Here are the notes I have on Duncan McArthur: According to his grandson, Archie Carmichael, son of his daughter, Catherine Isabella (1883 - 1961), he was dour, had no time for children, in fact little time for adults. Census of 1881 in Nottawasaga Twp: Dunca MCARTHER M Male Scottish 38 Scotland Farmer Presbyterian Flora MCARTHER M Female Scottish 35 Scotland Presbyterian John Alr. MCARTHER Male Scottish 1 O <Ontario> Presbyterian In 1901 McArthur was in Nottawasaga Twp., His native language was English. He came to Canada in 1864. (e - 12 p. 1): 47 9 McArthur Duncan M Head M Nov 15 1843 58 Scotland 48 9 McArthur Flora F Wife M Jul 15 1843 58 Scotland 49 9 McArthur John M Son S Sep 28 1880 21 ON 50 9 McArthur Bella F Dau S Oct 19 1883 18 ON McArthur Douglas M Son S Sep 28 1885 16 ON rural Allan Currie >

Gee, sounds like a real fun guy. > Here are the notes I have on Duncan McArthur: > > According to his grandson, Archie Carmichael, son of his daughter, > Catherine Isabella (1883 - 1961), he was dour, had no time for children, > in fact little time for adults. > > > Census of 1881 in Nottawasaga Twp: > Dunca MCARTHER M Male Scottish 38 Scotland > Farmer Presbyterian > Flora MCARTHER M Female Scottish 35 Scotland > Presbyterian > John Alr. MCARTHER Male Scottish 1 O > <Ontario> Presbyterian > > In 1901 McArthur was in Nottawasaga Twp., His native language was > English. He came to Canada in 1864. (e - 12 p. 1): > 47 9 McArthur Duncan M Head M Nov 15 1843 > 58 Scotland > 48 9 McArthur Flora F Wife M Jul 15 > 1843 58 Scotland > 49 9 McArthur John M Son S Sep 28 > 1880 21 ON > 50 9 McArthur Bella F Dau S Oct 19 > 1883 18 ON > McArthur Douglas M Son S Sep 28 > 1885 16 ON rural > > Allan Currie > >> > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > FOR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS MAILING LIST - HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE - HOW TO CHANGE > YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, ETC, ETC...: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/maillist.htm >

The death notice of another Islay native in The Collingwood Enterprise newspaper. Lorne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jopie Loughead" <jopiel@sympatico.ca> To: <CAN-ONT-SIMCOE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: [C-O-S] E. M. 1922 > The Collingwood Enterprise, August 10, 1922 > Died: On Sunday, Duncan McARTHUR, aged 84 years. Born Islay, Scotland and > came to Canada at age 20. He settled in Nottawasaga Township and married > Flora MacGILLIVRAY. Buried West Church Cemetery. P1c4 > > (Cemetery has: Duncan MacARTHUR, 1841 - 1922) > > ==== CAN-ONT-SIMCOE Mailing List ==== > A new way as of June 28, 2005 to find family members > http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/>

Just been on that site it's running now Hugh........... All the best. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CH5954@aol.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:27 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] family history society > Hi Listers: > I was trying to get a hold of Eleanor McNabb about doing an article > about > the Islay McNabb's for the McNabb newsletter here in the states. (Dave > McNabb called me today to ask.) I clicked on the Islay Family History > link and it > didn't work. I just wondered if it was down for the day or if something > happened. Does anyone know? > And Eleanor, if you get this, could you contact me off list for > details? > I think it would be a great opportunity to promote Islay genealogy. > Thanks! > > Carolyn > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > >

Hi- Thanks for the info on the Argyll listserv- I think it was Ted who referred me- I appreciate it! Connie

January 16, 2006 Hello to all Listers! I discovered through the census records and BMD that I have four generations of CAMPBELL ancestors who were at Gartnatra Village in Kilarrow Parish. Just wondering if anyone on the list can tell me where I can find a photo online of Gartnatra Village? Three years ago someone on the list sent me a photo but unfortunately I lost it as I hadn't back up my computer. Thanks for any help or suggestions, Diana in British Columbia

