Hi Rose Brown, I am looking at your querie in the Islay Cultural Database and I so have the reference to Anne McDuffie alias McCravie dying in 1861 aged 51 years, could you send me a copy of her marriage certificate to see if I can get to the bottom of this reference Regards Roger

HI Toni, Thanks for the contact, I will dig out the info and send it in. Regards Mike ----Original message---- >From : ToniSinclair@hotmail.com Date : 10/12/2015 - 11:46 (GMTST) To : mearnsmg@btinternet.com, sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [SCT-ISLAY] my McDuffie ancestors Hello Michael, This is where you can get the ball rolling. Please give us some names, dates, and/or locations, and our members can see if they have ancestors in common, or might have information that can help you. Toni ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Michael Mearns via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: December 9, 2015 9:52 PM To: Sue Visser; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] my McDuffie ancestors Hi Sue, Hope you can advise me. With Islay ancestors I have been following the many emails that emanate from somewhere, hoping to pickup information. I am unclear how to originate an exchange, to this wide audience, I have posted a message on rootsweb, expecting to see it appear in my inbox but nothing. Can you give me a pointer as to where I should go to start a thread of enquiry. Thanks. regards Michael G Mearns ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michael, This is where you can get the ball rolling. Please give us some names, dates, and/or locations, and our members can see if they have ancestors in common, or might have information that can help you. Toni ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Michael Mearns via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: December 9, 2015 9:52 PM To: Sue Visser; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] my McDuffie ancestors Hi Sue, Hope you can advise me. With Islay ancestors I have been following the many emails that emanate from somewhere, hoping to pickup information. I am unclear how to originate an exchange, to this wide audience, I have posted a message on rootsweb, expecting to see it appear in my inbox but nothing. Can you give me a pointer as to where I should go to start a thread of enquiry. Thanks. regards Michael G Mearns ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue, Hope you can advise me. With Islay ancestors I have been following the many emails that emanate from somewhere, hoping to pickup information. I am unclear how to originate an exchange, to this wide audience, I have posted a message on rootsweb, expecting to see it appear in my inbox but nothing. Can you give me a pointer as to where I should go to start a thread of enquiry. Thanks. regards Michael G Mearns

There could be some valuable information here for an intrepid researcher http://www.friendsoftheargyllpapers.org.uk/ http://friendsoftheargyllpapers.ab-12.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/AP_CollectionLevelDescription_Feb2014.pdf

 Aline From: IPollands via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] alias  Thank you, that makes more sense than anything I have been able to come up with. Rose BrownOntario, Canada   ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know very little about my Islay ancestry (which is why I follow this list - to learn what I can) but in other cases in Scotland I believe I have found that the person was born out of wedlock, and at times used his mother's surname and at other times his father's and some of the records have referred to both names with the alias designation. After all, doesn't it just mean 'also known as'? Irene, in Michigan

Hi Rose Your query interested me as I have some McPhee/McDuffie folks on my tree too but have never seen Mc/MacCravie/Cravey as an alternative name. I checked the Islay OPR birth transcriptions and see there are a couple of other McCravie/McCravy births but they are in Kildalton. McCravey isn't a common Ileach name. I tried to find more general information about "McCravey/McCravie" but there isn't much to be found. One site suggested it was a Sept of MacDonald of Sleat. Your query was about the "alias". There are many names that have aliases or alternatives. Often it was connected to Gaelic names that were Anglicized when Gaelic was outlawed after Culloden (those who spoke Gaelic risked hanging - http://www.highlandclearances.co.uk/clearances/preclearances_cullodenaftermath.htm ) Examples: McCleurich = Clark/Clerk McBeth = Beaton/Bethune Mhuirrich = MacCurrie/Currie McVorran = Morrison etc., etc. There are other name changes not connected to Culloden. My major family name change is McCuaig to McLeod. I have families where some kept McCuaig and others became McLeod. Makes research interesting and challenging. Good Luck with your search. Cheers, Sue Visser -----Original Message----- From: Rose A. Brown via Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 1:13 PM To: SCT-ISLAY-L Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] my McDuffie ancestors My 4xgreat grandfather's name was Charles McDuffie, born 1781 from Kilchoman, Islay, but on his daughter's death cert, his name is given as Charles McDuffie, alias MacCravie. His Daughter's marriage cert also gives her name as Anne MacCravie. Can anyone explain what alias might mean? His marriage cert gives no mention of the name MacCravie. just Charles McDuffie married Anne McArthur. Thanks Rose Brown ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 My 4xgreat grandfather's name was Charles McDuffie, born 1781 from Kilchoman, Islay, but on his daughter's death cert, his name is given as Charles McDuffie, alias MacCravie.  His Daughter's marriage cert also gives her name as Anne MacCravie. Can anyone explain what alias might mean?  His marriage cert gives no mention of the name MacCravie. just Charles McDuffie married Anne McArthur. Thanks Rose Brown

