I replied to both these messages but it didn't post so here is what I posted in reply to both. To Jim, That sounds like my great-grandfather's, John MacFarlane, brother that we have been trying to find for ages. He is listed in the 1871 census for Pictou County, NS as living on Pictou Island next to his brothers. He was not in the 1881 census. His wife was Sophia/Sophie Rogers; children were John Daniel (aka Duncan), Annie, Jessie, Catherine, Sarah, Elias( aka Ali), Hannah, Mary Ellen(married George W. Payne), David, Flora, George, Robertina.John and Allan also had brother Donald and sister Flora. We believe that Helen/Ellen MacFarlane that married Donald McDonald of Pictou Island was also a sister. To Michael. Allan, Donald and Helen ended up on Pictou Island, NS. Allan D. Gagnon West Haven, CT -----Original Message----- From: MF <[email protected]> To: sct-isleofmull <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Aug 13, 2011 10:28 am Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re; Allan MacFarlane James Maybe Allan McFarlane bap 11 Apr 1814, Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon ? I've no idea what happened to him or siblings (parents Duncan/Janet McArthur), so emigration a distinct possibility Mary 19 Feb 1804 - Donald 11 Nov 1811 - Allan 11 Apr 1814 - Catherine 09 Jun 1816 - Marion 09 Jun 1816 - Helen 24 Oct 1819 - Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "James St.Clair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re; Allan MacFarlane > Recently found an obituary for Allan McFarlane of New Glasgow, Nova > Scotia. His birth place is given as Isle of Mull. His age at time of death > on 31 July 1879 is given as 69 - so he was born ca. 1810. I do not find > an appropriate Allan in the listings in the index. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Allan, Donald and Helen ended up on Pictou Island, NS. Allan D. Gagnon West Haven, CT -----Original Message----- From: MF <[email protected]> To: sct-isleofmull <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Aug 13, 2011 10:28 am Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re; Allan MacFarlane James Maybe Allan McFarlane bap 11 Apr 1814, Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon ? I've no idea what happened to him or siblings (parents Duncan/Janet McArthur), so emigration a distinct possibility Mary 19 Feb 1804 - Donald 11 Nov 1811 - Allan 11 Apr 1814 - Catherine 09 Jun 1816 - Marion 09 Jun 1816 - Helen 24 Oct 1819 - Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "James St.Clair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re; Allan MacFarlane > Recently found an obituary for Allan McFarlane of New Glasgow, Nova > Scotia. His birth place is given as Isle of Mull. His age at time of death > on 31 July 1879 is given as 69 - so he was born ca. 1810. I do not find > an appropriate Allan in the listings in the index. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That sounds like my great-grandfather's, John MacFarlane, brother that we have been trying to find for ages. He is listed in the 1871 census for Pictou County, NS as living on Pictou Island next to his brothers. He was not in the 1881 census. His wife was Sophia/Sophie Rogers; children were John Daniel (aka Duncan), Annie, Jessie, Catherine, Sarah, Elias( aka Ali), Hannah, Mary Ellen(married George W. Payne), David, Flora, George, Robertina.John and Allan also had brother Donald and sister Flora. We believe that Helen/Ellen MacFarlane that married Donald McDonald of Pictou Island was also a sister. Allan D. Gagnon West Haven, CT -----Original Message----- From: James St.Clair <[email protected]> To: sct-isleofmull <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Aug 13, 2011 9:23 am Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] re; Allan MacFarlane Recently found an obituary for Allan McFarlane of New Glasgow, Nova Scotia. His birth place is given as Isle of Mull. His age at time of death on 31 July 1879 is given as 69 - so he was born ca. 1810. I do not find an appropriate Allan in the listings in the index. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently found an obituary for Allan McFarlane of New Glasgow, Nova Scotia. His birth place is given as Isle of Mull. His age at time of death on 31 July 1879 is given as 69 - so he was born ca. 1810. I do not find an appropriate Allan in the listings in the index.

p.s. forgot the special mention that your mother's grandfather earliest born on Mull !! (of all current listers) MF ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] earliest born grandparent >I am replying for my mother who follows the list but is less email savvy: > Her grandfather Godfrey McTaggart and Godfrey's twin brother John, were > born on Mull in 1831. > > Arvel Gray for Orma Gray > Winnipeg, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Arvel Your mother gets the silver medal :) Jean Whimp's grandfather was born 7 years earlier, and she wins gold Thank you all for responding to this thread MF ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] earliest born grandparent >I am replying for my mother who follows the list but is less email savvy: > Her grandfather Godfrey McTaggart and Godfrey's twin brother John, were > born on Mull in 1831. > > Arvel Gray for Orma Gray > Winnipeg, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your replies reflect my earlier replies. I think we have to be careful about applying attributes, or defects for that matter, where they shouldn't be, because hopefully several generations of our successors may carry on our research and heaven knows what they might think of us! ;-) Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret murray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Medical Condition > Think she must have been related to my McLean gr-grandfather, we've got > nothing either :)) > > Margaret (Melrose Scotland) > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Caroline Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just to balance things :) None of my family, as far as I am aware, have >> problems with high insteps or foresight. My McLean gt.grandfather must have >> inherited or passed down the wrong genes :) :) :)

oops, meant my gr-grandmother :) Margaret On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Caroline Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to balance things :) None of my family, as far as I am aware, have > problems with high insteps or foresight. My McLean gt.grandfather must have > inherited or passed down the wrong genes :) :) :) > > Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Chamberlain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Medical Condition > > > I am wondering if anyone on the List has fore-telling abilities or the > foresight? > > - Yes, I do - have had it most of my life and it has literally saved my > life > on many occasions. My mom had it to a certain extent and my grandma ( her > mom) though she was not directly linked to the Mc Arthur line as my mom and > I were. I would say that I had the "gift" the strongest of us all . I have > not heard anyone else in the family discuss this but then my great > grandparents were either dead before I was born or not long after. And I > don't think that many of the remaining family are believers!:) > > Kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Think she must have been related to my McLean gr-grandfather, we've got nothing either :)) Margaret (Melrose Scotland) On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Caroline Bell <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to balance things :) None of my family, as far as I am aware, have > problems with high insteps or foresight. My McLean gt.grandfather must have > inherited or passed down the wrong genes :) :) :) > > Caroline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K Chamberlain" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Medical Condition > > > I am wondering if anyone on the List has fore-telling abilities or the > foresight? > > - Yes, I do - have had it most of my life and it has literally saved my > life > on many occasions. My mom had it to a certain extent and my grandma ( her > mom) though she was not directly linked to the Mc Arthur line as my mom and > I were. I would say that I had the "gift" the strongest of us all . I have > not heard anyone else in the family discuss this but then my great > grandparents were either dead before I was born or not long after. And I > don't think that many of the remaining family are believers!:) > > Kim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just to balance things :) None of my family, as far as I am aware, have problems with high insteps or foresight. My McLean gt.grandfather must have inherited or passed down the wrong genes :) :) :) Caroline ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Chamberlain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Medical Condition I am wondering if anyone on the List has fore-telling abilities or the foresight? - Yes, I do - have had it most of my life and it has literally saved my life on many occasions. My mom had it to a certain extent and my grandma ( her mom) though she was not directly linked to the Mc Arthur line as my mom and I were. I would say that I had the "gift" the strongest of us all . I have not heard anyone else in the family discuss this but then my great grandparents were either dead before I was born or not long after. And I don't think that many of the remaining family are believers!:) Kim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We shall stand proudly together on the imaginary podium. FYI, my mom turned 80 in May of this year. Arvel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MF" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] earliest born grandparent > Arvel > > Your mother gets the silver medal :) > > Jean Whimp's grandfather was born 7 years earlier, and she wins gold > > Thank you all for responding to this thread > > > > MF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:13 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] earliest born grandparent > > >>I am replying for my mother who follows the list but is less email savvy: >> Her grandfather Godfrey McTaggart and Godfrey's twin brother John, were >> born on Mull in 1831. >> >> Arvel Gray for Orma Gray >> Winnipeg, Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A while ago someone had information on this John McDonald born 1757 Loch Buie I have possibly a little more and if anyone can add to this I would appreciate it. There are about 10 pages in my computer, what is the best way to send this so I don't tie up the site? Jacqueline

Thank you Donald MF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald McIlhagga" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald's family > Yes, John McGregor and Julia Ann McLean were first cousins. The date of > birth of her brother John Francis was 15 Sep 1871 in Liverpool, > Lancashire. > > Donald. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, John McGregor and Julia Ann McLean were first cousins. The date of birth of her brother John Francis was 15 Sep 1871 in Liverpool, Lancashire. Donald.

