottish law recognised civil partnerships. According to my Scottish father, Cormick's grandson, if a couple lived together in Scotland for a number of years they were seen as being married in common law and there was less social stigma than say in England. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > Margaret - > Thank you for the additional information. I wonder if there was an > informal 'marriage' without the benefit of the clergy that was later > formalised? Is that something that happened in remote parts of Scotland > the way it did in some other remote parts of the world including > frontier America? I'm finding that the more research I do, the more > questions I have about the customs and life of the times. > > Linda > > On 7/30/2011 6:06 PM, margaret wrote: >> Hi Elaine >> >> That was me. >> >> Margaret and her brother Duncan (father of Professor Donald McKinnon) >> were >> the only children of Janet and Angus McKinnon not to emigrate to Ontario. >> Janet was the sister of Catherine McKinnon who went to Russia as a nanny >> to >> Alexander II. >> >> I think I concluded after discussions with Jo Currie, that Margaret and >> Donald had Betty and Catherine 1 out of wedlock as ministers were a bit >> thin >> on the ground in remote parts of Mull. Jo was pretty sure that they were >> the parents of both sets of children. Perhaps Betty and Catherine 1 >> died >> in infancy as there is no further record of them. I think the list of >> their >> other children, including my ancestor Cormick, was entered in the >> register >> in the 1850s and was probably to set their house in order as Janet, >> Malcolm >> and Catherine 2 emigrated to Oregon at the end of the decade. >> >> On this note, I have never been able to trace Janet (who was married to >> John >> McFarlane and had a small son also called John) in the US though I have >> traced Malcolm and Catherine 2. I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who >> can give me information about Janet. From family correspondence, she >> kept >> in touch with Catherine and her husband Robert Bruce . >> >> Margaret McKechnie Gallagher >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elaine Robinson"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >> >> >>> Hi >>> Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this >>> couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret >>> McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only >>> member >>> of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin >>> Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as >>> I >>> have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in >>> Erin >>> beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who >>> is >>> descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am >>> pretty >>> sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails >>> from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and >>> that >>> plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the >>> fall >>> to >>> get back to them. Hope this helps a little. >>> >>> Elaine Robinson >>> Georgetown Ontario >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: margaret murray >>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >>> >>> The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took >>> place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the >>> entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during >>> transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although >>> their >>> first child is mentioned as born 1825. >>> >>> Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the >>> 11 January 1823 >>> John McCormick born 20 May 1825 >>> Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 >>> Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 >>> Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 >>> Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 >>> Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 >>> No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 >>> to >>> a >>> Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 >>> couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for >>> either couple at the time only this later mention. >>> Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the >>> marriage of the parents. >>> >>> Margaret (Melrose) >>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all. >>>> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >>>> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >>>> baptism, correct? >>>> >>>> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon >>>> 11 >>>> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >>>> >>>> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >>>> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >>>> >>>> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's >>>> site >>>> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >>>> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Linda MacCormick Towne >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elaine That was me. Margaret and her brother Duncan (father of Professor Donald McKinnon) were the only children of Janet and Angus McKinnon not to emigrate to Ontario. Janet was the sister of Catherine McKinnon who went to Russia as a nanny to Alexander II. I think I concluded after discussions with Jo Currie, that Margaret and Donald had Betty and Catherine 1 out of wedlock as ministers were a bit thin on the ground in remote parts of Mull. Jo was pretty sure that they were the parents of both sets of children. Perhaps Betty and Catherine 1 died in infancy as there is no further record of them. I think the list of their other children, including my ancestor Cormick, was entered in the register in the 1850s and was probably to set their house in order as Janet, Malcolm and Catherine 2 emigrated to Oregon at the end of the decade. On this note, I have never been able to trace Janet (who was married to John McFarlane and had a small son also called John) in the US though I have traced Malcolm and Catherine 2. I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who