Hi there Sue I work in Data Management at an airline and this is my "game". If you can buy your self a DVD writer, do it - they are cheaper now. DVDs will last longer way longer than CDs. Secondly, keep your precious memories in a refrigerator (not freezer) and they will last much longer there than anywhere else, especially near a major heat source (your desktop) computer. VDs/CDs burned on a Mac machine will also last much longer. Cheers Allan >"Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span >of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke >said in an interview this week. "There are a few things you can do to extend >the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but >not a whole lot more." > >The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for >burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a >layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation >process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming >unreadable to the laser beam. > >"Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life >span of around two years," Gerecke said. "Some of the better-quality discs >offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years." > >Check out the website for the more complete article. (Thanks to source >Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter) > >Cheerio >Sue Visser

Dear Pam You are teasing me with the Mary McEwen wife of Archibald. Do you have any information on her parents or other details, say from her death certificate. I did a quick search and the probable birth matches for her (born ~1800 since first children were born ~1821) were: A Mary born to a John McEoin in Kilean farm on 17 Jan 1797 in Kildalton A Mary born to Charles McEown at Balitarsin farm on 12 Aug 1798 in Kilarrow A Mary born to a Iver McEown on Gortanilivorie farm on 7 Dec 1799 in Kilarrow A Mary born to a Arch McEwen Giol farm on 18 Apr 1802 in Kildalton (I have information she definitely married an Archibald Smith and died in 1880 in Port Ellen so can be excluded) At a pinch a Mary born to a Duncan McEwen at Giol farm baptised 22 Apr 1807 Kildaton Interested in what you come up with as I have little information on the others. Cheers John McEwan -----Original Message----- From: Pamela J. Nixon [mailto:pnixon15378@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 23 January 2006 12:47 p.m. To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] RE: Seeking MCINTYRE - MCEWEN relatives Dear Islay MCINTYRE & MCEWEN researchers: I just received the death certificate information on my great-great grandfather, ARCHIBALD MCINTYRE born about 1821-1823 Kilchoman, Isaly (from 1871 census). Archibald died 2 Jun 1879 in Annathill, New Monklands, Lanark. His parents are listed as DONALD MACINTYRE, shepherd, deceased and mother MARY MACINTYRE maiden name MCEWEN of ISLAY. From Charles Houston's website, other children of Donald and Mary are: FLORY MACINTYRE - JAMES MACINTYRE - NEIL MACINTYRE (married CHRISTINA MACDOUGALL). I would appreciate any further information on Archibald's parents and/or siblings that anyone would like to share. I am willing to exchange information I have gathered on Archibald McIntyre and his descendants. Sincerely, Pam (Mack) Nixon Westland, Pennsylvania USA pnixon15378@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we'll bind it! ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for information on others researching the same families as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/

Like most of you, whether it is a family photo album or precious family tree research, I back up, back up, back up. Now I'm going to add another feature to my back-ups - a date of purchase written right on the CD and an annual reminder on the calendar to check for reburning needs. Why? CD life is 2 to 5 years according to folks more knowledgeable than I..... From http://computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/story/0,10801,107607,00.html "Unlike pressed original CDs, burned CDs have a relatively short life span of between two to five years, depending on the quality of the CD," Gerecke said in an interview this week. "There are a few things you can do to extend the life of a burned CD, like keeping the disc in a cool, dark space, but not a whole lot more." The problem is material degradation. Optical discs commonly used for burning, such as CD-R and CD-RW, have a recording surface consisting of a layer of dye that can be modified by heat to store data. The degradation process can result in the data "shifting" on the surface and thus becoming unreadable to the laser beam. "Many of the cheap burnable CDs available at discount stores have a life span of around two years," Gerecke said. "Some of the better-quality discs offer a longer life span, of a maximum of five years." Check out the website for the more complete article. (Thanks to source Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter) Cheerio Sue Visser

> > > > Libbi > If you are in Toronto ON go to 77 Grenville St. Web site http://www.gov.on.ca/MCZCR/archives/index.hyml> The address of the Ontario Archives Ontario Archives 77 Grenville St. Toronto ON M7A 2R9 phone 1-800-668-9933 Alan Ontario Canada>

