Recently I was going through the archives and found this info on Ted Larsen's data. Seeing all the messages recently, I thought to share the link with everyone. In this message there is a link to the data, however I haven't followed all to see if all data is there, but I opened a couple and they worked. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/sct-islay/2012-11/1353316070 Kylla

Hi Janet Firstly, Finlaggan has nothing to do with the issue of the missing BMD databases. Finlaggan was given the Islay Cultural Databas by Roger McWee. A variety of access memberships at differing prices were sold by Finlaggan but the link suddenly stopped and paid members could no longer get information. I know I lost money on this. Roger continued been his usual generous self and continued to share data from the ICD. Roger incorporated BMDs and census data in the ICD but they constitute just a portion of the the ICD. When you access Ted's site as you indicated, you do see the links. However the Births, Marriages and Deaths links do not connect. Thankfully the Portnahaven link still works. The only good thing about all of this is that people are responding, showing there's still life in SCT-ISLAY. It's been too quiet for too long. Regards, Sue Visser

Hi Lynn, I would love a copy of the spreadsheet(s) if possible. elizabeth.duerkop@gmail.com. My interest is mostly in the Curries (Neil b. 1781 m. Isabella Johnston b. 1803, their family including daughter Jessie b. 1827 Kilchoman, who married George Polson in Bowmore in 1851), but there are others I need to look into as well. Thank you! Elizabeth

None of the links work for me either. Goes to Rootsweb and says no longer available Candy -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Seamark via Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2015 6:59 AM To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Birth OPR Hi, I believe I got the birth OPR spreadsheet sent to all those who requested it. If anyone else would like it - the offer is still out there. This spreadsheet is from Ted Larson's old site - I did find the link. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/ted/tribute.htm Thanks, Lynn ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The family in Islay I have been researching is: Subject: Donald McEachern and Catherine MacLellan . Daughter Ann MCEACHERN Birth abt 1816 in Kilchoman Islay, Argyll, Scotland Death 12 Apr 1903 in Leek Gruinart Kilchoman, Argyll, Scotland Parents Donald McEachern Catherine MacLellan. From death cert. Ann married Archibald CAMERON in Kilchoman, Islay. He b in MULL circa 1805 - 09 . His Census data when living in Islay for 1861 1871 says he was born MULL, Argyll. His Death 1879 in Leek Gruinart Kilchoman, Islay aged gives his parents as JOHN CAMERON and ANN MCARTHUR. Informant is a cousin Dugald MACFARLANE. Tricia

I think there is some misunderstanding about what Scotlands People is. It isn’t like Ancestry. http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/visit-us/scotlandspeople-centre The ScotlandsPeople Centre is the official government resource for family history research. We provide access to the Scottish birth, death, marriage and census records, Catholic parish registers, Coats of Arms, valuation rolls, wills and testaments. We are located in central Edinburgh with search rooms in historic General Register House and New Register House. Sue Visser From: M. Diane Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:39 PM To: Sue Visser ; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] a possible reason why the BMD databases are no longer available I doubt that these transcriptions/indexes were done with the use of the Scotland's People website. Likely from microfilms. We'd need to investigate how these were done and see if there were any agreements or any impediments to sharing. However now that ScotlandsPeople has been contacted... These 'rules' have usually nothing to do with privacy. Rather with protecting assets. If you do use Scotland's People you must comply with the company's terms and conditions. Fair enough. However, aren't some or many of these records indexed and available free at FamilySearch? Can some of us compare those transcriptions with what some have saved from the website? Diane M. Diane Rogers British Columbia, Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

These transcriptions on Ted's site would have been done 15 to 20 years back, long before such Copyright, Privacy or Scotland's People issues emerged. Scotland's People does not own the Copyright to the census. Diane is right. Scotland's People is just trying to protect it's copy. It can not own the census, which should be public property. Malcolm Campbell -----Original Message----- From: M. Diane Rogers via Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 2:39 PM To: Sue Visser ; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] a possible reason why the BMD databases are no longer available I doubt that these transcriptions/indexes were done with the use of the Scotland's People website. Likely from microfilms. We'd need to investigate how these were done and see if there were any agreements or any impediments to sharing. However now that ScotlandsPeople has been contacted... These 'rules' have usually nothing to do with privacy. Rather with protecting assets. If you do use Scotland's People you must comply with the company's terms and conditions. Fair enough. However, aren't some or many of these records indexed and available free at FamilySearch? Can some of us compare those transcriptions with what some have saved from the website? Diane M. Diane Rogers British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynn, I think Sue may have something here in the copyright and privacy laws. It's a shame if these records of Ted's can't continue to be accessed. They are so handy to have. Is there any way that the copies that you have could be put onto Dropbox or something similar from which people could save them to their own files? This would be for mailing list subscribers only. I'm not a tech wiz so I don't know for sure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > If there is some other way to give the Ted Larson Islay files access to our group to preserve the work that others have done before us - I would gladly help. More than 10 years ago I fortunately downloaded the Birth, Death and Marriage spreadsheets for all parishes as well as the 1841 census and some of the tenants lists. (I need to look to see what else) I'm sure that others probably did the same. So valuable - many a time I would have several spreadsheets open to cross reference information while sorting out my Curries and McNivens. Although I use the LDS website weekly - you cannot filter and sort instantly as you can with the spreadsheets. > > Maybe others have thoughts on this. > > Lynn > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If there is some other way to give the Ted Larson Islay files access to our group to preserve the work that others have done before us - I would gladly help. More than 10 years ago I fortunately downloaded the Birth, Death and Marriage spreadsheets for all parishes as well as the 1841 census and some of the tenants lists. (I need to look to see what else) I'm sure that others probably did the same. So valuable - many a time I would have several spreadsheets open to cross reference information while sorting out my Curries and McNivens. Although I use the LDS website weekly - you cannot filter and sort instantly as you can with the spreadsheets. Maybe others have thoughts on this. Lynn

Firstly, Ted Larson’s BMD databases were created using transcriptions done by Jack Puttenham of Ontario and adding more transcriptions. I believe the census records were undertaken by a group of volunteers, including Helen Blair and Monta Salmon?? There is a possible reason why the databases can no longer be accessed - privacy laws. I suspect the transcriptions were made before UK privacy laws were tightened (as they were in Canada too). I don’t know if this IS the reason but I share it with the list FYI. I contacted ScotlandsPeople and the reply is below. Regards, Sue Visser From: Denise.Cowan@nrscotland.gov.uk Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 10:31 AM To: genealgal2@execulink.com Subject: Copyright and UK census extracts from 1841 and 1851 Dear Sue Thank you for your email below regarding the 1841 and 1851 Census and Old Parish Records for the Isle of Islay. These records are made available through the ScotlandsPeople website for personal research only and are covered by Crown Copyright. You would be able to transcribe these records for your own use provided there is no form of publication of the records copied. If you wish to publish these records in any form then NRS permission would be required. You would need to provide full details of what you wish to do to allow us to consider your request. In addition for the Census material you may also require a transcription licence. Please contact me if you require any further information. Regards Denise Denise Cowan | Head of Records Enterprise National Records of Scotland | Room 8 | New Register House | Edinburgh EH1 3YT + 44 (0)131 314 4426 | denise.cowan@nrscotland.gov.uk www.nrscotland.gov.uk | www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

I doubt that these transcriptions/indexes were done with the use of the Scotland's People website. Likely from microfilms. We'd need to investigate how these were done and see if there were any agreements or any impediments to sharing. However now that ScotlandsPeople has been contacted... T hese 'rules' have usually nothing to do with privacy. Rather with protecting assets. If you do use Scotland's People you must comply with the company's terms and conditions. Fair enough. However, aren't some or many of these records indexed and available free at FamilySearch? Can some of us compare those transcriptions with what some have saved from the website? Diane M. Diane Rogers British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message -----

Hi Sue, I think you may be thinking of the thread started by me on 17 Nov 2012 when I complained of being "forbidden" to enter Ted Larsen's site. Helen Blair replied with another web address for Steve Gilchrist which had a link to Ted's site. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/data.htm [1] which still worked and still takes you here http://web.archive.org/web/20080301224032/http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/births/ However now when you try to access the OPRs from there you get a "may have moved" message. Cheers, Don stil On 04 Nov 2015 09:17, Sue Visser via wrote: > This subject is not new. Searching the archives reveals a lot. I searched them to try to find a post from Jim Loudon about a new link for the OPRs. Does anyone else remember that he posted about this or was it something I dreamed? The last post I could find from Jim was in 2010 but nothing about a new link. > > Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:20:01 -0400 Helen Blair shared that census records could be found at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ > > Sue Visser > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Links: ------ [1] http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/data.htm

This subject is not new. Searching the archives reveals a lot. I searched them to try to find a post from Jim Loudon about a new link for the OPRs. Does anyone else remember that he posted about this or was it something I dreamed? The last post I could find from Jim was in 2010 but nothing about a new link. Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:20:01 -0400 Helen Blair shared that census records could be found at http://www.freecen.org.uk/ Sue Visser

Jim Loudon, admin, has been MIA for quite some time. I’ve tried in as many ways as I could think of to try to reach him without success. If anyone knows how to reach him, please do. If anyone knows anything else about him (is he ill? has he passed away?) SCT-ISLAY has been like a rudderless ship for too long. (NO! I do not want to be the captain/admin!) Sue Visser

Hi, I am descended from the McMillans of Islay ( mainly from Bowmore area) . I have used Ted Larson's site a lot. Can I just confirm that the spreadsheet you're talking about is still available on this website ? Thanks, Sheila > On 3 Nov 2015, at 23:20, Islay Perkins via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi, I would like to get the spreadsheet as well. My cousin Cam McMillan > has been so good at our McMillan history but I am now working on it also. > And I have been to Islay 2 amazing times! > Thanks > Islay McMillan Perkins > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. > Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lynn, If it isn't too much trouble or too late I too would like the spreadsheet please. Many thanks, Mary Bigger. Stronger. Faster. Sign up for a New Free Email Account at http://MyEmail.com

Tricia I am in your lineage with both those family names as well. Kris Herron Australia -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett via Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 6:46 AM To: 'Lynn Seamark'; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Birth OPR Hi I have the spreadsheets saved a long time ago, I was looking mainly at Campbell and McArthur families who would have had links to Isle of MULL and MacDougall families. Anyone? Tricia ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would love to have this spreadsheet, thanks researching my McDuffie\McArthur\Graham Islay ancestors R. Brown alin270@yahoo.com    -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Seamark via Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:58 PM To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Birth OPR Hi, I believe I got the birth OPR spreadsheet sent to all those who requested it.  If anyone else would like it - the offer is still out there. This spreadsheet is from Ted Larson's old site - I did find the link. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/ted/tribute.htm Thanks, Lynn ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tricia I am interested in Campbell's from Isle of Mull. (xls) I have Shared some of my research previously . But am interested in adding more and receiving. Thx Ivan -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tricia Barnett via Sent: 03 November 2015 23:46 To: 'Lynn Seamark'; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Birth OPR Hi I have the spreadsheets saved a long time ago, I was looking mainly at Campbell and McArthur families who would have had links to Isle of MULL and MacDougall families. Anyone? Tricia ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynn, Thanks for your offer of the OPR spreadsheet. I would also like to receive it. I am a decedent of Angus McCuaig, part of the group of founders of Port Ellen in approx,. 1836. Carol (nee McCuaig) On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, sct-islay-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > [SCT-ISLAY] Birth OPR