June I have worked with children and teenagers and adults, give me children and teenagers any day, Frances --- On Sun, 31/7/11, June Ridgeway <[email protected]> wrote: From: June Ridgeway <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks To: "List Mull" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, 31 July, 2011, 22:36 Hello Ian, I too am very sorry to hear of your illness - hope you are on the mend now. Lachie said - "Plenty people getting quite het up on the list at the moment, ah the joys of being grown up??" OH,IF ONLY! - I've read all this bickering and quite frankly I know of better behaved children!!  GET A GRIP!!! We are all here because we have ancestors who come from the beautiful Isle of Mull and I just wonder what they would think of all this.  I know my mother would be ashamed! June ----------------------------------------                           ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ian, I too am very sorry to hear of your illness - hope you are on the mend now. Lachie said - "Plenty people getting quite het up on the list at the moment, ah the joys of being grown up??" OH,IF ONLY! - I've read all this bickering and quite frankly I know of better behaved children!! GET A GRIP!!! We are all here because we have ancestors who come from the beautiful Isle of Mull and I just wonder what they would think of all this. I know my mother would be ashamed! June ----------------------------------------

Amen.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <[email protected]> To: "sct-isleofmull [sct-isleofmull]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mull Genealogy web-site & Mull List >I am most disapointed that I have to post to the List yet again on this >subject. This petty back and forth is NOT doing anyone any favours, nor is >it putting the List and Genalogy web-sites in good light. As most of you >are aware I have been a Member of this, and other Lists, for some time and >thought of this List as being one of the friendliest. Can we PLEASE resume >this. > > WILL YOU PLEASE ALL OF YOU DRAW A LINE UNDER THIS SUBJECT AND GET ON WITH > THE FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH IN WHICH WE ARE INVOLVED. > > Les > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John - Euphemia and son Hector Simpson McGilvray may have gone to Glasgow. As you know, her mother Margaret Brown died there, as did sister Ann. Who was the Informant of Margaret's death ?. It might shed a clue. The family that Ida mentioned appears to be a different one Spouse: EUPHEMIA MCINNES Marriage: 21 NOV 1865 Milton, Glasgow 1871 Iona Fionnphort McKinnon Hugh 32 Head Shoemaker Argyllshire Iona McKinnon Euphumia 36 Wife Argyllshire Iona McKinnon Hugh 3 Son Lanarkshire Glasgow McKinnon Mary 2 Dau Lanarkshire Glasgow 1881 Kilfinichen Aridghlas McKinnon Hugh 44 Head Shoemaker Iona Q S, Argyll McKinnon Euphemia 49 Wife Wife Iona Q S, Argyll McKinnon Hugh 14 Son Scholar Glasgow, Lanark McKinnon Mary Ann 12 Daur Scholar Glasgow, Lanark McKinnon Helen 9 Daur Scholar Iona, Argyll Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle & Ida King" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnonandson Hector Mckinnon > Hi John > > This is interesting.. > > In the IGI I finding a Hector MacKinnon born Jun 16 1868 KLF C115421, 0653 > only the mother as Effy MacKinnon listed here but a Helen Jane Euphemia > McKinnon born Sep 5 1871 KLF C115421, 0827 here it has Hugh MacKinnon & > Euphemia MacInnes listed as parents this might be worth checking out > futher > . > > Ida > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Gibb" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:44 AM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon > andson Hector Mckinnon > > >> Effy mckinnon had a son Hector born 16th June 1868 in Uisken. There is no >> fathers name on birth certificate, I assume she named the child after her >> late father. Young Hector is on the 1871 census living with his >> grandmother >> Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig. Anyone know what happened to Euphemia >> and >> Hector? >> >> >> John McKinnon Gibb >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would have thought that people had got the message by now that the petty bickering has to stop, but obviously not. If Margaret feels the need to praise Ida and Ian for their hard work then fine, but the demand for an apology is just continuing the squabble. It amounts to one side telling the other to capitulate.I felt that we were getting somewhere when we had some civilised dialogue between Ian and Michael. With a little tolerance, we would not have any problem. Jim Morison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > One should appreciate the volunteer work of Ida and Ian in their devotion > to > the List and to Mull genealogy. They should not be subjected to such > negative criticism. I am certainly not an expert on websites, but do > appreciate the fact that the Isle of Mull has a special meaning to all of > us. I think that an apology should be forthcoming to both Ida and Ian > from > those who have been so insulting to them. > > Margaret Cameron > Long Sault > Ontario > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > > >> Janet, You are saying that we are not allowed to criticise any part of > this >> group even if we feel we should, but the group/lists owners are allowed >> to >> criticise us. SORRY, but that does not happen and if that is the way this > group >> is going to be run then I will withdraw immediately and I will encourage > anyone >> else to do the same. Over to you now Ida as you started this discussion. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Janet <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 13:38:14 >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ >> >> I didn't want to add to this topic of conversation. I'm not the List > owner, >> nor do I moderate it. I do own, host and moderate groups in Yahoo and > they all >> require leadership. I'll start by saying that it is widely known in > mailing list >> terms that they are not a democracy and there shouldn't be any discussion > about >> how they should be run. Yahoo will tell any subscriber that if they don't > like >> the way a group is run they can start a group of their own. I don't >> recall >> having seen any list rules. Ida is the Listowner and should take >> control. > Mull >> genealogy website has been adopted by the Listowner. There shouldn't be > any >> argument or jealousies because both websites have the same purpose, i.e. > having >> accurate records to display to web site visitors. It will occur from >> time > to >> time that someone with better information will come along and point out > where >> any record might not be accurate, and be able to prove it. What I do > think is >> that access and administrative issues abo! >> ut both or all websites should be off list. The listowner has controls >> and > a >> means of moderating subscribers' posts. >> >> I mentioned before that there could be other Listers subscribed here with >> websites that have a focus on Argyllshire and the islands, including Mull > and >> there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have said anything here >> that > is >> not true. It is clear that when this List is actively engaged in on >> topic > posts >> it thrives. >> >> Janet >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ >> >> >> :I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll > wait >> : and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and > pull >> out, >> >> : as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I > don't need >> >> : any distractions. Alex Fletcher. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, you state that Ida and Ian deserve an apology from anyone who has insulted them, if this is the case on my behalf then I apologise. I don't think I have and don't feel I have. As far as I am concerned it wasn't me that started this and I only pointed out that Michael has as much right to run a web site as they have and the point I was making it would be good if they would leave him to get on with it. If anyone else has insulted them then that is up to them. Alex. ________________________________ From: Margaret <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 17:45:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ One should appreciate the volunteer work of Ida and Ian in their devotion to the List and to Mull genealogy. They should not be subjected to such negative criticism. I am certainly not an expert on websites, but do appreciate the fact that the Isle of Mull has a special meaning to all of us. I think that an apology should be forthcoming to both Ida and Ian from those who have been so insulting to them. Margaret Cameron Long Sault Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > Janet, You are saying that we are not allowed to criticise any part of this > group even if we feel we should, but the group/lists owners are allowed to > criticise us. SORRY, but that does not happen and if that is the way this group > is going to be run then I will withdraw immediately and I will encourage anyone > else to do the same. Over to you now Ida as you started this discussion. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janet <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 13:38:14 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > > I didn't want to add to this topic of conversation. I'm not the List owner, > nor do I moderate it. I do own, host and moderate groups in Yahoo and they all > require leadership. I'll start by saying that it is widely known in mailing list > terms that they are not a democracy and there shouldn't be any discussion about > how they should be run. Yahoo will tell any subscriber that if they don't like > the way a group is run they can start a group of their own. I don't recall > having seen any list rules. Ida is the Listowner and should take control. Mull > genealogy website has been adopted by the Listowner. There shouldn't be any > argument or jealousies because both websites have the same purpose, i.e. having > accurate records to display to web site visitors. It will occur from time to > time that someone with better information will come along and point out where > any record might not be accurate, and be able to prove it. What I do think is > that access and administrative issues abo! > ut both or all websites should be off list. The listowner has controls and a > means of moderating subscribers' posts. > > I mentioned before that there could be other Listers subscribed here with > websites that have a focus on Argyllshire and the islands, including Mull and > there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have said anything here that is > not true. It is clear that when this List is actively engaged in on topic posts > it thrives. > > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ > > > :I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll wait > : and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and pull > out, > > : as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I don't need > > : any distractions. Alex Fletcher. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I had intended not to enter this subject BUT I think it has gone on far too long. Could we please stop this bickering and get back to what it's all about - researching Family History/Genealogy.  Both web-sites and the List can, and should, exist and work together. Regards Les

Amen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Horn" <[email protected]> To: "sct-isleofmull [sct-isleofmull]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Mull Genealogy web-sites & Mull List > Hi all > > I had intended not to enter this subject BUT I think it has gone on far > too long. Could we please stop this bickering and get back to what it's > all about - researching Family History/Genealogy. Both web-sites and the > List can, and should, exist and work together. > > Regards > Les > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello Margaret and Linda, I couldn't find the marriage for my great grandparents and when e mailing with Jo Currie years ago she told me that there are no records for Baptist marriages/christenings and there were a lot of Baptists on the Ross of Mull, I contacted the Baptists church and was put in touch with a charming elderly gentleman near Inverness who patiently explained to me how records were recorded by Baptist then, basically records were made but frequently renewed the old being destroy, so as people died their records were removed, no help to us!! however Jo Currie also posted on this list years ago and said if you have an ancestor or sibling of an ancestor born in 1855 when registration started in Scotland it is often worth buying the certificate as so much was recorded on certificates that first year, my ggrandfather was born in 1850 so no record but he had a younger sister born March 1855 so I bought her birth cert and yes! my gggrandparents marriage is on it, they married in Shiaba 1844, no month but I had year and place and certainty they were married, Jo Currie did tell me that if I couldn't find a record of a marriage or christening and my family was living on the south side of the Ross then they were very probably Baptists, this is exactly where my family were, I have records prior to 1820 but nothing after until official registration 1855, I hope this helps, Frances, --- On Sat, 30/7/11, margaret <[email protected]> wrote: From: margaret <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 30 July, 2011, 23:38 I guess so, or perhaps they couldn't be bothered or were too poor to pay the fees.  Certainly so in the case of my McKechnie great great grandparents who lived on the Ross of Mull, and for whom we have never been able to trace any marriage record, so concluded they never actually married.  Also I believe that Scottish law recognised civil partnerships. According to my Scottish father, Cormick's grandson, if a couple lived together in Scotland for a number of years they were seen as being married in common law and there was less social stigma than say in England. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald McCormick and Margaret McKinnon > Margaret - >   Thank you for the additional information. I wonder if there was an > informal 'marriage' without the benefit of the clergy that was later > formalised?  Is that something that happened in remote parts of Scotland > the way it did in some other remote parts of the world including > frontier America? I'm finding that the more research I do, the more > questions I have about the customs and life of the times. > > Linda