I am wondering if anyone on the List has fore-telling abilities or the foresight? - Yes, I do - have had it most of my life and it has literally saved my life on many occasions.  My mom had it to a certain extent and my grandma ( her mom) though she  was not directly linked to the Mc Arthur line as my mom and I were. I would say that I had the "gift" the strongest  of  us all . I have not heard anyone else in the family discuss this but then my great grandparents were either dead  before I was born or not long after. And I don't think that many of the remaining family are believers!:)  Kim

Donald Thanks for the additional information This would mean that John McGregor and his wife Julia Ann McLean were first cousins What is birth year of Francis John please ? Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald McIlhagga" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:33 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Donald's family > Thank you to Michael and Linda for your attempts to solve my problems. > However, things do move on. Yes, Julia Ann did marry John McGregor in 1904 > in the Mishnish Hotel, Tobermory. A visit to the hotel elicited however > that their own records don't go back that far, so no record of the event > exists there. A pity! There might have been a guest list. > > As you eventually discovered, Lancashire was correct, though how > interesting that she spoke Gaelic by 1901. In fact she and her young > brother Francis John were orphaned in Liverpool as primary age children > and were sent to live with the family in Drumfin Farm, Tobermory, where > they went to school. John's father Alexander was indeed Inspector of the > Poor in Bunessan (I've visited the house he stayed in) and before that on > the Isle of Coll where he met his wife Flora, who was in fact Julia Ann's > aunt! > > Who was Ann Roche? She was Julia Ann's mother who married Donald McLean > (my ggrancfather) who was Flora's eldest brother. And yes, Linda, I too > went down the road of thinking she might have been the daughter of Edward > Roche, until I found that she and Donald married at St. Nicholas Church > (The 'Seaman's Church'), Liverppool, where the record says her father was > Francis Roche (mis-spelled Roach) - hence the name she gave to her third > child, John Francis. The marriage was not at St. Peter's Church, > Liverpool, as you seem to think, Linda. > > So who were Ann Ro(a)che's parents? The probability is that they were > Francis Roche who married Julia Anna on 26th Oct 1924 in Manchester > Cathedral. The interesting thing about the certificate supplied by the > Cathedral is that Julia Anna is her full name. So was Anna her surname > (very unusual), or was no surname used/recorded in 1824? The genealogical > fun continues! > > Now what happened to John Francis? He like his father went into the > Merchant Service. He became a Marine Engineer and married Jean Cameron > McLean in 1899 in Glasgow. They had I believe five children, Sarah > Cameron, Sheila, Annie Roche, Ian and Christina. Three of the four girls > certainly married, though whether they had children I do not yet know. > Ian, born in Glasgow on 3Jun 1908 was alive in 1930 when he registered his > father's death. Again, whether he married or had children I know not. And > I haven't found his death either. > > Again, my thanks. Donald. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: SCT-ISLEOFMULL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 223 > > > PLEASE don't reply with the whole digest attached. Remember when replying > to a message, which was received through the digest. You'll have to change > the subject line to reflect which message your responding to. You'll have > to cut and paste the necessary information into a new message then cc the > list and original poster. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ann Roche (MF) > 2. Re: Ann Roche (Linda M. Towne) > 3. Re: Ann Roche (Linda M. Towne) > 4. Re: FEY FOLKLORE IN HEBRIDES (MF) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:26:58 +0100 > From: "MF" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Linda > > Thank you > > Just noticed the link to your family website, and took a look > www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull > > Well done, very handy > > > > MF > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:20 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche > > >> Michael - >> I noticed that as well. Further research will be necessary on the >> baptism as it may not be the same Ann Roche/Roach. >> >> Liverpool Genuki has a bunch of baptism records <Liverpool%20Genuki> >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Liverpool/#Census >> >> Linda Towne >> www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull >> >> On 8/10/2011 8:14 PM, MF wrote: >>> Linda >>> >>> Just noticed a clash of names with Ann's father >>> >>> Birth gives Edward, and marriage gives Francis >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> MF >>> >>> - >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:30:13 -0400 > From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > a quick check of FreeBMD shows only one entry for Sep1837-Mar1839 > > Births Jun 1838 (>99%) > Roche Ann Liverpool 20 424 > > > > On 8/10/2011 8:14 PM, MF wrote: >> Linda >> >> Just noticed a clash of names with Ann's father >> >> Birth gives Edward, and marriage gives Francis >> >> >> >> >> MF >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda M. Towne"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:00 AM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche >> >> >>> And a possible marriage >>> >>> Groom's Name: Donald Mclean >>> Bride's Name: Ann Roach >>> Marriage Date: 21 Jan 1864 >>> Marriage Place: St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England >>> Groom's Father's Name: John Mclean >>> Groom's Mother's Name: >>> Bride's Father's Name: Francis Roach >>> Bride's Mother's Name: >>> Groom's Race: >>> Groom's Marital Status: Single >>> Groom's Previous Wife's Name: >>> Bride's Race: >>> Bride's Marital Status: Single >>> Bride's Previous Husband's Name: >>> Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00714-8 >>> System Origin: England-EASy >>> Source Film Number: 1656681 >>> Reference Number: it 5, p 54, no 107 >>> >>> Linda Towne >>> www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull >>> >>> On 8/10/2011 7:49 PM, MF wrote: >>>> Found Donald's original post >>>> >>>> From: Donald McIlhagga<[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Ann Roche >>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:23:15 +0100 >>>> >>>> Ann Roche of Liverpool was my great-grandmother, b.1838; d. 1877. She >>>> 'married' Donald McLean, Mariner. They had two daughters, Margaret >>>> (1867) and Julia Ann (1869). I'm looking for a marriage record for >>>> Donald and Ann; also would like to trace what happened to Julia Ann >>>> >>>> Could they have been married in England ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "MF"<[email protected]> >>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche >>>> >>>> >>>>> p.s. >>>>> >>>>> Marriage information thanks to Anne-Marie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "MF"<[email protected]> >>>>> To:<[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:39 AM >>>>> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In 2005 Donald asked about Ann >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Donald - Ann Roche per your posting Rootsweb 2005 >>>>>> >>>>>> Julia Ann married John McGregor 26 Mar 1904 Tobermory (Mishnish >>>>>> Hotel) >>>>>> >>>>>> I cannot find a birth record for her. She is listed in the 1901 >>>>>> Census >>>>>> at >>>>>> Tobermory, as from LANCASHIRE but I think this might mean LANARKSHIRE >>>>>> (she >>>>>> is shown as speaking Gaelic and English) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John McGregor born 1870 Tiree is s/o Alexander McGregor/Flora McLean >>>>>> (Alex, Inspector of Poor), and John's brother Alex jnr also held that >>>>>> position >>>>>> >>>>>> Who is Ann Roche/Roache ? - birth/parents ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> www.mullfamilies.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> -- >>> Linda MacCormick Towne >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:31:26 -0400 > From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ann Roche > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Thank you Michael - it's a work in progress as genealogy always is. > > Linda Towne > www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull > > > > On 8/10/2011 8:26 PM, MF wrote: >> Linda >> >> Thank you >> >> Just noticed the link to your family website, and took a look >> www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull >> >> Well done, very handy >> >> >> >> MF >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:36:44 +0100 > From: "MF" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] FEY FOLKLORE IN HEBRIDES > To: "Jill Allford" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Jill > > I'm almost tempted to suggest Selkies as mermaids with crystal ***** ? > > But I won't > > > MF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Allford" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:24 AM > Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] FEY FOLKLORE IN HEBRIDES > > > Guess I'm veering away from genealogy. Me bad. > > http://deborahmacgillivray.co.uk/scotlore_selkie.htm > > > Jill Allford > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-ISLEOFMULL list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCT-ISLEOFMULL mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-ISLEOFMULL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 223 > ********************************************** >

Thank you to Michael and Linda for your attempts to solve my problems. However, things do move on. Yes, Julia Ann did marry John McGregor in 1904 in the Mishnish Hotel, Tobermory. A visit to the hotel elicited however that their own records don't go back that far, so no record of the event exists there. A pity! There might have been a guest list. As you eventually discovered, Lancashire was correct, though how interesting that she spoke Gaelic by 1901. In fact she and her young brother Francis John were orphaned in Liverpool as primary age children and were sent to live with the family in Drumfin Farm, Tobermory, where they went to school. John's father Alexander was indeed Inspector of the Poor in Bunessan (I've visited the house he stayed in) and before that on the Isle of Coll where he met his wife Flora, who was in fact Julia Ann's aunt! Who was Ann Roche? She was Julia Ann's mother who married Donald McLean (my ggrancfather) who was Flora's eldest brother. And yes, Linda, I too went down the road of thinking she might have been the daughter of Edward Roche, until I found that she and Donald married at St. Nicholas Church (The 'Seaman's Church'), Liverppool, where the record says her father was Francis Roche (mis-spelled Roach) - hence the name she gave to her third child, John Francis. The marriage was not at St. Peter's Church, Liverpool, as you seem to think, Linda. So who were Ann Ro(a)che's parents? The probability is that they were Francis Roche who married Julia Anna on 26th Oct 1924 in Manchester Cathedral. The interesting thing about the certificate supplied by the Cathedral is that Julia Anna is her full name. So was Anna her surname (very unusual), or was no surname used/recorded in 1824? The genealogical fun continues! Now what happened to John Francis? He like his father went into the Merchant Service. He became a Marine Engineer and married Jean Cameron McLean in 1899 in Glasgow. They had I believe five children, Sarah Cameron, Sheila, Annie Roche, Ian and Christina. Three of the four girls certainly married, though whether they had children I do not yet know. Ian, born in Glasgow on 3Jun 1908 was alive in 1930 when he registered his father's death. Again, whether he married or had children I know not. And I haven't found his death either. Again, my thanks. Donald.