I would suspect it's the First Baptist Church cemetary in Nobleton. Lots of records for King Twp are found at the Toronto Public Library, particularly at the Yonge st. N. location which was formerly North York. King Twp has lots of expensive properties and horse farms. That Library branch is sort of right in the same building as a subway stop and from there you can head down the Yonge subway to the Ontario Archives. The branch address is here: 5120 Yonge St. Toronto ON M2N 5N9 416-395-5535 On 1/23/06, Libbi Sabatine <LSabatine@piercemartin.com> wrote: > Hi there, > > > > I'm heading up to Toronto this summer - mainly King Twp, York Co - to > look for Kennedy records. Can anyone give me some pointers as to where > to start? > > > > Also - my gggggrandfather Donald Kennedy is buried in the Hammertown > Baptist Cemetery - can anyone tell me where this is? > > > > Thank you, > > Libbi > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ > > -- John Conley Sr. 649-2970

Thanks so much Don! -----Original Message----- From: Don McArthur [mailto:DonMcArthur@webtv.net] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 1:32 PM To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLAY] Canadian Fact Finding Mission Hi Libbi, Hammertown Baptist cemetery is located at Lot 19, Concession 11, King Township. Although I have never been there, My "Mapart Ontario Road Atlas, Back Roads edition" tells me that if you go north from Toronto International Airport on Airport Road for 27 kilometres (17 miles) and turn right on Castlederg Sideroad for 5 kilometres you will come to Hammertown. I would suggest that you then continue on to the next crossroads, turn left and drive north 5 km. to the second intersection which should be 19th sideroad. The cemetery should be on the right. If not, ask for directions at a farm. Most rural York County people are very friendly. Good luck, Don ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To visit the website associated with this project, visit: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm

Hi Libbi, Hammertown Baptist cemetery is located at Lot 19, Concession 11, King Township. Although I have never been there, My "Mapart Ontario Road Atlas, Back Roads edition" tells me that if you go north from Toronto International Airport on Airport Road for 27 kilometres (17 miles) and turn right on Castlederg Sideroad for 5 kilometres you will come to Hammertown. I would suggest that you then continue on to the next crossroads, turn left and drive north 5 km. to the second intersection which should be 19th sideroad. The cemetery should be on the right. If not, ask for directions at a farm. Most rural York County people are very friendly. Good luck, Don

Hi Lorne, Donald Kennedy, b 1780 Scotland d 1872 buried in Hammertown Baptist cemetery w/wife Mary. Son Angus Kennedy b 1815 m Margaret Campbell - both born in Scotland. One of their children was Donald Kennedy who m Catherine Minto. Sorry, I'm at work and don't have my information with me. Will post more info tonight. Thank you! Libbi -----Original Message----- From: J Lorne Campbell [mailto:jlorne.campbell@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:43 PM To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Canadian Fact Finding Mission Hi Libbi, For the Islay list to help, a little more information, such as BMD dates, places, spouse's names, siblings and children would be helpful. A good place to start is the York County, Ontario Genweb at http://www.rootsweb.com/~onyork/census.html Lorne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Libbi Sabatine" <LSabatine@piercemartin.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Candian Fact Finding Mission > Hi there, > I'm heading up to Toronto this summer - mainly King Twp, York Co - to > look for Kennedy records. Can anyone give me some pointers as to where > to start? > Also - my gggggrandfather Donald Kennedy is buried in the Hammertown > Baptist Cemetery - can anyone tell me where this is? > Thank you, > Libbi > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families > as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/

Hi Libbi, For the Islay list to help, a little more information, such as BMD dates, places, spouse's names, siblings and children would be helpful. A good place to start is the York County, Ontario Genweb at http://www.rootsweb.com/~onyork/census.html Lorne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Libbi Sabatine" <LSabatine@piercemartin.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Candian Fact Finding Mission > Hi there, > I'm heading up to Toronto this summer - mainly King Twp, York Co - to > look for Kennedy records. Can anyone give me some pointers as to where > to start? > Also - my gggggrandfather Donald Kennedy is buried in the Hammertown > Baptist Cemetery - can anyone tell me where this is? > Thank you, > Libbi > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families > as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/

Hi there, I'm heading up to Toronto this summer - mainly King Twp, York Co - to look for Kennedy records. Can anyone give me some pointers as to where to start? Also - my gggggrandfather Donald Kennedy is buried in the Hammertown Baptist Cemetery - can anyone tell me where this is? Thank you, Libbi

Ann My aunt Mary was known her whole life, even on her burial service card, as Molly. Took me a while to realise that the Mary I was coming across in the birth indexes was her. Anne McLellan -----Original Message----- From: Ann Claggett [mailto:ann42@dccnet.com] Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2006 5:49 p.m. To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] forenames and patterns Hello Sue Could there possibly have been another nickname for Mary? I am searching for my mothers great grandmother Mary Gray from Northern Ireland, her daughter married a fellow from Wigtownshire; it is like looking for a needle in a haystack! ann claggett delta -----

Speaking from personal experience,when my mother died on Islay 1949,there was a service at the house,then the men accompanied the hearse to the cemetery for burial,the women remained at the house,and prepared a meal for their return,.this was the custom. next day the women of the family visited the cemetery to pay their last respects. attending funerals of aunts/uncles in late fifties both men and women were present.

