Carolyn, I'm sorry I'm not able to answer your question about the Curries. Malcolm R. Campbell on the list is a descendent of the Curries in Nottawasaga Twp. Perhaps he might know. The Curries I have been researching were living in Mariposa Twp. They were cousins to Malcolm's family through marriage to Mary McDougall. Christine CH5954@aol.com wrote: This Currie story is of great interest to me. My Currie's were living in Mariposa in 1881, supposedly with family- never owned their own farm in Ontario. I found the Baptist information interesting. I thought all of my folks were Church of Scotland. Are there Baptist records anywhere from the 1870's to early 1890's? I am especially interested in deaths, births, membership lists for Mariposa. How many Curries were in Mariposa in 1881? I have the map in Mariposa that Banner Township. I think there are a couple shown, but there might have been non-land owners. Thanks for the stories! Carolyn ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm

Mary, I saw your info and thought the names looked familiar. My 5th cousin Malcolm R. Campbell is descendent from Archilbald Currie and Mary (Flora) McQueen. The info he shared with me was that Archibald was born Nov 13, 1763 in Lurabus. He married Mary about 1803 and died 1814 in Tenant on Gorbas, Kilmeny. Mary was born June 16, 1770 in Killian. She died about Oct 1833 in Oro Twp. Simcoe County, Ontario. Archilbald's parents were Patrick (Peter) Currie and Florence McQueen (1719-1780) Archilbald & Mary had a son Malcolm Currie (bn 25 Feb 1807 in Belleharvie, Kilmeny - died 15 Aug 1865 at Lagmore Farm Nottawasaga Twp. Simcoe Co, Ontario) Malcolm married Mary McDougall (bn 6 Nov 1814 Bowmore - 6 Oct 1896 Nottawasaga Twp., Simcoe County, Ontario) Hopefully he will see your post. If not contact me off list and I will pass your info along to Malcolm. Christine Mary MacKay <jms.mackay@bmts.com> wrote: I enjoyed the story about Curries in Mariposa and Nottawasaga. For sometime I thought my Curries came from Kintyre until I was given this information about their marriage. Archibald Currie b. about 1780 from Ballehoure, Kilmeny, Argyll, Scotland Spouce: Mary McQueen b. about 1787 Married 1808 Can anyone help? Beth ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm

Sorry Sue, couldn't get any answers from this site, just" No records available". Celia.

I enjoyed the story about Curries in Mariposa and Nottawasaga. For sometime I thought my Curries came from Kintyre until I was given this information about their marriage. Archibald Currie b. about 1780 from Ballehoure, Kilmeny, Argyll, Scotland Spouce: Mary McQueen b. about 1787 Married 1808 Can anyone help? Beth

I have been contacted by a lady called Christine Cooper, who is trying to trace her Curries. Her Grandmother was Amt Lila Currie from Inverell.(Inverell is a small town in New South Wales,Australia. Many Curries settled in the surrounding area in the 1800's). Christine's great grandparents were James Archibald Currie and Sarah Carson born Mungle Creek. I've looked up my road directories, and I can't find Mungal Creek.I've asked her for more details of early ancestors. Thank you, Carol Rowe (Currie)

This Currie story is of great interest to me. My Currie's were living in Mariposa in 1881, supposedly with family- never owned their own farm in Ontario. I found the Baptist information interesting. I thought all of my folks were Church of Scotland. Are there Baptist records anywhere from the 1870's to early 1890's? I am especially interested in deaths, births, membership lists for Mariposa. How many Curries were in Mariposa in 1881? I have the map in Mariposa that Banner Township. I think there are a couple shown, but there might have been non-land owners. Thanks for the stories! Carolyn

For those of you researching Currie & Gillespie families, this was given to me by Alice Burke. Christine Harenberg CURRIE FAMILY HISTORY IN NOTTAWASAGA DATES TO 1887 DAUGHTER MARKS 100TH YEAR James Currie born in Islay Scotland in 1824, married Christena Gillespie in 1847 Died in Nottawasaga Simcoe County May 13 1889 and is buried in Creemore Cemetery. Christena Gillespie, born in 1830 in Islay is also buried in Creemore Cemetery. James Currie lived for 25 years in Mariposa Twp. before coming to Nottawasaga Twp in 1857. The township was then sparsely settled and could almost be termed a wilderness. He was accompanied by his wife and four children. James hewed out a comfortable livelihood for himself and his large family on the farm that he occupied until his death. They had 15 children 10 boys and 5 girls but only 11 grew to maturity. An obituary written by J. B. Spurr and appearing in the Creemore Star, May 16 1889 has this to say,- “In 1864 the Government saw fit to appoint him one of our Magistrate’s Justice of the Peace for the County of Simcoe. Which position he held and the duties thereof he impartially discharged until his death. He did not use the office of Magistrate for financial gain but for the meting out of justice to litigants who sought his judgment. When parties came with trifling disputes, he advised them to settle the dispute without law. When a case came before him his judgment was unbiased; therefore he was respected by all classes, creeds, nationalities. When his advice was sought, it was given in a cheerful honest manner that none who took it might err. James Currie was one of the pillars of the Baptist Church, a Christian not only in name but in deed as his walk and conversation in life showed and proved him to be. He was a loving partner, a parent dear, with a cheerful smile and a pleasant face. Christena Currie continues to live on the farm with her family. She was lovingly cared for by her youngest daughter Mary. She was a highly respected pioneer mother. As funeral services were so different 80 years ago from the present-day services, we feel that the Currie’s will be interested to read what was written in the Creemore Star regarding the funeral of James Currie:- It was estimated that there were 300 rigs in the procession which reached almost from the farm home at Bayview to the Creemore Cemetery. The following Sunday Rev W. E Norton Conducted a memorial service in the Baptist Church using as his text:- “ The time of my departure is at hand; I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith.” The choir sang, :How blessed is the Scene when Christians Die.” The church was draped in black. The Dead March in Saul was played solemnly and effectively by the organist Mrs Alex Gillespie. THE FAMILY OF JAMES AND CHRISTENA CURRIE Christena, along with her parents was a charter member of the Creemore Baptist Church. On May 15 1873 she married Robert Ross who was the young minister in that church. At that time transportation was very difficult, minister’s salaried were low with the result that when Christena Currie left home her family really saw very little of her. Archie and Ann Currie who settled on Lot Con 3 in 1850 just east of Creemore had ten children, 6 boys and 4 girls who all grew up to maturity, healthy and sturdy. They went to Bayview School, following a blazed trail in a north-west direction through the woods. In this day of consolidated schools, it is interesting to know that in the years 1855-1865 when the older Currie children went to school there were two schools at Bayview. In 1865 the Catholic school closed and all attended one school where Angus Bell taught for a number of years. At that time 9 Currie’s attended school, 2 girls and 7 boys. In 1868 land was purchased from James Currie for $25. and a new school was built. The younger Currie’s in both families attended Currie’s School. The boys worked on the farm as they grew up and later went to lumber camps in the winter. Their mother made all their clothes including the heavy coats. mitts, socks and even the straw hats. They always went barefooted in the warm weather. They had lots of fun, though children to-day would think it a hard life. And it was a bare life- that is why they enjoyed their fun so thoroughly. When Archie Currie came to lot 10 Con 3 it was 200 Acres, but in 1870 the East half was sold to Robert Steele. This situation is quite unique perhaps more so than a, “Century Farm.” For 97 years the Currie and Miller children have played with the Steele children who were next door. In 1875 land was selling for $1. an acre in Bruce County, so Archie moved with part of his family to Kincardine Twp. His son John married and took over the family farm. Besides John, Archie and Annie, the two eldest in the family who were now married also remained in Creemore. Archie married Henriette Manning. Their family lived in the Creemore area for many years. Their daughters were Annie, Mrs. Chas Stone, and Miss Etta Currie, later Mrs O Whiteman who always came back to visit. Their son John lived in Creemore until after he married Ethel Featherstone, also of Creemore. Their son Harold is the United Church minister at Hensall Ontario. In May 1872, Annnie married John Miller a quiet industrious Irishman who took her to the farm that he had hewed out of the forest on the 4th line. Born into that home were,- Stuart, Archie, Adam, Josie, Annie, Alex and Jim. IN 1901 Archie Miller married and bought his father’s farm. John Currie had decided to move his large family to St. Joseph’s Island. John Miller bought the Currie farm and took his wife Annie back to her father’s farm where she had grown up. Annie Miller died in 1915 and John Miller died in October 1919. John Currie’s family is favourably remembered by people who were children in the 90’s. They were Rae, Douglas, Norman, Jennie, Vera, Tena, Mae and John Archibald. The family of course attended Cashtown School. When they went to St Joseph’s Island they took their milch cows with them from Creemore. The cows were walked up the 4th line eventually reaching Collingwood where they were put on a boat and taken across Lake Huron. Mr and Mrs Currie are both buried on the island. Several of the family are at Sault Ste Marie. Mr and Mrs James Currie of Creemore had a very large family, 10 boys and 5 girls. The 13th child was beautiful little girl to whom they gave two Gillespie names, Annie Florence born May 10 1867. A most interesting fact about this little girl is that she is still living- Mrs George E. J. Brown, Wentworth Lodge Dundas. Annie Currie lived on her parents’ farm Lot 12 Con 4 Nottawasaga until Oct 6 1897 when she married George Brown, a young lawyer, and went to live in his spacious home in Creemore. Their only child Jay was born in 1898 in Creemore where he attended school. The Brown’s had one of the few cars in Creemore in the years 1914-1916 and some people remember having their first car ride with Jay and his mother. War broke out and Jay joined the Amed Forces and went overseas. His parents waited anxiously for the day when he would return to them but on March 18 1919 George Brown died. Mrs Brown was always a most gracious lady with hosts of friends. For many years she was the organist in the Creemore Baptist Church. Following the war, Mrs Brown went to Toronto to live, making a home for her son while he completed his education and later graduated as a druggist. She had spent the first half of her century in Creemore. Twenty years ago she came back for a few years, living in the house of Miss Annie Currie, who was nursing in Toronto. She has one grandson David Brown who is at present taking his Doctor's degree at the University of Colorado in Denver and should emerge in a couple of years with a PhD in Bio-Chemistry. NOTTAWASAGA THE GILLESPIE CLAN SCOTTISH IMMIGRANTS BECAME BANKERS AND BUSINESS LEADERS A ship sailing from Islay in the Hebrides in 1837 had aboard it Angus Gillespie, his wife, Christena McMillan, their five children, Archie, Ann, Christena, Mary, Dougald, ranging in age from 18 years to one year, all on their way to Canada. It was a tiresome voyage but eventually they arrived safely in Ontario in Victoria County on a farm situated between Lindsay and Woodville in Mariposa Twp. There they found Archie and James Currie with their parents who spoke the Gaelic language, were of the Baptist faith and already established in Mariposa for five years (1832). Perhaps the first farm was not completely satisfactory for in 1844 the Gillespie’s were living in Thorah Twp. near Beaverton. We know that four children, Duncan, Catherine, Flora and Alex and that the two black-haired giant sons from the Currie home had become interested in the pretty young Gillespie sisters. In 1845 20 year old Ann married 24 year old Archie Currie and in 1847 the second daughter Christena married James Currie. The Gillespie’s left Victoria County and in 1848 were among the early pioneers in Nottawasaga Twp. in Simcoe County. occupying Lot 17 Con 4 the farm presently owned by Reg Redrupp, north of Creemore. They bore all the harships endured by first settlers, cutting down trees, putting up buildings, travelling long distances to market, and having no school or church nearby. Good reports, however, must have been sent back to Mariposa for in the winter of 1850 Archie and Annie Currie made the long trek to Nottawasaga Twp. along with three small children. Travelling in sleighs they crossed Lake Simcoe on the ice at the Narrows (Atherley) followed down on the old trail to Barrie and going west eventually reached Creemore. They settled on Lot 10 Con 2 Nottawasaga Twp., the farm presently owned by John Miller, their great grandson. In 1857 James and Christena Currie also came to Nottawasaga. They settled on lot 12 Con 4 at Bayview on a farm that commands a spacious panoramic view. They lived on this farm for the remainder of their lives making it a beautiful home. There was no Baptist Church in Nottawasaga for a number of years but this large family was the nucleus of the Creemore Baptist Church. In the Canadian Baptist historical collection, Hamilton, there are reports from theological students who spent their summers in the early 1860’s working in Nottawasaga. On several occasions reference is made to being entertained, “in the hospitable home of Mr and Mrs Angus Gillespie.” The Creemore Baptist Church was organized in 1866. Ann Gillespie had many sorrows during the years that she lived on the 4th line.

"Outlawed and put to the horn" Thank you everyone for the explanations. I went back and analyzed the 48 ACCUSED cases of the South Circuit Court. Of the 48 cases in the Minutes 11 cases - for forgery, murder, rioting, theft, sheep-stealing, perjury - were situations where the accused was Guilty and also was a 'fugitive' and the words "outlawed and put to the horn" were part of their record. In the other 37 cases the accused had been determined Guilty but were not determined to be a fugutive and no 'put to the horn' message was recorded in their record. The '37' accused was 'Banished from Scotland (some for life, others for a period of years). From all of this it would appear that when the defendant was Guilty and a fugitive that the Court announced or posted the Guilty verdict for the public to view or was placed on a sherrifs list for tracking. As an aside - One John Cook was convicted of the crime of rape. He was sentenced to death by hanging. 3 months later there was a remission of sentence granted by Edinburgh and he enlisted in the Royal Marines. Looks like punishments for crime in todays world make more sense. Thanks again for all the help, Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > Maybe this explains it... > > letters of horning - one of the forms of diligence; the comparatively mild > one. Takes the form (as they generally do) of a letter in the monarch's > name under the signet seal. Which is sent to a law officer instructing > him > to charge someone who has defaulted on an agreement to pay or perform what > he had agreed within a set time under pain of being denounced rebel and " > put to the horn " - it opens the way for the action by which the > defaulter's > moveables can escheat to the Crown in theory and in fact be sold to > satisfy > the complainer in practice. See poinding. > poinding > a diligence (enforced by letter under the signet called "letters of > poinding") whereby ownership of a debtor's moveable property is > transferred > to his creditor. "Real poinding" or "poinding of the ground" is the > poinding of goods lying on lands which are a security for the debt; > "personal poinding" is the poinding of moveables which are then sold at > auction (or "made penny of" in the usual phrase) the proceeds of which are > used to pay the debt. If there is more than one creditor, there may be an > action of multiple poinding raised by the debtor > > It sounds like being put to the horn meant your property was confiscated > and > sold. What do you think? > > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Young" <d.m.young@earthlink.net> > To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > > > > Here are four 'ACCUSED' cases from the below listed site. > WOW - pretty tough in those days. Present days law is much more > considerate. > I understand ' Transportation - Life' as meaning being sent to Australia > for > life > but what does 'Outlawed and put to the horn' mean ????? > > Doug Young > > Accused Alexander Kelby, Address: [Barnslas]. Entry relating to the > crime of forgery. Date of trial: 9 Sep 1803, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict > Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn > Accused James Myres. Entry relating to the crime of theft and > housebreaking. Date of trial: 11 Sep 1802, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: > Transportation - Life > Accused William Carson, weaver, Address: Irvine, Ayrshire. Entry > relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 13 Apr > 1804, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life > Accused Mary Thomson, sister of Robert Thomson, blacksmith at > Nethermill, Kirkmichael parish, Address: Nethermill, Kirkmichael. Entry > relating to the crime of child murder. Date of trial: 16 Sep 1802, > Verdict: > Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and > put > to the horn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> > To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:21 AM > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > > >> OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your >> specific family research. >> >> Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ >> >> and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click >> on the number beside each item, more details are available. >> >> Cheerio >> Sue Visser >> >> >> ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >> Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm >> >> > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the > Virtual > Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm > > > __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 > visit: > HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > >

SUE...THANK YOU. I never could have guessed that answer. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > This is what I found Doug but somehow it doesn't seem to fit or is there > something I'm missing??? > > http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/621.html > > To put to the horn. To denounce as a rebel, or pronounce a person an > outlaw, > for not answering to a summons. In Scotland the messenger-at-arms goes to > the Cross of Edinburgh and gives three blasts with a horn before he > heralds > the judgment of outlawry. > > "A king's messenger must give three blasts with his horn, by which the > person is understood to be proclaimed rebel to the king for contempt of > his > authority." - Erskine: Institutes, book ii. 5. > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Young" <d.m.young@earthlink.net> > To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > > > > Here are four 'ACCUSED' cases from the below listed site. > WOW - pretty tough in those days. Present days law is much more > considerate. > I understand ' Transportation - Life' as meaning being sent to Australia > for > life > but what does 'Outlawed and put to the horn' mean ????? > > Doug Young > > Accused Alexander Kelby, Address: [Barnslas]. Entry relating to the > crime of forgery. Date of trial: 9 Sep 1803, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict > Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn > Accused James Myres. Entry relating to the crime of theft and > housebreaking. Date of trial: 11 Sep 1802, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: > Transportation - Life > Accused William Carson, weaver, Address: Irvine, Ayrshire. Entry > relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 13 Apr > 1804, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life > Accused Mary Thomson, sister of Robert Thomson, blacksmith at > Nethermill, Kirkmichael parish, Address: Nethermill, Kirkmichael. Entry > relating to the crime of child murder. Date of trial: 16 Sep 1802, > Verdict: > Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and > put > to the horn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> > To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:21 AM > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > > >> OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your >> specific family research. >> >> Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ >> >> and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click >> on the number beside each item, more details are available. >> >> Cheerio >> Sue Visser >> >> >> ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >> Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm >> >> > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the > Virtual > Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm > > > __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 > visit: > HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > >

To whom it may concern Need help in regard to Joseph Pearson and spouse Mary Ramsay, date ,month and year of birth including their marriage, their son James was born in Robolls, Kilmeny, Scotland, if they had any more children's it would be appreciated. Thank you in advance. Bye Gerry

Hi list, This family is going nowhere for me, so I hope someone can help. Marion R McDougall, born c1843 in Kilbride- died before 1915 in Glasgow. She married Duncan Hunter c 1845 in Scotland. They were married June 27 1872. One child Isabella (Bella, Bellow) born Mar 21 1878 in Glasgow. We assume Marion died in childbirth and Duncan went where?? Bella came to Bruce County with her McDougall grandparents in 1888. I found her on the 1901 Ontario census as Bellow Hunter, housekeeper for Fred Swinton. Anyone have some ideas for me to try? Heather _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!

Maybe this explains it... letters of horning - one of the forms of diligence; the comparatively mild one. Takes the form (as they generally do) of a letter in the monarch's name under the signet seal. Which is sent to a law officer instructing him to charge someone who has defaulted on an agreement to pay or perform what he had agreed within a set time under pain of being denounced rebel and " put to the horn " - it opens the way for the action by which the defaulter's moveables can escheat to the Crown in theory and in fact be sold to satisfy the complainer in practice. See poinding. poinding a diligence (enforced by letter under the signet called "letters of poinding") whereby ownership of a debtor's moveable property is transferred to his creditor. "Real poinding" or "poinding of the ground" is the poinding of goods lying on lands which are a security for the debt; "personal poinding" is the poinding of moveables which are then sold at auction (or "made penny of" in the usual phrase) the proceeds of which are used to pay the debt. If there is more than one creditor, there may be an action of multiple poinding raised by the debtor It sounds like being put to the horn meant your property was confiscated and sold. What do you think? Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Young" <d.m.young@earthlink.net> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun Here are four 'ACCUSED' cases from the below listed site. WOW - pretty tough in those days. Present days law is much more considerate. I understand ' Transportation - Life' as meaning being sent to Australia for life but what does 'Outlawed and put to the horn' mean ????? Doug Young Accused Alexander Kelby, Address: [Barnslas]. Entry relating to the crime of forgery. Date of trial: 9 Sep 1803, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn Accused James Myres. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 11 Sep 1802, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused William Carson, weaver, Address: Irvine, Ayrshire. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 13 Apr 1804, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused Mary Thomson, sister of Robert Thomson, blacksmith at Nethermill, Kirkmichael parish, Address: Nethermill, Kirkmichael. Entry relating to the crime of child murder. Date of trial: 16 Sep 1802, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your > specific family research. > > Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ > > and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click > on the number beside each item, more details are available. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the Virtual Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

This is what I found Doug but somehow it doesn't seem to fit or is there something I'm missing??? http://www.bootlegbooks.com/Reference/PhraseAndFable/data/621.html To put to the horn. To denounce as a rebel, or pronounce a person an outlaw, for not answering to a summons. In Scotland the messenger-at-arms goes to the Cross of Edinburgh and gives three blasts with a horn before he heralds the judgment of outlawry. "A king's messenger must give three blasts with his horn, by which the person is understood to be proclaimed rebel to the king for contempt of his authority." - Erskine: Institutes, book ii. 5. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Young" <d.m.young@earthlink.net> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun Here are four 'ACCUSED' cases from the below listed site. WOW - pretty tough in those days. Present days law is much more considerate. I understand ' Transportation - Life' as meaning being sent to Australia for life but what does 'Outlawed and put to the horn' mean ????? Doug Young Accused Alexander Kelby, Address: [Barnslas]. Entry relating to the crime of forgery. Date of trial: 9 Sep 1803, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn Accused James Myres. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 11 Sep 1802, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused William Carson, weaver, Address: Irvine, Ayrshire. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 13 Apr 1804, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused Mary Thomson, sister of Robert Thomson, blacksmith at Nethermill, Kirkmichael parish, Address: Nethermill, Kirkmichael. Entry relating to the crime of child murder. Date of trial: 16 Sep 1802, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your > specific family research. > > Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ > > and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click > on the number beside each item, more details are available. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the Virtual Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __________ NOD32 1.1382 (20060127) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

Here are four 'ACCUSED' cases from the below listed site. WOW - pretty tough in those days. Present days law is much more considerate. I understand ' Transportation - Life' as meaning being sent to Australia for life but what does 'Outlawed and put to the horn' mean ????? Doug Young Accused Alexander Kelby, Address: [Barnslas]. Entry relating to the crime of forgery. Date of trial: 9 Sep 1803, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn Accused James Myres. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 11 Sep 1802, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused William Carson, weaver, Address: Irvine, Ayrshire. Entry relating to the crime of theft and housebreaking. Date of trial: 13 Apr 1804, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - Life Accused Mary Thomson, sister of Robert Thomson, blacksmith at Nethermill, Kirkmichael parish, Address: Nethermill, Kirkmichael. Entry relating to the crime of child murder. Date of trial: 16 Sep 1802, Verdict: Outlawed, Verdict Comments: Outlaw and fugitive, Sentence: Outlawed and put to the horn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your > specific family research. > > Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ > > and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click > on the number beside each item, more details are available. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > >

Looks as if it could fit, if sounding the horn three times officially proclaimed the person as an outlaw, even for debt or what we might think of as civil offenses? There is also a definition in the Scottish Archive Network Ltd.'s Research Tools glossary: horning, letters of I'm paraphrasing... a mild form of diligence (legal action)...a letter in the monarch's name under signet seal. sent to a law officer authorizing him to charge someone who has defaulted...to perform as agreed within a specific time period, " under pain of being denounced rebel and 'put to the horn' ", if defaulter does not perform. Allows for defaulter's moveable property to be taken by the crown or sold to satisfy debt, etc. http://www.scan.org.uk/researchrtools/glossary_h.htm Diane Rogers British Columbia, Canada

Yikes!!! don't want to see my family on this list!! Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue V" <genealgal2@execulink.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:21 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] research fun > OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your > specific family research. > > Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ > > and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click > on the number beside each item, more details are available. > > Cheerio > Sue Visser > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > >

OK - so you have an hour or so to spare and would like a break from your specific family research. Go to http://www.dswebhosting.info/nas/ and type in "Islay" in "Any Text" and see what comes up. When you click on the number beside each item, more details are available. Cheerio Sue Visser

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It made me laugh out loud. I knew what you meant. :-) Sandy David and Monta Salmon wrote: > My apologies to all. As my good friend Sue pointed out --- > I haven't been "sulking".> > I guess its more like "lurking around the edges". When my fingers do the > talking they sometimes misspeak and sure don't know how to spell. That's > one my spell checker missed. Sorry - don't want anyone to think I was mad > at the list - just been busy.> > Monta

Hi friends, Its time to pick the brains of some of you who have the Gaelic. There are 2 entries in the OPR Bowmore Parish births that are puzzling me: Sinclair Hugh Buchanan Mary Eorabus Hugh 7 Apr 1793 Sinclair Hugh Nchnehanit Mary Balole Archibald 12 Jan 1771 Would "Nchnehanit" translate to Buchanan? There were very few Hugh Sinclairs in the late 1700s, and I'm thinking he is the same man. I've double checked the writing in the OPR, and that is actually the way it looks. Any help would be appreciated. Toni _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.