Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scottish Autosomal DNA test is only accurate back 5 generations. That only takes you back to around 1800. The events referred to in this string are further back. Alan Cameron is correct. Ireland populated Scotland around 5th & 6th century and the Vikings added to the gene pool through 1100's, when my ancestor Somerled defeated them. Later in the 1600's Scotland & England populated Northern Ireland. I've traced one line of my wive's Scottish surnames through Ireland and back into Scotland in 1695. Family "word of mouth" ancestral story has been passed down from the 4th century. Even my 5th Great Grandfather had evidence of the story carved on his stone in a 12th century church in Scotland on Gigha, whose founder dated back to the 6th century from Ireland. Regards, Scott Hedberg "Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:33:34 -0600 From: " Susan R. Leitch " <srleitch@sasktel.net> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com, Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20160428103334.0uvdveplsg8koskg@webmail.sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format="flowed" That's interesting.? I am currently awaiting a Family Tree DNA kit? (it was in Chicago yesterday) which I ordered specifically to double check that Irish result from AncestryDNA. ? Perhaps all the different terminology used by the different companies is weakening the credibility of the results - particularly that story from Ancestry, which I was really glad to hear from Lynn's post yesterday. ? Susan Saskatoon"
Forgive me Fay, Just enjoy helping solve mysteries. I had a look at death of Duncan McAulay 30 March 1859, age 36 at Carabus, Kilarrow. Widower (no wfe's name noted) son of Neil McAulay and Margaret McLean, deceased. Sister Mary present and reg'd the death.I know this isn't taaking you any closer to Ann Ross. My gut feeling is that she died soon after William's birth, but don't know how it could ever be established, unless Duncan was informant of the death. I hadn't realise there were so many People named Ann Ross. I hope you don't mind me trying to helpRegardsJohan From: jblyons645 via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: Islay List <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016, 19:16 Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Duncan McAulay Further to my previous enquiry, we have established that Duncan was born about 1825 to Niel McAulay and Margaret McLean. There is also a family story that son William ,whose birth certificates indicates he was illegitimate, had ground near the round church in Bowmore which was sold between 1950/1960. Again if anyone has any further information please let me know. Regards Fay ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you Jim, Appreciate all you do, even the chastisement (she said with a smile)I found it on Ancestry.RegardsJohan From: Jim BAIRD via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Fay, Transcribed from the original: Margaret McAulay Head Widow 55 Annuitant ARL Kilchoman Flora McIndeor Dau Married 24 ARL Bowmore Margaret McIndeor Grndau 2 DNB Dumbarton Angus McAulay Grnson Unmarried 14 Farm servant ARL Bowmore William McAulay Grnson 5 RFW Paisley ----------------------------------------------------------------------
If replying with quote to a digest message, quote =ONLY= the relevant portion of the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. ALSO: change the subject of your reply to match the message subject to which you are replying. Failure to follow these guidelines may result in your reply being rejected. Fay, Transcribed from the original: Margaret McAulay Head Widow 55 Annuitant ARL Kilchoman Flora McIndeor Dau Married 24 ARL Bowmore Margaret McIndeor Grndau 2 DNB Dumbarton Angus McAulay Grnson Unmarried 14 Farm servant ARL Bowmore William McAulay Grnson 5 RFW Paisley Location etc as per Johan's transcription. The writing is faint, but legible. So Johan's copy must have come from a commercial transcription. All the best Jim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Further to my previous enquiry, we have established that Duncan was born about 1825 to Niel McAulay and Margaret McLean. There is also a family story that son William ,whose birth certificates indicates he was illegitimate, had ground near the round church in Bowmore which was sold between 1950/1960. Again if anyone has any further information please let me know. Regards Fay
Roger, John McDuffee/McAfee was born about 1730 at Islay, Co. Argyll, Scotland. His parents names and wife's name is unknown. He was a farmer and Presbyterian in Ballymagarry, Dunluce Parish, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland where he died abt. 1815. John came as a young man with a friend, William McQuigg, from Islay to Co. Antrim, N. Ireland. William McQuigg settled at Islandcarragh, Co. Antrim. It is said that our McDuffees/McAfees descend from Scots Covenanters. It is not known if John McDuffee got married in Scotland or N. Ireland but he did marry. He is believed buried at St. Cuthberts Cemetery in Dunluce Parish, Co. Antrim. I descend thru John McDuffee/McAfee's son, William McDuffee/McAfee, born 1777 in Dunluce Parish, Co. Antrim, Northern Ireland. William McDuffee/McAfee married Margaret ''Martha'' Taggart in 1802 In Co. Antrim. William died in December of 1858 near Dalton, Wayne Co., Ohio where he was a farmer and Presbyterian. It is believed that he had a brother, Mathew McDuffee/McAfee, who is also buried at St. Cuthbert's Cemetery near Bushmills, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland. William McDuffee/McAfee and wife, Margaret ''Martha'' and children emigrated to the USA on the new mail packet ship, ''St. Andrew'', arriving in New York City, New York on June 7th, 1838. Their children are: Samuel McAfee b. 1804 who married Grace Stinson and later Susan Gorrell Sarah McAfee b. 1805 who married John McQuigg of Islandcarragh. Sarah and John McQuigg emigrated to the USA aboard the ship, ''New York'', arriving in New York City, NY in July of 1843. James McAfee b. 1809 who married Rachel Dinsmore and later Elizabeth Cherry who died near Murray, Indiana. John McAfee b. 1815 who married Ellen Dunlop and settled in Athens, Ohio. William McAfee Jr. b. 1821 who married Rebecca Swigart. Mathew McAfee b. 1822 who married Margaret McElhinney (my gg grandparents) Robert McAfee b.1823 who never married. Martha Jane McAfee b. 1825 who married David Orr and moved to Waterman, DeKalb Co., Illinois. The McAfees lived near Dalton, Wayne Co., Ohio (except as noted). Sarah McAfee and husband, John McQuigg, lived in Plain Twp., Wayne Co., Ohio near Wooster. It is believed that the Ray/Rea surname may have been associated in some manner to Margaret ''Martha'' Taggart McAfee. Notable descendants of this family include General John Rea McQuigg of the Spanish American War and WW1. 1925 National Commander of the American Legion and 3 term mayor of East Cleveland, Ohio. And Paul McClelland Angle, Abraham Lincoln scholar and author of numerous books on Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War. Paul was executive director of the Chicago Historical Society when he died in 1975. My lineage is: John McDuffee/McAfee and unknown wife To William McAfee Sr. and Margaret "Martha" Taggart or Ray To Mathew McAfee and Margaret McElhinney To Mathew Porter McAfee and Eliza Belle Garner To Charles Thomas Mahlon McAfee and Lillian Belle (Crawford) McAfee Shores To Jerry Ray McAfee and Mary Evelyn Glascock To Me, Jerry Arnold "Jay" McAfee. Migration: Islay, Scotland>Ballymagarry, Co. Antrim, N. Ireland>Dalton, Wayne Co., Ohio, USA>Hannibal, Missouri, USA. ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of Roger via [sct-islay@rootsweb.com] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:32 AM To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] John McDuffee 1730 Islay died 1815 N Ireland Hi John, Can you tell me anything more about the Islay born gentleman in order that I may link him with my Islay Data Regards Roger ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi John, Can you tell me anything more about the Islay born gentleman in order that I may link him with my Islay Data Regards Roger
First a big thank you to everybody - today's digest is much improved in terms of superfluous material being removed, but some improvements could yet be made. Thank you all for your good efforts and let's keep up the good work! Reply to Irene Polland's post: Re your point about about reminding you to reply to all - even I am not omnicient, Irene, so there are some things I'll have to leave you to do for yourself! <grin> Most online sources show Morag, Marion and Sara(h) to be synonymous, so James Morrison's "second" wife, as suggested by Johan Lochridge, may well be the original one but using the name Marion meaning Sarah. All the best Jim
Fay, Found this in 1871 census......Maybe Jim Baird will have access to copy of the actual and will have a look for you, and decipher the writing. Please Jim, hope all is well with you and yours.Regards | Margaret McAdory | | Age: | 35 | | Estimated birth year: | abt 1836 | | Relationship: | Head | | Gender: | Female | | Where born: | Kilchoman, Argyllshire | | Registration Number: | 536 | | Registration district: | Bowmore | | Civil Parish: | Kilarrow | | County: | Argyll | | Address: | 3 Jameson St | | Occupation: | Annuitant | | ED: | 2 | | Household schedule number: | 119 | | LINE: | 12 | | Roll: | CSSCT1871_93 | | Household Members: | | Name | Age | | Margaret McAdory | 35 | | Aba McAnders | 18 | | Margaret McAnders | 2 | | Angos Mc Aaberg | 14 | | William Mc Aaberg | 3 | | From: jblyons645 via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: Islay List <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 21:07 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] William McAulay On 18 Apr 2016 20:27, jblyons645 <jblyons645@btinternet.com> wrote: > > William McAulay my Grandfather was born in the Abbey District of Paisley in April 1868 to Ann Ross and Duncan McAulay. We have found a birth certificate but have been unable to find any information about Ann Ross his mother. His father Duncan McAulay came from Islay and we believe we have record of William staying with a Margaret McAulay ( possibly an Aunt ) at Jamieson Street (1881 census). We also believe he moved to Islay at the age of 2 years and after Schooling, worked in Islay taking peat to a distillery. He subsequently left Islay and married my Grandmother Euphemia Macdonald in Kilmacolm. > If anyone has any further information about any of the above we would be delighted to hear from them. > Fay Lyons. ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 18 Apr 2016 20:27, jblyons645 <jblyons645@btinternet.com> wrote: > > William McAulay my Grandfather was born in the Abbey District of Paisley in April 1868 to Ann Ross and Duncan McAulay. We have found a birth certificate but have been unable to find any information about Ann Ross his mother. His father Duncan McAulay came from Islay and we believe we have record of William staying with a Margaret McAulay ( possibly an Aunt ) at Jamieson Street (1881 census). We also believe he moved to Islay at the age of 2 years and after Schooling, worked in Islay taking peat to a distillery. He subsequently left Islay and married my Grandmother Euphemia Macdonald in Kilmacolm. > If anyone has any further information about any of the above we would be delighted to hear from them. > Fay Lyons.
The Wm McAULAY age 12 born Neilston, Renfrew on the 1881 Census at Bowmore is shown as the grandson of the widow Margaret McAuley age 60. Regards Charles ============
Hi Janis The Scots are literally Irish. Round about 500 AD and for some time before that, there had been a migration of tribes from the North of Ireland across the short passage to the Mull of Kintyre in Argyllshire, Scotland. These people were called the Scotti - believed to be a term (of abuse) used by the Romans. So the original Scots who came from Dal Riata in in Antrim were inhabitants of Ireland. However, at a much later date when the Scots and Picts amalgamated and later combined with the Angles of Lothian and the Britons of Strathclyde, modern Scotland was formed. So it is not surprising that there is Irish DNA in our Scottish ancestors. The Celts, however, came from Central Europe and spread throughout modern day France and into Britain and Ireland. So you will find that you possibly have central European DNA as well. To complicate matters, the west coast of Scotland was subjected to continuous raids by the Vikings over many centuries. Some settled and integrated into the communities and so we have Viking DNA as well (fair hair and blue eyes) As to the name MacCallum, it is very much a Gaelic and Scottish Gaelic name meaning of the family of MacCallein Mor (the Dukes of Argyll). The MacCallums were the hereditary pipers to the Dukes of Argyll. -- *Alan I Cameron*
Irene,I hadn't seen your message below until now, but have you explored Sarah McDuffie as the possible mother? Perhaps someone will be able to tell us if Janet is sometimes known as Sarah...anything is possible. I have had a look in Ancestry and the only likely James Morrison that I see may have been married 1st to Sarah McDuffie and 2nd to Marion McPhee.It could be that because Sarah died when Marion was very young, info just was not clear. Did you look at James Morrison's death cert?I am just trying to think outside the box....not recommended, but nothing to loseRegardsJohan My Islay great grandmother, Marion Morrison - on her marriage registration to John Brown in 1861 in Cathcart said her mother's name was Jane McPhail. On her death registration in 1902 in Glasgow, it was shown as Janet McPhee. Her father was James Morrison. I've never been able to find anything on Jane/Janet McPhee/McPhail and a James Morrison. Sigh Irene, in Michigan In a message dated 4/28/2016 9:24:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sct-islay@rootsweb.com writes: None of us are perfect and it is just so easy to hit the reply button and quickly get your thoughts down as a reply before (in my case) you forget them! ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi List, Thought I would share what I have on the History of the McDuffies - Macfie = The following is the list of names associated with Clan Macfie, as recognised by the Commander of the Clan. Note that the prefix Mac/Mc are interchangeable. ; Athey ; Athie. ; Cathey. ; Cathie. ; Coffee. ; Coffey. ; Duffee. ; Duffey. ; Duffie. ; Duffy. ; Fee. ; Guffey. ; Guffie. ; Haffey. ; Haffie. ; Macafee. ; Macafie. ; Maccaffer. ; Maccaffie. ; Maccaffrey. ; Maccathey. ; Maccathie. ; Maccuish. ; Macduffee. ; Macduffey. ; Macduffie. ; Macduffin. ; Macduffy. ; Macfee. ; Macfie. ; Macguffey. ; Macguffie. ; Macguffin. ; Machaffie. ; Machaffy. ; Macphee. ; Macphie. ; Macvee. ; Macvie. ; Mahaffey. ; Mac-MacDuffie = MacDhubhSith = Mehaffey. ; Mehaffie. ; Phee. ; Phie : Origin of the name The origin of name Macfie (and its variations) is from the Gaelic Mac Dhuibhshíthe, which means 'son of Duibhshíth'. This Gaelic name is composed of