Hi Isabel I wonder if perhaps your Mary McCallum b abt 1849 along with her sister Ann b abt 1847 aren't in 1851 Antium KLN with grandmother Mary Cameron wife of Donald McArthur..I'm sure the http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/ will have them listed. Any idea who Janet m'd the 2nd time ? Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "IMANSON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:57 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re Roll Call (McCallum family) > Some more information on Mary McCallum > Mary was born in 1849 on Mull, she was the daughter of Hugh McCallum ( a > farm servant) and Janet McArthur. After Marys Father died, her Mother > married again to a Mr Campbell. > > If anyone has any more information, I would be very interested. > > > > Thank you, Isabella

Hello Ian, How are you, sorry to hear that you have been ill. We are moving back to Kilmun on Tuesday, putting our furniture in store and we will be hitting Mull on the 6th of Aug, we are staying at a caravan near Pennyghael, so I will be doing a bit of Bunessaning. Will hit Tob at some point, will you bewe knocking about in the week?? Probably weather dependent as I have a strong urge to visit Staffa and Bac Mhor etc. Do you know Attie Macquarie, Rose Cottage, Salen? I will be moving tomorrow, so I won't be accessing email till the end of the week. Hopefully we might be able to catch up. BTW is the museum open as I never got there when it is open? Plenty people getting quite het up on the list at the moment, ah the joys of being grown up?? Hopefully hear from you soon, all the best. On 31 July 2011 14:57, Ian Phillips <[email protected]> wrote: > Michael, > > Thanks for your reply. > > If there is an error then please supply the correction and I will be happy > to correct it. > > >> As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. > All names have been standardised. > > This does not help when a person is looking for Marion and in a record she > is recorded as Sarah. Equally it does not help when an individual is > recorded in official records with the surname of MacKechnie and you have > them as McEachern. > > Thanks for the correction to the 1901 census. Much appreciated. > > Ian > > > On 31 July 2011 14:48, MF <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ian - You make some good points > > > > Nobody is perfect, and I include myself. The information provided by BOTH > > websites is open to correction/debate. > > > > Your database is three times the size of mine, as I have ten years of > > catching up to do. That is why I have so many families missing or not yet > > complete. You too have serious errors in relation to my own family. > > > > As for one site - theoretically it is a good idea, but this has flaws. > With > > one site, there is little or no room for challenging what's there. If > there > > is conflict of information accross two sites, SUPER. It raises questions, > > as > > only one can be correct. Once discussed, the 'offending' site can make a > > correction. > > > > I also think stifling or censoring another website, is detrimental to > good > > genealogy. > > > > After all, where would our websites be without the existance of the IGI > ?. > > It is regularly referred to. I don't see the difference between them and > > any > > other. > > > > As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. > All > > names have been standardised. > > > > Please take a look at your 1901 Census entry below > > > > 1901 Ulva & Gometra District No : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 5 > Locality > > : Achronich Farm House > > McLean Charles 50 Head Shoemaker Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Christie 40 Wife Argyll Jura > > McLean Donald 1* Son Rosteau ??? Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Allan 14 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Donald 12 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Duncan 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Alexander 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Charles 2 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > McLean Flora 10 Dau Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > > > Never mind that the age of 17 could not be read, but occupation "Rosteau" > > ?? - oh please. A little care on the transciber's part would have given a > > result of *postman*. So no harm in re-transcribing all of them. > > > > Let's all keep the peace and continue our research > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> > > To: "sct-isleofmull" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:57 PM > > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > A big thank you to the many of you who have posted messages and emailed > > me > > > direct in support of the MullGenealogy website. As the webmaster it is > > > good > > > to see how much the site is appreciated and how it has been able to > help > > > so > > > many over the years that the site has been running. I certainly resent > > the > > > slur "Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their > > > ability?" > > > I only wish that I kept a count of the many hours that have gone into > > > maintaining the website. I think it would come as a shock to all and > I'm > > > not > > > just saying this in martyrdom. I have enjoyed doing it and still enjoy > > > doing > > > it and will continue doing it. > > > > > > Just for the record I have not entered the debate on this occasion > > because > > > I > > > have not been well (and still only able to spend a limited time at a > > > computer) and my computer came out in sympathy. I have just been > getting > > > on > > > with things quietly in the background (as usual) as my thoughts on the > > > need > > > for a second website are well documented. Duplication of data leads to > > > confusion and errors. Far better to have one set of records that > everyone > > > is > > > trying to get as accurate as possible rather then two sets that may > > > contradict each other. This helps no one. Simple fact. End of story. > > > > > > It cannot be denied that Michael has been able to help researchers but > so > > > have so many others on the list over a period of many years. Lets not > > > forget > > > them. After all it is with their help and contributions that have made > > > MullGenealogy the site that it is. > > > > > > I really cannot leave the question of data accuracy go unchallenged. > > > During > > > the period that open access was made available to MullFamilies I > checked > > > out > > > my family as I know a number of others have done by the emails I have > > > received. I regret to say that my family records contain serious errors > > > such > > > that any