Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the North Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a McKean.I've often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Dear All > > > > I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - > 1919) > met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me > whether > the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of Tarbert, > Argyll? > > > > My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable > record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded in > the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in > Kynagarry > under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead by > 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked > as > a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I don't > know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's > four > sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) > and > Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, > all > but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The > two > younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh most > probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police > inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was > good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in > Southland. > > > > You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and Hugh > had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New Zealand? > Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - 1907) > a > couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this > arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland > or > was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had > been > working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant > in > Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established > relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels > Dugald > and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively > lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their > families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that > between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid thirties? > > > > > Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field > with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter > frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite > remarkable > that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, > mother > and wife it must have been extremely difficult. > > > > I hope somebody in the Islay network can help > > Sincerely > > John McKinnon > > > > > > 48 Ferry Road > > Days Bay > > Wellington 5013 > > New Zealand > > > > Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 > > Mobile +64 21 1350103 > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/07/10 18:35:00

Celia All of the Islay McKinnon male descendants of Alexander and Hugh can be accounted for save one. None of those for whom I have information live in Taihape or Rangiwahia. However, Alexander (1835 - 1926) had a son John George McKinnon (1879 - 1951) who may have had some falling out with his father perhaps over war service (his two younger brothers Robert and Walter went to France). John left Gore, Southland, moved to the North Island and didn't maintain much contact with his family. He married Beatrice Madeline Swan in 1915 and spent most of his life in Harewa, Taranaki working as a clerk. He and Beatrice had two children a boy and a girl who must have been brought up in Hawera but as yet I've not dug out their names. No McKinnon's were living in Hawera in 2008 when I started to take an interest in family history and I didn't follow the matter up. These two children, on the death of their bachelor Uncle Alexander (1875 - 1953) who had not left a will, inherited the family farm Whiterig in east Gore. Although the will was contested by other relatives the court decided that the estate should pass to John's children. They sold the farm. At that time Gore was one of the most prosperous farming areas in New Zealand and it would have set them up pretty well to buy a farm elsewhere. Maybe the McKinnon's at Taihape or Rangiwahia know this story and make up (for me!)the missing branch of the family? I can't do any better than this. Cheers, Another John! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Celia Geary Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 9:46 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the North Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a McKean.I've often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Dear All > > > > I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - > 1919) > met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me > whether > the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of Tarbert, > Argyll? > > > > My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable > record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded in > the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in > Kynagarry > under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead by > 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked > as > a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I don't > know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's > four > sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) > and > Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, > all > but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The > two > younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh most > probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police > inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was > good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in > Southland. > > > > You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and Hugh > had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New Zealand? > Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - 1907) > a > couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this > arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland > or > was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had > been > working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant > in > Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established > relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels > Dugald > and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively > lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their > families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that > between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid thirties? > > > > > Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field > with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter > frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite > remarkable > that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, > mother > and wife it must have been extremely difficult. > > > > I hope somebody in the Islay network can help > > Sincerely > > John McKinnon > > > > > > 48 Ferry Road > > Days Bay > > Wellington 5013 > > New Zealand > > > > Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 > > Mobile +64 21 1350103 > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. 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I'll see what I can do to find out about this branch of the family. I'll contact you off List .Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Celia > > All of the Islay McKinnon male descendants of Alexander and Hugh can be > accounted for save one. None of those for whom I have information live in > Taihape or Rangiwahia. > > However, Alexander (1835 - 1926) had a son John George McKinnon (1879 - > 1951) who may have had some falling out with his father perhaps over war > service (his two younger brothers Robert and Walter went to France). John > left Gore, Southland, moved to the North Island and didn't maintain much > contact with his family. He married Beatrice Madeline Swan in 1915 and > spent > most of his life in Harewa, Taranaki working as a clerk. He and Beatrice > had > two children a boy and a girl who must have been brought up in Hawera but > as > yet I've not dug out their names. No McKinnon's were living in Hawera in > 2008 when I started to take an interest in family history and I didn't > follow the matter up. > > These two children, on the death of their bachelor Uncle Alexander (1875 - > 1953) who had not left a will, inherited the family farm Whiterig in east > Gore. Although the will was contested by other relatives the court decided > that the estate should pass to John's children. They sold the farm. At > that > time Gore was one of the most prosperous farming areas in New Zealand and > it > would have set them up pretty well to buy a farm elsewhere. > > Maybe the McKinnon's at Taihape or Rangiwahia know this story and make up > (for me!)the missing branch of the family? I can't do any better than > this. > Cheers, > Another John! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Celia Geary > Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 9:46 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > > Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the > North > Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between > those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a > McKean.I've > often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > > >> Dear All >> >> >> >> I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - >> 1919) >> met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me >> whether >> the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of >> Tarbert, >> Argyll? >> >> >> >> My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable >> record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded >> in >> the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in >> Kynagarry >> under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead >> by >> 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked >> as >> a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I >> don't >> know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's >> four >> sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) >> and >> Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, >> all >> but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The >> two >> younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh >> most >> probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police >> inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was >> good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in >> Southland. >> >> >> >> You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and >> Hugh >> had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New >> Zealand? >> Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - >> 1907) > >> a >> couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this >> arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland >> or >> was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had >> been >> working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant >> in >> Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established >> relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels >> Dugald >> and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively >> lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their >> families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that >> between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid >> thirties? >> >> >> >> >> Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field >> with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter >> frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite >> remarkable >> that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, >> mother >> and wife it must have been extremely difficult. >> >> >> >> I hope somebody in the Islay network can help >> >> Sincerely >> >> John McKinnon >> >> >> >> >> >> 48 Ferry Road >> >> Days Bay >> >> Wellington 5013 >> >> New Zealand >> >> >> >> Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 >> >> Mobile +64 21 1350103 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor >> netiquette. 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