I have the record of my husband's G ? father's children being baptised. "November 23rd my wife delivered of a daughter whom I named Marion Baptised Nov 1843 and 2nd Donald the same day." Clearly second Donald was not an infant. Susan

In the various branches of my ancestry in both Scotland and England (several different counties in each case) there was no consistency in baptism practices. Most had baptisms within a few days or weeks, but some waited up to 6 months (or more). In the late 1700s there was a tax payable on baptisms and in a few branches baptisms were held several years until the tax was repealed. One branch, in Suffolk, delayed years and often "did" the kids in batches, including some in their mid-to-late teens. They did this before, during and after the taxable period, and in at least two generations. They were town folk, so the only reason I can think of is that they were not great church-goers and/or just couldn't be bothered. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sinclair via Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 12:35 AM To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Non Infant Baptisms I have the record of my husband's G ? father's children being baptised. "November 23rd my wife delivered of a daughter whom I named Marion Baptised Nov 1843 and 2nd Donald the same day." Clearly second Donald was not an infant. Susan ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim First answer (smile now) . I am Scottish and Scotch WHISKY is not Whiskey. Ok Smile now. Stewart - My first husband (sadly departed) was a Stewart. Ancestry unknown but via his proven YDna he is on direct line of James 5th High Steward of Scotland. Known links to Isles of Bute and Arran. James 5th High Steward of Scotland 1243 - 1309. Approx(give or take a few gens) was his 21nd great grandfather. My son continues with these genes. Have you data on the Stewarts you are interested in. Tricia. -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James F Thoma via Sent: 03 December 2015 19:19 So here I am with my Powers' whiskey (sorry I like Irish Whiskey better than Scotch Whiskey) By the way, any Stewarts on the Isle?

So here I am with my Powers' whiskey (sorry I like Irish Whiskey better than Scotch Whiskey) and feeling sorry for my wife's missing Malcolm McQuigg / McCuaig / McQuaig. But then I get a report from the graveyard in which he is buried. These old stones are hard to read and this one has been read several times with different results. In this case "Missing Malcolm" could have been born anytime from 1760 to 1762, making him possibly two years younger than previously thought. Now over on the Isle of Islay the Old Parish Records have a Malcolm McCuaig who was baptized in 1765. Previously I thought who would baptize a child at age 5? But now that Malcolm could easily have been born in 1762; baptizing a child at age 3 sounds more plausible. Now over the years I have seen areas that practice infant baptism at birth. Other customs let the infant live a year; while in other areas I have seen baptisms 3 years and later. So what was the baptismal customs on the Isle of Islay. How long where the delays between birth and baptisms in the OPR? By the way, to the kind lady who send me the spreadsheet of births and marriages in an excel spreadsheet. Could you resend it? Somewhere between the first and second bottle of Powers I lost the spreadsheet. Well, it really isn't missing just misplaced - along with that set of car keys that I never found. By the way, any Stewarts on the Isle? Wishing you the best of Christmas to come. Jim Thoma

You might be interested in this: http://uofg.convio.net/site/TR?fr_id=1955&pg=entry Scottish Studies Genealogy Research Repository The Repository will be an important research tool for anyone interested in the history of the Scottish Canadian community, be they academic historians, genealogists, research students, population scientists, journalists, heritage workers, writers, or any Canadian proud of their Scottish ancestry and heritage. Sue Visser

Hi Lynn, If not too much trouble, I would very much appreciate the OPR spreadheet. The link to Ted Larson's site is no longer valid. Thanks. Ken McArthur On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I believe I got the birth OPR spreadsheet sent to all those who > requested it. If anyone else would like it - the offer is still out > there. This spreadsheet is from Ted Larson's old site - I did find the > link. > > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~steve/islay/ted/tribute.htm > > Thanks, Lynn > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