can give me information about Janet. From family correspondence, she kept in touch with Catherine and her husband Robert Bruce . Margaret McKechnie Gallagher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > Hi > Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this > couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret > McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only member > of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin > Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as I > have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in Erin > beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who is > descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am > pretty > sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails > from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and > that > plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the fall > to > get back to them. Hope this helps a little. > > Elaine Robinson > Georgetown Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: margaret murray > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took > place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the > entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during > transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although > their > first child is mentioned as born 1825. > > Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the > 11 January 1823 > John McCormick born 20 May 1825 > Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 > Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 > Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 > Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 > Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 > No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to > a > Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 > couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for > either couple at the time only this later mention. > Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the > marriage of the parents. > > Margaret (Melrose) > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hello all. >> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >> baptism, correct? >> >> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 >> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >> >> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >> >> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site >> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >> >> >> Thoughts? Thanks! >> >> Linda >> >> -- >> Linda MacCormick Towne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my e mail is the same, I just lost my address book with other peoples e mails, I now keep an address book on bt and don't use outlook any more, Frances --- On Sat, 30/7/11, John Gibb <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Gibb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 18:04 Frances, will do. Has your email address changed? John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 30 July 2011 15:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon John I know what you mean about pc mine went last July, the shop in town saved most things but not my e mail addresses, if you wish me to send anything again please say, I am very interested in Hector McKinnon/Simpson?? so would be interested in anything you may find new, Frances --- On Sat, 30/7/11, John Gibb <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Gibb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 13:55 Frances,          Thanks for posting this info. You did give me some info in the past, but due to my pc hd going into meltdown last year I lost a lot of information.                 John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 29 July 2011 18:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon hello Margaret thanks for posting the household which John may find interesting, I have the census but didn't post the houshold as they are not from Mull, there is nothing to suggest Anne is the mother and there are 2 other male relatives of the head in the household, we John, Jim and myself know that our Euphemia was born in Shiaba, Mull, but I and I think John have nothing for her after the 1861 census except for this birth in 1868 which is most probably her but there is that one percent of unknown, also another daughter in this family said she had 2 sisters go to the USA and as there are 3 sisters unfound Euphemia being one of them she may have gone, I have searched in the past lots of ships records and ellis island records nothing, so it goes...... re your other e mail about the list, this was the very first list I found and joined when I first went on the internet summer of 2003, I was lucky enough to attend the gathering on Mull in 2006 and met some wonderful people, it has changed but I guess things do with time, I ignore the bad stuff and enjoy the rest, best thoughts, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 17:37 Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec)             Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting. I knew there were irregular marriages once civil registration started where couples could declare themselves married in the presence of ?two witnesses and were then considered legally married as I've come across such a case between two of my cousins* (who were themselves both 1st and 3rd cousins to each other) in 1926 Glasgow where the record shows that it was 'by declaration in the presence of' and then listed the witnesses' names and address. Allan MacCormick (1892) and Marion 'Morag' McDonald MacCormick (c1895-1958) both from Mull families. Linda On 7/30/2011 6:38 PM, margaret wrote: > I guess so, or perhaps they couldn't be bothered or were too poor to pay the > fees. Certainly so in the case of my McKechnie great great grandparents who > lived on the Ross of Mull, and for whom we have never been able to trace any > marriage record, so concluded they never actually married. Also I believe > that