er........... thank you Will leave corrections to you Linda, as it's your thread MF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] 1903 Births Kilfinichen - Cameron, McMillan, McLean > Thank you - you are much better at interpreting the handwriting than I > am - do you mind submitting the corrections to the list for the benefit > of others and the interest of accuracy? > > On 8/11/2011 11:38 AM, MF wrote: >> p.s. >> >> The address in Glasgow is HUTCHESON Street. The aunt is FLORA Kennedy >> >> Also, Jane McLean's birth KILLUNAIG >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda M. Towne"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:53 PM >> Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] 1903 Births Kilfinichen - Cameron, McMillan, >> McLean >> >> >>> Hopefully these will help someone. Please contact me off-list if you >>> would like a copy of the document. >>> >>> 1903 Births in the Parish of Kilfinichen& Kilvickeon >>> >>> Duncan Cameron >>> 1903 June 14th at B[...]ach >>> Donald Cameron, shepherd >>> Flora Cameron, ms Sinclair >>> 1892 January 31st at Oban >>> Donald Cameron father present >>> 1903 June 20th at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> Jane Black McMillan >>> 1903 July 5th at Taoslin >>> Malcolm McMillan, mercantile clerk, domicil 87 Trafalgar Street Greenock >>> East End >>> Jennie McMillan ms Kennedy 35 Hu[...] Street Glasgow >>> Gilara [sp?] Kennedy, Aunt, present >>> 1903 July 23rd at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar >>> >>> _____________________________________________________________ >>> Jane McLean >>> 1903 October 23 at Killimaig >>> Alexander McLean, ploughman >>> Louisa McLean ms Campbell >>> 1891 December 17th at Ardchevaig, Parish of Kilfinichen >>> Archibald McLean father present >>> 1903 November 3rd at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Linda MacCormick Towne >>> www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Linda MacCormick Towne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

p.s. The address in Glasgow is HUTCHESON Street. The aunt is FLORA Kennedy Also, Jane McLean's birth KILLUNAIG Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda M. Towne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] 1903 Births Kilfinichen - Cameron, McMillan, McLean > Hopefully these will help someone. Please contact me off-list if you > would like a copy of the document. > > 1903 Births in the Parish of Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon > > Duncan Cameron > 1903 June 14th at B[...]ach > Donald Cameron, shepherd > Flora Cameron, ms Sinclair > 1892 January 31st at Oban > Donald Cameron father present > 1903 June 20th at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar > > _________________________________________________________ > Jane Black McMillan > 1903 July 5th at Taoslin > Malcolm McMillan, mercantile clerk, domicil 87 Trafalgar Street Greenock > East End > Jennie McMillan ms Kennedy 35 Hu[...] Street Glasgow > Gilara [sp?] Kennedy, Aunt, present > 1903 July 23rd at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar > > _____________________________________________________________ > Jane McLean > 1903 October 23 at Killimaig > Alexander McLean, ploughman > Louisa McLean ms Campbell > 1891 December 17th at Ardchevaig, Parish of Kilfinichen > Archibald McLean father present > 1903 November 3rd at Bunessan, Alexander McGregor, registrar > > > > > > Linda MacCormick Towne > www.ancestralplaces.co.uk/mull > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message