Hi everyone, In order to show you what it looks like for those who receive their messages as periodic digests, I have temporarily ignored netiquette (in other words I have not trimmed off the unneeded parts of previous messages). As you can see below, many messages get repeated a number of times, often obscuring the intent of the original message and confusing the thread. None of us are perfect and it is just so easy to hit the reply button and quickly get your thoughts down as a reply before (in my case) you forget them! We have all done it, I'm sure, but I ask you to try to remember to trim off old parts of former messages that are no longer needed and keep the threads tidy. Please! All the best Jim ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of sct-islay-request@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: 28 April 2016 20:00 To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-ISLAY Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11 If replying with quote to a digest message, quote =ONLY= the relevant portion of the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. ALSO: change the subject of your reply to match the message subject to which you are replying. Failure to follow these guidelines may result in your reply being rejected. Today's Topics: 1. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (Carolyn Harmon) 2. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (J LOCHRIDGE) 3. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (Robert McArthur) 4. Fw: We' all Irish - not Scotish (J LOCHRIDGE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:02:28 -0500 From: Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: sjhuber1@comcast.net, sct-islay@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CALwFPHW3hoAJco8uEiS8vp6c0DG4Fo0M=htLFe7dsgAkqRD+bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:17:15 +0000 (UTC) From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "sct-islay@rootsweb.com" <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <179349148.6093512.1461842235890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well,I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). ?All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. ?I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that!? I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up)? as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 04:50:03 -0700 From: "Robert McArthur" <rmcarthur@cox.net> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "'Carolyn Harmon'" <charmon59@gmail.com>, <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1B09E7D3E38743D78CC1C4914A1D27F1@Robert2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" For a further wrinkle in the genetic background of Islay descendents, consider the following. The paternal (Y-DNA) of many inhabitants of the Inner and Outer Hebrides is neither Irish (Dalriadan) nor Scottish (Pictish) but instead is Viking DNA (Haplogroup R1A1A). This DNA is shared with about half the population of Iceland and around twenty-five per cent of the population of Norway and reflects the conquest of the area by the Vikings in the ninth century. Protestantism did not exist in any significant numbers in Northern Ireland until after 1600. Everyone in England, Scotland, and Ireland was Roman Catholic until circa 1540. Robert -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Harmon via Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:02 AM To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:58:14 +0000 (UTC) From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Fw: We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com" <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <348458895.6186200.1461844694699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). ?All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. ?I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that!? I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up)? as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. 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