researcher using the site would be very unlikely to find my > > > family. > > > Others have reported similar issues. Many times on the list the offer > has > > > been made to correct any inaccuracy found and that offer still stands. > > > Inaccuracies alone do not warrant the creation of a second website and > > > need > > > to be reported and corrected. Just saying that there are inaccuracies > > does > > > not help anyone. Please tell me about them and they will be corrected. > > > > > > Nobody is excluded from making contributions to the Rootsweb mailing > list > > > and though it to the MullGenealogy website. This way there is no need > for > > > a > > > second website and yes, as a result, everyone would benefit greatly. > > > > > > I can only suggest that those who wish to support Michael and his > website > > > do > > > so by directly communicating with him. After all there is nothing to > stop > > > him setting up the equivalent of a mailing list and having his own > > > subscribers. Personally I would very very much regret such a move as > > > Michael > > > and his subscribers have obviously much to contribute to the Rootsweb > > > list. > > > At the moment Michael appears to be wasting a lot of time duplicating > > > effort. I site his recent posting about transcribing census records > when > > a > > > complete set from 1841 to 1901 already exists on the MullGenealogy > > > website. > > > I again have doubts that he will be able to index the census records to > > > handle different / alternative spellings of surname and forenames and > so > > > yet > > > again researchers will not find the records they are looking for. How > > much > > > better for all if this effort was put into making one website more > > > accurate. > > > > > > Again a big thank you to all who have supported MullGenealogy over the > > > years > > > and I trust will continue to do so. Keep those errors and omissions > > > coming. > > > In this way MullGenealogy will be the most accurate and comprehensive > > > website supporting Mull family researchers. Nothing is ever complete so > > > please let me know of any additional features or facilities you would > > like > > > to see on the website. > > > > > > I trust that this finally closes this thread. > > > > > > Back to quietly working behind the scenes on behalf of the majority of > > > Mull > > > researchers. > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Sláinte Lachaidh.

Ian I have a 'get-out' clause. If a name is registered as Sarah, it is entered as Marion {Sarah} MacKechnie is McEachern (McKechnie) Any difficulties whatsoever have a note attached - e.g bap McEachern died McKechnie All Mac names are Mc, which is so much easier than having both when searching Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks > Michael, > > Thanks for your reply. > > If there is an error then please supply the correction and I will be happy > to correct it. > >>> As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. > All names have been standardised. > > This does not help when a person is looking for Marion and in a record she > is recorded as Sarah. Equally it does not help when an individual is > recorded in official records with the surname of MacKechnie and you have > them as McEachern. > > Thanks for the correction to the 1901 census. Much appreciated. > > Ian > > > On 31 July 2011 14:48, MF <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ian - You make some good points >> >> Nobody is perfect, and I include myself. The information provided by BOTH >> websites is open to correction/debate. >> >> Your database is three times the size of mine, as I have ten years of >> catching up to do. That is why I have so many families missing or not yet >> complete. You too have serious errors in relation to my own family. >> >> As for one site - theoretically it is a good idea, but this has flaws. >> With >> one site, there is little or no room for challenging what's there. If >> there >> is conflict of information accross two sites, SUPER. It raises questions, >> as >> only one can be correct. Once discussed, the 'offending' site can make a >> correction. >> >> I also think stifling or censoring another website, is detrimental to >> good >> genealogy. >> >> After all, where would our websites be without the existance of the IGI >> ?. >> It is regularly referred to. I don't see the difference between them and >> any >> other. >> >> As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. >> All >> names have been standardised. >> >> Please take a look at your 1901 Census entry below >> >> 1901 Ulva & Gometra District No : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 5 >> Locality >> : Achronich Farm House >> McLean Charles 50 Head Shoemaker Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Christie 40 Wife Argyll Jura >> McLean Donald 1* Son Rosteau ??? Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Allan 14 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Donald 12 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Duncan 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Alexander 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Charles 2 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> McLean Flora 10 Dau Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore >> >> Never mind that the age of 17 could not be read, but occupation "Rosteau" >> ?? - oh please. A little care on the transciber's part would have given a >> result of *postman*. So no harm in re-transcribing all of them. >> >> Let's all keep the peace and continue our research >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> >> To: "sct-isleofmull" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:57 PM >> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks >> >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > A big thank you to the many of you who have posted messages and emailed >> me >> > direct in support of the MullGenealogy website. As the webmaster it is >> > good >> > to see how much the site is appreciated and how it has been able to >> > help >> > so >> > many over the years that the site has been running. I certainly resent >> the >> > slur "Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their >> > ability?" >> > I only wish that I kept a count of the many hours that have gone into >> > maintaining the website. I think it would come as a shock to all and >> > I'm >> > not >> > just saying this in martyrdom. I have enjoyed doing it and still enjoy >> > doing >> > it and will continue doing it. >> > >> > Just for the record I have not entered the debate on this occasion >> because >> > I >> > have not been well (and still only able to spend a limited time at a >> > computer) and my computer came out in sympathy. I have just been >> > getting >> > on >> > with things quietly in the background (as usual) as my thoughts on the >> > need >> > for a second website are well documented. Duplication of data leads to >> > confusion and errors. Far better to have one set of records that >> > everyone >> > is >> > trying to get as accurate as possible rather then two sets that may >> > contradict each other. This