two elements: dubh (black) + síth (peace). The name Macfie (and its variations) is rendered as Maca’phi in modern Scottish Gaelic. According to a passage in the Carmina Gadelica, which was a collection of Gaelic folkloric poems from 1855 to 1910, there was a family on North Uist which was known as Dubh-sith (translation from Gaelic: Black fairy), 'from a tradition that the family have been familiar with the fairies in their fairy flights and secret migrations'. This family were the North Uist MacCuishes, who also for a time, commonly bore Dubhsith as a given name. There were never many MacCuishes on the Uists, and after a time Dubhsith ceased to be used as a given name there, though it carried on in Cape Breton,Nova Scotia, Canada, taking the forms of 'Dushie, Duffus and even David'. These MacCuishes (of North Uist and Skye) are considered septs of Clan Donald. Early McDuffies recorded in the Islay Cultural Database : 1538 Dugald oge MacDuffie of Islay went with Alexander (died 1550) son of Sir John Cahanagh Macdonald, and banished from Scotland, to County Antrim. In 1558 was granted land captured from the MacQuillans of the route by Sorley Boy and the McDonnells of Antrim at the Battle of Glenshesk, the firs attempt to extend the empire of the MacDonald Clan from Scotland in Northern Ireland. Dougald oge MacDuffie married a daughter of Alester Carragh McDonnell?? 1541 Reference to Doule or Dougall McIlfee tenant of Ballaharvy Islay. 1541 Rental of Keppolsmore to Doule McDuffie 16/8d for Kepolls and 2 1/2 marks. 1541 James Vth commissioned the Rental of Islay and it was compiled by Neil MacKay of the Rhinns Dugald Roy MacFie of the Midward and Alester MacKay of the Southward. 1598c On Kilnave Farm on the shore of the loch is Tobar Neill Neonaich, the fateful spring which Sir Lauchlan MacLean was warned to avoid. Niall Neonach Makduphe of Migirnes after whom this famous well is called, was a gentleman of great influence in Gruineart during the stirring times of Angus MacDonald of Islay, father of Sir James MacDonald. 1600c Officiair of the Rindis of Islay a document : My Lordeis of Secreit Counshell, Pleis your Lordschipis understande that wee, thee tennentis and undirsubscryveris, testifieis and aproveis to your Lordschipis that Angus MakConnell of Dounevage and his forebeareis hes benne native superiouris above ws undir his maiestieis Handeis and grace. Now thatefore wee crave at your Lordschipis grace, in respect of his native kyndnes of superioritie abone ws, and speciallie seinge hes nothinge to saye aganes him bot useinge ws weill in all maner of forme and is willinge to keip all goode ordour that his Majestie and your Lordschipis will ly to his charge: tharefore wee beseik your Lordschipis for the caus of God to lett ws have our awine native sade maister your subject duiringe his lyfetyme, and thareafter his eldest sonne and air Sir James. This we beseik your Lordschipis to doe for Godis caus, as we are ewir bound to praie for your Lordschipis standeing. Wee rest, at Yllaye, A petition of some Islay tenants in favour of the Macdonalds c1600 was signed by...McKy Neill younger, and Hectour Makcaus in Kinnibos, Archibald Makduphee in Ballejous (?), Donald Makduphee in Killicholnane, Neill neenache Makduphee in Migirnes, Archibald McDuphie of Kerolsay, Malcome Makphersone in Mullindrie, Lauchlane Makirnir, levin in Grounzort, Neill Makphetr...(?) of Kepposiche, Donald Makcaus of Arddacheiche, Hew McKy of Killikeran, Donald Makguin (?) of Esknis..endorsed - men of Ilais Band. - 1541 Rental of Killinallan to Anguis McFee 2 and half mark Regards Roger
Hi everyone, In order to show you what it looks like for those who receive their messages as periodic digests, I have temporarily ignored netiquette (in other words I have not trimmed off the unneeded parts of previous messages). As you can see below, many messages get repeated a number of times, often obscuring the intent of the original message and confusing the thread. None of us are perfect and it is just so easy to hit the reply button and quickly get your thoughts down as a reply before (in my case) you forget them! We have all done it, I'm sure, but I ask you to try to remember to trim off old parts of former messages that are no longer needed and keep the threads tidy. Please! All the best Jim ________________________________________ From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of sct-islay-request@rootsweb.com <sct-islay-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: 28 April 2016 20:00 To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-ISLAY Digest, Vol 11, Issue 11 If replying with quote to a digest message, quote =ONLY= the relevant portion of the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. ALSO: change the subject of your reply to match the message subject to which you are replying. Failure to follow these guidelines may result in your reply being rejected. Today's Topics: 1. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (Carolyn Harmon) 2. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (J LOCHRIDGE) 3. Re: We' all Irish - not Scotish (Robert McArthur) 4. Fw: We' all Irish - not Scotish (J LOCHRIDGE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:02:28 -0500 From: Carolyn Harmon <charmon59@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: sjhuber1@comcast.net, sct-islay@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CALwFPHW3hoAJco8uEiS8vp6c0DG4Fo0M=htLFe7dsgAkqRD+bw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:17:15 +0000 (UTC) From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "sct-islay@rootsweb.com" <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <179349148.6093512.1461842235890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well,I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). ?All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. ?I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that!? I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up)? as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 04:50:03 -0700 From: "Robert McArthur" <rmcarthur@cox.net> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "'Carolyn Harmon'" <charmon59@gmail.com>, <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1B09E7D3E38743D78CC1C4914A1D27F1@Robert2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" For a further wrinkle in the genetic background of Islay descendents, consider the following. The paternal (Y-DNA) of many inhabitants of the Inner and Outer Hebrides is neither Irish (Dalriadan) nor Scottish (Pictish) but instead is Viking DNA (Haplogroup R1A1A). This DNA is shared with about half the population of Iceland and around twenty-five per cent of the population of Norway and reflects the conquest of the area by the Vikings in the ninth century. Protestantism did not exist in any significant numbers in Northern Ireland until after 1600. Everyone in England, Scotland, and Ireland was Roman Catholic until circa 1540. Robert -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Harmon via Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 4:02 AM To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:58:14 +0000 (UTC) From: J LOCHRIDGE <j.lochridge@btinternet.com> Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Fw: We' all Irish - not Scotish To: "SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com" <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <348458895.6186200.1461844694699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Well, I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). ?All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. ?I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > ?Thanks so much for checking into that!? I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol? > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up)? as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. 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Well, I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Well,I expected my Ancestry DNA results to show in excess of 50% Irish...my father's ancestry is Northern Irish, my mother has some Irish in her ancestry and her father's side was Islay (some possibly from Ireland early on). All the others seem to have been lowland Scotland......no English, as far as I know.The results are very different...70% Great Britain, 19% Irish, 7% Europe East, 1% other. I explained that to myself, that the 70% was Scottish and that some of them had migrated to Ireland.....now I am just confused!Johan From: Carolyn Harmon via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> To: sjhuber1@comcast.net; sct-islay@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2016, 12:02 Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about. On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Sharon Huber via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Good heavens....I've known, since I started my research that my McCallum > family is actually Irish in derivation........Dalradia, the area of > Scotland my Protestant Irish family settled in could easily be the answer > to your situation as well. My Protestant family may have left Ireland > because they couldn't support a Catholic queen (my supposition). Northern > Ireland did not exist...where does one go rather than face extinction. I > suspect...but have no records to prove when my McCallum family left > Ireland......my mind suggests mid 1500's....just a thought. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janis Eaglesham via > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:52 PM > To: Lynn Seamark; sct-islay@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] We' all Irish - not Scotish > > Thanks so much for checking into that! I was beginning to wonder if I'm > not who I think I am..lol > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lynn Seamark via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Not really - just strikes me funny > > > > I called Ancestry - where I had my DNA tested - and yes there is nothing > > in my results that say "Scotish". I asked them why the term "Ireland" is > > applied to those with DNA from that area - see the explanation from the > > DNA page below: > > > > Ireland > > Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland > > > > Also found in: France, England > > > > Ireland is located in the eastern part of the North Atlantic Ocean, > > directly west of Great Britain. A variety of internal and external > > influences have shaped Ireland as we know it today. Ireland's modern > > cultural remains deeply rooted in the Celtic culture that spread across > > much of Central Europe and into the British Isles. Along with Wales, > > Scotland, and a handful of other isolated communities within the British > > Isles, Ireland remains one of the last holdouts of the ancient Celtic > > languages that were once spoken throughout much of Western Europe. And > > though closely tied to Great Britain, both geographically and > > historically, the Irish have fiercely maintained their unique character > > through the centuries. > > > > > > > > I told the gentleman at Ancestry - that I was, and others were confused > > (not really offended, though that did come up) as to the use of the > > term "Ireland" and he stated that really the term "Celtic" was more > > proper. So then I asked him why Ancestry didn't use that term instead. > > I did tell him also, while laughing, that the use of the term "Ireland" > > for my Scotish DNA made me question years of research - since I could > > find no related Irish documents for our clan. This DNA label "Ireland" > > caused me stress - and probably others too. > > > > He agreed and said that he would write up a request to review it. > > Hopefully "Celtic" will be the new term for our DNA. > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Janis > > http://janiseaglesham.com/ > http://ginarubinart.com > www.stavefallsartistgroup.com > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Alan. Good to know. Ancestry showed 48% Irish, 33% Scandinavian, 9% Great Britain, 7% Iberian Peninsula and 2% Europe West I also did the FamilyTree dna test and it showed 99% European which consisted of 75% British Isles, 17% Scandinavian 5% Southern Europe and 2 % Finland and Northern Sibera. I cropped your email but may have over cropped..lol On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Alan Cameron via <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Janis > > The Scots are literally Irish. Round about 500 AD and for some time before > that, there had been a migration of tribes from the North of Ireland across > the short passage to the Mull of Kintyre in Argyllshire, Scotland. These > people were called the Scotti - believed to be a term (of abuse) used by > the Romans. So the original Scots who came from Dal Riata in in Antrim were > inhabitants of Ireland. However, at a much later date when the Scots and > Picts amalgamated and later combined with the Angles of Lothian and the > Britons of Strathclyde, modern Scotland was formed. So it is not surprising > that there is Irish DNA in our Scottish ancestors. The Celts, however, came > from Central Europe and spread throughout modern day France and into > Britain and Ireland. So you will find that you possibly have central > European DNA as well. > > > > > > -
That's interesting. I am currently awaiting a Family Tree DNA kit (it was in Chicago yesterday) which I ordered specifically to double check that Irish result from AncestryDNA. Perhaps all the different terminology used by the different companies is weakening the credibility of the results - particularly that story from Ancestry, which I was really glad to hear from Lynn's post yesterday. Susan Saskatoon On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:02:28 -0500, Carolyn Harmon via wrote: Thanks for clarification. My family tree DNA did not show Irish, but ancestry DNA did which I wondered about.
Very impressive, and you've made a good point. Except perhaps that you should have also reminded us to reply to all, not simply hit the reply button. It took a while for me to realize that my comment on the McPhees had not gone to the whole list, but just to the one person whose post I was reading. Not only did my message not go through, but reading your long post I find that there were several other posts shown that I don't recall reading. And yes, even though I don't have much to add to the group, I do read everything. Here, again, was the message I tried to post: My Islay great grandmother, Marion Morrison - on her marriage registration to John Brown in 1861 in Cathcart said her mother's name was Jane McPhail. On her death registration in 1902 in Glasgow, it was shown as Janet McPhee. Her father was James Morrison. I've never been able to find anything on Jane/Janet McPhee/McPhail and a James Morrison. Sigh Irene, in Michigan In a message dated 4/28/2016 9:24:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sct-islay@rootsweb.com writes: None of us are perfect and it is just so easy to hit the reply button and quickly get your thoughts down as a reply before (in my case) you forget them!