groom's name:Allan Mcdougall bride's name:Flory Paterson marriage date:04 Feb 1823 marriage place:Kilninian And Kilmore,Argyll,Scotland indexing project (batch) number:M11544-4 system origin:Scotland-ODM source film number:1041080 Heads of Households 1871 Stormant Search Term(s): surname:"mcdougal*" and district_num:"072" Results: (1-6 of 6)     ________________________________   Name Given Name Age Place of Birth District Sub-district 1. MCDOUGAL JOHN 30 ONTARIO STORMONT Roxborough 2. MCDOUGALL ALEXANDER 61 SCOTLAND STORMONT Roxborough 3. MCDOUGALL ALLAN 80 SCOTLAND STORMONT Finch 4. MCDOUGALL HECTOR 34 SCOTLAND STORMONT Finch 5. MCDOUGALL JANET 22 ONTARIO STORMONT Roxborough 6. MCDOUGALL JOHN 40 SCOTLAND STORMONT Finch   So John Hector could be sons of Allan.   I would love this to relate to my McDougall.  Garmony in early 1800s...  

Ida.  1871 Allan name:Allan Mc Dougall gender:Male age:80 calculated birth year:1791 country or province of birth:Scotland marital status:Married ethnic origin:Scotch religion:C Presb census place:01, Finch b, Stormont 72, Ontario page number:2 line number:19 house number:7 family number:7 library and archives canada film number:C-10007 digital folder number:4396308 Archibald also on above page.1871 aged  32 .... and  in 1861 he is 24 Then a Marriage 1872 for Archibald: confirms his mother parents: Allan Mcdougall,​ Flora Patterson spouse: Mary Mcpherson name:Archibald Mcdougall event:MARRIAGE event date:02 Jan 1872 event place:Finch, Stormont D Glengarry, Ontario age:34 estimated birth year:1838 father:Allan Mcdougall mother:Flora Patterson spouse:Mary Mcpherson spouse's age:19 spouse's estimated birth year:1853 spouse's father:Duncan Mcpherson spouse's mother:Flora Mckinnon digital folder number:4529103 I think in 1841 1851  it could be Allan and Flora in Mull census. although his age not correct 1841 and not with family 1851!!- Flora b 1801 Scotland on 1871 census Finch...  Hector and Neil also there. I don't have access to Ancestry.co.uk  Canadian records..... only subscribe to UK. Must stop now but something to go on. Tricia ________________________________ From: Merle & Ida King <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 8 November, 2011 17:39:52 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage Hi Tricia Thanks for this. I found this in the 1881 census so I think we have a winner with this one. Now to figure out who Allan's wife was or who his son Archibald married (:-)))) Census Place: Finch, Stormont, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375863  NAC C-13227  Dist 101  SubDist B  Div 2  Page 26 Family 108

Hello Mull Listeners   I am looking for details of my ancestors p;ease:   Duncan Campbell a Ballygrant Islay contractor, previously of 23 Monteith Row Glosgow and now of rosebank East Kilbridge (that must have been in the early part of the centuary as his note  www.link is a death notice for his son Hugh Gilchrist Campbell.) who worked for the Glasgow islay association   He Married a Elizabeth Jessie Campbell (nee unknown) Jane Archibald Hugh Gillchrist and Alexander M. Alexander Married Jessie Campbell Born MacQuarrie and went to South Africa to the Diamond Fields (kimberley) Their Children were Jane Una Duncan Lachie and my grandmother Marion (who Married Ivan gerald Harris)   I am looking for any information on the Family that came out to South Africa (on the SS Spartan probably in 1887) Info on where i may obtain info on Duncan of Ballgrant Isle of Mull, his birth certificate, mariage cert or date, when he passed on and what was cause of death. Also for his wife Elizabeth Jessie Alexander Campbell the son born 1859and died jan 31st 1924  Wife of Alexander Jessie Campbell nee MacQuarrie Born feb 5th 1859 died 1944 in (possibly in South Africa) Parents of Duncan Cambell (of Ballygrant)and where they lived in Isle of Mull.   Here is a Glascow death notice for the death at 26 of Hugh Gilchrist Campbell wit info on te addreses above http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6326685132/in/photostream The date you see in pencil is not related to this (iiw Harris says)   I will be most greatful to find this info Ivan Wiliam Harris (from South Africa) Currently living in Saudi Arabia +966505414576

Hi Tricia Thanks for this. I found this in the 1881 census so I think we have a winner with this one. Now to figure out who Allan's wife was or who his son Archibald married (:-)))) Census Place: Finch, Stormont, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375863 NAC C-13227 Dist 101 SubDist B Div 2 Page 26 Family 108 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace Allan MCDOUGALL M W 88 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Archey MCDOUGALL M M 42 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: C. Presbyterian Mary MCDOUGALL F M 30 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Hugh MCDOUGALL M 8 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Archey MCDOUGALL M 7 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Flora MCDOUGALL F 6 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian John MCDOUGALL M 3 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian Agness MCDOUGALL F 2 Scottish O <Ontario> Religion: C. Presbyterian later Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia Barnett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > Hi Ida. > Our reply messages to Ted's text must have been composed around same time > :) > Ted > I too would love to know about the 1871 census - eg who else in the > households of Allan and Murdoch. > > During my searches I found this Death: ( a diff Allan but from Mull) > name:Allan Mcdougall > event:Death > event date:03 Oct 1883 > event place:Finch, Stormont, Ontario > gender:Male > age:96 > estimated birth year:1787 > digital folder number:4032998 > birth: 1787 Parish Kilminion,​ Mull,​ Argyleshire,​ Scotland > > Tricia > > > ________________________________ > From: Merle & Ida King <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 6 November, 2011 20:02:25 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > > Hi Ted > > Welcome to the list. Although Bruce Co., Ont is off my research path I'm > always interested in Mull connections. > I'd love also to see who you have in the 1871 census Elderslie, Bruce Co., > Ont who their neighbours might be as I found nothing in Bruce Co for Allan > McDougall & Flora McKillop.. > > thanks Ida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my first post here, so hopefully I have got the format & address correct. My name is John Livingstone from Greenock, Scotland, I am looking for information on the following female members of the family of Angus Livingstone, b. abt. 1775, probably at Kilpatrick/Shiaba, Isle of Mull, & his wife Margaret Hall, I have researched these family members for many years with no success, www.scotsfamily.com have also researched them, also unsuccessfully, 1. Mary - b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire, 31 Oct. 1802.2. Betty - b. Kilpatrick, Kilfinicheon & Kilvickeon, 25 Apr. 1807. (Possibly married a Robt. McLachlan from Lochaline, or so I've been told).3. Unknown - b. Shiaba, Kilfinicheon & Kilvickeon, 29 Sept. 1816. (There is a thought that this could actually be a male called James, another unproven theory).4. Jane - b. Shiaba, Kilfinicheon & Kilvickeon, 18 Jan. 1829 Other family members, all of whom I have detailed information on, are my g/g/grandfather John, b. Kilpatrick, 07 Feb. 1805, d. 06 July 1858 at Tirvagan, Isle of Islay / Cirsty, b. Shiaba, 29 Oct. 1809 (m. Peter McArthur 18 Dec. 1827, d. abt. 1832 at Iona). / Duncan, b. Shiaba, 30 Sept. 1814 / Hugh, b. Shiaba, 06 June 1819 / Ann, b. Shiaba, 29 Dec. 1821 (Died in Govan Poorhouse 08 July 1860). I am also researching where Angus & Margaret disappeared to, the last time they make an appearance, is in the 1841 Colonsay census, when they were resident at Uragaig, Colonsay. My g/g/grandfather & his family arrived on Islay around this time, so it's possible Angus & Margaret ended up there also, although, so far I can find no proof of this theory. Angus is listed as a Chelsea Pensioner, & in the 1841 census, Margaret is shown as ''Born in Foreign Places'', so possibly they met while Angus was doing military service. Any information will be gratefully accepted, & if anyone is interested in further information on the family, I have a fairly detailed family tree + OPR's etc. available, John Livingstone

Hi Ida. Our reply messages to Ted's text must have been composed around same time   :) Ted I too would love to know about the 1871 census - eg who else in the households of Allan and Murdoch. During my searches I found this Death:   ( a diff Allan but from Mull) name:Allan Mcdougall event:Death event date:03 Oct 1883 event place:Finch, Stormont, Ontario gender:Male age:96 estimated birth year:1787 digital folder number:4032998 birth: 1787 Parish Kilminion,​ Mull,​ Argyleshire,​ Scotland Tricia ________________________________ From: Merle & Ida King <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 6 November, 2011 20:02:25 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage Hi Ted Welcome to the list. Although Bruce Co., Ont is off my research path I'm always interested in Mull connections. I'd love also to see who you have in the 1871 census Elderslie, Bruce Co., Ont  who their neighbours might be as I found nothing in Bruce Co for Allan McDougall & Flora McKillop.. thanks Ida

