Greetings to all, As there seems to be a bit of a lull on the list at the moment I might take the opportunity to ask a silly question. My ancestor, ggg/grandfather David Borrie was head gardener at Torloisk on the Isle of Mull from the early 1820's till his death in 1876. He had two children by his first marriage, (wife Isobel McLeod). I am descended from the second of these children. David married again (wife Catherine McDonald or McLean). By this second marriage he had a further 4 children, all girls, and these remained at Torloisk all their lives working in the laundry and dairy and also as maidservants in the main house on the estate. My question is, what relationship are these later children and their descendants to me? Half something or other I would imagine. Thankyou, Barry Howard Victoria, Australia.

Linda I like your site. re Effy McPhail was born in 1768, daughter of Donald McPhail and Katherine Campbell. Effy McPhail was baptized on 17 July 1768. Have you anymore info on this branch of McPhail. This is about the date of my Effie McPhail who married Neil McDougall(Mclullich) in Torosay.  They were in GARMONY in 1841.  I visited there when I was over in July. Tricia ________________________________ From: Linda M. Towne <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Linda www.ancestralplaces.co.uk

Hello Barry, Yes, you are correct--they would be "half"--same father, different mother. I have many half cousins from my grandfather's first marriage. You say you are descended from the 2nd child by his first marriage. Whatever relationship you have determined for the sibling of your ancestor, then the children by the 2nd marriage would be the same--only just add "half" to the relationship, i.e. half third cousin, etc. Clear as mud?? Valeria Greenwood Nova Scotia ----- Original Message ----- From: "BRH" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Relationship Query. > Greetings to all, > > As there seems to be a bit of a lull on the list at the moment I might > take the opportunity to ask a silly question. > My ancestor, ggg/grandfather David Borrie was head gardener at Torloisk > on the Isle of Mull from the early 1820's till his death in 1876. He had > two children by his first marriage, (wife Isobel McLeod). I am descended > from the second of these children. David married again (wife Catherine > McDonald or McLean). By this second marriage he had a further 4 > children, all girls, and these remained at Torloisk all their lives > working in the laundry and dairy and also as maidservants in the main > house on the estate. > > My question is, what relationship are these later children and their > descendants to me? Half something or other I would imagine. > > Thankyou, > Barry Howard > Victoria, Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes yours came thro' I think the list has just been quiet Jean Whimp -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:sct-isleofmu[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Archibald Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2011 8:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] messages Anyone getting messages from the list? I haven't had any since the middle of August and just wondered as some others are not coming in either. Thanks Jacqueline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Louise, for posting this!  I have forwarded it on to the former mayor of Brock Township, Allan McPhail, whose ancestors were from Mull.  Maybe I will get out there this weekend.

Mull Listeners: Just a note about the Wick Cemetery also called the McNeil Cemetery. Most of the old Scottish section of the cemetery has no plot plan of where people are buried other than looking at the stones that are still there. My gr. grandafather's brother Neil McNeil left the land for the cemetery as it was part of the old farm and I was very upset when there for a celebration, that they didn't even know where he was buried or any of my other relatives without looking for stones. I did find it though and many other Scots that came to Brock Townhip. When I complaiined about it, they said " Oh, its just the old part of the cemetery" which was quite disturbing to me. Jacqueline From: "Louise MacDougall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] This weekend! “Open Doors Ontario” in Brock and Mariposa Townships, Canada Hi Mull Listers, This will be of interest to any of you with Mull and/or Tiree connections near Manilla, Ontario. There are several “Open Door” sites hosted in or near Manilla on Sunday September 11, from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm. Unfortunately, the Wick cemetery in Brock, which has many Mull burials, is not part of this event. Though of course you can still visit it without a Host being on site. Nearby, the Scotch Cemetery in Brock Township is part of the event under the auspices of the local Brock Township Municipal Council in cooperation with Open Doors Ontario. The Scotch Cemetery has the second largest concentration of Tiree burials in Canada, (Tiverton being the first). Interestingly, the Manilla Library will be open -- it has been closed to the public for 10 years awaiting restoration of the interior. Who knows what it may hold? For more information and links to Open Door events, please go to my website: http://www.tireegathering.com and Click on Scotch Cemetery 2011. Paul Hector is the organizer and Site Guide for the Scotch Cemetery, and he can be contacted through my website. I hope to be posting photos and a list of the Gathering attendees after the event. Cheers, Louise MacDougall British Columbia, Canada www.tireegathering.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jacqueline, The list has been pretty quiet since mid-August. There were a couple of messages at the end of August - one from you, I believe, but that's about it. Hopefully traffic will pick up again - it was lovely and busy for a a couple of months over the summer :) Linda www.ancestralplaces.co.uk On 9/7/2011 6:59 PM, Jacqueline Archibald wrote: > Anyone getting messages from the list? I haven't had any since the middle of August and just wondered as some others are not coming in either. > Thanks > Jacqueline >