back to DNA - Susan, Well, we joined the familytree Ydna study, as this is a large world-wide Sinclair/St. Clair project going on (you can google it). As I said before, there are 2 or 3 Islay Sinclair descendants who have tested, but there isn't a very close match in their markers, which makes me think that they came from different areas of Argyllshire or Ireland. One of them (Wayne of Australia) had a Colin Sinclair, cartwright in Kilchoman parish around 1840-50. When he died in 1855, his son reported that Colin was born there, but of course, that was before Kilchoman parish records. "Colin" is an uncommon Sinclair forename in the parish, but before 1828/29 almost all of them lived on the farm called Glassence. So, when we were there in the summer, Effie Clark of Port Charlotte showed us where the farm used to be, and we trekked up the hill in the wind and rain for a photo op - Wayne and his cousin Lianne, to walk the ground where their ancestor probably lived. The interesting thing is ! that Wayne did find a very close match on the mainland, I think near Lochgilphead, which is near where Colin's wife came from, so the Islay connection might be for only a few generations. The other Islay Sinclair's ancestor hails from Bowmore parish, as does our's. Not a close dna match. I believe your Donald, the teacher, was a native of Bowmore parish, so it would be interesting to see if he and our Neil were closely related. I think I remember it was your Donald's son, Peter, who turned up in Neil's family home at the time of the 1841 census, which might indicate a relationship. However, these things were fluid as people slept wherever they could get some work, often planting or harvesting. Neil wasn't even in his own house at Neriby for the census. He was at his sister's - Mary Bell, in Gearach, Kilchoman parish, as an agricultural labourer. Probably to earn a bit more money before emigrating in 1842. I don't think it's necessary to join this particular familytree study, as it seems that it's now possible to exchange information with other groups. Don't forget too, that there is the Hebrides study that Linda Heron moderates, and you can include your results there for comparison. I think most of those participants are from Islay or nearby islands. I have to admit that this dna study baffles me, but obviously there are others who understand it better than I. However, I hope the above helps you a bit. Cheers, Toni On the another topic I am finding it difficult to decide which DNAS test to try. We are in UK and many of then are in USA. Any suggestions Susan ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John I can't help with the name variations, but the Islay marriages show John Dallas marrying Janet McGilvra on 3 Sept 1801 in Kilarrow (Bowmore) - both of this parish. John and Janet have 10 children from 1796 (really) to 1818. The mother's surname is shown as McGilvera, McGilvray and McGilveray. Janet is born in Mulindra in 1806. Looks like yours. Regards Seymour Hosking (Cameron/MacMillan/Kennedy/MacArthur.)

In Scotland there is a river Isla (no "y"). This runs through Perthshire and is probable where that name Isla actually comes from. Susan

Congratulations, Toni! My best regards to you and your family. Such a beautiful name! Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni via" <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: "Islay" <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:35 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] slightly off topic >I know this is supposed to be about our Islay news, but I just have to >share this - our second grandchild was born last night. A lovely healthy >(almost 10 lbs!) girl, and her name is "Isla". My heart is just about >bursting! Her 4X great grandparents immigrated to Fenelon township, >Ontario in 1842. We'll bring her, and her big brother, back to Islay on >our next visit! > > > That's all. Now back to our interesting topic of DNA! > > Toni > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello from New Zealand, My mother's name was Islay Amy Eliza Campbell before she married, born in 1914. Her grandparents came out to New Zealand from Islay in 1866. They were Eliza McLeod ( McQuaig ) and Duncan Campbell along with Eliza's mother Elizabeth (Betsy ) McLeod ( McQuaig) Mum always said that she spent her whole life teaching people how to pronounce Islay correctly. We were also told when visiting Islay that Islay is the male spelling of the name. We have a granddaughter aged 7yrs old who lives in Edinburgh called Grace Islay. I would have loved to have been called it also. Margaret Noble. -----Original Message----- From: John Kemplen via Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 9:16 AM To: Toni ; Jim BAIRD ; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] SCT-ISLAY I suspect that the name "Isla" may well have become popular in Scotland after a few famous people popped up with that name, and I think those people were probably named after the River Isla, a tributary of the Tay that runs through Angus and Perthshire in eastern Scotland. Scots intending it to refer to the island would probably tend to leave the "y" on the end. On Islay itself, the name Islay tended to be a boy's name rather than a girl's, but my daughter still chose the name - with a "y" - for one of her girls. On her first visit to the island she was to be heard proudly telling everyone, friend, relative or stranger, that she was on Islay and she was called Islay. It made it easy to buy her apparently personalised T-shirts, available in just about every gift shop on the island. -----Original Message----- From: Toni via Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 6:26 PM To: Jim BAIRD ; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] SCT-ISLAY Well, Jim, I'm just delighted by the fact that many generations away from our beloved Islay, our children still want to honour their heritage by naming their children after their ancestors' homeland. My daughter-in-law found out that "Isla" is in the top 10 names for girls in Scotland, although not so common here. I still can't wipe the smile off my face :-) Toni ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Jim BAIRD via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: November 27, 2015 8:23 AM To: Islay List Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] SCT-ISLAY Congratulations Toni,If you Canadians keep producing at this rate there will soon be more Ileachs in Ontario than on Islay!All the bestJim ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message