> >In a message dated 1/22/2006 6:03:14 AM GMT Standard Time, norcal@telus.net >writes: > >www3.telus.net/artnorma/johnston > > >I think that women came to the house of the dead person to pay their >respects, but it would only be men who followed the coffin to the >church or the >graveyard and they would return to the house where the women had >prepared a meal. > >I attended a funeral in Bowmore in Islay in the early 1970s and went to the >service in the Round Church, but it was only men who went to the graveside >in the churchyard. > >Elizabeth McAuslan > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm I was just leaving Kilnaughton Cemetery in November 1999 (six years ago) when a hearse followed by a bus stopped outside the cemetery and only men emerged from the bus. The custom may derive from the days when the coffin was carried, sometimes for long distances, to the nearest cemetery. The men followed the coffin and after a certain distance it was passed to the next bearers in line while the previous bearers passed to the back of the line and so on.I understand that this happened in Islay before the cemetery at the Round Church in Bowmore was created . Some of my ancestors, who lived just outside present Bowmore, were buried at Kilnaughton which is some miles away. Finlay Payne --

Hi all, My great aunt Marion was always known as Minnie, although she came from an English family I think (Kingshott). Cheers, Don

Dear Islay MCINTYRE & MCEWEN researchers: I just received the death certificate information on my great-great grandfather, ARCHIBALD MCINTYRE born about 1821-1823 Kilchoman, Isaly (from 1871 census). Archibald died 2 Jun 1879 in Annathill, New Monklands, Lanark. His parents are listed as DONALD MACINTYRE, shepherd, deceased and mother MARY MACINTYRE maiden name MCEWEN of ISLAY. From Charles Houston's website, other children of Donald and Mary are: FLORY MACINTYRE - JAMES MACINTYRE - NEIL MACINTYRE (married CHRISTINA MACDOUGALL). I would appreciate any further information on Archibald's parents and/or siblings that anyone would like to share. I am willing to exchange information I have gathered on Archibald McIntyre and his descendants. Sincerely, Pam (Mack) Nixon Westland, Pennsylvania USA pnixon15378@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

Norma when I was young here in Scotland women did not go to Funerals when my gran was buried 47 years ago it was all males who attended. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Callicott" <norcal@telus.net> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:05 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Did women go to funerals? > My relatives have told my that an old picture I have posted on the > internet, believed to be taken somewhere on Islay in the mid 1800s, is > from a funeral and that there are no women in the picture because they > didn't go to funerals. see photo at: www3.telus.net/artnorma/johnston. > > Or maybe it just wasn't common for women to be in many photos?? > > Any comments or thoughts? > > Norma > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the > Virtual Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm >

Hi Norma, Your right. Women did not go to funerals, especially not the grave. A superstition that lingered until my day was that a pregnant woman should not view a dead body or some harm would come to her unborn child. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Callicott" <norcal@telus.net> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:05 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Did women go to funerals? > My relatives have told my that an old picture I have posted on the internet, believed to be taken somewhere on Islay in the mid 1800s, is from a funeral and that there are no women in the picture because they didn't go to funerals.

Hi Ann I had an aunt Mary Ann who was always called Minnie Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Claggett" <ann42@dccnet.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:49 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] forenames and patterns > Hello Sue > Could there possibly have been another nickname for Mary? > >

Hi Sue As mentioned in your para 7, I think this might be the answer. "One reason you may not find birth/ baptism records could be due to the Stamp Act of 1783 which imposed a tax of 3d on every entry of a birth/baptism, marriage and burial. Although this Act was repealed in 1794 it did have the effect of deterring people from registering births, marriages and deaths for about 10 years." Best wishes James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: "the other side of the blanket" > Hi all > > A couple of weeks ago, in fun (put it down to the winter blahs!) I asked a > hypothetical question: "The couple had a good marriage - but it was a > confirmed common law union. They lived together for 42 years. Are their > children illegitimate?" I had no specific family in mind but wondered how > the list would consider these circumstances. There were dozens of > responses, some quite detailed. Unfortunately I didn't state a time > frame or specific country but nonetheless, the responses were quite > interesting. A couple were lengthy and one in particular very informative > and I've asked its writer to forward it to the list. Interestingly enough > less than 25% stated firmly that the children were illegitimate without > question - that means that 75% were undecided. > > Thank you to all who shared their comments and insight. A couple of you > have really off beat humour - thanks for making me laugh too. What > started out as a fun question turned into one requiring deep thought. I'm > sure a huge book could be written on this topic so it will be somewhat > inadequate to try to cover it all in this format but I'll try to cover > part of it - no doubt missing far too much too. > > There are 2 ways to consider illegitimacy - a child born without any > marriage of any kind and a child born within a union that is not > recognized as traditional marriage and therefore deemed illegal. > > First consider the child born without any marriage...in the OPRs, this > child is indicated as "illegitimate" with the mother noted but no father > indicated. In Ted Larson's transcriptions of Islay births for the period > to 1855, there were 418 children listed without fathers. What was life > like for these children - and for their mothers? I sadly noted the number > of illegitimate children who died in infancy when examining Ted's death > transcriptions (see posts in Sept and Oct 2002) - some had reasons of > death like scarletina noted and other had "unknown" as the reason of death > but I do wonder if these children were "allowed" to die. > > The second kind of illegitimate child - one born within a union not > recognized as a legal marriage....first we need to know the various kinds > of marriages that have been in Scotland. (Note: Art Hunter posted a > detailed email on marriage Scottish law Oct 5, 2000 that is definitely > worth re-reading and I have 'lifted' some of the content to include here) > > 1) Taken from "Life in Scotland A Hundred Years Ago" by James Murray, as > reflected in the Old Statistical Accounts: "A fair was held annually...at > that place it was the custom of the unmarried persons of both sexes to > choose a companion according to their liking, with whom they were to live > till that time, next year. This was called 'hand fasting', or hand in > fist. If they were pleased with each other at that time, then they > continued together in life; if not, they separated and were free to make > another choice. The fruit of this connection, if any, was always attached > to the disaffected person". > > 2) Marriage by banns: banns were called three consecutive Sundays at > Church. After the third calling, without ceremony necessary, they were > consider married (Paul Smart, Bishop, LDS Utah, conference speaker 1995). > As we see in the OPRs, if the bride and groom were from different > parishes, the bans were called in each of their parishes. > > 3) Only wealthier people or people of consequence/standing were married > by license (Paul Smart, 1995). > > 4) Marriage of Declaration: both parties declared that they accepted one > another as husband and wife (probably similar to #1) > > 5) Marriage by Habit and Repute - if 2 persons in respect of whom there > is no legal impediment to marriage, live together and behave towards each > other in public as though they are husband and wife, then it can be held > that that a marriage has been established. > > 6) Runaway or 'Gretna Green' marriages. Involved English participants > crossing over to Scotland where marriage laws were much more lax and isn't > a focus for Islay marriages. > > 7) undocumented marriages. I recall a discussion with list members (live > or online I cannot remember - Toni Sinclair - do you remember?) that there > were times when fees were charged by the clerics to document a marriage > (or birth or death) in the parish records. How often did this > happen....the banns were read but the fees were beyond their means so > while they were legally married, it was not documented. The children > born to this union would be known as legitimate at that time, but the > researcher many generations ahead might consider the children illegitimate > because the marriage documentation isn't found. > > So now we consider the children born to the above various kinds of unions. > Are they illegitimate? According to Webster's Dictionary, marriage means > 1) the state of being married; 2) the mutual relation of husband and wife; > 3) the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of > social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a > family. According to the same dictionary, illegitimate means: 1) not > recognized as lawful offspring; 2) born of parents not married to each > other. The answer to my question about illegitimacy is as individual as > how each of us interprets "marriage". Personally I don't believe there is > a black-and-white, one-size-fits-all answer. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > ______________________________

In a message dated 1/22/2006 6:03:14 AM GMT Standard Time, norcal@telus.net writes: www3.telus.net/artnorma/johnston I think that women came to the house of the dead person to pay their respects, but it would only be men who followed the coffin to the church or the graveyard and they would return to the house where the women had prepared a meal. I attended a funeral in Bowmore in Islay in the early 1970s and went to the service in the Round Church, but it was only men who went to the graveside in the churchyard. Elizabeth McAuslan