Scottish law recognised civil partnerships. According to my Scottish > father, Cormick's grandson, if a couple lived together in Scotland for a > number of years they were seen as being married in common law and there was > less social stigma than say in England. > > Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda M. Towne"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:26 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > >> Margaret - >> Thank you for the additional information. I wonder if there was an >> informal 'marriage' without the benefit of the clergy that was later >> formalised? Is that something that happened in remote parts of Scotland >> the way it did in some other remote parts of the world including >> frontier America? I'm finding that the more research I do, the more >> questions I have about the customs and life of the times. >> >> Linda >> >> On 7/30/2011 6:06 PM, margaret wrote: >>> Hi Elaine >>> >>> That was me. >>> >>> Margaret and her brother Duncan (father of Professor Donald McKinnon) >>> were >>> the only children of Janet and Angus McKinnon not to emigrate to Ontario. >>> Janet was the sister of Catherine McKinnon who went to Russia as a nanny >>> to >>> Alexander II. >>> >>> I think I concluded after discussions with Jo Currie, that Margaret and >>> Donald had Betty and Catherine 1 out of wedlock as ministers were a bit >>> thin >>> on the ground in remote parts of Mull. Jo was pretty sure that they were >>> the parents of both sets of children. Perhaps Betty and Catherine 1 >>> died >>> in infancy as there is no further record of them. I think the list of >>> their >>> other children, including my ancestor Cormick, was entered in the >>> register >>> in the 1850s and was probably to set their house in order as Janet, >>> Malcolm >>> and Catherine 2 emigrated to Oregon at the end of the decade. >>> >>> On this note, I have never been able to trace Janet (who was married to >>> John >>> McFarlane and had a small son also called John) in the US though I have >>> traced Malcolm and Catherine 2. I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who >>> can give me information about Janet. From family correspondence, she >>> kept >>> in touch with Catherine and her husband Robert Bruce . >>> >>> Margaret McKechnie Gallagher >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Elaine Robinson"<[email protected]> >>> To:<[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >>> >>> >>>> Hi >>>> Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this >>>> couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret >>>> McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only >>>> member >>>> of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin >>>> Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as >>>> I >>>> have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in >>>> Erin >>>> beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who >>>> is >>>> descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am >>>> pretty >>>> sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails >>>> from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and >>>> that >>>> plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the >>>> fall >>>> to >>>> get back to them. Hope this helps a little. >>>> >>>> Elaine Robinson >>>> Georgetown Ontario >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: margaret murray >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >>>> >>>> The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took >>>> place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the >>>> entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during >>>> transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although >>>> their >>>> first child is mentioned as born 1825. >>>> >>>> Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the >>>> 11 January 1823 >>>> John McCormick born 20 May 1825 >>>> Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 >>>> Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 >>>> Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 >>>> Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 >>>> Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 >>>> No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 >>>> to >>>> a >>>> Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 >>>> couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for >>>> either couple at the time only this later mention. >>>> Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the >>>> marriage of the parents. >>>> >>>> Margaret (Melrose) >>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all. >>>>> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >>>>> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >>>>> baptism, correct? >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon >>>>> 11 >>>>> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >>>>> >>>>> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >>>>> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >>>>> >>>>> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's >>>>> site >>>>> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >>>>> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Linda >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Linda MacCormick Towne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> -- >> Linda MacCormick Towne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Linda MacCormick Towne