Anyone getting messages from the list? I haven't had any since the middle of August and just wondered as some others are not coming in either. Thanks Jacqueline

Hi Mull Listers, This will be of interest to any of you with Mull and/or Tiree connections near Manilla, Ontario. There are several “Open Door” sites hosted in or near Manilla on Sunday September 11, from 10:00 am to 4:00 pm. Unfortunately, the Wick cemetery in Brock, which has many Mull burials, is not part of this event. Though of course you can still visit it without a Host being on site. Nearby, the Scotch Cemetery in Brock Township is part of the event under the auspices of the local Brock Township Municipal Council in cooperation with Open Doors Ontario. The Scotch Cemetery has the second largest concentration of Tiree burials in Canada, (Tiverton being the first). Interestingly, the Manilla Library will be open -- it has been closed to the public for 10 years awaiting restoration of the interior. Who knows what it may hold? For more information and links to Open Door events, please go to my website: http://www.tireegathering.com and Click on Scotch Cemetery 2011. Paul Hector is the organizer and Site Guide for the Scotch Cemetery, and he can be contacted through my website. I hope to be posting photos and a list of the Gathering attendees after the event. Cheers, Louise MacDougall British Columbia, Canada www.tireegathering.com

Do any of you know about a fire in which both parents died? Their married name was McKinnon and the fathers' christian name was possibly John. This fire would be sometime between 1855 and 1885. John Gibb

Duncan doesn't seem to have any Lachlan McNeils and I think there was an error in the place name and not Caliach. but a similar sounding place. Sorry I can't help with this at present, but might run into a Lachlan from there yet. Jacqueline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Markus Rothlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Caliach, Isle of Mull Hi Jacqueline, Do you think your man from Scotland might be connected to my Lachlan McNeil of Caliach who married Mary McLean in 1822? Regards, Gail in Switzerland -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Jacqueline Archibald Gesendet: Freitag, 27. August 2010 00:41 An: [email protected] Betreff: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Caliach, Isle of Mull Hello Ian and list: I don't know if many on the list know where Caliach is, (north-west corner of Mull) but I wondered if such a small area could have McNeills that are not related. A man from Scotland has been in touch and his people were McNeills from Caliach but I can't seem to make a connection although I don't know who they married as yet. It just seems like such a small area that I would think a family of this name would be related somehow. Jacqueline in N.S. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3121 - Release Date: 09/08/10 03:07:00

I have already contacted "Margaret" off line but to all the other wonderful people, a big thank you for helping me sort this family out. I just wish some of my other 'brick walls' were as easily solved. Again thanks, Jillian Perth, Western Australia

I have a note on my data base that James St Clair advised the list in 2008 that Neil Paterson, son of John Paterson, emigrated to Nova Scotia from Mull perhaps as early as 1803 and settled on Boularderie Island. Perhaps James can help you with your problem. Jill

This message forwarded from ns-cape-breton board. Can anyone assist the enquirer? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: [NS-CB] Pattersons- > > > > I am thoroughly confused! Everything that I read about the 1st settlers in > Boularderie, mention a Neil Patterson that was given a grant in 1934. But > in a letter from Dan Brown abt 25 years ago, he said that there were 2 > Patterson families that settled here, one from Coll and one from Mull. > Well, I have been seen the line of the one from Coll and now I'm wondering > if anyone has the names of the Patterson family from Mull in the early > 1800s. > > > > My gr grandfather was Neil Malcolm Patterson 1844 Boularderie Island/son > of George or Malcolm or maybe George Malcolm and Sarah ?. Neil marrried. > Mary Ann Campbell d/o Duncan and Catherine MacClean (both from Scotland. > > > > Can someone help me to sort out these two Patterson Families. I was told > that even now, their properties back up to each other, one farm in Cape > Breton and the other in Victoria. And yet they are not related!. Thank you > for any help, I just cannot seem to move ahead with this. Sadie E.( > Patterson) Pegnato > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further my previous posting, I should also add that none of Malcolm and Ann's descendents have ever managed to trace Ann's origins. The only information we have is on her death certificate as it seems as though she and Malcolm never married. She came from Colonsay. I'd be delighted if anyone can fill in the gaps. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "King Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:41 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Malcolm McEachern Family > Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am > hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can > help me. > > Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, > moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866. I have some nine > children for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil. > > Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James born > about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow. Can someone tell me > are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact > grand children. I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who > married John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking. > > Also Malcolm and Ann's eldest son Archibald. Did he marry three times, > again I have references to a Marion McInnes, a Isabella McCormick and a > Catherine McInnes. > > A Catherine deffinitely fits in as their is reference to both a Catherine > Simpson and a Catherine McKechnie being in the household as "daughters". > I can only presume the latter Catherine to be a daughter in law. > > As you can see I'm confussed, and probably you all are too after reading > this email, > Jillian > Perth, Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jillian Archibald was my great grandfather. He married Isabella McCormick as his second wife and she died in childbirth in 1885, giving birth to her only child, my grandmother, Catherine Isabella McKechnie. Catherine was brought up by her maternal grandparents, Cormick and Catherine McCormick who also came from Mull and who also lived in Water Street. I think James was Malcolm and Ann's grandson. In fact I think their daughter Catherine gave birth to him long before she married Mr Simpson. I think Ann was probably Archibald's daughter from his first marriage because the age fits. I have a feeling Catherine outlived Mr Simpson and married again. Yes, Archibald married three times. His first wife died and they had two daughters, Marion and Ann. I keep in contact with Ann's granddaughter, another Ann, and she thinks the two sisters were probably farmed out among relatives after their mother, Marion's death. Catherine McInnes, Archibald's third wife was a widow when he married her. Ann thinks they probably separated as they never appear together on a census and she died several years after him. Hope this helps. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "King Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:41 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Malcolm McEachern Family > Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am > hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can > help me. > > Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, > moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866. I have some nine > children for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil. > > Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James born > about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow. Can someone tell me > are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact > grand children. I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who > married John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking. > > Also Malcolm and Ann's eldest son Archibald. Did he marry three times, > again I have references to a Marion McInnes, a Isabella McCormick and a > Catherine McInnes. > > A Catherine deffinitely fits in as their is reference to both a Catherine > Simpson and a Catherine McKechnie being in the household as "daughters". > I can only presume the latter Catherine to be a daughter in law. > > As you can see I'm confussed, and probably you all are too after reading > this email, > Jillian > Perth, Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The 1891 census shows James and Ann to be Malcolm's grandchildren. 54 Water Street Glasgow, Malcolm McKechnie widower aged 65 Labourer in Chemical Work. b. Mull Catherine Simpson daughter widow aged 39, Housekeeper, b. Glasgow. James Simpson grandson aged 18, a Carter, b. Glasgow Ann Simpson grand-daughter aged 14, a Domestic Servant b. Glasgow Regards, Margaret Murray (Melrose Scotland) On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Janet <[email protected]> wrote: > It may not be specifically relevant to your story, but reading what you > have written it certainly reminded me that I was aghast at how many children > I found attributed to my grandfather. When I found he had been married 3 > times, it seemed more feasible. I think we need an open mind to the > possibilities of multiple relationships. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "King Family" <[email protected]> > > > : Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am > hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can > help me. > : > : Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, > moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866. I have some nine children > for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil. > : > : Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James > born about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow. Can someone tell > me are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact > grand children. I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who married > John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It may not be specifically relevant to your story, but reading what you have written it certainly reminded me that I was aghast at how many children I found attributed to my grandfather. When I found he had been married 3 times, it seemed more feasible. I think we need an open mind to the possibilities of multiple relationships. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "King Family" <[email protected]> : Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can help me. : : Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866. I have some nine children for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil. : : Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James born about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow. Can someone tell me are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact grand children. I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who married John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking.

Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can help me. Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866. I have some nine children for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil. Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James born about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow. Can someone tell me are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact grand children. I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who married John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking. Also Malcolm and Ann's eldest son Archibald. Did he marry three times, again I have references to a Marion McInnes, a Isabella McCormick and a Catherine McInnes. A Catherine deffinitely fits in as their is reference to both a Catherine Simpson and a Catherine McKechnie being in the household as "daughters". I can only presume the latter Catherine to be a daughter in law. As you can see I'm confussed, and probably you all are too after reading this email, Jillian Perth, Western Australia

Jillian: Time spent on Scotlands People would alleviate some of your problems giving  copies of census and birth records. FamilySearch.org would give some birth/marriage info, but it always nice to see the original records. The SP cost is minimal compared to the instant gratification and satisfaction. [email protected] --- On Wed, 8/24/11, King Family <[email protected]> wrote: Have got myself very confussed trying to work this family out and am hoping someone, with access to the originals of the 1891/1901 census can help me. Malcolm McEachern/McKechnie, son of John McEachern and Catherine McPhie, moved his family to Glasgow some time after 1866.  I have some nine children for Malcolm and his wife Ann McNeil.  Trying to marry this family in Glasgow I find two more children James born about 1873 Glasgow and Ann born about 1876 Glasgow.  Can someone tell me are in fact these children of Malcom and his wife Ann or are they in fact grand children.  I have a reference to their daughter Catherine, who married John Simpson in 1885, but can't make out my own note taking. Also Malcolm and Ann's eldest son Archibald.  Did he marry three times, again I have references to a Marion McInnes, a Isabella McCormick and a Catherine McInnes. A Catherine deffinitely fits in as their is reference to both a Catherine Simpson and a Catherine McKechnie being in the household as "daughters".  I can only presume the latter Catherine to be a daughter in law.