Ted,  I assume your Murdoch was b c 1828 Scotland and died 1874 Ontario. Did you have a marriage in Canada for Murdoch if his spouse Mary was only 23 in 1871 census????  was she also born Scotland. I found a Murdoch 1871 census in Elderslie, Bruce Onatrio but with a spouse Annie aged 24!! May I ask which yDNA group you are? ________________________________ From: Ted Mills <[email protected]> To: [email protected] In Elderslie, in 1871, this Allan and Flora were living next door to Murdoch McDougall and Mary (McDougall) McDougall, aged 42 and 23 respectively, and we suspect they may have been related, in spite of the different surname spellings used.  (My goal is actually to trace this Murdoch and Mary back into their Scottish roots, since a living male descendant's yDNA is nearly identical to that of men in my mother's family.) Ted Mills [email protected]

I am interested in this also as Archibald McDougall m Lily MacKillop 6 May 1811 Torosay..  Marriage as McLullich in Kilpatrick.  I am thinking that he relates to my McDougall who were also sometimes transcribed as McLullich in Torosay late 1700s early 1800s ....... Meanwhile  - worth exploring perhaps......McKillop or MCGILP Duncan McDougall and Mary Buchanan m in 1817 had a son Allan b25 Apr 1824, Drumfin, Isle of Mull, Argyllshire, Scotland Now in 1851 in Row Dunbarton there is a Mary b to Allan Mcdougall,​ Flora Mcgilp. name:Mary Mcdougall gender:Female baptism/christening date:01 Jan 1852 baptism/christening place:ROW,DUNBARTON,SCOTLAND birth date:02 Nov 1851 father's name:Allan Mcdougall mother's name:Flora Mcgilp indexing project (batch) number:C11503-4 system origin:Scotland-ODM source film number:unknown They married in  18 October 1850 Row Dunbartonshire  (banns poss also at Inchinnan,Renfrew,Scotland 12 Oct 1850) 1851 Census shows Allan McDougall 24 and Flora McGilp 22 as both born in Mull  living in Row. her maiden name given. Piece: SCT1851/503 Place: Row -Dunbartonshire Enumeration District: 6 Folio: 593 Page: 8 Schedule: 26 He a Ploughman.  1841 on the mullgenealogy site is Flora McGilp aged 14   1841 Kilfinichen & Kilvicheon District No : 7   Page No : 12   House No : 49   Locality : Kinloch 18412382 Allan could have been an agric worker 1841 at Ardnacroft.Salen  aged 15 1841 Salen District : 3   Page No : 3   House No : 12   Locality : Ardnacroft 18415093 and poss his parents also in Salen  1841 Salen District : 3   Page No : 5   House No : 24   Locality : Kentalen 18415105 This all needs checking out of course but looks possible. I didn't find a birth for Duncan c 1855!!!!  Tricia (MacDougall g'mother) ________________________________ From: Ted Mills <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 5 November, 2011 15:32:32 Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage As a new person on this list, I am asking whether anyone knows of the Allan McDougald - Flora McKillop marriage on the Isle of Mull, sometime prior to 1853.  They appear on the 1871 census of Elderslie, Bruce, Ontario, aged 48 and 43 respectively, with a note that their two oldest children (Mary and Duncan) were born in Scotland and their third child (Ann 14) was born in Ontario.  This suggests immigration to Canada about 1856.  Their daughter, Mary Jane, 22 years old, married Andrew Hamilton in Greenock, Bruce, Ontario in 1874, and at that time Mary Jane reported her birthplace as "Island of Mull, Scotland." In Elderslie, in 1871, this Allan and Flora were living next door to Murdoch McDougall and Mary (McDougall) McDougall, aged 42 and 23 respectively, and we suspect they may have been related, in spite of the different surname spellings used.  (My goal is actually to trace this Murdoch and Mary back into their Scottish roots, since a living male descendant's yDNA is nearly identical to that of men in my mother's family.) The names of Allan, Flora, and Mary Jane appear on the Mull Genealogy Surname Index but without further data.  An Allan McDougall-Flora McKillop family  appears  in the 1841 Scottish census for Kilninian/Kilmore but with a different listing of children and earlier birthdates than the couple I am seeking, so I think they are not the same people. If any of this sounds familiar, I would appreciate a reply. Ted Mills [email protected]

Hi Ted Welcome to the list. Although Bruce Co., Ont is off my research path I'm always interested in Mull connections. I'd love to know more about the marriage details you have for Mary Jane McDougall & Andrew Hamilton. You may want to give Dudley Baker [email protected] (hopefully the address is still current) a call as he has Mary Jane McDougall b abt 1852 m'd to Andrew Alexander Hamilton. Only thing different is Mary Jane's parents are Allan McDougall & Margaret Munro. I have nothing further on this Dudley or where the information came from sorry. 1881 Census Place: Brant, Bruce South, Ontario, Canada Source: FHL Film 1375911 NAC C-13275 Dist 176 SubDist H Div 2 Page 32 Family 136 Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace John DOUGLAS M M 47 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Canada Eliza DOUGLAS F M 46 Scottish Scotland Religion: Presbyterian Canada Thomas DOUGLAS M 29 Scottish USA Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Canada John J. DOUGLAS M 21 Scottish O. <Ontario> Occ: Blacksmith Religion: Presbyterian Canada Isabella DOUGLAS F 18 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Annie A. DOUGLAS F 16 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Alexander DOUGLAS M 13 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Jessie E. DOUGLAS F 11 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Frances DOUGLAS F 9 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada James HAMILTON M W 72 Scottish Scotland Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Canada Catherine HAMILTON F 37 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Andrew HAMILTON M M 33 Scottish O. <Ontario> Occ: Farmer Religion: Presbyterian Canada Mary Jane HAMILTON F M 27 Scottish Scotland Religion: Presbyterian Canada Flora HAMILTON F 4 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada Isabella HAMILTON F 1 Scottish O. <Ontario> Religion: Presbyterian Canada I'd love also to see who you have in the 1871 census Elderslie, Bruce Co., Ont who their neighbours might be as I found nothing in Bruce Co for Allan McDougall & Flora McKillop.. thanks Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Mills" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 8:32 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] McDougal-McKillop marriage > As a new person on this list, I am asking whether anyone knows of the > Allan McDougald - Flora McKillop marriage on the Isle of Mull, sometime > prior to 1853. They appear on the 1871 census of Elderslie, Bruce, > Ontario, aged 48 and 43 respectively, with a note that their two oldest > children (Mary and Duncan) were born in Scotland and their third child > (Ann 14) was born in Ontario. This suggests immigration to Canada about > 1856. Their daughter, Mary Jane, 22 years old, married Andrew Hamilton > in Greenock, Bruce, Ontario in 1874, and at that time Mary Jane reported > her birthplace as "Island of Mull, Scotland." > > In Elderslie, in 1871, this Allan and Flora were living next door to > Murdoch McDougall and Mary (McDougall) McDougall, aged 42 and 23 > respectively, and we suspect they may have been related, in spite of the > different surname spellings used. (My goal is actually to trace this > Murdoch and Mary back into their Scottish roots, since a living male > descendant's yDNA is nearly identical to that of men in my mother's > family.) > > The names of Allan, Flora, and Mary Jane appear on the Mull Genealogy > Surname Index but without further data. An Allan McDougall-Flora > McKillop family appears in the 1841 Scottish census for > Kilninian/Kilmore but with a different listing of children and earlier > birthdates than the couple I am seeking, so I think they are not the > same people. > > If any of this sounds familiar, I would appreciate a reply. > > Ted Mills > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a new person on this list, I am asking whether anyone knows of the Allan McDougald - Flora McKillop marriage on the Isle of Mull, sometime prior to 1853. They appear on the 1871 census of Elderslie, Bruce, Ontario, aged 48 and 43 respectively, with a note that their two oldest children (Mary and Duncan) were born in Scotland and their third child (Ann 14) was born in Ontario. This suggests immigration to Canada about 1856. Their daughter, Mary Jane, 22 years old, married Andrew Hamilton in Greenock, Bruce, Ontario in 1874, and at that time Mary Jane reported her birthplace as "Island of Mull, Scotland." In Elderslie, in 1871, this Allan and Flora were living next door to Murdoch McDougall and Mary (McDougall) McDougall, aged 42 and 23 respectively, and we suspect they may have been related, in spite of the different surname spellings used. (My goal is actually to trace this Murdoch and Mary back into their Scottish roots, since a living male descendant's yDNA is nearly identical to that of men in my mother's family.) The names of Allan, Flora, and Mary Jane appear on the Mull Genealogy Surname Index but without further data. An Allan McDougall-Flora McKillop family appears in the 1841 Scottish census for Kilninian/Kilmore but with a different listing of children and earlier birthdates than the couple I am seeking, so I think they are not the same people. If any of this sounds familiar, I would appreciate a reply. Ted Mills [email protected]

Hi All I have no connection to this family but I'm wondering if someone else might have or know who these people are? These look like the possibilites from 1851 TBR Breast McInnes Isabella 30 W laundress Tobermory m's John McLean 1816 1881 census Glenuig, Ardnamurchan Argyll Breast McInnes John 2 s Tobermory My speculation Isabel may have been married twice to a ? McInnis who dies before the census of 1851 then she marries this John MacLean who either adopts John McInnes or John simply takes the MacLean name. I haven't been able to find Isabel and son John in 1861 or 1871 on Mull so perhaps they left the island 1881 Dwelling: Glenuig Census Place: Ardnamurchan, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203554 GRO Ref Volume 505-1 EnumDist 7 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MACLEAN M 65 M Moidart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shoemaker Isabella MACLEAN M 60 F Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Shoemakers Wife John MACLEAN M 30 M Tobermory, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Shoemaker Ann MACLEAN M 39 F Moidart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Daur In Law Occ: Shoemaker Wife James MACLEAN 6 M Moidart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Grandson Occ: Scholar Sarah MACLEAN 4 F Moidart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Grand Daur Alexander MACLEAN > 1 M Moidart, Inverness, Scotland Rel: Grandson thanks Ida

Hi all Been reading correspondence on the site and thought perhaps someone could help with the following problem. I’m trying to connect Alexander McDonald, tacksman of Dererach who, with a lady named McFaden (no first name known but probably Mary) had a ‘natural’ son,Malcolm (my gg grandfather),baptised at Kilfinichen August 11 1811 with Angus McDonald,tacksman of Advergnish b.1681 and dying 1741. He is interred at Kilfinichen burial ground together with his wife Khaterina and two of their children. There must be at least two generations between the two and possibly three. My G Grandfather (Allan Macdonald, son of Malcolm) buried his first wife, Catherine Dow, alongside Angus believing him to be his gg grandfather. Given that Allan was born in 1846 it would appear he was at least a couple of ‘greats’ short. The lack of OPRs from prior to 1804 does not make things easier for Kilfinichen research. I believe there is also a possibility of involvement with McLeans or McLaines in the distant past. There is a table type burial stone inscribed with the arms of Maclean of Ardgour abutting the grave of Angus McDonald whose stone bears what I think are the arms of Clanranald. Any help or suggestions re the above would be gratefully received. Best regards Grahame Macdonald Newcastle NSW Australia ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: 11/01/11

Hi Graham Sorry I have no connection to your family. Although I'm always interested in helping others or having others help our website http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/ grow. eg Isabel's maiden name and where or when they married or who Malcolm & Isabel's children married anything that will help fill in the blanks. In1841 Dareroch, Kilfinichen: Malcolm McDonald 30 with wife Isabella McDonald 30 and Alexander McDonald 9 months. so I presume these are yours also in this h/h is a Mary McPhadyen 60 and Effy McPhadyen 40. Do you know who these McFadyens are ? I haven't found a trace of them in Mull in 1851 but in 1861 Arinagour, Coll Malcolm McDonald Head Marr. 47 Merchant b. Mull 3 rooms Bell McDonald wife 52 " Alexander McDonald son Unm. 20 " Allan McDonald " " 18 " >From 1881 Dwelling: Fidden Road And Earrald Ferry Census Place: Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203562 GRO Ref Volume 542 EnumDist 10 Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Allan MC DONALD M 35 M Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mate H L Service Catherine MC DONALD M 35 F Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Mates Wife Could this Allan be the one recorded as born in Tyree Feb 3 1846 C115518, 1202 (IGI reference #) with parents Malcolm & Isabel McDonald ? When did Allan & Catherine marry and where? If you have further details of this line super. Perhaps a tidbit will spawn from an additional posting that will help you with other generations. thanks Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Robyn Macdonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Macdonalds,McDonalds on MULL > Hi all > Been reading correspondence on the site and thought perhaps someone could > help with the following problem. I’m trying to connect Alexander McDonald, > tacksman of Dererach who, with a lady named McFaden (no first name known > but probably Mary) had a ‘natural’ son,Malcolm (my gg > grandfather),baptised at Kilfinichen August 11 1811 with Angus > McDonald,tacksman of Advergnish b.1681 and dying 1741. He is interred at > Kilfinichen burial ground together with his wife Khaterina and two of > their children. There must be at least two generations between the two and > possibly three. My G Grandfather (Allan Macdonald, son of Malcolm) buried > his first wife, Catherine Dow, alongside Angus believing him to be his gg > grandfather. Given that Allan was born in 1846 it would appear he was at > least a couple of ‘greats’ short. The lack of OPRs from prior to 1804 does > not make things easier for Kilfinichen research. I believe there is also a > possibility of involvement with McLeans or McLaines in the distant past. > There is a table type burial stone inscribed with the arms of Maclean of > Ardgour abutting the grave of Angus McDonald whose stone bears what I > think are the arms of Clanranald. Any help or suggestions re the above > would be gratefully received. > Best regards > Grahame Macdonald > Newcastle NSW Australia > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: 11/01/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Graham...I, too, have problems resesrching Ross of Mull history prior to 1800.  A DNA test has linked my MacEachen 2d great-grandmother to MacEachans from S.Uist (and apparently descend from Hector MacLean).  I questioned how/why and received this reply from S.Uist historian:   Angus MacMillan has ties to Mull & S. Uist and is a published historian and he states:   "your MacEachen connection was in Mull before the first MacEachans are recorded in South Uist. That latter date was 1702. We know too that they have been identified as MacLeans from Druimindarroch in Arisaig in Garmoran, the Clanranald 'rough bounds' including Moidart. This means to my mind, and it makes absolute sense, that if it was indeed via the MacEachans that you are related to Kathy then what must have happened was that one or more of your family of the name, presumably descended from a Hector MacLean, crossed the Sound of Mull, while the rest of the family remained behind. The MacEachan name then  migrated to South Uist in 1700 or so or to Benbecula when members of the same family established themselves in Benbecula in the aftermath of the Battle of Culloden in 1746. Various of the Benbecula MacEachans and no doubt representatives of the Howbeg/South Uist crew then emigrated to PEI/CB and later to Ontario and Saskatchewan and DNA came along."   Happy hunting, Jill Allford - [email protected] ________________________________ From: Merle & Ida King <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Macdonalds,McDonalds on MULL Hi Graham Sorry I have no connection to your family. Although I'm always interested in helping others or having others help our website http://www.mullgenealogy.co.uk/  grow. eg Isabel's maiden name and where or when they married or who Malcolm & Isabel's children married anything that will help fill in the blanks. In1841 Dareroch, Kilfinichen: Malcolm McDonald 30 with wife Isabella McDonald 30 and Alexander McDonald 9 months. so I presume these are yours also in this h/h is a Mary McPhadyen 60 and Effy McPhadyen 40. Do you know who these McFadyens are ? I haven't found a trace of them in Mull in 1851 but in 1861 Arinagour, Coll Malcolm McDonald Head Marr. 47 Merchant b. Mull 3 rooms Bell McDonald wife 52 " Alexander McDonald son Unm. 20 " Allan McDonald " " 18 " From 1881  Dwelling: Fidden Road And Earrald Ferry Census Place: Kilfinichen & Kilvickeon, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203562    GRO Ref    Volume 542    EnumDist 10    Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Allan MC DONALD M 35  M Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mate H L Service Catherine MC DONALD M 35  F Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Mates Wife Could this Allan be the one recorded as born in Tyree Feb 3 1846 C115518, 1202 (IGI reference #) with parents Malcolm & Isabel McDonald ? When did Allan & Catherine marry and where? If you have further details of this line super. Perhaps a tidbit will spawn from an additional posting that will help you with other generations. thanks Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Robyn Macdonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Macdonalds,McDonalds on MULL > Hi all > Been reading correspondence on the site and thought perhaps someone could > help with the following problem. I’m trying to connect Alexander McDonald, > tacksman of Dererach who, with a lady named McFaden (no first name known > but probably Mary) had a ‘natural’ son,Malcolm (my gg > grandfather),baptised at Kilfinichen August 11 1811 with Angus > McDonald,tacksman of Advergnish b.1681 and dying 1741. He is interred at > Kilfinichen burial ground together with his wife Khaterina and two of > their children. There must be at least two generations between the two and > possibly three. My G Grandfather (Allan Macdonald, son of Malcolm) buried > his first wife, Catherine Dow, alongside Angus believing him to be his gg > grandfather. Given that Allan was born in 1846 it would appear he was at > least a couple of ‘greats’ short. The lack of OPRs from prior to 1804 does > not make things easier for Kilfinichen research. I believe there is also a > possibility of involvement with McLeans or McLaines in the distant past. > There is a table type burial stone inscribed with the arms of Maclean of > Ardgour abutting the grave of Angus McDonald whose stone bears what I > think are the arms of Clanranald. Any help or suggestions re the above > would be gratefully received. > Best regards > Grahame Macdonald > Newcastle NSW Australia > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: 11/01/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the messageScotland Source: FHL Film 0203562    GRO Ref    Volume 542    EnumDist 10    Page 4 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Allan MC DONALD M 35  M Mull, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mate H L Service Catherine MC DONALD M 35  F Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Mates Wife Could this Allan be the one recorded as born in Tyree Feb 3 1846 C115518, 1202 (IGI reference #) with parents Malcolm & Isabel McDonald ? When did Allan & Catherine marry and where? If you have further details of this line super. Perhaps a tidbit will spawn from an additional posting that will help you with other generations. thanks Ida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grahame & Robyn Macdonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:35 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Macdonalds,McDonalds on MULL > Hi all > Been reading correspondence on the site and thought perhaps someone could > help with the following problem. I’m trying to connect Alexander McDonald, > tacksman of Dererach who, with a lady named McFaden (no first name known > but probably Mary) had a ‘natural’ son,Malcolm (my gg > grandfather),baptised at Kilfinichen August 11 1811 with Angus > McDonald,tacksman of Advergnish b.1681 and dying 1741. He is interred at > Kilfinichen burial ground together with his wife Khaterina and two of > their children. There must be at least two generations between the two and > possibly three. My G Grandfather (Allan Macdonald, son of Malcolm) buried > his first wife, Catherine Dow, alongside Angus believing him to be his gg > grandfather. Given that Allan was born in 1846 it would appear he was at > least a couple of ‘greats’ short. The lack of OPRs from prior to 1804 does > not make things easier for Kilfinichen research. I believe there is also a > possibility of involvement with McLeans or McLaines in the distant past. > There is a table type burial stone inscribed with the arms of Maclean of > Ardgour abutting the grave of Angus McDonald whose stone bears what I > think are the arms of Clanranald. Any help or suggestions re the above > would be gratefully received. > Best regards > Grahame Macdonald > Newcastle NSW Australia > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3990 - Release Date: 11/01/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Evening All Dwelly's Illustrated Gaelic English Dictionary,the general authority on Gaelic words gives ros with the following meanings - seed, linseed, promontory, isthmus, peninsula, science, knowledge, arable land" and one of the examples of the uses of the word "ros" which he gives is "an ros Muileach" which he translates as "the peninsula or promontory of Mull". In Gaelic, the inhabitants of the Ross of Mull where known individually as "Rosach" and collectively as "Rosaich" - incidentally the usage "muileach" is the adjective relating to the island of Mull which is known in Gaelic as Muile, and it can also be applied to people used as a noun - "Muileach" - a person from Mull, or "Muilich" people from Mull or indeed the entire population of the island. James > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:34:21 +0100 > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ross of Mull > > > Headland ? > On 26 Oct 2011, at 18:08, "Elaine Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of “Ross” as in the Ross of Mull? I had assumed it was some kind of geographic reference but I’ve not been able to find anything. > > > > Elaine Robinson > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Headland ? On 26 Oct 2011, at 18:08, "Elaine Robinson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of “Ross” as in the Ross of Mull? I had assumed it was some kind of geographic reference but I’ve not been able to find anything. > > Elaine Robinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The word Ross derives from the Gaelic, it means Headland :) On 26 October 2011 18:08, Elaine Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone tell me the meaning of “Ross” as in the Ross of Mull? I had > assumed it was some kind of geographic reference but I’ve not been able to > find anything. > > Elaine Robinson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Donnie Mac

Thanks to you both. Elaine -----Original Message----- From: James Beaton Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ross of Mull Good Evening All Dwelly's Illustrated Gaelic English Dictionary,the general authority on Gaelic words gives ros with the following meanings - seed, linseed, promontory, isthmus, peninsula, science, knowledge, arable land" and one of the examples of the uses of the word "ros" which he gives is "an ros Muileach" which he translates as "the peninsula or promontory of Mull". In Gaelic, the inhabitants of the Ross of Mull where known individually as "Rosach" and collectively as "Rosaich" - incidentally the usage "muileach" is the adjective relating to the island of Mull which is known in Gaelic as Muile, and it can also be applied to people used as a noun - "Muileach" - a person from Mull, or "Muilich" people from Mull or indeed the entire population of the island. James > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:34:21 +0100 > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLEOFMULL] Ross of Mull > > > Headland ?

Hi Can anyone tell me the meaning of “Ross” as in the Ross of Mull? I had assumed it was some kind of geographic reference but I’ve not been able to find anything. Elaine Robinson

The emigrant ship "Conrad" made at least two voyages to Canada - one in June 1850 with 167 passengers from Tiree and 74 from Mull, and one in July 1851 with 389 from Tiree. On the Isle of Tiree Genealogy website I have a full passenger list of the 1850 voyage, but for the 1851 voyage I have only a list of the head-of-family and the number of family members. To make the passenger lists more useful, I would appreciate any information about the township origins of the Mull passengers on the 1850 voyage and the names of the Tiree wives and children on the 1851 voyage. ___________________________________________ Keith Dash Sydney, Australia Isle of Tiree Genealogy: www.tireegenealogy.com Isle of Coll Genealogy: www.collgenealogy.com