Margaret - Thank you for the additional information. I wonder if there was an informal 'marriage' without the benefit of the clergy that was later formalised? Is that something that happened in remote parts of Scotland the way it did in some other remote parts of the world including frontier America? I'm finding that the more research I do, the more questions I have about the customs and life of the times. Linda On 7/30/2011 6:06 PM, margaret wrote: > Hi Elaine > > That was me. > > Margaret and her brother Duncan (father of Professor Donald McKinnon) were > the only children of Janet and Angus McKinnon not to emigrate to Ontario. > Janet was the sister of Catherine McKinnon who went to Russia as a nanny to > Alexander II. > > I think I concluded after discussions with Jo Currie, that Margaret and > Donald had Betty and Catherine 1 out of wedlock as ministers were a bit thin > on the ground in remote parts of Mull. Jo was pretty sure that they were > the parents of both sets of children. Perhaps Betty and Catherine 1 died > in infancy as there is no further record of them. I think the list of their > other children, including my ancestor Cormick, was entered in the register > in the 1850s and was probably to set their house in order as Janet, Malcolm > and Catherine 2 emigrated to Oregon at the end of the decade. > > On this note, I have never been able to trace Janet (who was married to John > McFarlane and had a small son also called John) in the US though I have > traced Malcolm and Catherine 2. I'd be delighted to hear from anyone who > can give me information about Janet. From family correspondence, she kept > in touch with Catherine and her husband Robert Bruce . > > Margaret McKechnie Gallagher > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Robinson"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > > >> Hi >> Sorry I haven't been paying strict attention to the discussion on this >> couple so I am not sure who is looking for what. However, this Margaret >> McKinnon daughter of Angus McKinnon and Janet McKinnon was the only member >> of her family NOT to come to Ontario. The rest of them lived in Erin >> Township, and I think some of the McCormack children must have come, as I >> have seen a letter from a McCormack living near here to a McKinnon in Erin >> beginning "dear cousin". There was someone at MUGG called Margaret who is >> descended from this couple and had done extensive work on them. I am >> pretty >> sure if you check back in the Mull website archives you will find emails >> from her. I have not worked on my McKinnon files in quite a while, and >> that >> plus a new computer, makes this answer a little vague. I hope in the fall >> to >> get back to them. Hope this helps a little. >> >> Elaine Robinson >> Georgetown Ontario >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: margaret murray >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon >> >> The marriage entry in the OPR's (Scotlandspeople) show the marriage took >> place right enough but has been written in later in 1854, along with the >> entries of all their issue underneath. Perhaps a mistake was made during >> transcription by the session Clerk John McDonald at the time, although >> their >> first child is mentioned as born 1825. >> >> Donald McCormick Ardchiavaig and Margrate McKinnan were married on the >> 11 January 1823 >> John McCormick born 20 May 1825 >> Janet McCormick born 28 July 1827 >> Cormick MCormick born 14 July 1829 >> Angus McCormick 28 April 1831 >> Malcolm McCormick born 12 August 1833 >> Catherine McCormick born 14 August 1836 >> No mention of Betty there although her birth is in the records in 1820 to >> a >> Donald McCormick Crofter in Uisken and Margaret McKinnon, so perhaps 2 >> couples with same name, although records do not show any marriages for >> either couple at the time only this later mention. >> Usually if a child had been illegitimate it was made legitimate on the >> marriage of the parents. >> >> Margaret (Melrose) >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Linda M. Towne >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> In the baptism registers (OPR), when it says 'lawful' son or >>> daughter, that means that the parents were married at the time of the >>> baptism, correct? >>> >>> I'm asking because I have Donald McCormick marrying Margaret McKinnon 11 >>> Jan 1823 but their lawful daughter Betty baptised 18 Nov 1820 >>> >>> Does that mean that there were probably TWO couples with those names at >>> the time? Or am I mis-interpreting the meaning of lawful? >>> >>> I checked Ian's site (www.mullgenealogy.co.uk) as well as Michael's site >>> (www.mullfamilies.co.uk) and they both show Betty as a daughter of the >>> Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon who married in 1823. >>> >>> >>> Thoughts? Thanks! >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> -- >>> Linda MacCormick Towne >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Linda MacCormick Towne

Frances, will do. Has your email address changed? John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 30 July 2011 15:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon John I know what you mean about pc mine went last July, the shop in town saved most things but not my e mail addresses, if you wish me to send anything again please say, I am very interested in Hector McKinnon/Simpson?? so would be interested in anything you may find new, Frances --- On Sat, 30/7/11, John Gibb <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Gibb <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 13:55 Frances,          Thanks for posting this info. You did give me some info in the past, but due to my pc hd going into meltdown last year I lost a lot of information.                 John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 29 July 2011 18:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon hello Margaret thanks for posting the household which John may find interesting, I have the census but didn't post the houshold as they are not from Mull, there is nothing to suggest Anne is the mother and there are 2 other male relatives of the head in the household, we John, Jim and myself know that our Euphemia was born in Shiaba, Mull, but I and I think John have nothing for her after the 1861 census except for this birth in 1868 which is most probably her but there is that one percent of unknown, also another daughter in this family said she had 2 sisters go to the USA and as there are 3 sisters unfound Euphemia being one of them she may have gone, I have searched in the past lots of ships records and ellis island records nothing, so it goes...... re your other e mail about the list, this was the very first list I found and joined when I first went on the internet summer of 2003, I was lucky enough to attend the gathering on Mull in 2006 and met some wonderful people, it has changed but I guess things do with time, I ignore the bad stuff and enjoy the rest, best thoughts, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 17:37 Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec)             Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll wait and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and pull out, as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I don't need any distractions. Alex Fletcher. ________________________________ From: John Gibb <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 30 July, 2011 14:01:25 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ At first I was a bit wary of Michael due to the my belief that there was no need for two sites. Having corresponded with Michael I would endorse what Jim has said. It's a pity that the two sites cannot be merged and have one repository for all our information. Looks like this will not happen any time soon, two is better than none though. John McKinnon Gibb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Morison Sent: 29 July 2011 22:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ Whatever happened to "live and let live? Michael was dissatisfied with the original Mull site, and after trying to improve it without success, he did something about it, and should be congratulated for the time and effort expended. Any contact I have had has been courteous, correct and swift. The original site is a great resounce, but it has its faults. There is room for another site and noone should be asking people to take sides, decrying the other, or asking for expulsions. Jim Morison ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:52 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ >I re-registered to have a say. After all, it was me that was being attacked > > I could hardly believe the half-truths and poisonous garbage that I saw in > print > > The "voluminous" info was a simple request to Rootsweb, asking about their > rules. All that was included was a link to one post. > > I have no desire to see anyone expelled. That was downright fabrication. > > The simple fact is that this list is run in a dictatorial fashion - why ?? > > Bob Murray's response hit on quite a few truths. That was my meaning when > I referred to 'the current state of affairs'. > > I have been contacted by Rootsweb who replied > > < I have discussed with her the need to allow for the discussion of other > web sites that are related to the list's topic and expect compliance on > that part > > > What this means is that a lister can mention ANY website in relation to > their research > > Ida/Ian > > If you spent as much time working on your website/list as you do attacking > me, then your site/list would be second to none. > > You have to drop the jealousy or whatever it is, that has created this > situation > > Limited lister support was given to admin, one of whom only months ago was > saying "why doesn't MF offer me some help with my brick wall ?", or words > to that effect. > > MF spent a whole day researching said family and made three posts to the > list. No reply. Never again L**** > > Intelligent listers will use both Mullgenealogy AND Mullfamilies > > > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John I know what you mean about pc mine went last July, the shop in town saved most things but not my e mail addresses, if you wish me to send anything again please say, I am very interested in Hector McKinnon/Simpson?? so would be interested in anything you may find new, Frances --- On Sat, 30/7/11, John Gibb <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Gibb <[email protected]r.co.uk> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 13:55 Frances,          Thanks for posting this info. You did give me some info in the past, but due to my pc hd going into meltdown last year I lost a lot of information.                 John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 29 July 2011 18:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon hello Margaret thanks for posting the household which John may find interesting, I have the census but didn't post the houshold as they are not from Mull, there is nothing to suggest Anne is the mother and there are 2 other male relatives of the head in the household, we John, Jim and myself know that our Euphemia was born in Shiaba, Mull, but I and I think John have nothing for her after the 1861 census except for this birth in 1868 which is most probably her but there is that one percent of unknown, also another daughter in this family said she had 2 sisters go to the USA and as there are 3 sisters unfound Euphemia being one of them she may have gone, I have searched in the past lots of ships records and ellis island records nothing, so it goes...... re your other e mail about the list, this was the very first list I found and joined when I first went on the internet summer of 2003, I was lucky enough to attend the gathering on Mull in 2006 and met some wonderful people, it has changed but I guess things do with time, I ignore the bad stuff and enjoy the rest, best thoughts, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 17:37 Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec)             Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At first I was a bit wary of Michael due to the my belief that there was no need for two sites. Having corresponded with Michael I would endorse what Jim has said. It's a pity that the two sites cannot be merged and have one repository for all our information. Looks like this will not happen any time soon, two is better than none though. John McKinnon Gibb -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Morison Sent: 29 July 2011 22:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ Whatever happened to "live and let live? Michael was dissatisfied with the original Mull site, and after trying to improve it without success, he did something about it, and should be congratulated for the time and effort expended. Any contact I have had has been courteous, correct and swift. The original site is a great resounce, but it has its faults. There is room for another site and noone should be asking people to take sides, decrying the other, or asking for expulsions. Jim Morison ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:52 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ >I re-registered to have a say. After all, it was me that was being attacked > > I could hardly believe the half-truths and poisonous garbage that I saw in > print > > The "voluminous" info was a simple request to Rootsweb, asking about their > rules. All that was included was a link to one post. > > I have no desire to see anyone expelled. That was downright fabrication. > > The simple fact is that this list is run in a dictatorial fashion - why ?? > > Bob Murray's response hit on quite a few truths. That was my meaning when > I referred to 'the current state of affairs'. > > I have been contacted by Rootsweb who replied > > < I have discussed with her the need to allow for the discussion of other > web sites that are related to the list's topic and expect compliance on > that part > > > What this means is that a lister can mention ANY website in relation to > their research > > Ida/Ian > > If you spent as much time working on your website/list as you do attacking > me, then your site/list would be second to none. > > You have to drop the jealousy or whatever it is, that has created this > situation > > Limited lister support was given to admin, one of whom only months ago was > saying "why doesn't MF offer me some help with my brick wall ?", or words > to that effect. > > MF spent a whole day researching said family and made three posts to the > list. No reply. Never again L**** > > Intelligent listers will use both Mullgenealogy AND Mullfamilies > > > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Frances, Thanks for posting this info. You did give me some info in the past, but due to my pc hd going into meltdown last year I lost a lot of information. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frances Caple Sent: 29 July 2011 18:05 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon hello Margaret thanks for posting the household which John may find interesting, I have the census but didn't post the houshold as they are not from Mull, there is nothing to suggest Anne is the mother and there are 2 other male relatives of the head in the household, we John, Jim and myself know that our Euphemia was born in Shiaba, Mull, but I and I think John have nothing for her after the 1861 census except for this birth in 1868 which is most probably her but there is that one percent of unknown, also another daughter in this family said she had 2 sisters go to the USA and as there are 3 sisters unfound Euphemia being one of them she may have gone, I have searched in the past lots of ships records and ellis island records nothing, so it goes...... re your other e mail about the list, this was the very first list I found and joined when I first went on the internet summer of 2003, I was lucky enough to attend the gathering on Mull in 2006 and met some wonderful people, it has changed but I guess things do with time, I ignore the bad stuff and enjoy the rest, best thoughts, Frances --- On Fri, 29/7/11, margaret murray <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret murray <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 29 July, 2011, 17:37 Hello Frances, Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is a daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the childs mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. 1891-Townhead Glasgow Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't check them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. Someone mentioned to John that perhaps he should try Tyree, so during my searches I had come across a marriage of a Euphemia McKinnon age 27, in Glasgow to an Angus Lamont age 28, Master Mariner, both from Tyree. Married; 22 Nov 1870. Crow Hotel George Square. Est Church. Parents;John Lamont Farmer / Catherine McDonald (dec)             Neil McKinnon Farmer / Marion Munn Witnesses; Alex McDougall , Peter Craig I expect this would be on the Tyree website too. If anyone wishes I can forward copies of the certs. Margaret ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William og Stewart was born circa 1721 Kilninian and is listed for the 1779 Argyle Inhabitants at Achronich, Aross 'og' means young/younger, and was called this as his father was also William. This information comes from family letters (The 1920s Letters), that can be downloaded/viewed here http://www.mullfamilies.co.uk/browsemedia.php?mediasearch=letters&mediatypeID=documents&tree=&tnggallery= According to the Letters, William was married three times, and had in total 19 children. There is a possibility that he was married four times* - his first marriage pre-OPR records, was to Janet McColl. She died 1768. In 1771 William married Unknown McInnes, and had one son Archibald, bap 1772 His third known marriage was to Mary Lamont in 1777. * a possible fourth marriage was the one to Catherine Lamont 1775, Kilninian. This one does site nicely beween his second and last. There is a gravestone in Knock cemetery of a William Stuart, and this could well be his father. (William og is also buried at Knock). This headstone can be viewed here http://www.mullfamilies.co.uk/showmedia.php?mediaID=1179&medialinkID=963 This William's inscription has been transcribed showing death as 1724. I believe this to be incorrect, as the '2' is clearly a '9' that has been weathered or defaced. This William (I refer to him as Athol) was therefor born about 1697, and would fit as being the father of William og. This may be/probably is the same William listed in the 1716 Arms Surrender at Corkamul I am descended from William og/Janet McColl More on this family coming soon Michael