helps no one. Simple fact. End of story. >> > >> > It cannot be denied that Michael has been able to help researchers but >> > so >> > have so many others on the list over a period of many years. Lets not >> > forget >> > them. After all it is with their help and contributions that have made >> > MullGenealogy the site that it is. >> > >> > I really cannot leave the question of data accuracy go unchallenged. >> > During >> > the period that open access was made available to MullFamilies I >> > checked >> > out >> > my family as I know a number of others have done by the emails I have >> > received. I regret to say that my family records contain serious errors >> > such >> > that any researcher using the site would be very unlikely to find my >> > family. >> > Others have reported similar issues. Many times on the list the offer >> > has >> > been made to correct any inaccuracy found and that offer still stands. >> > Inaccuracies alone do not warrant the creation of a second website and >> > need >> > to be reported and corrected. Just saying that there are inaccuracies >> does >> > not help anyone. Please tell me about them and they will be corrected. >> > >> > Nobody is excluded from making contributions to the Rootsweb mailing >> > list >> > and though it to the MullGenealogy website. This way there is no need >> > for >> > a >> > second website and yes, as a result, everyone would benefit greatly. >> > >> > I can only suggest that those who wish to support Michael and his >> > website >> > do >> > so by directly communicating with him. After all there is nothing to >> > stop >> > him setting up the equivalent of a mailing list and having his own >> > subscribers. Personally I would very very much regret such a move as >> > Michael >> > and his subscribers have obviously much to contribute to the Rootsweb >> > list. >> > At the moment Michael appears to be wasting a lot of time duplicating >> > effort. I site his recent posting about transcribing census records >> > when >> a >> > complete set from 1841 to 1901 already exists on the MullGenealogy >> > website. >> > I again have doubts that he will be able to index the census records to >> > handle different / alternative spellings of surname and forenames and >> > so >> > yet >> > again researchers will not find the records they are looking for. How >> much >> > better for all if this effort was put into making one website more >> > accurate. >> > >> > Again a big thank you to all who have supported MullGenealogy over the >> > years >> > and I trust will continue to do so. Keep those errors and omissions >> > coming. >> > In this way MullGenealogy will be the most accurate and comprehensive >> > website supporting Mull family researchers. Nothing is ever complete so >> > please let me know of any additional features or facilities you would >> like >> > to see on the website. >> > >> > I trust that this finally closes this thread. >> > >> > Back to quietly working behind the scenes on behalf of the majority of >> > Mull >> > researchers. >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael, Thanks for your reply. If there is an error then please supply the correction and I will be happy to correct it. >> As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. All names have been standardised. This does not help when a person is looking for Marion and in a record she is recorded as Sarah. Equally it does not help when an individual is recorded in official records with the surname of MacKechnie and you have them as McEachern. Thanks for the correction to the 1901 census. Much appreciated. Ian On 31 July 2011 14:48, MF <[email protected]> wrote: > Ian - You make some good points > > Nobody is perfect, and I include myself. The information provided by BOTH > websites is open to correction/debate. > > Your database is three times the size of mine, as I have ten years of > catching up to do. That is why I have so many families missing or not yet > complete. You too have serious errors in relation to my own family. > > As for one site - theoretically it is a good idea, but this has flaws. With > one site, there is little or no room for challenging what's there. If there > is conflict of information accross two sites, SUPER. It raises questions, > as > only one can be correct. Once discussed, the 'offending' site can make a > correction. > > I also think stifling or censoring another website, is detrimental to good > genealogy. > > After all, where would our websites be without the existance of the IGI ?. > It is regularly referred to. I don't see the difference between them and > any > other. > > As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. All > names have been standardised. > > Please take a look at your 1901 Census entry below > > 1901 Ulva & Gometra District No : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 5 Locality > : Achronich Farm House > McLean Charles 50 Head Shoemaker Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Christie 40 Wife Argyll Jura > McLean Donald 1* Son Rosteau ??? Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Allan 14 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Donald 12 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Duncan 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Alexander 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Charles 2 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > McLean Flora 10 Dau Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore > > Never mind that the age of 17 could not be read, but occupation "Rosteau" > ?? - oh please. A little care on the transciber's part would have given a > result of *postman*. So no harm in re-transcribing all of them. > > Let's all keep the peace and continue our research > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> > To: "sct-isleofmull" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:57 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks > > > > Hi all, > > > > A big thank you to the many of you who have posted messages and emailed > me > > direct in support of the MullGenealogy website. As the webmaster it is > > good > > to see how much the site is appreciated and how it has been able to help > > so > > many over the years that the site has been running. I certainly resent > the > > slur "Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their > > ability?" > > I only wish that I kept a count of the many hours that have gone into > > maintaining the website. I think it would come as a shock to all and I'm > > not > > just saying this in martyrdom. I have enjoyed doing it and still enjoy > > doing > > it and will continue doing it. > > > > Just for the record I have not entered the debate on this occasion > because > > I > > have not been well (and still only able to spend a limited time at a > > computer) and my computer came out in sympathy. I have just been getting > > on > > with things quietly in the background (as usual) as my thoughts on the > > need > > for a second website are well documented. Duplication of data leads to > > confusion and errors. Far better to have one set of records that everyone > > is > > trying to get as accurate as possible rather then two sets that may > > contradict each other. This helps no one. Simple fact. End of story. > > > > It cannot be denied that Michael has been able to help researchers but so > > have so many others on the list over a period of many years. Lets not > > forget > > them. After all it is with their help and contributions that have made > > MullGenealogy the site that it is. > > > > I really cannot leave the question of data accuracy go unchallenged. > > During > > the period that open access was made available to MullFamilies I checked > > out > > my family as I know a number of others have done by the emails I have > > received. I regret to say that my family records contain serious errors > > such > > that any researcher using the site would be very unlikely to find my > > family. > > Others have reported similar issues. Many times on the list the offer has > > been made to correct any inaccuracy found and that offer still stands. > > Inaccuracies alone do not warrant the creation of a second website and > > need > > to be reported and corrected. Just saying that there are inaccuracies > does > > not help anyone. Please tell me about them and they will be corrected. > > > > Nobody is excluded from making contributions to the Rootsweb mailing list > > and though it to the MullGenealogy website. This way there is no need for > > a > > second website and yes, as a result, everyone would benefit greatly. > > > > I can only suggest that those who wish to support Michael and his website > > do > > so by directly communicating with him. After all there is nothing to stop > > him setting up the equivalent of a mailing list and having his own > > subscribers. Personally I would very very much regret such a move as > > Michael > > and his subscribers have obviously much to contribute to the Rootsweb > > list. > > At the moment Michael appears to be wasting a lot of time duplicating > > effort. I site his recent posting about transcribing census records when > a > > complete set from 1841 to 1901 already exists on the MullGenealogy > > website. > > I again have doubts that he will be able to index the census records to > > handle different / alternative spellings of surname and forenames and so > > yet > > again researchers will not find the records they are looking for. How > much > > better for all if this effort was put into making one website more > > accurate. > > > > Again a big thank you to all who have supported MullGenealogy over the > > years > > and I trust will continue to do so. Keep those errors and omissions > > coming. > > In this way MullGenealogy will be the most accurate and comprehensive > > website supporting Mull family researchers. Nothing is ever complete so > > please let me know of any additional features or facilities you would > like > > to see on the website. > > > > I trust that this finally closes this thread. > > > > Back to quietly working behind the scenes on behalf of the majority of > > Mull > > researchers. > > > > Ian > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ian - You make some good points Nobody is perfect, and I include myself. The information provided by BOTH websites is open to correction/debate. Your database is three times the size of mine, as I have ten years of catching up to do. That is why I have so many families missing or not yet complete. You too have serious errors in relation to my own family. As for one site - theoretically it is a good idea, but this has flaws. With one site, there is little or no room for challenging what's there. If there is conflict of information accross two sites, SUPER. It raises questions, as only one can be correct. Once discussed, the 'offending' site can make a correction. I also think stifling or censoring another website, is detrimental to good genealogy. After all, where would our websites be without the existance of the IGI ?. It is regularly referred to. I don't see the difference between them and any other. As regards different spellings etc..., I have 'taken the easy way out'. All names have been standardised. Please take a look at your 1901 Census entry below 1901 Ulva & Gometra District No : 1 Page No : 1 House No : 5 Locality : Achronich Farm House McLean Charles 50 Head Shoemaker Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Christie 40 Wife Argyll Jura McLean Donald 1* Son Rosteau ??? Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Allan 14 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Donald 12 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Duncan 7 Son Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Alexander 5 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Charles 2 Son Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore McLean Flora 10 Dau Scholar Argyll Kilninian and Kilmore Never mind that the age of 17 could not be read, but occupation "Rosteau" ?? - oh please. A little care on the transciber's part would have given a result of *postman*. So no harm in re-transcribing all of them. Let's all keep the peace and continue our research Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Phillips" <[email protected]> To: "sct-isleofmull" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Many thanks > Hi all, > > A big thank you to the many of you who have posted messages and emailed me > direct in support of the MullGenealogy website. As the webmaster it is > good > to see how much the site is appreciated and how it has been able to help > so > many over the years that the site has been running. I certainly resent the > slur "Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their > ability?" > I only wish that I kept a count of the many hours that have gone into > maintaining the website. I think it would come as a shock to all and I'm > not > just saying this in martyrdom. I have enjoyed doing it and still enjoy > doing > it and will continue doing it. > > Just for the record I have not entered the debate on this occasion because > I > have not been well (and still only able to spend a limited time at a > computer) and my computer came out in sympathy. I have just been getting > on > with things quietly in the background (as usual) as my thoughts on the > need > for a second website are well documented. Duplication of data leads to > confusion and errors. Far better to have one set of records that everyone > is > trying to get as accurate as possible rather then two sets that may > contradict each other. This helps no one. Simple fact. End of story. > > It cannot be denied that Michael has been able to help researchers but so > have so many others on the list over a period of many years. Lets not > forget > them. After all it is with their help and contributions that have made > MullGenealogy the site that it is. > > I really cannot leave the question of data accuracy go unchallenged. > During > the period that open access was made available to MullFamilies I checked > out > my family as I know a number of others have done by the emails I have > received. I regret to say that my family records contain serious errors > such > that any researcher using the site would be very unlikely to find my > family. > Others have reported similar issues. Many times on the list the offer has > been made to correct any inaccuracy found and that offer still stands. > Inaccuracies alone do not warrant the creation of a second website and > need > to be reported and corrected. Just saying that there are inaccuracies does > not help anyone. Please tell me about them and they will be corrected. > > Nobody is excluded from making contributions to the Rootsweb mailing list > and though it to the MullGenealogy website. This way there is no need for > a > second website and yes, as a result, everyone would benefit greatly. > > I can only suggest that those who wish to support Michael and his website > do > so by directly communicating with him. After all there is nothing to stop > him setting up the equivalent of a mailing list and having his own > subscribers. Personally I would very very much regret such a move as > Michael > and his subscribers have obviously much to contribute to the Rootsweb > list. > At the moment Michael appears to be wasting a lot of time duplicating > effort. I site his recent posting about transcribing census records when a > complete set from 1841 to 1901 already exists on the MullGenealogy > website. > I again have doubts that he will be able to index the census records to > handle different / alternative spellings of surname and forenames and so > yet > again researchers will not find the records they are looking for. How much > better for all if this effort was put into making one website more > accurate. > > Again a big thank you to all who have supported MullGenealogy over the > years > and I trust will continue to do so. Keep those errors and omissions > coming. > In this way MullGenealogy will be the most accurate and comprehensive > website supporting Mull family researchers. Nothing is ever complete so > please let me know of any additional features or facilities you would like > to see on the website. > > I trust that this finally closes this thread. > > Back to quietly working behind the scenes on behalf of the majority of > Mull > researchers. > > Ian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, A big thank you to the many of you who have posted messages and emailed me direct in support of the MullGenealogy website. As the webmaster it is good to see how much the site is appreciated and how it has been able to help so many over the years that the site has been running. I certainly resent the slur "Are they really carrying out their duties to the best of their ability?" I only wish that I kept a count of the many hours that have gone into maintaining the website. I think it would come as a shock to all and I'm not just saying this in martyrdom. I have enjoyed doing it and still enjoy doing it and will continue doing it. Just for the record I have not entered the debate on this occasion because I have not been well (and still only able to spend a limited time at a computer) and my computer came out in sympathy. I have just been getting on with things quietly in the background (as usual) as my thoughts on the need for a second website are well documented. Duplication of data leads to confusion and errors. Far better to have one set of records that everyone is trying to get as accurate as possible rather then two sets that may contradict each other. This helps no one. Simple fact. End of story. It cannot be denied that Michael has been able to help researchers but so have so many others on the list over a period of many years. Lets not forget them. After all it is with their help and contributions that have made MullGenealogy the site that it is. I really cannot leave the question of data accuracy go unchallenged. During the period that open access was made available to MullFamilies I checked out my family as I know a number of others have done by the emails I have received. I regret to say that my family records contain serious errors such that any researcher using the site would be very unlikely to find my family. Others have reported similar issues. Many times on the list the offer has been made to correct any inaccuracy found and that offer still stands. Inaccuracies alone do not warrant the creation of a second website and need to be reported and corrected. Just saying that there are inaccuracies does not help anyone. Please tell me about them and they will be corrected. Nobody is excluded from making contributions to the Rootsweb mailing list and though it to the MullGenealogy website. This way there is no need for a second website and yes, as a result, everyone would benefit greatly. I can only suggest that those who wish to support Michael and his website do so by directly communicating with him. After all there is nothing to stop him setting up the equivalent of a mailing list and having his own subscribers. Personally I would very very much regret such a move as Michael and his subscribers have obviously much to contribute to the Rootsweb list. At the moment Michael appears to be wasting a lot of time duplicating effort. I site his recent posting about transcribing census records when a complete set from 1841 to 1901 already exists on the MullGenealogy website. I again have doubts that he will be able to index the census records to handle different / alternative spellings of surname and forenames and so yet again researchers will not find the records they are looking for. How much better for all if this effort was put into making one website more accurate. Again a big thank you to all who have supported MullGenealogy over the years and I trust will continue to do so. Keep those errors and omissions coming. In this way MullGenealogy will be the most accurate and comprehensive website supporting Mull family researchers. Nothing is ever complete so please let me know of any additional features or facilities you would like to see on the website. I trust that this finally closes this thread. Back to quietly working behind the scenes on behalf of the majority of Mull researchers. Ian

Janet, You are saying that we are not allowed to criticise any part of this group even if we feel we should, but the group/lists owners are allowed to criticise us. SORRY, but that does not happen and if that is the way this group is going to be run then I will withdraw immediately and I will encourage anyone else to do the same. Over to you now Ida as you started this discussion. ________________________________ From: Janet <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 13:38:14 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ I didn't want to add to this topic of conversation. I'm not the List owner, nor do I moderate it. I do own, host and moderate groups in Yahoo and they all require leadership. I'll start by saying that it is widely known in mailing list terms that they are not a democracy and there shouldn't be any discussion about how they should be run. Yahoo will tell any subscriber that if they don't like the way a group is run they can start a group of their own. I don't recall having seen any list rules. Ida is the Listowner and should take control. Mull genealogy website has been adopted by the Listowner. There shouldn't be any argument or jealousies because both websites have the same purpose, i.e. having accurate records to display to web site visitors. It will occur from time to time that someone with better information will come along and point out where any record might not be accurate, and be able to prove it. What I do think is that access and administrative issues abo! ut both or all websites should be off list. The listowner has controls and a means of moderating subscribers' posts. I mentioned before that there could be other Listers subscribed here with websites that have a focus on Argyllshire and the islands, including Mull and there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have said anything here that is not true. It is clear that when this List is actively engaged in on topic posts it thrives. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ :I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll wait : and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and pull out, : as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I don't need : any distractions. Alex Fletcher. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John This is interesting.. In the IGI I finding a Hector MacKinnon born Jun 16 1868 KLF C115421, 0653 only the mother as Effy MacKinnon listed here but a Helen Jane Euphemia McKinnon born Sep 5 1871 KLF C115421, 0827 here it has Hugh MacKinnon & Euphemia MacInnes listed as parents this might be worth checking out futher . Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gibb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:44 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon andson Hector Mckinnon > Effy mckinnon had a son Hector born 16th June 1868 in Uisken. There is no > fathers name on birth certificate, I assume she named the child after her > late father. Young Hector is on the 1871 census living with his > grandmother > Margaret McKinnon in Ardchiavaig. Anyone know what happened to Euphemia > and > Hector? > > > John McKinnon Gibb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frances If you can't locate your Hector one way then you might have to check out the other possibilities. Even though these aren't listed as Mull residents (:-))) To add to Margaret's finding in 1891 the Francis Irvine is listed as a widow in 1881 at Dwelling: 174 Millburn St Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203639 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 54 Page 19 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David DOWNIE M 33 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Carter Matilda DOWNIE M 33 F Ireland Rel: Wife Mary DOWNIE U 15 F Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Potter (Cups) Maggie DOWNIE U 12 F Ireland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar David DOWNIE 6 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth DOWNIE 4 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Francis IRVINE W 40 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Lab (In Sand Quarry) Francis IRVINE 14 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Potter Sqeezer Annie IRVINE 8 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Elizabeth IRVINE 3 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder with a possibility for the James Reilly below Dwelling: 222 Overgate Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203481 GRO Ref Volume 282-2 EnumDist 4 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John REILLY M 51 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Licensed Broker Catherine REILLY M 50 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Housekeeper John REILLY U 21 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Joiner Charles REILLY U 14 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Jute Preparer James REILLY U 9 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary REILLY U 23 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Power Loom Jute Weaver James MC CAFFREY U 39 M Dundee, Forfar, Scotland good luck Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] roll-call of research interests -Effy McKinnon and son Hector Mckinnon > Hello Frances, > > Here is the 1891 census containing Hector Simpson and infant Mary. > There is nothing to say if he is the father of Mary only that both of them > were relatives of the head of the house Francis Irvine.. However there is > a > daughter Annie Irvine around same age as Hector, sooooo, possibly the > childs > mother. The family are nothing to me and I didn't carry this search on > further, leaving that to John if he felt it necessary. > 1891-Townhead Glasgow > Francis Irvine head wid age 62yrs gen lab b. Ireland > Annie dau unm age 18yrs at home b. Glasgow > Elizabeth dau unm age 14ys sch b. Glasgow > Hector Simpson relative unm age 22yrs Gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee > James Reilly relative unm age 19yrs gen Lab b. Forfarshire Dundee > Joseph McGrory relative age 10yrs sch b. Glasgow > Mary Simpson relative age 9mnths b. Glasgow > > As I said I did not find any births in Dundee for a Hector. > There were 6 births for Mary Simpson in Glasgow area 1890-91, I didn't > check > them all, but did mention 1, as the father was a Francis, so thought there > was maybe some connection there to Francis Irvine. >

I didn't want to add to this topic of conversation. I'm not the List owner, nor do I moderate it. I do own, host and moderate groups in Yahoo and they all require leadership. I'll start by saying that it is widely known in mailing list terms that they are not a democracy and there shouldn't be any discussion about how they should be run. Yahoo will tell any subscriber that if they don't like the way a group is run they can start a group of their own. I don't recall having seen any list rules. Ida is the Listowner and should take control. Mull genealogy website has been adopted by the Listowner. There shouldn't be any argument or jealousies because both websites have the same purpose, i.e. having accurate records to display to web site visitors. It will occur from time to time that someone with better information will come along and point out where any record might not be accurate, and be able to prove it. What I do think is that access and administrative issues abo! ut both or all websites should be off list. The listowner has controls and a means of moderating subscribers' posts. I mentioned before that there could be other Listers subscribed here with websites that have a focus on Argyllshire and the islands, including Mull and there shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I have said anything here that is not true. It is clear that when this List is actively engaged in on topic posts it thrives. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEX FLETCHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] PLEASE READ :I agree with both the posters here and if this is the end of it all I'll wait : and see.If Ida continues to attack people, then I will reconsider and pull out, : as researching is hard enough for me as it is and I live on Mull, I don't need : any distractions. Alex Fletcher.