Hi Listers: I was trying to get a hold of Eleanor McNabb about doing an article about the Islay McNabb's for the McNabb newsletter here in the states. (Dave McNabb called me today to ask.) I clicked on the Islay Family History link and it didn't work. I just wondered if it was down for the day or if something happened. Does anyone know? And Eleanor, if you get this, could you contact me off list for details? I think it would be a great opportunity to promote Islay genealogy. Thanks! Carolyn

Hi Celia- I'm just getting back to you re. your query re. a possible connection with the following: "I have an Isabella Campbell from Kildalton who married an Alexander McDougall in 1838. Isabella was born about 1820 and was over 20 years younger than Alexander. They had 2 daughters, Margaret b. 1838 and Ann b. 1840. Alexander McDougall died in 1843. " I've gone back through everything I have and can't find a connection between your Alexander McDougall and my McDougall's of Kilbride, Kildalton. There were several McD families living on Kilbride and adjacent farms in the early to mid 1800s, and there seems to have been an Alexander in almost every one of them, based on the 1841 census! There is a believeable possibility that your Alexander was some degree of cousin to my McDs, with the name Alexander coming down through the various branches, but I sometimes think there were more men on Islay with the name Alexander McDougall than any other name! Sorry not to have been a more concrete help- Steffenie

I found the following info from Scotlandspeople among some of my papers. Hope it is of some help. I'm not sure if these people are Islay people, but the names seem to be familiar. West Greenock Daniel McKinnon born Jan 22, 1883, 8 Ann St. Greenock. Father, Malcolm McKinnon, Carter, mother, Mary McKinnon m.s. Keith. Married 1880 June 24 Regards Janet (Ontario) ---------------------------------------- Upgrade your account today for increased storage; mail forwarding or POP enabled e-mail with automatic virus scanning. Visit our member benefits page at https://members.canada.com/benefits.aspx for more information.

G'day John, RC marriages, as well as the Free Kirk & Episcopalian (hope I spelt that right) of my kin and registary office marriages would be covered under 2. Although the law might of changed slightly in 1855, I understand #3 was dropped in 1940. cheers John in calm but overcast Wellington. John Shaw <shaw.family@clear.net.nz> wrote: Hi John, can I complicate matters? Just discovered some of my wife's ancestors were Roman Catholic. I have a copy - from Scotlandspeople - of the wedding certificate showing they were married in the Buckie Catholic chapel b4 the "Catholic Clergyman" "after banns and solemnizing between us according to the form of the Catholic Church" Looks just like a C of S or registry wedding and the certificate was issued by the Registrar at Banff County. I suppose they are married anyway in terms of your examples 2 and 3 ?? Any thoughts? John Shaw - from rainy Auckland ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dods" To: Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Forms of Marriage and illegitimacy under Scots Law <snip> > Now to marriage. > The English had very tight marriage laws, Hardwicke's Marriage Act (1754) > required people to marry in the Extablished Church ( Church of England), > this relaxed with time, however the situation was very different North of > the border. > In Scotland there were 3 types of legal marriage. > 1. Marriage by a minister of the Established Church (Church Of Scotland). > 2. Marriage by declaration in front of witness. > 3. Marriage by cohabitation and repute, what we call common law marriage, > was a legal form of marriage in Scotland. > > Sorry if you all already know all this, but I'd thought I share for the > sake of the newer researchers. > > Cheers > John Dods > Wellington, New Zealand. Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Forwarded from the Grey County (Ontario) list: ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [Grey Co.] Marriages 1891 From: "Edward Dinniwell" <dinniwell@mountaincable.net> Date: Thu, January 12, 2006 11:01 pm To: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The one below is Torrie. Torrie originally came from the Isle of Islay. Edward Dinniwell Jean Flynn wrote: >Marriages Grey County 1891 (4) >004235-91(Grey Co.) Malcolm MUSTARD, 25, carpenter, Markham, Holland Twp., s/o James MUSTARD and Jane GIBSON, married Mary LORRIE (TORRIE?) 25, Erin, Holland Twp., d/o Archibald LORRIE (TORRIE?) and Jan McCOLEMAN, witn; Duncan LORRIE (TORRIE?) of Holland and Annie ANDERSON of Sydenham , 6 January 1891 at Holland. ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/

Hi John, can I complicate matters? Just discovered some of my wife's ancestors were Roman Catholic. I have a copy - from Scotlandspeople - of the wedding certificate showing they were married in the Buckie Catholic chapel b4 the "Catholic Clergyman" "after banns and solemnizing between us according to the form of the Catholic Church" Looks just like a C of S or registry wedding and the certificate was issued by the Registrar at Banff County. I suppose they are married anyway in terms of your examples 2 and 3 ?? Any thoughts? John Shaw - from sunny Auckland ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dods" <dodsgenealogy2@yahoo.co.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Forms of Marriage and illegitimacy under Scots Law > Hi List, > Sue's post as prompted me to answer her fun question with a serious > answer. > It depends where and when the couple were married and the children born. > I like many at the start of my research assumed that the laws relating to > marriage & illegitimacy were similar in Scotland to those of England, on > whom the laws of my cown country of birth are based. > I found out in short order that Scots law was different to English, > particularly in the time of my great grandparents and their ancestors. > > Legitimacy first of all. > Under Scots law if the parents subsequently married, then the child was > legitimised, provided that the parents would have been free to marry at > the time of the childs birth. > > Now to marriage. > The English had very tight marriage laws, Hardwicke's Marriage Act (1754) > required people to marry in the Extablished Church ( Church of England), > this relaxed with time, however the situation was very different North of > the border. > In Scotland there were 3 types of legal marriage. > 1. Marriage by a minister of the Established Church (Church Of Scotland). > 2. Marriage by declaration in front of witness. > 3. Marriage by cohabitation and repute, what we call common law marriage, > was a legal form of marriage in Scotland. > > Sorry if you all already know all this, but I'd thought I share for the > sake of the newer researchers. > > Cheers > John Dods > Wellington, New Zealand. > > > Sue V <genealgal2@execulink.com> wrote: > Just for fun, I'm sending this question to see what kind of feedback > there is - > > The couple had a good marriage - but it was a confirmed common law union. > They lived together for 42 years. Are their children illegitimate? > > > > I don't want to clog up the list with responses, so please respond > directly to me off list. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > genealgal2 at execulink dot com > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information > about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm > > > > > > Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project > and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness > Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for > other ways of helping our hobby. > Researching > BATTERS in Yorkshire > BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian > BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal > COLLINS in California & PA > COOPER in Yorkshire > DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, > Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India > DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire > FENTON in Edinbugh > FISHER in Yorkshire > FORREST in South Africa > HAYTON in Yorkshire > HEWAT in East Lothian > LAMONT in Lanarkshire > LEGGAT in Monreal > MCLEAN in Argyllshire > RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire > SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal > SHIRREFF in East Lothian > SNELL in California, Oregeon > SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire > TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian > WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie > WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families > as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ > >

Lachlan McCaig, born on Islay, later settled on Colonsay, married and had 10 children. One of them, Duncan, is found in 1891 in Kelvin, Glasgow lodging with Donald and Mary Keith, both born Islay. Does anyone have a connection with them? Dixie Cutler

For those wondering about my lack of response/follow-up, firstly my desktop decided to take a spa vacation at my PC shop - should be back refreshed and ready to work next week - and with 1.7 gig memory (and if THAT doesn't suffice....grrr). Secondly I wanted to give it a couple of weeks to get all the feedback before assessing it overall. So far quite interesting.... Sue Visser ---------------------------- Powered by Execulink Webmail http://www.execulink.com/

Hi List, Sue's post as prompted me to answer her fun question with a serious answer. It depends where and when the couple were married and the children born. I like many at the start of my research assumed that the laws relating to marriage & illegitimacy were similar in Scotland to those of England, on whom the laws of my cown country of birth are based. I found out in short order that Scots law was different to English, particularly in the time of my great grandparents and their ancestors. Legitimacy first of all. Under Scots law if the parents subsequently married, then the child was legitimised, provided that the parents would have been free to marry at the time of the childs birth. Now to marriage. The English had very tight marriage laws, Hardwicke's Marriage Act (1754) required people to marry in the Extablished Church ( Church of England), this relaxed with time, however the situation was very different North of the border. In Scotland there were 3 types of legal marriage. 1. Marriage by a minister of the Established Church (Church Of Scotland). 2. Marriage by declaration in front of witness. 3. Marriage by cohabitation and repute, what we call common law marriage, was a legal form of marriage in Scotland. Sorry if you all already know all this, but I'd thought I share for the sake of the newer researchers. Cheers John Dods Wellington, New Zealand. Sue V <genealgal2@execulink.com> wrote: Just for fun, I'm sending this question to see what kind of feedback there is - The couple had a good marriage - but it was a confirmed common law union. They lived together for 42 years. Are their children illegitimate? I don't want to clog up the list with responses, so please respond directly to me off list. Cheerio Sue Visser genealgal2 at execulink dot com ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Oh,....this is just too good Think about the legal ramifications of tossing out that silly distinction. Suppose the husband of Peggy McPeevish did a notorious local bim and 25 years later some little bastard shows up wanting his share of the estate, back support and reparations, etc. etc. There goes poor Mrs. McPeevish's nest egg. There are some other aspects of our ancestors to ponder. It is well known that the staff of various lunatic asylums in 19th century Scotland said the worst inmates came from the Highlands and the Western Isles because of centuries of cousin marrying cousin. Knowing the "crazy gene" could be lurking in any of us with roots in Islay might be cause for mild concern by a prospective spouse. Maybe we should just put it all to music. The chorus would be: "Don't let the bastards, get you down . Dixie Even though Uncle Jack, did a little quickie It's not sacrilegious, to be so insidious But it can get kinda tricky." Perhaps others out there can come up with some verses and a tune.:-) Dougald MacArthur -----Original Message----- From: Dixie Cutler [mailto:cutlerd@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:19 PM To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] off topic - please respond directly to me off list Hi Sue, Fascinating question. What sort of responses have you had? In traditional legal terms, the poor kids are illegitimate (born out of wedlock) but I wonder if that is true today in case of a "confirmed" union? Also, can one "legitimize" them by father accepting parentage without a marriage? I think, being most certainly the descendant of several bastards, it's a silly distinction that should be tossed out along with lots of other old concepts. Best Dixie

Hello again Robert, I have been meaning to drop you a note for some time. I wonder if you know date and Place for death of Mary Keith (McCoag, wife of Hugh Keith)? As she was my GGG aunt, I'd love to know. Best regards, Dixie Cutler Vancouver > address robk robert keith > queen victora estate > 2025 heseltine road > regina saskatchwan > e4v 2z4 > i am aretird farm in sask > i live in a senor home in regina i have a partmentii get my meals ever > day > a maid servant ther is a bus service eny place in regina incloded it is > a well run place it is livening like a king i have been > tracing on my family i have my own computer &tv > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families as > you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ >

Hi Sue, Fascinating question. What sort of responses have you had? In traditional legal terms, the poor kids are illegitimate (born out of wedlock) but I wonder if that is true today in case of a "confirmed" union? Also, can one "legitimize" them by father accepting parentage without a marriage? I think, being most certainly the descendant of several bastards, it's a silly distinction that should be tossed out along with lots of other old concepts. Best Dixie > Just for fun, I'm sending this question to see what kind of feedback there is > - > > The couple had a good marriage - but it was a confirmed common law union. > They lived together for 42 years. Are their children illegitimate? > > > > I don't want to clog up the list with responses, so please respond directly to > me off list. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > genealgal2 at execulink dot com > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about > Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm >

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Yes I think they would be illegitimate Hugh........... All the best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] off topic - please respond directly to me off list > Just for fun, I'm sending this question to see what kind of feedback there > is - > > The couple had a good marriage - but it was a confirmed common law union. > They lived together for 42 years. Are their children illegitimate? > > > > I don't want to clog up the list with responses, so please respond > directly to me off list. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > genealgal2 at execulink dot com > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information > about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm > > >