Hello John, Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate the email. I had no idea there were any type accounts set up for patients, and to be honest, I hadn't really been thinking there would be any money as this lady pretty much spent her whole working life in the hospital. I would expect that left over money should helped defray costs of care. I've been more interested in meeting her and in memories and photographs! I am so keen to get a photo of her parents or grandparents :) It's a pity I hadn't figured this out last year when I could have visited her on our visit to Scotland. Sadly, it does not seem that she is lucid enough for a visit at this point. I believe my Mom is concerned that the hospital might send me a whopping bill for her care - something that they probably would do here in the States. I also do not know what is involved in being next of kin. Of course this is supposing that there is no one else listed. What would be great is to find a DICK relative listed as next of kin and have another present day relative found! This has brought home to me that this is not just research, this is real life. (that came out sounding silly, but I think you catch my drift). Best wishes, Allison

Thank you, Hugh. Its the same but with some additional history about the music and the author of the lyrics. Toni >From: "Hugh" <hugh@hfraser.freeserve.co.uk> >Reply-To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] "The Maid of Islay" >Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:26:16 -0000 > >Or if you go to >http://www.nzetc.org/projects/golder/resource/maido.html >you can get the "the maid of the loch music" >Hugh........... >All the best. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Sinclair" ><tonisinclair@hotmail.com> >To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:43 PM >Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] "The Maid of Islay" > > >>Hi friends, >>I recently picked up an old book called"The Songs of Scotland" Royal >>edition, dated 1877. In it I found a song called "The Maid of Islay", no >>composer's name, but it has both the music and the lyrics. I have no idea >>how old the song really is,but its lyrics are very poetic and romantic; >>definitely not about the steamship by that name. >> >>If any of you are musical, and would like a copy of it to play yourself, >>please contact me off-list with your mailing address (tonisinclair"at" >>hotmail.com), and I'll send it to you. >> >>Toni >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen >>Technology >>http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines >>Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the >>first two months FREE*. >> >> >>==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >>Click on this link for information on others researching the same families >>as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ >> >> >> > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >Click on this link for information on others researching the same families >as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Oops! forgot the url , sorry about that Russ. www.chouston.f2s.com Charles

After many years of searching for MacKenzies in Islay the earliest mentions I could find were a few names on land rent records from the early 1700s. The absence of parish records for Kilchoman before the 1820s is a definite hindrance. Much to my surprise a colleague found several much earlier listings in the Islay Cultural Database. There was no supporting information and I have been not been able to find much additional material. I am hoping that someone on this list might be able to fill in some blanks. Roderick Mackenzie, 3rd Chief of Islay. Died 1499. Executed in Edinburgh with son and three grandsons. Alexander Mackenzie, 5th Chief of Islay. Died 1538 The title “Chief of Islay” is unusual and I can find no other mention of it. It was suggested that it might link to “Lord of the Isles” but I can not make that connection either. Gillanders McKenzie and John MacKenzie were Crown tenants of Cladville in 1541 when the lands of ‘Cladeil’ (with Eilean Kkenyth) were let to them. Nothing found for Gillanders McKenzie. Did find Cladville, NW of Portnahaven, Kilchoman Parish. Rodoric Mckenzie. In 1617 he is listed at Cogeanche in the Register of the Great Seal of Scotland. Nothing found for Rodoric Mckenzie + Islay. Did find the following for Cogeanche in the on-line catalog for the National Archives of Scotland: “Papers of the MacKenzie Family, Earls of Cromartie. Assignation by Rovie McKenzie in Cogeanche to [ ] of the sum of 1309 merks in Bond by John Erskine, dated 12 December 1641, as therein mentioned.” Can not identify Cogeanche. It has been suggested that this might refer to Roderick MacKenzie, Tutor of Kintail, and to a site on the mainland, therefore not connected to Islay at all- - - but it was in the islay Database. Gillichrist McKenzie. Rental of Kepolls to Gillichrist Mckenzie et al, 1686. Nothing found on Gillichrist. I think I’ve located Kepolls south of Lake Finlaggan.. I would be very pleased to hear from anyone who might be able to add any insights on these listings.

Hi Russ, Thank you for putting more Islay resources online. Your McGilvray connections to McFadyen and McArthur are on my site. Regards Charles

Of course I meant the government got the money if there was no family. On 2/20/06, John Conley <jconleysr@gmail.com> wrote: > Look at the other side. > > AS a former employee of a large chain of nursing homes in Canada where > we, like Great Britian have socialized medicine, I set up the trust > fund administration accounting system. > > Each resident was given about $50 per month over and above the cost of > staying there, for things like hairdressing, housecoats, gum, > whatever. The home/hospital had to deposit this money in an account, > and pay interest. I had several residents who had spent most of > their lives in institutions who had thousands of dollars in assets > tied up. > > I know nothing about the British System but in Canada, the monies > belonged to the government upon death. It is also a fact here that if > the person going in did not have anyone to take care of them their > assets (house,bank accounts, jewels, furniture etc.) were seized, > sold, and the balance added to their account. > > I cannot in any way imagine a country with a socalized medical system > would require any form of financial support. > > My Dad recently got $10,000 aprox. from a distant relative who died 12 > years ago in Britian. The company that did the research and contacted > him charged 25% of the money for making the arrangements. I wish I > had some rich great uncle somewhere. > -- John Conley Sr. 649-2970

Look at the other side. AS a former employee of a large chain of nursing homes in Canada where we, like Great Britian have socialized medicine, I set up the trust fund administration accounting system. Each resident was given about $50 per month over and above the cost of staying there, for things like hairdressing, housecoats, gum, whatever. The home/hospital had to deposit this money in an account, and pay interest. I had several residents who had spent most of their lives in institutions who had thousands of dollars in assets tied up. I know nothing about the British System but in Canada, the monies belonged to the government upon death. It is also a fact here that if the person going in did not have anyone to take care of them their assets (house,bank accounts, jewels, furniture etc.) were seized, sold, and the balance added to their account. I cannot in any way imagine a country with a socalized medical system would require any form of financial support. My Dad recently got $10,000 aprox. from a distant relative who died 12 years ago in Britian. The company that did the research and contacted him charged 25% of the money for making the arrangements. I wish I had some rich great uncle somewhere.

Hello Everyone, I have had an exciting time recently with my genealogical searching and it has led into areas I never would have imagined! I have traced part of my Islay DICK family to Glasgow in 1901. Separately, I was given letters of my great aunt (whose mother was a DICK) by my cousin here in the States. In this group of letters, were several from a particular person. Through searching the remaining 4 siblings of my ggrandmother, I have found the parents of the letter writer; though not her own BC as she was born after the scotlandspeople cutoff. I know I have the correct family/people because of information contained in the letters, the use of unusual names, and the fact that the letter writer was named after her mother's mother (this matches on her parent's marriage cert). When I realized that her parents were married in 1921; my mind really focused. She could still be alive! I traced the return address on the handwritten letters - so appreciative for that formal style of writing that lists all this information and discovered that she was at that time a patient in a psychiatric hospital. This raised even more questions; though I decided that if I'm to research the family, I cannot pick and choose just the happy, good things...and decided to forge ahead. I called the hospital in Scotland and though they could not give me information on the phone for confidentiality reasons, they confirmed that she is indeed still alive! I was so stunned and excited! I spoke to the Records Officer and to the nurse on the Ward. Unfortunately, her state of health is frail and she is not very lucid. To get any further information, I will need to prove to them who I am and that I am connected to this lady. I set merrily about this task, thinking of seeing her and perhaps getting some snippits of memories when my own mother brought me up short. In the letters (written in 1960 and 1983), this newly found great aunt had indicated that she had not had a visitor in many years. My Mom said "What if proving yourself you then are made her next of kin?" "What would be those responsibilities?" "Would you be then responsible for her 40-year hospitalization bill...for all her affairs?" I am thinking genealogically and my Mom is thinking practically. I have no idea how to sort this out. Has anyone been in a similar situation? I know from Google, that the hospital is a National Health Service facility; but I have no idea how this is administered as I am a US citizen. I am in unknown territory, and would appreciate thoughts or information...or even what type of person in Scotland could assist me understanding this? I should be getting ready for our move to Virginia, but I can't get this 'new' relative out of my mind.... Thanks very much, Allison Florida (soon to be Virginia), USA

Charles, Where is your site? I did a search for all WorldConnect trees with McGillivrays and Islay, but did not get yours. One reason I ask is that I just want to have the generations on Islay in my database, but want to hyperlink to other sites where people can find the descendants if they want. Russ McGillivray >From: "Charles & Ruth Houston" <chouston@f2s.com> >Reply-To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McGillivrays of Islay >Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:02:39 -0000 > >Hi Russ, > >Thank you for putting more Islay resources online. >Your McGilvray connections to McFadyen and McArthur are on my site. > >Regards > >Charles > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information >about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm >

First, a 'Hello' to my Islay mailing list friends - I have been off the list for a couple of years (partly because the list was so active I could not keep up with the volume!) but am now glad to be back. Recently I reviewed all of the wonderful data that has been extracted on the Islay OPRs, censuses, civil registrations, etc. and posted on Steve Gillespie and Ted Larsen's sites. I realized that, starting with my own OPR extracts on the McGillivrays, I could begin to construct family trees of the McGillivray families on Islay. I have now posted the results in a new WorldConnect project called 'McGillivrays of Islay' at: http://wc.rootsweb.com/~islaymcgillivray/ There is still work to do, but most of the information is uploaded. There are over 100 families and 500 individuals (though some of the individuals are duplicates, e.g. both a parent and a child but I don't have the information to link them). I still have some strays in the records, but for example I have postively identified 70% of the McGillivrays in the 1841 census (with a few more tentatively matched). Of course, the challenge is to link families across generations. I know from experience that often the clue is overseas, not in the Islay records (e.g. a death registration that gives both the spouse and the parents). Please, anyone with a McGillivray in their Islay trees, check out the database and let me know if you have any more information to add about your family. Russ McGillivray Caledon, Ontario

Dear List I am after some help please. One of my grannies, Isabella Torrie, married John Livingston 26 Aug 1847, she died 7 Nov 1906 supposedly aged 75 years. Her parents were George Torrie and Catherine MacEachern. I think, George's parents were Archibald Torrie and Jessie McFarlane and Catherine's were Archibald McEachern and Ann Macindeor. Children of George and Catherine - Isabella (mine), Catherine, Archibald, Jean, Nancy, James and possibly Robert (he appears to have two fathers George and Arthur). Does this sound familiar to anyone please? I have a great deal of information on the Torries (various spelling) but can't link very much. I still can't work out when Isabella was born, the date seems to change with every piece of information I have. I can't find any brothers or sisters for George, have I got the right parents for him - going cross-eyed here trying to work them all out. I am also another lurker - was going to suggest we maybe change the name to troll (cos we troll the records hoping to find that elusive rellie!) but don't trolls have an abundance of facial hair and wee stumpy legs? Maybe we could have a competition to find a name for all of us who mostly just read and the first prize could be a framed photo of our leader Ted Larson? Any help on my Torries would be greatly appreciated. regards Karen in Perth, Australia

Your Torrie Marriages TORRIE, Ann MACCALMAN, Duncan 26 Aug 1869 TORRIE, George MACEACHERN, Kate KILCHOMAN TORRIE, James TURNER, Mary Ann 23 Dec 1858 TORRIE, George MCEACHERN, Catherine KILCHOMAN TORRIE, Janet MCEACHERN, Roderick 17 Jun 1869 TORRIE, George MACEACHERN, Kate KILCHOMAN TORRIE, Janet MCVORRAN, Archibald 10 Feb 1859 TORRIE, George MCEACHERN, Catherine KILCHOMAN TORRIE, Robert MCMILLAN, Ann 2 Feb 1860 TORRIE, George MCEACHERN, Catharine KILCHOMAN Regards Charles

Have just enjoyed reading of a member who confesses to being a lurker on one site. Well I, too, must join her. I am interested in all of the name MacArthur, McArthur, McArtor, etc., and would appreciate any clues or stories of those families. Thank you. Aye, Bob McArtor, Clan Arthur Scrivener

Hi Karen Come on in and sit yourself down. Welcome. I'm not connected to your family lines but it's nice to meet you. I agree about the term "lurkers" - sounds indecent. My suggestion is "seekers" but to be frank, I wish all who have any Islay connections would be members and would post their family interests. The members all have connections to other Islay families generally through marriage, many of us have accumulated resource information some as a result of personal visits to Islay, and most of us will help anyone even if not connected. If a person doesn't want individual posts from the list, it can be received in Digest format. I cannot see a reason for not being a member. One of the advantages of being a member of a list is that many listmasters, including our Ted, add little goodies (links) at the bottom of posts that reach your inbox. If you click on the link on your post, go to "Index" and then click on Ted's link you will see Births (and other gems) - there you will find siblings for George. (Note: with George's entry, the mother's surname is "Forrie") I do have a suggestion to possibly make your searches more fruitful - make sure your subject reflects all possible avenues of information. For example you will see I've changed your subject line to include Livingston, McEachern, McFarlane and McIndeor. Grabbing the attention of folks who are searching these family lines might lead to more info on your direct family line. Welcome aboard. Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Tregenza" <cuzkaz@gmail.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 5:06 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Request for help with Torrie family Dear List I am after some help please. One of my grannies, Isabella Torrie, married John Livingston 26 Aug 1847, she died 7 Nov 1906 supposedly aged 75 years. Her parents were George Torrie and Catherine MacEachern. I think, George's parents were Archibald Torrie and Jessie McFarlane and Catherine's were Archibald McEachern and Ann Macindeor. Children of George and Catherine - Isabella (mine), Catherine, Archibald, Jean, Nancy, James and possibly Robert (he appears to have two fathers George and Arthur). Does this sound familiar to anyone please? I have a great deal of information on the Torries (various spelling) but can't link very much. I still can't work out when Isabella was born, the date seems to change with every piece of information I have. I can't find any brothers or sisters for George, have I got the right parents for him - going cross-eyed here trying to work them all out. I am also another lurker - was going to suggest we maybe change the name to troll (cos we troll the records hoping to find that elusive rellie!) but don't trolls have an abundance of facial hair and wee stumpy legs? Maybe we could have a competition to find a name for all of us who mostly just read and the first prize could be a framed photo of our leader Ted Larson? Any help on my Torries would be greatly appreciated. regards Karen in Perth, Australia ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the Virtual Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm

Or if you go to http://www.nzetc.org/projects/golder/resource/maido.html you can get the "the maid of the loch music" Hugh........... All the best. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Sinclair" <tonisinclair@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:43 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] "The Maid of Islay" > Hi friends, > I recently picked up an old book called"The Songs of Scotland" Royal > edition, dated 1877. In it I found a song called "The Maid of Islay", no > composer's name, but it has both the music and the lyrics. I have no idea > how old the song really is,but its lyrics are very poetic and romantic; > definitely not about the steamship by that name. > > If any of you are musical, and would like a copy of it to play yourself, > please contact me off-list with your mailing address (tonisinclair"at" > hotmail.com), and I'll send it to you. > > Toni > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen > Technology > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Click on this link for information on others researching the same families > as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ > > >

Hi friends, I recently picked up an old book called"The Songs of Scotland" Royal edition, dated 1877. In it I found a song called "The Maid of Islay", no composer's name, but it has both the music and the lyrics. I have no idea how old the song really is,but its lyrics are very poetic and romantic; definitely not about the steamship by that name. If any of you are musical, and would like a copy of it to play yourself, please contact me off-list with your mailing address (tonisinclair"at" hotmail.com), and I'll send it to you. Toni _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Hi Toni, Yes you are correct I typed Duncan when it should have been Donald. I am a descendant of Flora who married Alexander Douglas in 1830 and later married John Morrison in 1940. Can't find a death record for Alexander Douglas. Flora's daughter Catherine Morrison went on to marry her cousin Neil Sinclair, son of Donald Sinclair and Elizabeth Ferguson in 1882. Lost track of them after that. Appreciate your reply. Ina --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Hi Brenda, Yes, thanks to our friendly list administrator, Ted Larson, it's on his website: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/tenantlist1799/ which I believe was transcribed from the microfilmed copy of the list. It is also in Freda Ramsay's book "The Daybook of Daniel Campbell of Shawfield", which she transcribed from the original list. They don't match exactly, so if there is some discrepancy I'll be happy to check the book for you. Toni >From: Brenda Cameron <bbcameron@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: Brenda Cameron <bbcameron@earthlink.net> >To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] 1799 Tenants List >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:10:25 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > >Toni, > >Is the 1799 Tenants List online? If so, where is it found? > >B. Cameron > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: >HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Thanks John, It makes more sense now. John Murdoch (a temperance many himself) made such a fuss over not being able to attend his friend, Colin Hay's, funeral. I thought perhaps he had gone to Australia, but returned to Scotland. I didn't realize he had taken over Ardbeg. Toni >From: "John Gillies" <john.gillies@bigpond.com> >Reply-To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Johnstons of Laphroaig >Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:48:06 +1100 > >Toni, > >I'm sorry if I was not clear. What I meant was that Colin Hay, who was one >of the trustees of Dugald Johnston's will, took over from the MacDougall >family in the 1850s. I didn't mean to imply that either Colin or the >MacDougall family came to Australia. > >John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Toni Sinclair" <tonisinclair@hotmail.com> >To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:19 AM >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Johnstons of Laphroaig > > > > John Gillies, > > You're reply to Sheila confuses me a bit: > > > > "As to Ardbeg - it occured to me there may be a connection. One of the > > trustees of Dugald's will was Colin Hay of Ardbeg - although he came >after > > the McDougalls." > > > > Do you mean that Colin Hay came to Australia after the McDougalls? In >the > > autobiography of John Murdoch, he writes about the death of his great > > friend, Colin Hay of Ardbeg, who died on the 10th of February, 1899 at >the > > Bridge of Allan, age 71. > > > > Toni > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: SKronen266@aol.com > > > To: john.gillies@bigpond.com ; SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Johnstons of Laphroaig > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > Yes, Alexander Johnston went to Australia in 1837. Information >which >I > > >received from Lindsay (Lin) Johnston says that he left Greenock 23 July > > >1837 and arrived Australia 3 Dec. 1837 (On Ship "Portland"). The > > >"founder" Alexander may be two generations back from this Alexander >(whose > > >parents were Alexander Johnston/Mary Graham) . Information is murky >for > > >back then. > > > > > > I know very little about the Ardbeg Distillery. The book Scotch >and > > >Water by Neil Wilson mentions Duncan McDougall, his son John >McDougall, > > >and John's children Alexander Mcdougall (d. 1853), Margaret McDougall >and > > >Flora McDougall. I don't know where I got it from, but I have a note >that > > >Alice McDougall was born at Oa. > > > > > > Sheila in Belleville, Illinois, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 02/07/2006 9:47:29 AM, john.gillies@bigpond.com > > >writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sheila, > > > > > > Thank you for the information on Grace et al. Will keep digging >and > > >perhaps find something. I am descended from Jane Johnston - she was a > > >paternal g grand mother. > > > > > > A few more questions for you. I thought at Alexander Johnston who > > >started Laphroaig with his brother Donald, had died in 1836. But is >seems > > >he came to Australia around 1837. Is this correct or am I misreading > > >things? > > > > > > Were Isabella and Alice in any way related to the MacDougall >family > > >that ran Ardbeg Distillery from 1798? > > > > > > Thanks also to everyone who took time and interest to reply to my > > >query. > > > > > > John Gillies (Sydney) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > > >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and >outbound > > e-mail and attachments. > > >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt >p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > > first two months FREE*. > > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >Click on this link for information on others researching the same families >as you HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/researchers/ > _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Toni, I'm sorry if I was not clear. What I meant was that Colin Hay, who was one of the trustees of Dugald Johnston's will, took over from the MacDougall family in the 1850s. I didn't mean to imply that either Colin or the MacDougall family came to Australia. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Sinclair" <tonisinclair@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Johnstons of Laphroaig > John Gillies, > You're reply to Sheila confuses me a bit: > > "As to Ardbeg - it occured to me there may be a connection. One of the > trustees of Dugald's will was Colin Hay of Ardbeg - although he came after > the McDougalls." > > Do you mean that Colin Hay came to Australia after the McDougalls? In the > autobiography of John Murdoch, he writes about the death of his great > friend, Colin Hay of Ardbeg, who died on the 10th of February, 1899 at the > Bridge of Allan, age 71. > > Toni > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: SKronen266@aol.com > > To: john.gillies@bigpond.com ; SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Johnstons of Laphroaig > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > Yes, Alexander Johnston went to Australia in 1837. Information which I > >received from Lindsay (Lin) Johnston says that he left Greenock 23 July > >1837 and arrived Australia 3 Dec. 1837 (On Ship "Portland"). The > >"founder" Alexander may be two generations back from this Alexander (whose > >parents were Alexander Johnston/Mary Graham) . Information is murky for > >back then. > > > > I know very little about the Ardbeg Distillery. The book Scotch and > >Water by Neil Wilson mentions Duncan McDougall, his son John McDougall, > >and John's children Alexander Mcdougall (d. 1853), Margaret McDougall and > >Flora McDougall. I don't know where I got it from, but I have a note that > >Alice McDougall was born at Oa. > > > > Sheila in Belleville, Illinois, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 02/07/2006 9:47:29 AM, john.gillies@bigpond.com > >writes: > > > > > > > > Hello Sheila, > > > > Thank you for the information on Grace et al. Will keep digging and > >perhaps find something. I am descended from Jane Johnston - she was a > >paternal g grand mother. > > > > A few more questions for you. I thought at Alexander Johnston who > >started Laphroaig with his brother Donald, had died in 1836. But is seems > >he came to Australia around 1837. Is this correct or am I misreading > >things? > > > > Were Isabella and Alice in any way related to the MacDougall family > >that ran Ardbeg Distillery from 1798? > > > > Thanks also to everyone who took time and interest to reply to my > >query. > > > > John Gillies (Sydney) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound > e-mail and attachments. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > >